nemesis2u:


us/pakistan occupying india ? that would have been a disaster for the world , it was more like India ending up occupying Pakistan
the pakistanis/us were asking for Chinese help , but they refused

india already repaid russia/soviet union for its help via lots of dollars

and let me tell u something Russia and the west are never gonna engage directly , it will be proxies that is the failed/weak states who will fight for them , because outside of the usual rhetoric their main interest is political and economic interests for themselves only .
how difficult it is to understand that , because if the 2 powers fight what will be left to rule over ?

both are too smart , they will supply the money and ammo but will never use it themselves .
look at ukraine did US engage russia directly all it did was posturing and supply.
look at syria did russia engage US directly all it did/ is doing is strengthening its stakes and keeping up the supply.

do u know the level of cooperation between us and russia at the deepest levels in-spite of the baloney and play acting in public ?

let me tell u US operates signit/intelligence stations in china with active chinese cooperation close to the russian border , russia knows it , what does it do, nothing , does russia go complaining to china no ! why ?
because everybody is looking after their own interests , there are no permanent friends within nations, and every body knows expect for people like us

u want to exchange jobs with me ?

tell me something. so d US has a listening post in China.

any source or link

giles14:
tell me something. so d US has a listening post in China.

any source or link

surprising isnt it ?
not a but more than one ,
but the chinese have full control over them.

as for source u will have to believe me blindly

or try ur luck with google maybe something will pop u if ur lucky.

ever been to Mongolia ?

nemesis2u:


surprising isnt it ?
not a but more than one ,
but the chinese have full control over them.

as for source u will have to believe me blindly

or try ur luck with google maybe something will pop u if ur lucky.

ever been to Mongolia ?

Mongolia is not China.its a country on its own.

back to my watch ur back.

https://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160912/1045227613/india-pakistan-russia-weapons.html

giles14:
Mongolia is not China.its a country on its own.

back to my watch ur back.

https://m.sputniknews.com/military/20160912/1045227613/india-pakistan-russia-weapons.html

i posted Mongolia for a reason and obviously meant the country Mongolia, if i had mentioned inner Mongolia then u should have deduced china

lol the discussion is going nowhere , we always end back to square one

my final say is strategic relationship , weapons deal , political alignments etc are not done or based upon or influenced my media reports etc.
people in power don't even bother to read all these.

we shall talk again after Putins forth coming visit to India.

and i do watch my back, not against Russians but against my ex girlfriend
anyways thanks for the warning, i will keep u in my prayers

nemesis2u:


i posted Mongolia for a reason and obviously meant the country Mongolia, if i had mentioned inner Mongolia then u should have deduced china

lol the discussion is going nowhere , we always end back to square one

my final say is strategic relationship , weapons deal , political alignments etc are not done or based upon or influenced my media reports etc.
people in power don't even bother to read all these.

we shall talk again after Putins forth coming visit to India.

and i do watch my back, not against Russians but against my ex girlfriend
anyways thanks for the warning, i will keep u in my prayers

all d best pal

giles14:
all d best pal

thanks

are u studying or in job/business

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Vietnam made mobile 30mm Gatling gun

Vietnam anti aircraft gun mounted on a truck

nemesis2u:

thanks
are u studying or in job/business

NO
y do u ask

giles14:
NO

y do u ask

because u seem to be surfing all over the internet

the bharatkarnad blog u posted dont usually show up that easily in google search

nemesis2u:


because u seem to be surfing all over the internet

the bharatkarnad blog u posted dont usually show up that easily in google search

because my twitter handle n Facebook page are linked to so many news n research sites

Little Green men of the East. A publication recently describing them as providing the "facts on the ground".

Henry240:
Little Green men of the East. A publication recently describing them as providing the "facts on the ground".

dabai dabai

Henry240:
Little Green men of the East. A publication recently describing them as providing the "facts on the ground".

I can bet two internets that an instruction was headed down for a complete "profile" for the General who planned this op somewhere.

Who said paratroopers are the precursor utilized in their primary role.

The Five Deadliest Air Defense Missiles(WEAPONS OF WAR)

The use of ground-based missiles to engage planes and defend air space is a relatively recent phenomenon. First explored by Germany in World War II, all the major powers quickly raced to develop them in the postwar period. The first confirmed kill by a surface-to-air missile was in 1959.

The size and scope of surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, which restrict vehicle-mounted SAMs to standing armies, means that their use was restricted to conventional wars. As a result, SAM use has been generally infrequent, with the exception of the Arab-Israeli Wars, the Vietnam War, and other conflicts with conventional forces on both sides.


The rise of man-portable air defenses (MANPADS), shoulder-fired systems capable of engaging low-flying aircraft, has extended their use to guerrillas, terrorists, and other nonstate actors. These highly mobile, concealable missiles have been used to target both military and civilian aircraft, in war and peacetime. The proliferation of MANPADS is on a troubling uptick, as instability in Syria and Libya cause both to lose control of their missile arsenals.

There are two ways we could measure overall air defense missile lethality: by number of aircraft actually shot down, and by estimated effectiveness. For the purposes of this article, we’ll use both. Thanks to advances in electronics, missiles are always getting more effective and can defend against many different air-based threats, so it would be easy to load up the list with the latest and (theoretically) best systems. That, however, would neglect some older missiles that have proven effective in the past.

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SA-75 “Dvina” (NATO: SA-2 Guideline)

First mention on this list goes not to the most modern missile, but the longest lived. Designed in 1953, the SA-75 “Dvina” surface-to-air missile has been in continuous operation worldwide for more than fifty years.

Originally a fixed air-defense system to counter fast, high-altitude American bombers, the SA-2 was a mainstay of Voyska PVO, the Soviet Air Defense arm. A long, two-stage radar-guided missile, the SA-2 used the P-12 early warning radar (NATO name: “Spoon Rest”) and the RSN-75 “Fan Song” missile control radar. In 1959 the S-75 “Desna” mobile variant became operational, and an improved version, the S-75M “Volkov” was deployed in 1961. “Volkov” could engage targets from 7 to 43 kilometers to an altitude of 98,000 feet.

Exported by the Soviet Union, the SA-2 Guideline served in the vanguard of socialism from Cuba to Mongolia. The SA-2 participated in the Six-Day War, the Vietnam War, the Yom Kippur War, the Iran-Iraq War, the 1991 Gulf War, the Yugoslavian Civil War, and the War in Abkhazia. The SA-2 scored the first ever air defense missile kill, shooting down a Taiwanese RB-57D reconnaissance plane over China in 1959. A salvo of three SA-2s brought down CIA pilot Francis Gary Powers and his U-2 spy plane over Sverdlovsk, Russia in 1960.

The SA-2 formed the backbone of North Vietnam’s high and medium altitude air defense, where it was known as the “flying telephone pole” among American pilots. North Vietnam reported a staggering 5,800 SA-2 launches which downed a total of 205 American aircraft. In 1965 SA-2s scored one hit per fifteen launches; by 1972, due to American advances in tactics, electronic warfare and defensive systems, the ratio had worsened to one hit per fifty launches.

The SA-2 still serves in twenty countries, often modernized to extend service life. The system’s latest kill is thought to be in 1993, against a Russian Su-27 Flanker in the Abkhazia War. A half-century reign of effectiveness on the modern battlefield is no mean feat.

Below is a icture of a SA 75 Dvinna

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9K32 Strela (NATO: SA-7 Grail)

The SA-7 Grail is the AK-47 of air defense missiles: cheap, lightweight and prone to falling into the wrong hands. The first generation of Soviet man-portable air defense missiles (MANPADS), the SA-7 is a twenty-one-pound missile contained in a launcher the length and width of a rolled-up movie poster. Supersonic, the SA-7 is capable of a maximum speed of 1,260 miles an hour with a range of 14,750 feet.

The SA-7 was meant to provide air defense against low-flying NATO attack aircraft. It was liberally issued to frontline Soviet Army units: motor rifle (mechanized), air assault, naval infantry and engineer companies were all equipped with an SA-7 firing team. A NATO aircraft flying over a Soviet battalion would cross paths with as many as three SA-7s.

That sort of battlefield saturation was necessary because, like all first generation MANPADS, the SA-7 was relatively primitive. Egyptian troops during the 1969-1970 War of Attrition scored 36 hits out of 99 launches, including possibly the first MANPADS intercept ever of an Israeli A-4 Skyhawk. The missile’s small warhead meant most planes were only damaged, not shot down, and training and aircraft modifications dramatically lowered the missile’s effectiveness during the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

Like other first generation MANPADS, a major downside of the SA-7 was the infrared guidance system, which needed to lock onto the hot exhaust of an aircraft. The SA-7 was only capable of locking onto the tail of an aircraft as it was departing the battlefield—after it had expended its ordnance. The Afghan mujahedeen fighting Soviet occupation forces during the 1980s disliked the SA-7, claiming it would rather lock onto the sun than the exhaust of a jet or helicopter.

In addition to standing armies, the SA-7 has been employed by terrorist and insurgent groups around the world, from Syria to Northern Ireland and Spain. Rebel groups in Syria are reported to be armed with SA-7s captured from the regime, and at least one was launched at an Israeli helicopter over the Gaza Strip in 2012. During the Rhodesian Bush War, two Air Rhodesia airliners were shot down by rebels armed with SA-7s.

Below is a picture of a SA 7 Grail

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2K12 Kub (NATO: SA-6 Gainful)


A veteran of conflicts in Europe, Africa and the Middle East, the SA-6 Gainful came to prominence in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The SA-6 is a radar-guided missile mounted on a tracked launcher. The SA-6 has a remarkably large engagement envelope for a missile designed in the late 1950s, capable of intercepting aircraft at ranges from 2.5 to 15 miles, and from 164 to 45,000 feet.

The SA-6 became famous during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when Egypt invaded the Sinai Peninsula. The Egyptian military had up to 32 SA-6 batteries and used them to cover the advance of the Egyptian Second and Third Armies. A new system not previously encountered by the West, SA-6 radar emissions could not be detected by Israeli Air Force radar warning receivers.

The Israeli Air Force, caught unprepared by the Arab armies’ surprise attack, was unable to suppress enemy air defenses before going into action. In the first three days of war the IAF lost nearly fifty planes, most to the SA-6. The SA-6 was so effective that by the third day of the war the Israeli Air Force commander ordered aircraft to stay away from the Suez Canal unless absolutely necessary.

The IAF had assumed the role of “flying artillery” for the Israeli Army, and the SA-6 in many cases prevented Israeli ground forces from being supported by air. The SA-6 continued to be a threat until Egyptian air defenses were dismantled by a combination of air attack and the Israeli counteroffensive. By the end of the war the Israeli Air Force lost an estimated 40 F-4 Phantoms and A-4 Skyhawks to the SA-6 (not counting other missiles or anti-aircraft artillery) or about 14 percent of the IAF’s inventory of both planes.

The SA-6 has served in nearly thirty countries, and still serves with twenty-two. The threat the SA-6 poses to Western aircraft was diminished considerably after captured missiles were analyzed and countermeasures against them devised. The SA-6 has shot down two American F-16 Vipers, one over Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War and another over Bosnia in 1995. The SA-6’s most recent “kill” was in a friendly fire incident in Poland in 2003, when a Polish missile battery accidentally shot down a Polish Air Force Su-22 Fitter attack jet during exercises.


Below is a picture of a 2K12 Kub

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FIM-92 Stinger

The Stinger missile is typical of the second generation of MANPADS. The Stinger made its name in the mountains of Afghanistan, where it was highly effective against Soviet helicopters and aircraft, and its use may have shortened the war.

Like the SA-7, the Stinger was designed for American ground forces to defend themselves from enemy ground attack aircraft. Unlike the SA-7, the Stinger has an “all-aspect” engagement capability—that is, it can detect and launch against aircraft at all angles, not just from the rear. This finally gave American air defense teams the ability to shoot down an enemy aircraft before it made an attack run, or force an aircraft to abort a run.

Newer versions of the Stinger incorporate a dual-seeker operating in the infrared and ultraviolet bands. Infrared countermeasures that formerly worked to confuse infrared seeking missiles, such as flares, don’t work in the ultraviolet band. Stinger has a large warhead than previous generation missiles, making it more likely to actually down tactical aircraft instead of merely damage them.

The United States began covertly supplying the Afghan rebels with Stinger missiles starting in 1986. Five hundred handheld launchers and 1,000 individual missiles were handed out “like lollipops” to the mujahedeen, and the first alleged loss to Stingers was on September 25th, 1986 when an Mi-8MT Hip helicopter operating out of Jalalabad was shot down. The Soviet Union lost nearly 270 aircraft between 1986 and 1989.

Claims of the effectiveness of the Stinger in theater range from about 4 percent to 70 percent. Whatever the case, the Soviet Air Force is known to have changed tactics, and the Soviet Army was often deprived of close air support and constricted in its ability to conduct helicopter operations.

Below is a picture of a stinger

what happened to 2nd and 1st?

edit : waiting for 1st now

edit : no longer waiting

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MIM-104 Patriot

One of the most famous missiles in the world, the U.S. Army’s Patriot missile rose to notoriety during the 1991 Gulf War, when it was used to protect Coalition forces and Israeli population centers from Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles. Although lauded at the time as a great success, Patriot’s true success rate reportedly hovered in the single digits.

Since then, Patriot has been almost continuously improved and the result is a mature missile system capable of intercepting targets flying highly divergent flight profiles. Originally designed to defend only against aircraft, Patriot is now capable of engaging helicopters, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones. Against ballistic missiles, Patriot is employed to intercept warheads in the terminal descent phase.

Patriot development has branched into two missiles. A patriot battery can control both types, in order to cover a spectrum of threats. PAC-2/GEM is capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and to a lesser extent, theater ballistic missiles. It is deployed four to a launcher. PAC-2/GEM has a range of seventy kilometers to a maximum altitude of 84,000 feet.

PAC-3 MSE is designed strictly toward shooting down ballistic missiles. PAC-3 MSE is also smaller, and a launcher can carry twelve missiles instead of four. The missile has a range of thirty-five kilometers and a maximum altitude of 112,000 feet.

Patriot was a product of the 1970s-80s, a period when battlefield missile defense was not seriously discussed, and was designed purely to intercept aircraft. Over time, Patriot has proven surprisingly adaptable. Despite failures in the 1991 Gulf War, during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Patriot scored nine hits on nine Iraqi theater ballistic missiles.

nemesis2u:
what happened to 2nd and 1st?

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bidexiii:
1)


MIM-104 Patriot

One of the most famous missiles in the world, the U.S. Army’s Patriot missile rose to notoriety during the 1991 Gulf War, when it was used to protect Coalition forces and Israeli population centers from Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles. Although lauded at the time as a great success, Patriot’s true success rate reportedly hovered in the single digits.

Since then, Patriot has been almost continuously improved and the result is a mature missile system capable of intercepting targets flying highly divergent flight profiles. Originally designed to defend only against aircraft, Patriot is now capable of engaging helicopters, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones. Against ballistic missiles, Patriot is employed to intercept warheads in the terminal descent phase.

Patriot development has branched into two missiles. A patriot battery can control both types, in order to cover a spectrum of threats. PAC-2/GEM is capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and to a lesser extent, theater ballistic missiles. It is deployed four to a launcher. PAC-2/GEM has a range of seventy kilometers to a maximum altitude of 84,000 feet.

PAC-3 MSE is designed strictly toward shooting down ballistic missiles. PAC-3 MSE is also smaller, and a launcher can carry twelve missiles instead of four. The missile has a range of thirty-five kilometers and a maximum altitude of 112,000 feet.

Patriot was a product of the 1970s-80s, a period when battlefield missile defense was not seriously discussed, and was designed purely to intercept aircraft. Over time, Patriot has proven surprisingly adaptable. Despite failures in the 1991 Gulf War, during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Patriot scored nine hits on nine Iraqi theater ballistic missiles.

if d patriot deserves a place so also do d S300.


so for no 1 it will b PAC/S300

bidexiii:
1)


MIM-104 Patriot

One of the most famous missiles in the world, the U.S. Army’s Patriot missile rose to notoriety during the 1991 Gulf War, when it was used to protect Coalition forces and Israeli population centers from Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles. Although lauded at the time as a great success, Patriot’s true success rate reportedly hovered in the single digits.

Since then, Patriot has been almost continuously improved and the result is a mature missile system capable of intercepting targets flying highly divergent flight profiles. Originally designed to defend only against aircraft, Patriot is now capable of engaging helicopters, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones. Against ballistic missiles, Patriot is employed to intercept warheads in the terminal descent phase.

Patriot development has branched into two missiles. A patriot battery can control both types, in order to cover a spectrum of threats. PAC-2/GEM is capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and to a lesser extent, theater ballistic missiles. It is deployed four to a launcher. PAC-2/GEM has a range of seventy kilometers to a maximum altitude of 84,000 feet.

PAC-3 MSE is designed strictly toward shooting down ballistic missiles. PAC-3 MSE is also smaller, and a launcher can carry twelve missiles instead of four. The missile has a range of thirty-five kilometers and a maximum altitude of 112,000 feet.

Patriot was a product of the 1970s-80s, a period when battlefield missile defense was not seriously discussed, and was designed purely to intercept aircraft. Over time, Patriot has proven surprisingly adaptable. Despite failures in the 1991 Gulf War, during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Patriot scored nine hits on nine Iraqi theater ballistic missiles.

I completely disagree with this ranking. The Patriot is in no way, the best Air Defence Missile. Look at Israeli patriots failing 3 times to hit an aircraft. There is absolutely no way this ranking is correct.


Russian Air Defence Missiles killed 20 Ukrainian aircrafts in the ongoing Donbass war.


Where is the Pantsir, BUK-M2, the S-300, S-350, S-400?

nice work bidexiii
visit more often here
i meant post more often
i am really tired of looking at my own postings

Henry240:


I completely disagree with this ranking. The Patriot is in no way, the best Air Defence Missile. Look at Israeli patriots failing 3 times to hit an aircraft. There is absolutely no way this ranking is correct.


Russian Air Defence Missiles killed 20 Ukrainian aircrafts in the ongoing Donbass war.


Where is the Pantsir, BUK-M2, the S-300, S-350, S-400?

he listed the extensive combat tested sams

@MikeCZA

with which country in the east , do S africans have defence tie up / investments

L-15 AFT version ,
there is LIFT version with more powerful engine.

giles14:
if d patriot deserves a place so also do d S300.


so for no 1 it will b PAC/S300

@henry & Giles I understand you quite alright. But you guys know that S-300,400 series, but & what av you etc.....? has little combat experience. That dosen't make them not good, and the fact that the patriot missile is on the list does not make it the deadliest.

The patriot made it first on the list because it's years of deployment on the field.


I was watching some couple of videos on YouTube today, about best fighters jets in the world but guess what frm 3-4 videos I watched the f-22 raptor is at the bottom 10.

Just because of its little or no combat deployment.

nemesis2u:
nice work bidexiii
visit more often here
i meant post more often
i am really tired of looking at my own postings

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F-86 vs Mig-15
Korean War relics

chinese8107:
F-86 vs Mig-15
Korean War relics

can u post details on the various guided munition used by china