truthislight:
The problem with this Islamic religion is nothing other than the source of its doctrine > the Koran. If you think otherwise, i will explain further.

The people that i believe are practicing the dictate of the religion of Islam/Koran are the Islamic State Muslims. there is no room in the Koran for the so called "Moderate Islamist" going by the Dictate of the Koran.

The instruction in the Koran is precisely what the ISIS are doing and there is no Justification for People to tag them "Extremist" since they are doing what they are supposed to do. The Koran Ask them to Kill Infidels, Rape women not properly dress, Convert the person or behead the person, etc. and such are what the ISIS are doing. The Moderate Muslims are disobedient to the above instructions, they are rather watering down the religion and disobedient.

There is no two ways about it, any follower of the Koran will do exactly the same thing with what this people of ISIS are doing when cornered. As long as the individual accepts Koran as the word of God, the person will do just the same thing when the situation does not favor him or her.

So, the real problem? the real problem is the Koran itself, the Koran supports all what ISIS are doing.

The truth? the truth is that, the so called Moderate Muslims are the fake Muslims, they are Hypocrites, cause they accept a different thing in the Koran and do a completely different thing and called themselves "Moderates Islam". Error! Disobedience.
Why the need for the word Moderate then? Think!

Do people really seat to understand the meaning and implication of the tag "Moderate Islam"? It means that this are the Muslims that have decided not to apply what the Koran says! Simple!
They are the fake Muslims and the ISIS and the likes are the real deal. Moderateness is the lack of full intensity.

If Koran were to be genuine, it means that the so call ISIS are the ones that will be rewarded by their God, and the fake moderate Muslims will all lose out. simple!

You may not want to see it this way, but not seeing it this way makes those that complain and accused Christians of not following what the Bible says as also being Hypocrites.
Yes, because in one mouth you find fault with professed followers of Christ not following the Scriptures and turned around and blame Genuine Muslims for doing what their scriptures tell them to do.

When did not following the scriptures the right way to go and the right thing to do?

ISIS are the True followers of the Koran and the true Muslims. Simple. All others not following Koran are FAKE Muslims and HYPOCRITES!

If you don't like what Islam is doing, then, you know what you should do.

https://www.nairaland.com/3227245/breaking-news-terrorist-attack-nice#47600476

I wish to open this discussion with all since not all that would possibly had seen the above post and Thread.

So, rom the above, The argument seems a good rational one it seems, but I feel not all will agree with the above argument, especially the Muslims.

So, let's here from both sides.

Who do you think are the Genuine Muslims, is it the "moderate Muslims" or the ISIS and their co-hot?

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loveroftruth:

https://www.nairaland.com/3227245/breaking-news-terrorist-attack-nice#47600476
I wish to open this discussion with all since not all that would possibly had seen the above post and Thread.
So, rom the above, The argument seems a good rational one it seems, but I feel not all will agree with the above argument, especially the Muslims.
So, let's here from both sides.
Who do you think are the Genuine Muslims, is it the "moderate Muslims" or the ISIS and their co-hot?

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Every Tom, Dick and Harry now forming expert on Islam when they don't even know what the word 'ISLAM' mean itself.

I agree.

An ex-Muslim youtuber explains this, reciting Qu'ran verses and all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odgmyi80ZzE

Those who kill, rape and hate others just like Muhammad did are the true muslims.

A true muslim cannot live in the West where there is freedom of speech, equal rights etc.

But today, you see muslims running to live in the West yet they claim they are Muslims.

According to the quran and hadiths, true muslims are the Isis and co.

A true follower of Yahweh will stone wayward kids to death.

loveroftruth:



https://www.nairaland.com/3227245/breaking-news-terrorist-attack-nice#47600476

I wish to open this discussion with all since not all that would possibly had seen the above post and Thread.

So, rom the above, The argument seems a good rational one it seems, but I feel not all will agree with the above argument, especially the Muslims.

So, let's here from both sides.

Who do you think are the Genuine Muslims, is it the "moderate Muslims" or the ISIS and their co-hot?

when the quran was given to the muslems, religion was political in nature, the religious leaders where also the political leaders, but nowadays religion does nt have the power to rule a state, hence the use of the quran must change to match the modern day standards,
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When christians decide to practice christianity as it was when it was ruling the world during the time of emperor constantine and the early popes, no one currently on earth would deserve to be called a true christian.
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According to modern day standards, since religion is no more political in nature, The moderate muslems are the true muslems.

Presbulg:
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Every Tom, Dick and Harry now forming expert on Islam when they don't even know what the word 'ISLAM' mean itself.

Dunce the OP has not formed any opinion on islam, rather he is inviting both sides to dialogue so he can learn from various opinions. Obviously you being a muslim has something to hide and you will rather we don't discuss it here.

SUPERPACK:

when the quran was given to the muslems, religion was political in nature, the religious leaders where also the political leaders, but nowadays religion does nt have the power to rule a state, hence the use of the quran must change to match the modern day standards,
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When christians decide to practice christianity as it was when it was ruling the world during the time of emperor constantine and the early popes, no one currently on earth would deserve to be called a true christian.
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According to modern day standards, since religion is no more political in nature, The moderate muslems are the true muslems.

You just succeeded in telling us that the quoran is outdated, it's of no use in these modern times and should be ignored.

annunaki2:


You just succeeded in telling us that the quoran is outdated, it's of no use in these modern times and should be ignored.

What does the Bible say about whoever abandons Christianity?
What does the Bible say about whoever insults his/her parents

Tell us what your timeless Bible say about those ?

BetaThings:

What does the Bible say about whoever abandons Christianity?
What does the Bible say about whoever insults his/her parents

Tell us what your timeless Bible say about those ?

The bible did not say anything about anybody who abandons christianity. Stop dishonestly trying to bring Judaism into christianity.

SUPERPACK:

when the quran was given to the muslems, religion was political in nature, the religious leaders where also the political leaders, but nowadays religion does nt have the power to rule a state, hence the use of the quran must change to match the modern day standards,
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When christians decide to practice christianity as it was when it was ruling the world during the time of emperor constantine and the early popes, no one currently on earth would deserve to be called a true christian.
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According to modern day standards, since religion is no more political in nature, The moderate muslems are the true muslems.

If Isis get hold of you they will eliminate your entire generation....

Presbulg:
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Every Tom, Dick and Harry now forming expert on Islam when they don't even know what the word 'ISLAM' mean itself.

Ah!

What are you pissed off with me for?

Are you angry that i created this fora for us to learn?

Are you a Muslim? If yes, why not spit your 2 Cent and lets learn from the rational reason propelling your beliefs? True, that is the rational thing to do.

Hoodwinking us to sheepishly keep silent and follow your lots and the killings of innocent people is not really too beautiful that is if it is beautiful at all to you.

Come on! say your part, live and lets live. don't kill others.

Why should your reggae be affecting Other peoples Blues?

plappville:
Those who kill, rape and hate others just like Muhammad did are the true muslims.

A true muslim cannot live in the West where there is freedom of speech, equal rights etc.

But today, you see muslims running to live in the West yet they claim they are Muslims.

According to the quran and hadiths, true muslims are the Isis and co.

So, you agree that the Kuran is rather the culprit, meaning that what ISIS is doing is propelled by the content of the Kuran.

Ok, we have heard you, however:

1. What Content of the Kuran do you think gives support to what the ISIS are doing?

2. Between the ISIS and the liberal Muslims, who then is the genuine follower of Islam?

ifenes:
A true follower of Yahweh will stone wayward kids to death.

Care to give evidence of such today?

Do you mean to say: A true Christian follower of Yahweh "will stone wayward kids"?

If the Above is what you meant to say, can you give evident of such a command in the Christian manual? (That will be in the New Testament, Since Christianity means follower of Christ, and followers of Christ started in the New testament of the Bible).

SUPERPACK:

when the quran was given to the muslems, religion was political in nature, the religious leaders where also the political leaders, but nowadays religion does nt have the power to rule a state, hence the use of the quran must change to match the modern day standards,
.
When christians decide to practice christianity as it was when it was ruling the world during the time of emperor constantine and the early popes, no one currently on earth would deserve to be called a true christian.
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According to modern day standards, since religion is no more political in nature, The moderate muslems are the true muslems.

Ok, you agreed with the OP, he said the root caused of the problem is the Kuran, Agreed?

If you agreed that all this Terrorist evil is caused by the Kuran, what next do you think should be done with the Kuran Now?

Hence, the question comes, who then do you think is the Genuine Muslims between ISIS and the liberal Muslims?

Thank you for your Opinion.

annunaki2:


You just succeeded in telling us that the quoran is outdated, it's of no use in these modern times and should be ignored.

True!

That seems rather obvious that he said the Koran is outdated, if the above is true, my question remains, what should be down with the Koran?

Again, who then do you think is the Genuine Muslim then between ISIS and the Liberal Muslims?

BetaThings:

What does the Bible say about whoever abandons Christianity?
What does the Bible say about whoever insults his/her parents

Tell us what your timeless Bible say about those ?

Do you mean Judaism or Christianity?

Christ Never had followers on earth practicing Judaism as the Code. Christianity started with the coming of Jesus Christ in the new Testament.

loveroftruth:

Care to give evidence of such today?
Do you mean to say: A true Christian follower of Yahweh "will stone wayward kids"?
If the Above is what you meant to say, can you give evident of such a command in the Christian manual? (That will be in the New Testament, Since Christianity means follower of Christ, and followers of Christ started in the New testament of the Bible).

He said a true follower of Yahweh. A true follower of Yahweh is the that will religiously follow the laws of yahweh. Unfortunately we have no one like that again.

Yahweh's law are now irrelevant.

loveroftruth:



https://www.nairaland.com/3227245/breaking-news-terrorist-attack-nice#47600476

I wish to open this discussion with all since not all that would possibly had seen the above post and Thread.

So, rom the above, The argument seems a good rational one it seems, but I feel not all will agree with the above argument, especially the Muslims.

So, let's here from both sides.

Who do you think are the Genuine Muslims, is it the "moderate Muslims" or the ISIS and their co-hot?

ISIS are the true Muslim

No doubt this what you want to hear, now that you've heared it, what next?

loveroftruth:


So, you agree that the Kuran is rather the culprit, meaning that what ISIS is doing is propelled by the content of the Kuran.

Ok, we have heard you, however:

1. What Content of the Kuran do you think gives support to what the ISIS are doing?

2. Between the ISIS and the liberal Muslims, who then is the genuine follower of Islam?

Quran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Rilwon:

ISIS are the true Muslim
No doubt this what you want to hear, now that you've heared it, what next?

Rilwon:


He said a true follower of Yahweh. A true follower of Yahweh is the that will religiously follow the laws of yahweh. Unfortunately we have no one like that again.

Yahweh's law are now irrelevant.

The law was fulfilled in Jesus. That was why He came to earth.

plappville:


The law was fulfilled in Jesus. That was why He came to earth.

How come the jews are not aware of this?

loveroftruth:


Do you mean Judaism or Christianity?

Christ Never had followers on earth practicing Judaism as the Code. Christianity started with the coming of Jesus Christ in the new Testament.

So what was the religion of Abraham?
So who were people supposed to worship during the time of OT and who were they asked to worship during the time of NT

annunaki2:


The bible did not say anything about anybody who abandons christianity. Stop dishonestly trying to bring Judaism into christianity.

I asked 2 questions
Is there any dishonesty in asking questions to learn about your religion

So what does Christianity say about whoever insults his/her parents?
So where is Judaism part in my question

So the Bible is silent about leaving the religion?

Rilwon:


How come the jews are not aware of this?

Are the Apostles of Jesus Arabs or Jews? We got the Gospel through the Arabs or Jews? Did Jesus choose the Arabs to spread the gospel or the Jews? Sure they were aware. Just that they were minority. Clown

plappville:


Are the Apostles of Jesus Arabs or Jews? We got the Gospel through the Arabs or Jews? Did Jesus choose the Arabs to spread the gospel or the Jews? Sure they were aware. Just that they were minority. Clown

Can one be a jew and a Christian at the same time? Fool.

Rilwon:


He said a true follower of Yahweh. A true follower of Yahweh is the that will religiously follow the laws of yahweh. Unfortunately we have no one like that again.

Yahweh's law are now irrelevant.

Actually, am yet to understand what you are driving at.

Are you agreeing that the ISIS are the true followers of Islam? Be apt so we can understand you clearly.

Meanwhile, The Prophecies in the OT by Yahweh had already foretold that his followers will follow him in a new way.

Here we go read this up:

JEREMIAH31:31-33

31 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant. 32 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ‘my covenant that they broke, although I was their true master,’ declares Jehovah.”
33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.”
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From the above, Yahweh had already made plans for a change of direction as contained in that Bible portion, this direction the Koran missed completely.

That new direction is the new covenant that was initiated by Yahweh as seen in that Prophecy above.
Jesus Christ Kick-started it while he was on earth:

Luke22:20
20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.
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So, from the above, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Prophecy of Yahweh recorded at Jeremiah 31:31 above, concerning making a new covenant and laws.

There, Jesus said the new covenant is by virtue of his Blood that is to be given on our behave, so, the new covenant is by means of Jesus blood.

Hence, the new covenant came into effect when "his Blood" was poured on our behave = when he died.

Since the new covenant hanged on the Messiah Jesus, that was why Jesus could talk of giving a new commandment:

John13:34,35
34 I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another".

Another scripture:

Matthew22:37-40

He said to him: “‘You must [color-red]love[/color] Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”
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From the above, Followers of Christ operate on the law of LOVE and not on the over 600 laws of Moses that was given on Mount Sinai when the sons of Israel were coming out of Egypt.

So, that Koran did not take note of what the Son of God Jesus did while on earth in the Bible and followed a completely different direction and kept carrying the laws given on mount Sinai in Koran even added their own, it is not Christians fault nor Jesus Fault, Not Yahweh's fault.

Koran did not take note of the directions of Jesus on LOVE.

Jesus says that the law to Love Yahweh and Love ones neighbor covers all the other 600 laws. If i love Yahweh, love my neighbor, i will not steal his property, nor go after his wife. Etc, Etc. and all else. Thereby keeping all other on Yahweh's laws.

Christians operate on a different Law from Judaism.

Rilwon:


ISIS are the true Muslim

No doubt this what you want to hear, now that you've heared it, what next?

Well, as long as you are honest to the truth, That is reality, and on that only can the conscience work.

The OP arrived at that same conclusion also.

Well, at least we can agree that the actions of the ISIS is what the KORAN says.

The Moderate Islamist should also own up that they are on the other side if ISIS are doing what Koran says.

plappville:


Quran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! SMHS.

You have made your point clearly!

The Koran rather Backs the ISIS people it appears so.

The OP MUST HAVE BEEN RIGHT.

Rilwon:


Can one be a jew and a Christian at the same time? Fool.

John 4:22 ►
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we (Jesus and my Apostles) worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Not ARABS ...

You are confused aren't you? What a pity!!

You have to believed a lie told by your false prophet that the apostles were arabs abi? What a stupid question you asked previously.

Rilwon:

How come the jews are not aware of this?

To you Muslims, Peter and other apostles are not Jews abi? Accept to learn what you do not know. Clown..

loveroftruth:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! SMHS.

You have made your point clearly!

The Koran rather Backs the ISIS people it appears so.

The OP MUST HAVE BEEN RIGHT.

Yes tge OP is right. Am surprised some moderate muslims are beginning to speak the truth about Isis and the quran. Nice thread.