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Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by bjbukzy(m): 11:04am On Jul 10, 2016 |
one of the most brilliant article i ve read in a while, the man addressed the issues with some very good key points. Look at the rapid development that happened in UAE,Norway,Saudi Arabia. Even the likes of Iraq, and Libya developed their military strength with the revenue derived from oil between 1999-2013 but what can Nigeria boast of? Two years after a crash in oil market we r about experiencing a recession due to inadequate foreign reserve(where is the money??) and a private sector overdependent on govt money. 1 Like |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by duni04(m): 11:08am On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:You're not making sense atall. What is wrong with the current system we practise where states have been given plenty of powers with legal backup to run their affairs. Is that not decentralisation? What we should preach and emphasise is financial innovation and creativity from the states and less reliance in the centre for handouts. I think the current government is moving in the right direction with this. The newly introduced Budget Support Facility from the ministry of finance has spelt out the agenda for states to assume financial autonomy. For instance states that fail to increase their Internally generated revenue will not get anymore handouts from Abuja. Also States that fail to publish their accounts and migrate their account to a state TSA will get no support from the centre. What we need is for the resources accruing to this country to trickle down to the smallest, lowest and most vulnerable people in this country, not this lame talk of restructuring. With greater accountability and less corruption, this money will definitely trickle down. Proponents of this restructuring and this 2014 conference report are politicians who stand to gain from the new political offices that this nonsense restructuring will create. 1 Like |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 11:21am On Jul 10, 2016 |
duni04: If someone comes and takes your salary and then gives you 13% to spend on upkeep would you not find that odd? Decentralized means decentralized - you cannot have a centralized budget, centralized resource management and then claim that is not unitary. The centre is the problem - they requisition from states that have to give to those that produce nothing. If the FG was paid taxes or royalties from the revenue of the productive states instead of taking the whole cake and giving it to those that do nothing then it would force states to create an enabling environment for businesses. As things are some states have no reason to do so. What you are advocating is akin to a man having 1000 children and being expected to feed, read to and nurture all of them successfully. Smaller units are more manageable and practical. You say that I am not making sense but it is you who has failed to argue logically. You ask what is wrong with the current system? Everyone can see that it leads to inefficiency and gross waste. There is no where on earth that is as diverse and resource laden as Nigeria where the central government has managed the resources adeptly. Let go of this silly FG program and ensure that the states are creating the majority of their budget internally. If you go to states such as Anambra, Akwa Ibom, Lagos and Cross River you will see that states (and private investors) are better than the FG when it comes to getting projects done. What purpose are the 36 states if 27 (at least) rely on the resources of 9? |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by Efikman(m): 11:31am On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:Gbam. You have said it all. Nothing more to add. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by duni04(m): 11:37am On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:I think the very valid question now is what did Bayelsa state do it it's share of the Federal money when it's budget averaged 200billion-300billion 2/3 years ago? With a population <1million? How about Akwa Ibom with an average of N400billiin between 2011 and 2014? With a similar population demographic? You can't go from point A to point z. Let's first ask what the problem is. Is it that the money accruing to the Niger delta states is too small and we need to increase it? If yes can you please justify the increase by accounting for the billions you already have. Or is it a problem of mismanagement? You keep shouting "the current system is faulty,restrcture Nigeria", but you've failed to recognise that the current system isn't working because of non accountability and corruption. Not because of the lack of money or resources but of the mismanagement of what we have. 3 Likes |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by IBROHIM: 11:39am On Jul 10, 2016 |
The Iboooos abi na igboooos are the problem we have in this country! They support anything corrupt as long as it favours them! No wonder they are so into armed robbery, kidnapping, forgery, fraud, ritual, drug pushing counterfeiting, arms dealing to mention but a few!!!! |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 11:50am On Jul 10, 2016 |
duni04: Akwa Ibom has done a lot with the money it has received. That is a state with a genuine plan. Clearly you've never been there. They have the best road network in the nation. It's one of the few places in Nigeria that generates and has the capability to distribute sufficient power for the needs of the people and businesses there. The reason it cannot currently is because of the retarded system of 'sharing' that some people in Nigeria insist on. Bayelsa was beginning from a very low point but they have been working to get up to speed. The reason why they've had so much to do is as a result of the foolish system of centralization that meant that places such as Bayelsa and Akwa Ibom that generate the revenue that is squandered elsewhere, were neglected. Now that they have the money from their own resources to utilize they are flying past other states, Akwa Ibom especially. Also there are over 6 million people in Akwa Ibom. And there were 2 million in Bayelsa ten years ago, that number will have risen significantly since. Please don't make up lies. The real tragedy is the states that do not have oil but have literacy rates of below 50%. The question should instead be asked of Katsina, Taraba, Sokoto, Borno, Kebii - what are they doing to generate revenue? Why are the not taking advantage of the wealth beneath their feet? Lagos is thriving now because it generates more of its own revenue? Why is Kano floundering? Why is the north east in a mess? As crooked as the states may be, none are as crooked as the FG. It was the FG from which Nigeria labored under a unitary system as imposed by the foolish military who had no clue how to manage anything. Smaller units are more manageable and more likely to be held to account. Devolve more powers to the states, including revenue generation, power generation, mineral exploration and you will see many states rise. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by magzey: 11:51am On Jul 10, 2016 |
GBAM!!! The truth is Bitter as OLOMO bittres mr Magaji said it all ranging from OBJ regime to GEJ regime the money stollen by ex- governors and ministers plus including L.G chairmen.The money for tranform NIGER DELTA region and rebuilt North east .CHAI!!! God Pls intervene and make our country again
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Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by Nobody: 11:58am On Jul 10, 2016 |
techincubator: What about those who are brothers with thieves like AishaHaliburton, Burutai, Amaechi, Fashole, Saraki etc?? |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by duni04(m): 12:10pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:Bros I'm not holding forth for anyone. The same reason the northern states can't show any major developmental strides inspite of all the resources that have accrued to them is that same reason some southern states cannot show much too. The problem is mismanagement. Let's use panadol to treat headaches not cancer. Restructuring.Nigeria along the lines people have suggested and in the midst of all this corruption will bring us back to the same point. The problem is that money is not trickling down. Let us make the money trickle down by eliminating waste, corruption an d mismanagement. Simple and straightforward! No need for pulling down the house to install a new TV set. That's just ridiculous. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 12:16pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
duni04: If the house is built without a solid foundation then it will need to be pulled down before it crushes everyone who lives there. The problem with Nigeria is its structure, the constitution was drawn up by the military - the same military who ran Nigeria into the ground over two decades. That same military imposed the first generation of state governors who 'mismanaged' resources, men like Odili, Amaechi, Ibori and Alamieyeseigha. They were not accountable to the people or their environment because it was the military establishment who put them in power. That was the FG choosing evil over the needs of the people. You are now here arguing that the same FG should be given more control over the needs of Nigerians when there are states proving that the can do a better job. Where is the logic in that sentiment? There should be no more FG allocation as it currently is, let the states run their own affairs. The FG can be paid a royalty and use that money for national security etc. but the status quo is a recipe for disaster. You do not run large corporations without delegating responsibility. The CEO does not purchase the toilet paper, make food purchases, interview every new hire and then go out and talk to shareholders and investigate new business propositions. To expect Nigeria to be run in such a manner and not expect confusion and mess is foolish. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by duni04(m): 12:26pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:There u go again! The problem is accountability oga! Let's have transparent budgeting! Let's privitise the remaining public enterprises we have (NRC, TCN, etc), let's scrap security votes, let's give state houses of assembly more powers to hold the governors accountable. We can as well give states more control over their policing. Very simple and straightforward solutions. Not building castles the sky and tearing the country down in the name of restructuring. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 12:28pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
IBROHIM: Abacha was Igbo? Babangida is Igbo? Obasanjo is Igbo? Turai Yar'adua is Igbo? Saraki is Igbo? Dasuki? Tinubu is an Igboman? |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by TheNonce: 12:36pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
No be "alheri papa" i dey see so? Anyway him pikin sweet sha so make I free am! |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 12:40pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
duni04: No one is talking about 'tearing down'. But you need to restructure before it falls down. Larger organizations are very difficult to police. When they are too powerful they are less likely to be held to account. This was the problem with many of the American and European banks when they were found to be acting fraudulently. Because of their size and scope no one wants to ensure that face justice for their misdeeds. As to our suggestion for the states, you cannot give more responsibility whilst not granting more privileges. That is akin to slavery, why would anyone willingly ascent to gifting the FG (and feckless states) their wealth when they have no say over how that wealth is used? If states are to be given the freedom to create their own police forces (which they should) then they should be given the right to keep the revenue generated on their soil or from their coast. As things are states in the south such as Lagos, Anambra and AKS are having to purcase vehicles for the police because the FG is incompetent. What has the FG done to show that it should be trusted with more money? Have you travelled on a good FG road lately? Even the roads built by the NDDC are superior. The best roads in the nation outside of Abuja, are those in Calabar and Akwa Ibom. This is why I am an advocate of state and regional powers. FG roads in the south are overwhelmingly poor but the state governments seem to manage to build and maintain decent roads - what does that tell you about the FG? 1 Like |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by duni04(m): 12:52pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:At least we agree on the state police. State policing was a campaign promise of the APC. We should tackle them in this. Federal roads are poor in Nigeria because of corruption and lack of maintenance. The states you mentioned have good roads that were built <10 years ago. Most Federal roads were built ages ago and have scarcely been maintained. Another problem we can attribute to corruption because I know contracts would have been awarded for them. We just need oversight over these people maintaining our resources in trust for us. Alot of money has gone down the drain chasing "silver bullet" and "one word" solutions (restructuring) to the very simple problems plaguing us. We spent billions on the 2014 national conference. It was a serious waste. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 1:06pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
duni04: The national conference had some good ideas and some stupid ones but it was important that those who had grievances had their say. Nigeria could have used the good ideas to better the country, instead someone decided that everything, good ideas included, should be ignored... What else has the FG wasted money on chasing one word solutions? Isn't the problem here the overbearing power of the FG itself? The roads in the states that I've mentioned are in areas that require maintenance because of the climate and topography and receive the required care. It is the FG roads in these areas that receive inadequate attention because the FG has too much to handle. Let the states or the regions deal with their own roads. Let the states or the regions deal with their own power issues. Structure is not a silver bullet solution, it puts a people, nation or individual on a path where they are more likely to succeed. You cannot expect things to go well as they are currently are. Nigeria doesn't even know how many people are within its borders because of the current system. How can such a system be of any benefit? Do you honestly feel that the Nigerian Constitution is a sensible document? That it provides a good framework for national success? You mention 'corruption' without addressing the cause - why is it so easy to misuse FG money? When people have to earn money they are less likely to waste it, it is when that money is free that it will be wasted. Do you realize how much wealth is being left underground in Nigeria because no one wants to invest in mining as the law (structure) currently is? There are minerals left in the ground because for whatever silly reason in order to mine in Anambra you need permission from the FG. You then pay taxes to the FG, not the state government. Why are taxes going to the FG instead of the FG when the resources are within the borders of that state? This is the nonsense that I'm talking about that continues to hamper development. You do not appear to understand the importance of a framework, of enforceable laws that are logical yet liberal in nature. A nation needs a constitution written by rational, intelligent beings that sets the foundation. From there rational laws that pertain to private enterprise can be drawn up that will allow businesses to operate in a responsible manner, with the government ensuring that the law is followed. As things stand that is not the case. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by rommyth(m): 1:09pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
GEJmustGO:why was tinubu not arraigned by jonathan wen d guy was in opposition? Y not sue him to court if u av d evidences that he stole? |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by abdulkabirO(m): 1:15pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen: Sorry ehn,u don't need reply,u guys always want to argue,u better begin to beg the northerners to forgive u ppl,without them we don't have a Nigeria,OK?u ppl can a!ways farm on ur oil land now and see how it looks like, |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by DRISKLEF(m): 1:17pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:Bravo!. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 1:19pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
abdulkabirO: There are people starving in IDP camps in the north and you want to talk about farming. You are a clown. No one will beg the northerners for anything because it is they who send their children out to beg, rather than raise them. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by GEJmustGO(f): 1:23pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
rommyth:this are fact pls don't dispute them. Fight and not support coruption |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by duni04(m): 1:38pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen:I totally disagree with you. You should read the mining act of 2007. It absolutely guaranties rights of the host communities to their resources and to a clean environment. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 1:44pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
duni04: You haven't read the Act, you're typing for the sake of typing. In summary: All lands in which minerals have been found in commercial quantities shall from the commencement of the Act be acquired by the Federal Government in accordance with the Land Use Act. http://www.vertic.org/media/National%20Legislation/Nigeria/NG_MIinerals_Mining_Act_2007.pdf Which is precisely what I said. Mining companies need to get permission from Abuja to mine in Benue/Anambra/Imo/Kebbi/Osun - where is the logic in one organization in Abuja being granted power over industry in the far reaches of Nigeria? The act makes constant reference to 'the Minster'. Does that sound like a functional, pragmatic system to you? Why is so much power vested in one person in Abuja? You said that you 'disagree'. The truth is that you aren't disagreeing with me but with facts and logic. In short you disagree with the truth. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mu2sa2: 2:00pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
sweetgala:Very good insight. Nigeria is full of hypocrites. It is obvious that it is not the number of states that is the issue, but corruption and mismanagement. Imagine someone saying we should go back to the problematic regionalism! Those mouthing resource control are just brainless, because the thieves pocketing 13% derivation now will simply do the same with 100%. If today you stop the private impoundment of public money you are going to see a big difference. Sadly, the thieves have brainwashed so many and diverted attention away from their massive looting of the treasury. A typical Ijaw, for example, is made to believe that his/her region is mired in dehumanizing poverty because of lack of so-called resource control! And the brain washers are busy looting billions without caring a hoot about developing the region. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by abdulkabirO(m): 2:17pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen: Well,I dont really know if the brought u guys up with this harsh and cruel way of thinking,don't forget ppl beg in IBO land too,begging is a common thing amongst many tribes,the north have it the most,no doubt,but font forget only the northerners rule this country,OK who ever they wants becones President, when they wanted GEJ in 2011 he entered,when the wwany him out in 2015,they threw him out,so if u abuse them till tomorrow, they rule u still |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mmsen: 2:21pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
abdulkabirO: I ask a simple question - why are Northerners dying of starvation if there are productive farms in the region? Northerners run Nigeria but can't run the North? Is that good for Nigeria? Maybe you should focus on the North first before running to Abuja to mess things up. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by brojoshua: 2:21pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
They stole so much because almost all of us in Nigeria are corrupt, so stealing, looting and corruption succeeded in Nigeria and among Nigerians because almost all of us in Nigeria are corrupt. You know corrupt people don't usually and willingly challenge or fight corruption. Looters will not fight looting and almost all will looking for their own ways of sharing from the loots or seeking their own ways to join the looting. So pathetic for Africa 1 Like |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by prof12(m): 3:15pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
adehab: You call what he said trash? For him to support the fight against corruption and to call for the jailing of those found guilty. God almighty will trash the likes of you in this country. |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by Kenmoris22: 3:38pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
obembet:in that case we have to start cleansing from top politicians then others will take a lead cause they are the major problem of Nigeria |
Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by prof12(m): 3:47pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
mmsen: Do you want it to be managed from your village? My guy you speeeeww trash nicely.
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Re: "Why Past Governors, Ministers Stole So Much" - James Bawa Magaji by mcversatile(m): 3:52pm On Jul 10, 2016 |
What difference can he make if he enters there. D same D same people in diff shapes and sizes. |
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