nemesis2u:
British warships 'so noisy' Russian submarines can hear them 100 miles away, investigation finds
Laura Hughes, political correspondent
5 FEBRUARY 2017 • 11:15AM


Britain's ability to defend itself against a major military attack has been called into question after an investigation found Navy warships are so loud they can be heard 100 miles away by Russian submarines.

Rear Admiral Chris Parry, a former director of operational capability for the Ministry of Defence, said the £1 billion a piece Type 45 destroyers are “as noisy as hell” and sound like "a box of spanners" underwater.

It comes amid warnings that years of defence cuts and expensive procurement contracts with a small number of large defence firms, has the left the military with an "existential minimum" amount of equipment.

The Ministry of Defence spent £3.5bn on each of the Army's Ajax tanks, but they are unable to fit on board transport aircraft without needing to be dismantled, according to an investigation by the Sunday Times.

A further £1.2 billion was spent on 54 Watchkeeper reconnaissance drones, which haven’t entered frontline service for 12 years.

General Sir Richard Barrons, a former commander of Joint Forces Command, has called on the Government to "re-bench" the armed forces.

He said: "You are dealing with a legacy of iterative hollowing out, which has reached a point where the frog has boiled."

Long-rumoured problems with the Navy’s fleet of six Type 45 destroyers that left them total powerless were confirmed early this year.

The Ministry of Defence issued a statement admitting “reliability issues” had affected the ships and said that it was considering upgrades to the vessels to make them more reliable.

The warships were originally designed to work in the cool waters of the North Atlantic, but in hotter climates, the jet engines have experienced problems with heat, causing them to shut down.

Admiral Parry said: “We used to put little wooden wedges between the hatchclips and the hatches in my destroyer to stop them rattling so we could keep the noise down."

“We have forgotten all about it — it’s crazy. Noise suppression has been probably the biggest dirty secret since the end of the Cold War that people have been cheerfully ignoring.”

The Ministry of Defence ordered 54 Watchkeeper reconnaissance drones in 2005 in an £847m deal to provide surveillance and reconnaissance for troops.

The drones can beam back high definition images as they fly up to 16,000ft above the battlefield, but technical and safety delays have meant that apart from a brief stint in Afghanistan, the aircraft will not enter full service until this year.

An MOD spokesperson said: "Britain's defence budget is the biggest in Europe and it is growing every year, we are investing £178 billion as the UK steps up globally.

"We are focused on maintaining an affordable programme and getting the best value for the taxpayer to deliver the cutting-edge kit our Armed Forces need to keep Britain safe."

tdayof:
nemesis2u, do you guys have any ship ready for export? What class and price?
Well armed ships alone please.

nemesis2u:


the kamorta ASW corvette actually its tonnage is that of a frigate . it was selected as the 1st choice for the Philippines frigate requirement but lost to the Koreans due to financial reasons .

weapons and sensors can be fitted as required.

there is saryu OPV whose tonnage is actually larger for her class.

shivalik class

etc

there is no such things as export ready ships , it depends on the governments and the shipyards, they can export any ship with suitable modifications as per requirements provided they own the IPRs.

there is the Next Generation Missile Vessels (NGMVs) anti-surface warfare Corvettes to be armed with brahmos etc.
if any govt is smart and looks to save money they can join in its development.

but these corvettes will be expensive as they r state of the art and their sensors and weapons also cost a heft sum.
1 single brahmos costs 3+ million dollars.

nemesis2u:


i did not write it , i copy pasted it from their news site .

the Britishers especially their media prominently the BBC , guardian etc still have a colonial mindset where they always downplay, make fun of their their erstwhile colonies . its high time they smelled their own poo. that they r slipping back kind of little by little .

tdayof:


Bia, carry your frigate dey go. 3+ mill USD for a missile? Can't we use different missile systems on it?
Chinese, Denel, etc?

tdayof:


Bia, carry your frigate dey go. 3+ mill USD for a missile? Can't we use different missile systems on it?
Chinese, Denel, etc?

nemesis2u:



any nation weaponry will do provided it is technically feasible,
but integrating chinese will be impossible due to security reasons .

also it is impossible to generalize things with naval ships.

eg.

chinese/pakistan AZMAT class FAC have eight C-802 ASHMs

now people dont ask the question is how will the targets be detected and also from where will the initial targeting data arrive from in order for the missiles to get close to their targets so as to get a positive target lock from the missile sensors itself .

these crafts will stay close to the coastline and take off the board targeting data from coastal radars and MPAs in order to calculate the fire solutions and launch their missiles . without external help these ships will have to come very close to targets near to 40-50 km where the onboard sensors can get a lock . or the missiles will be launched in "maddog" format will very low kill probabilty.
either way independent survability/effectiveness is low due to lack of on board sensors.

my point being putting missiles on a ship does not make it powerful , there has to be a fine balance between sensors and weapons and the operational requirements/capacity inorder to make a ship powerful.

u can go the same way as the Algerians chinese hull and weapons and western sensors
@chkil will be able to provide more details.

Myanmar however in their stealth frigate designed with Indian help and with indian sensors has chinese weapons / sensors .

as i said nothing can be said it depends on the governments .

tdayof:


Yes. That's what I'm saying. Can we design our ships and have their avionics, sensors ,weapons and others integrated to be from India?
Moreover seems your avionics , weapons are more expensive compared to those from the west.

tdayof:


Bia, carry your frigate dey go. 3+ mill USD for a missile? Can't we use different missile systems on it?
Chinese, Denel, etc?

nemesis2u:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHHAMnDpZuo

new headache for terrorism affected countries

tdayof:

Large units should start jamming frequencies used by DJI. At least the Quadcopter won't get close.

nemesis2u:


indiscriminate use against civilians ?

cant place jammers everywhere

tdayof:

Reason why I said large units. Can be included among a convoy.

DJI doesn't operate on same frequency band with mobile phones so it won't affect the civilians.

tdayof:
Mexican marines use helicopter gunship to kill alleged cartel leader and members


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