Atheism has no self-justifying larger principles for the ongoing maintenance and/or the development of moral principles that serve the long-term flourishing of humanity. Religion provides a moral framework in which one may operate which includes a concept of atonement. Atheists don’t have the luxury of that framework and hence do not operate under the principle of retribution for evil deeds. This is the reason empirical date shows Atheists are more involved with mass murder, drug abuse, crime and prostitution.

Most killing in history has come from modern atheist regimes. Godlessness promotes immorality, hate and death. The evidence that shows godless people are as blood spilling monsters is overwhelming.

1. Adolf Hitler led Germany during World War II when he executed six million Jews in the Holocaust, three million Poles, three million Russian prisoners of war, and as many as eight million others throughout Europe.

2. Joseph Stalin was the General Secretary of the Soviet Union following the Russian Revolution until his death after World War II. Between 10 and 20 million Soviets and German prisoners of war died under his regime, depending on how many famine victims you count, from Gulags, execution, and forced resettlement.

3. Mao Zedong, who led China for more than a quarter of a century following World War II, created the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution programs which collectively killed unknown tens of millions of Chinese, most of them in public executions and violent clashes.

4. Pol Pot led the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia during the 1970's, when as many as 2 million Cambodians, or as much as 20% of the population, died from execution, disease and starvation.

Influence of Atheism in Europe
A couple of centuries ago, western Europe (which had a large Christian influence) dominated the world almost completely. Then in Europe, atheism replaced Christianity as the dominant influence. The result? Europe is being eclipsed by the rest of the world, and in danger of being taken over by moral decadence.

Influence of Atheism in America
What happened in America? Two hundred years ago, America was considerably influenced by the Bible. School textbooks relied on the Bible and taught children that they are made in the image of God, they should treat others well, they should honor their parents, and so on. The people were hardworking and illustrious. Crime was rare. In fact, many people would not bother to lock their houses when they went out. The nation became extremely rich and powerful. Gradually, atheism took over and the result:

School kids shoot each other. Many youngsters are addicted to drugs and alcohol. Venereal disease is rampant among teenagers. America is an immoral gutter – rampant indiscipline, sodomy and illicit sex among youngsters, Masochist cliques between students, widespread bullying, and a blind eye being turned by the authorities (themselves atheists I guess; a Christian teacher who stood his ground would not last long in an American public school).

The fruits of atheism betray it to be a most corrupt tree.The destruction unleashed by atheism should prompt every open minded atheist to question whether atheism is true.

[b] It's just appalling how some people in desperate and lame attempts to justify their nonsense beliefs and protect their egos from the damning harsh realities that common sense has exposed their faith to be fraudulent, can go to attack what they don't understand n using what they don't know.

Here you are saying how religion gives u a framework for morals, bla bla bla. This is quite laughable and no surprising given d obstinate nature of ur religion and d purposeful ignorance it confines you to, your moral framework held together with nails of atonement and coupled together with the hammer of heaven and hell. Yes, atheists ain't confined to dis prison cos they're able to think and not limit their reasoning to just unfounded fairytales..

Have you forgotten the worst genocides and crimes in human history were motivated by religious doctrines?? The early Christian crusades and purging, the inquisitions, the Witch hunting of early centuries to the modern day Islamic terrorism..??
Now tell me one with atheistic undertones?? [/b]

Most killing in history has come from modern atheist regimes. Godlessness promotes immorality, hate and death.

With or without religion, you would have good people
doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.


Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful


You don't need a book to tell you what is right or wrong. All you need is a working brain.

Hitler
According to history which you Christians use only when it suits ur reasoning, Hitler believes in a deity and promotes a rather different type of Christianity; one which he believes in Jesus, but ironically against most of the church tradition. In his own words justifying his killing of Jews, "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..".

“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.”

“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out”

So how can an atheist you say, justify his actions using the name of who/what he doesn't believe in??

Ramon92:
Bullshit

The same bullshit winner regurgitates every now AMD then

Tenison96:


With or without religion, you would have good people
doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.


Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful


You don't need a book to tell you what is right or wrong. All you need is a working brain.

Wise man!!

Tenison96:


With or without religion, you would have good people
doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.


Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful


You don't need a book to tell you what is right or wrong. All you need is a working brain.

A working brain does not help you determine what is wrong or right. What is wrong to Mr A may be right to Mr B hence that argument is dead on arrival.

Only a framework of ethics that differentiate between good or evil does that and Atheism lacks it. Where there is no belief in retribution temptation will push the man the most advanced brain to do the greatest evil.


Next!

1stCitizen:


A working brain does not help you determine what is wrong or right. What is wrong to Mr A may be right to Mr B hence that argument is dead on arrival. S

Only a framework of ethics that differentiate between good or evil does that and Atheism lacks it. Where there is no belief in retribution temptation will push the man the most advanced brain to do the greatest evil.

Next!

So your argument is Those who constitute and build the framework of Ethics do not have a working brain?

Also who says there's no punishment systems? why do Laws exist?

Tenison96:


So your argument is Those who constitute and build the framework of Ethics do not have a working brain?

Religion is the absolute bedrock of ethics. Religions are derived from supernatural revelation or guidance and not from human brains.

Please I listed all my points on the initial post, tackle them one after the other and stop digressing.

Tenison96:



Also who says there's no punishment systems? why do Laws exist?

Religion is the author of morality. Laws are based on morality. Gerrit now?

Hitler was NOT an atheist

1stCitizen:


Religion is the absolute bedrock of ethics. Religions are derived from supernatural revelation or guidance and not from human brains.

Please I listed all my points on the initial post, tackle them one after the other and stop digressing.

If religion is derived from supernatural revelations or guidance and not from the human brain, how come there's not a single evidence to support your said claims? If the Human mind did not concoct religion then it obviously came from somewhere. Now where is that "somewhere"

You also conveniently skipped my question about ethics and a working brain

hopefulLandlord:
Hitler was NOT an atheist

Hitler was skeptical of religion generally but recognized that he could not be elected if he expressed his true opinions.He was opportunistic. His remarks to confidants, as described in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, have been interpreted as evidence of his anti-religious beliefs

1stCitizen:


Religion is the author of morality. Laws are based on morality. Gerrit now?

So the verses in religious books that talks about killings, hate and violence are morally right to you?

Explains why there are so many Jihadist.

Tenison96:


If religion is derived from supernatural revelations or guidance and not from the human brain, how come there's not a single evidence to support your said claims? If the Human mind did not concoct religion then it obviously came from somewhere. Now where is that "somewhere"

You also conveniently skipped my question about ethics and a working brain

I answered your question. Maybe it was a bit too....hmmm ambiguous for your understanding. Read again. Religious ethics were not built or constituted by mere mortals but by supernatural revelations or guidance(NOT BY HUMAN BRAINS) . Like I said before this thread is not about the accuracy of religion but the impact of Atheism on society. You can open a thread on that lets tackle it instead of the usual Atheistic digressions.

1stCitizen:


I answered you question. Maybe it was a bit too....hmmm ambiguous for your understanding. Read again. Religious ethics were not built or constituted by mere mortals but by supernatural revelations or guidance(NOT BY HUMAN BRAINS) . Like I said before this thread is not about the accuracy of religion but the impact of Atheism on society. You can open a thread on that lets tackle it instead of the usual Atheistic digressions.

You're funny.
When you keep on throwing in bombs like Supernatural revelations and "not human brains" how does one argue against that?

But the phones, internet, most possibly everything you know was brought about because someone asked the Why's, Hows. These are the fundamentals of true knowledge not a feeling you have about something

1stCitizen:


I answered your question. Maybe it was a bit too....hmmm ambiguous for your understanding. Read again. Religious ethics were not built or constituted by mere mortals but by supernatural revelations or guidance(NOT BY HUMAN BRAINS) . Like I said before this thread is not about the accuracy of religion but the impact of Atheism on society. You can open a thread on that lets tackle it instead of the usual Atheistic digressions.

According to Global peace index, and according to their rankings, the most peaceful nations on earth are almost all among the most secular, while the least peaceful are almost all among the most religious. According to the United Nations 2011 Global Study on Homicide, of the top-10 nations with the highest intentional homicide rates, all are very religious/theistic nations, but of those at bottom of the list – the nations on earth with the lowest homicide rates -- nearly all are very secular nations.

Tenison96:



You're funny.
When you keep on throwing in bombs like Supernatural revelations and "not human brains" how does one argue against that?

But the phones, internet, most possibly everything you know was brought about because someone asked the Why's, Hows. These are the fundamentals of true knowledge not a feeling you have about something

The bolded is a digression and you can open a thread on that and I will tackle you accordingly. Meanwhile back to the topic. Atheism Leads To The Disintegration Of Society And Mass Murder Please tackle each point/evidence stated then you will be taken seriously.

^^^ now that was a report from 2011 and this is 2016. I'll leave you to figure how better or worse our world has been relative to that report within this last 5 years...

Ramon92:
According to Global peace index, and according to their rankings, the most peaceful nations on earth are almost all among the most secular, while the least peaceful are almost all among the most religious. According to the United Nations 2011 Global Study on Homicide, of the top-10 nations with the highest intentional homicide rates, all are very religious/theistic nations, but of those at bottom of the list – the nations on earth with the lowest homicide rates -- nearly all are very secular nations.

Please add the link, before he says it's made up

1stCitizen:


Hitler was skeptical of religion generally but recognized that he could not be elected if he expressed his true opinions.He was opportunistic. His remarks to confidants, as described in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, have been interpreted as evidence of his anti-religious beliefs

Bros, park well

Hitler was against anyone that is against Nazism

He killed Christians, Muslims, atheists with equal treatment

Of course an atheist would quickly bend to Hitler's will since there's no such thing mythical heaven for them so their lack of belief is not worth dying for; so towards the last days, atheists in Germany had either been killed, hiding, exiled or joined hitler

Nazism is a religion on his own

Read up bro

Ramon92:
According to Global peace index, and according to their rankings, the most peaceful nations on earth are almost all among the most secular, while the least peaceful are almost all among the most religious. According to the United Nations 2011 Global Study on Homicide, of the top-10 nations with the highest intentional homicide rates, all are very religious/theistic nations, but of those at bottom of the list – the nations on earth with the lowest homicide rates -- nearly all are very secular nations.

Is that the latest report? ? ?Secularity does not mean the people in those countries do not practice religions. These are multi-religious countries. If you claim that the most peaceful nations are secular then your argument flawed.

It have made more sense if you had made a comparison with Atheist countries Like North Korea which is at the top of the list.

hopefulLandlord:


Bros, park well

Hitler was against anyone that is against Nazism

He killed Christians, Muslims, atheists with equal treatment

Of course an atheist would quickly bend to Hitler's will since there's no such thing mythical heaven for them so their lack of belief is not worth dying for; so towards the last days, atheists in Germany had either been killed, hiding, exiled or joined hitler

Nazism is a religion on his own

Read up bro

Desist from using words like park well so at first glance your argument appears serious. I gave you evidence to show that Hitler was Atheist. (You can check them up online)

Where is your evidence to show that Nazism was a religion

1stCitizen:


Desist from using words like park well so at first glance your argument appears serious. I gave you evidence to show that Hitler was Atheist. (You can check them up online)

Where is your evidence to show that Nazism was a religion

Bros

Read


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Atheists

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Knock yourself out

Atheism was virtually wiped out of Germany quickly since atheists are not ready to die for their unbelief

So Hitler faced the religious people who were ready to die for their religion

That's why it looked like he hated religious people more

1stCitizen:


Secularity does not mean the people in those countries do not practice religions. These are multi-religious countries. If you claim that the most peaceful nations are secular then your argument flawed.

It have made more sense if you had made a comparison with Atheist countries Like North Korea which is at the top of the list.

Secular nations have people practicing some religions, but it has no influence on the law of the land or the socio cultural attitudes of the people. Religion is more of a private thing, like whether your bellybutton is in or out. Nobody cares and everyone minds their business. Religious nations, on the other hand, e.g Saudi Arabia have public beheadings and whatnot. Even Nigeria, which claims to be secular, is actually religious. The constitution is influenced by religion emg the signing of the anti-gay bill. The attitudes of the people are heavily influenced by religion. I've said it that Nigeria cannot be 100% peaceful until politicians remove religion from politics.
*******
Contrary to popular belief, I argue that Kim Jong UN's Korea is less atheist and more autotheistic, the belief that HE himself is god, and that so happens to be the case with several 'atheist' dictators. If an atheist completely follows the rules set by the united nations regarding human rights, then you'll see that there'll be NO violence

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hopefulLandlord:


Bros

Read


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Atheists

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Knock yourself out

Atheism was virtually wiped out of Germany quickly since atheists are not ready to die for their unbelief

So Hitler faced the religious people who were ready to die for their religion

That's why it looked like he hated religious people more

Only the first link opened and I was already

See extract from the 2nd paragraph. Did you even read it before pasting lol.

"Alan Bullock wrote that Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist who did not believe in God"

hopefulLandlord:


Bros

Read


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Atheists

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Knock yourself out

Atheism was virtually wiped out of Germany quickly since atheists are not ready to die for their unbelief

So Hitler faced the religious people who were ready to die for their religion

That's why it looked like he hated religious people more

Second link

"Christians appealed to Hitler to end anti-religious and anti-Church propaganda promulgated by Free Thinkers,and within Hitler's Nazi Party some atheists were quite vocal in their anti-Christian views"

1stCitizen:


Is that the latest report? ? ?Secularity does not mean the people in those countries do not practice religions. These are multi-religious countries. If you claim that the most peaceful nations are secular then your argument flawed.

It have made more sense if you had made a comparison with Atheist countries Like North Korea which is at the top of the list.

you make me laugh, seriously. Check ur dictionary for the meaning of the word secular, then relate it to your argument ..

1stCitizen:


Only the first link opened and I was already

See extract from the 2nd paragraph. Did you even read it before pasting lol.

"Alan Bullock wrote that Hitler was a rationalist and a materialist who did not believe in God"

Bros, why not read the whole link? There's a section for how he dealt with each religion and there's one for atheism too

That's a fair article hence I recommended it


Read bro, read

Ramon92:
you make me laugh, seriously. Check ur dictionary for the meaning of the word secular, then relate it to your argument ..

. You talk about a secular state and then about the word secular. One is a subset of the other and is somehow different. Below is the definition of a secular state which is no different from what I indicated that the people of such states practice different religions.

"A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state is or purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state

Are you still laughing?