mazaje:

More delusions. . .was jesus not a hypocrite according to the stories written about him. . he told people not to call each other fools but went about calling people fools. . .he could not even practice what he was preaching accoring to the story. . .

I am sick of ur ramblings mazaje. . . .why dont u just define sin?

More delusions. . .was jesus not a hypocrite according to the stories written about him. . he told people not to call each other fools but went about calling people fools. . .he could not even practice what he was preaching accoring to the story. . .

That is because Jesus was God on earth, and whose life was sinless and who had the authority to know when a person is truly a fool. A person can say they do believe in God but their lives run contrary to those words. Only God can read the heart.

He warned us not to call anyone a fool, because by so doing you're saying they don't know God, which is a means of passing judgment on someone, and secondly you are placing yourselves in God's position of judge of every heart.

David once said under inspiration "the fool hath saith in his heart there is no God"

So if a person's words and life deny the existence of God then such a person is a fool.

@gonson, your god died in pieces, he died with criminal and was pierces. Is this what you are proud of ? Not even the hindu will tell you that their god died. Christianity my foot

@gonson, your god died in pieces, he died with criminal and was pierces. Is this what you are proud of ? Not even the hindu will tell you that their god died. Christianity my foot

So your problem is not that He died, but rather God having to die for us humans. What does that reveal to you about the true God? Yes, God so loved the world that He was willing to give up His Son to become one of us, and to suffer the worst suffering ever meted out to humans, so that you Abuzola can have life everlasting.

Let me ask respectfully. What has your religion taught you about how Allah has proven His love?

noetic2:

I am sick of your ramblings mazaje. . .   .why dont u just define sin?

Hypocrisy is what is my definition of sin. . .saying one thing and doing another. . .telling people to do something that you yourself can not practice. . .

Why would god kill his son for snners, innocent son. The son even cried for such neglience mathew 27:46. What a wicked god is the christian god

Abuzola:

Why would god kill his son for snners, innocent son. The son even cried for such neglience mathew 27:46. What a wicked god is the christian god

that is exactly where we differ you see, our own GOD the alpha and the omega,the beginning and the end the locator,the provider jehovah el shadai,jehova jireh,the rose of sharon who formed us in his own image and who unconditionally loves us, wanted to redeem us from sin,to give us an opportunity to cleanse ourselves from the first sin from adam and eve and all the other sins.

he looked around for a worthy sacrifice and he could find none worthy enough or holy and blameless and sinless enough but his son jesus christ,
to redeem us his lovely creatures,whom he loved more than anything you can think of remember he created us in his own image to shopw how much he loved and cherished his creation.
the only people who did the same thing are two different people and they got the reward

1.abraham-which is why he is called THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, because abraham did something no human could do but GOD.

2.the king of the moabites when he was attacked by the israelites,he offered up his first born son,heir apparent to the throne, even though it wasnt GOD's will as the king was not of GOD,the lord had to cause the israelites to suddenly turn back in confusion and go back home

mazaje:

Hypocrisy is what is my definition of sin. . .saying one thing and doing another. . .telling people to do something that you yourself can not practice. . .

what?

@ Abuzola

Why would god kill his son for snners, innocent son. The son even cried for such neglience mathew 27:46. What a wicked god is the christian god

If you had a choice between saving your son, and seeing a train load of people perish, by attempting to save your son, what would you do? Save your son or save those people?

God didn't force His Son to come and suffer for us Abuzola. His Son chose to come and suffer in order to prevent sin from spreading throughout the universe. The Deity could have done away with sin and sinners in a moment if they so desired and it would have been their right to do so, but because God is love, and since the only way to save humans was by sending His Son, He did it.

Justice and mercy met at the cross.

There is no excuse mr godson, your trinity god is so funny. Who is God afraid of ? Huh ? Why couldn't he forgive once and for all without spilling the blood of an innocent man. Jesus never wanted to die, see luke 22:42

Abuzola:

There is no excuse mr godson, your trinity god is so funny. Who is God afraid of ? Huh ? Why couldn't he forgive once and for all without spilling the blood of an innocent man. Jesus never wanted to die, see luke 22:42

and allah has forgiveness?

There is no excuse mr godson, your trinity god is so funny. Who is God afraid of ? Huh ?  Why couldn't he forgive once and for all without spilling the blood of an innocent man. Jesus never wanted to die, see luke 22:42

Because God's everlasting law was broken and since God could not change His standards, and rather than compromise justice, someone had to pay the penalty of a broken law that led to sin.

He could have removed the requirements of the broken law, but that is not how God operates. God's government would have been compromised, and Satan would have had just cause to blame Him, as he did in heaven. Recall that there was war in heaven due to Satan's rebellion.

Satan's desire is to make us think that God's government cannot be trusted, and that His laws are not capable of being kept since the Law giver Himself cannot be trusted.

Well, the Father and Son agreed to redeem man through the voluntary death of His Son, without having to compromise His justice system. The rest is history.
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noetic2:

what?

Did the bible not say that jesus warned people not to call each others fools but when around calling people fools? Did the bible not say that jesus told people to have strong faith in god but when his time came to show his own faith in his god when he was about to be killed he cried and accused his god of forsaking him even though the bible says that was his mission on earth. . . ? Is that not hypocrisy . . .

I hate lies, what is the law you are afraid to be broken huh ? Why don't you people follow the law of the old testament which you considered as grace instead of spewing lies to defend your god

Did the bible not say that jesus warned people not to call each others fools but when around calling people fools? Did the bible not say that jesus told people to have strong faith in god but when his time came to show his own faith in his god when he was about to be killed he cried and accused his god of forsaking him even though the bible says that was his mission on earth. . . ? Is that not hypocrisy . . .

As usual you pick up what you cannot understand. As was explained over and over again Jesus is God and knows each heart. He warns against calling others fools since we do not know their hearts unless of course they give us reasons to call them that.

Crying doesn't make one a coward, and certainly not Jesus who faced the Roman guards in the garden of Gethsemane. He could have ran away as His disciples did, but He stood His ground, because it was His time. Often times He said His hour had not yet come, and that is because He came not just to die, but to teach the way of truth, and to set an example to those who bore witness.

He cried on the cross because His Father turned away from Him on the cross, and only so because at that moment in time Jesus "became sin for us". At that moment in time Jesus bore the sins of the past, present, and future.

Hence the Father could not look at Him, and withdrew His presence from Him for more than the reasons stated above. You see Jesus had to bear it all on His own. He had to suffer up until the very last moment all by Himself.

That only goes to show how much God the Father really hates sin. He couldn't even look at His Son.

Abuzola:

I hate lies, what is the law you are afraid to be broken huh ? Why don't you people follow the law of the old testament which you considered as grace instead of spewing lies to defend your god

How can you hate lies when islam is built on a foundation of lies and you require lies to perpetuate it?

Must you people lie ? Ha nawa o. Jesus a godhead was ignored by another godhead in time of need mathew 27:46, christianity is a cult for who cares to know the truth

I hate lies,  what is the law you are afraid to be broken huh ? Why don't you people follow the law of the old testament which you considered as grace instead of spewing lies to defend your god

It depends on the law in question. Not all OT laws are still applicable. Besides, not all Christians agree on what constitutes the laws of God. There are several codes that deal with different issues.

The law of which I speak are God's eternal laws that were always with God, even before creation. It governs human behaviour, and morals.

It was this moral code that Satan first broke, and who led our first parents to break as well.

You see lie. Is God changing from time to time to be changing laws

Must you people lie ? Ha nawa o. Jesus a godhead was ignored by another godhead in time of need mathew 27:46,  christianity is a cult for who cares to know the truth

Yes its difficult to understand, but in time you'll come to see the truth.

If you develop a better understanding and appreciation for the true nature of sin, and the plan of salvation that God introduced, then you will understand why not even Jesus' Father could tolerate looking at sin, even while His own Son bore it on the Roman cross.

Jesus felt the emptiness, as part of the suffering, that only one can feel when God's presence is removed. You may choose to dwell on the suffering but we Christians know He has risen from the dead and is coming back again for all those who love Him, and live for Him.

You just make sure you're ready to meet the king.

You see lie. Is God changing from time to time to be changing laws

Some laws were meant to be temporary. God's universal law is eternal. This law predates sin, but had to be transcribed in such a fashion to fit our setting.

did mohammad not change as well?lol
remember when he spoke in support of the 3pagan godess daughters of allah?

and then later hurriedly did an about turn

remember when he was ingratiating himself to the jews?even praying in the direction of jerusalem

when he had finished using them for his means,he suddenly realised their doctrines which he has been exposed to from birth,up untill his twenties/thirties was defective,and he blantantly betrayed them.

did he not change from a normal guy to a bloodthirsty renegade?

@bobbyaf
dont let him put you in the defensive,its their means tested ways of diverting attention from their fraudulent hustler of a guru maharaji look alike

all i know is that im scared and afraid for the generations to come,if mohammad and his followers could lay claim to being a bonafide prophet and religion,then i wont be suprised if 200 years later guru maharaji's followers turn around and say he was known as the greatest prophet, GOD help us

@godson, you are beginning to sound whacky, Allah never and will never have a daughter nor children.

@bobby, jesus was afraid of dying. See luke 22:42 so stop lying

Abuzola the fasting is over so now you have strength to yab abi see your mouth?

@bobbyaf
dont let him put you in the defensive,its their means tested ways of diverting attention from their fraudulent hustler of a guru maharaji look alike

Its never a problem teaching those who know not the truth. I have been called to be a witness to all peoples from all walks of life.

Remember we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the powers of darkness.

Abuzola:

Must you people lie ? Ha nawa o. Jesus a godhead was ignored by another godhead in time of need mathew 27:46, christianity is a cult for who cares to know the truth

But virtually all your "prophets", majority of allah's alleged "miracles" and the Lord of this "cult" are all part of islam right?

What a fraud you folks are. Pathetic.

@bobby,  jesus was afraid of dying. See luke 22:42 so stop lying

Who says Jesus wasn't human Abuzola? Of course He was afraid, but not so much about dying, but about the burden of sin that He'd have to bear for the whole generations, from the past, present and future. And that is why He prayed to His father that if it were possible remove the bitter cup, but then again He went on to pray that His Father's will be done.

No one including me can try to downplay what Jesus might have anticipated. Remember He was tempted because He was human, and that is what makes the whole thing very interesting and appealing.

You see because Jesus passed the test we too can pass whatever tests we face in life if we learn to lean on Jesus' strength and grace.

Abuzola:

@godson, you are beginning to sound whacky, Allah never and will never have a daughter nor children.

@bobby, jesus was afraid of dying. See luke 22:42 so stop lying

that means you have not been reading your quran and hadiths sire, allah meaning supreme being is considered by the arabians to be the god of creation,in addition they believe he had three daughters which pre islamic arabia worshipped and the idols amongst others kept in the kaaba,now mohammad in the quran supported the triune gods and if you have no knowledge of that,then you need to go and meet the likes of olabowale to tutor you,or go and check my posts on this forum where i have posted the verses,i cant be conducting your own research for you

@godson: The pagan arab believe god has daughter just like the orunmilas or the ifa worshippers believe their shit on God,


@boby, jesus a man ? Wonderful, Do you know that you are degrading god ? May God forgive you


@david, Our past Prophets ain't incest prophet so don't apply ur old testament to our sweet jesus, noah, lot, abraham, moses etc

Abuzola:

@godson: The pagan arab believe god has daughter just like the orunmilas or the ifa worshippers believe their shit on God,

besides the point,did mohammad uphold the worship of pagan godess or notsimple and delicate!!