Why this hypocrisy and double standard by the west?

America has allowed gay rights where a man can marry another man on the gorunds of fundamental human rights but harassing people that choose incest.

If gays are allowed to have their rights then why not also allow people that want incest also have their fundamental human rights?


— 11th August 2016
Say nothing will tear them apart

An American mother and son whose forbidden love affair could land them each a lengthy jail sentence have declared they are ‘madly in love’ and nothing will tear them apart.
Monica Mares, 36, and her son Caleb Peterson, 19, face up to 18 months in prison if found guilty of incest at a trial later this year in New Mexico, United States. But police soon found out about the clandestine affair during a call over a row between the family and some neighbors.
The couple was charged with incest, a fourth-degree felony in New Mexico. They were arraigned and appeared jointly in court in April but were held in custody for breaching their no-contact order. They were released on $5,000 bond and now face a trial by jury in September.
But the mother and son couple have vowed to fight for their right to have a sexual relationship and are appealing to the public to donate to their legal fund, London Daily Mail Online reported.


Currently Mares is not allowed to see any of her children or have any contact at all with Peterson. Yet she maintains that is has all been worth it. “It is every bit worth it,’ she said. ‘If they lock me up for love then they lock me up. There is no way anybody could pull us apart, and I really do love him.
“It hurts he is far away. It hurts really bad. I wish I could see him, talk to him, but I can’t risk it.’
The Online report quoted the couple as saying they are willing to risk everything to be together and have decided to go public with their affair in a bid to raise awareness of Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA) relationships.


GSA is defined as sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings or half-siblings, a parent and offspring, or first and second cousins, who first meet as adults. Mares said: “He is the love of my life and I don’t want to lose him. My kids love him, my whole family does. Nothing can come between us not courts, or jail, nothing.
“I have to be with him. When I get out of prison I will move out of Clovis to a state that allows us to be together.’
Incest is a crime in all 50 states of U.S., but the specifics of the laws and punishment vary greatly from state to state. Mother-of-nine Mares said she would even give up the right to see her other children if she was asked to choose between them and her lover.
The couple who currently live separately in Clovis, New Mexico and are banned from having any contact with each other by the courts, first embarked on their love affair towards the end of last year.


Mares was just 16 when she gave birth to Peterson whose pre-adoption name was Carlos and he was adopted as a baby. The 36-year-old, who didn’t raise Peterson, saw him for the first time in 18 years last Christmas when she picked him up at his adoptive father’s house in Texas and brought him to her home after the pair got in touch over Facebook.
The couple soon developed romantic feelings for each other and their relationship became sexual a few weeks later. “The first time I met my son in person I was so happy and excited I gave him a big hug,’ Mares said.’I went to go pick him up at his dad’s house in Texas.
“He gave me a call and asked me to pick him up, I got butterflies in my stomach. I met him outside and I knew it was him when he came towards me. He was crying and he gave me a hug. It was almost love at first sight but first it was mother love. He gave me a mother hug.
“He came home in the truck and came to live with me and we were both happy as mother and son.” Mares said that at first nothing happened but she then started getting these ‘crazy’ feelings.


She said it felt different because she didn’t raise him as her child yet after all these years he came back to her.
“It felt like I met somebody new in my life and I fell in love with him,” she explained.
She continued: “At first I told him, “I’m sorry I don’t know how you are going to react to this. I’m your mom and you’re my son, but I’m falling in love with you”.


“And he said: “You know what I am too. I was scared to let you know”. He was falling in love with his mom and I was falling in love with my son.” We talked about it and we took off to the park. I said, “Would you ever date your mom?” And he said: “would you ever date your son?” And I said, “Honest truth yes I would”.’
Mares said Peterson is the best thing that has happened to her in the past 19 years and wants to be with him for the rest of her life. She understands that she risks losing all her children and going to state prison but they both want to fight it.
“Caleb is willing to go through the same thing. Whatever it takes to be together,” she said. At first the couple lived happily together in Mares’ mobile home with her two youngest children Uriah and Joseph, keeping their relationship a secret from the world. Mares’ youngest son even began calling Peterson ‘dad’.


Peterson said he started falling love with his mom about a week after meeting her but claims as he grew up with an adopted parents he never really saw Mares as his mother.
“I never had anyone cook me meals or give me anything,’ he said. “I never got anything my entire life and she went out of her way to make me happy and after about a week or so I started having feelings for her and I guess I fell in love.
“It went beyond a mother-son relationship I never really viewed her as my mom. In certain aspects I do but mostly I don’t. I never thought I was crazy for having these feelings because I didn’t see her as my mom, it was more like going to a club and meeting a random person. It didn’t feel wrong, it felt normal.”


Peterson claims it was him who made the first move not his mom. He recalls: ‘We were hanging out just talking and I looked at her and she looked at me and I kissed her. “It was a real kiss it had feelings behind it, there was a spark that ever since then it just stayed.
“Honestly I never thought we would get into trouble for our relationship. We were both consenting adults – when it comes down to it. She’s adult I’m adult I can make my own decisions. I never thought it would blow up into something like this.’
Mares also said that it didn’t feel strange or wrong when the couple began their sexual relationship but admits that it probably wouldn’t have happened if she had raised Peterson.


“The first time we were physical ended up holding hands and then we ended up kissing and the kissing led to other things,” she said. “I felt comfortable with him and we fell even more deeply in love.
“If he had been with me all his life I don’t think anything would have happened between us.’
As well as legal trouble, the couple has met opposition from friends, neighbors, family members and the wider community. Mares has been attacked outside her home and subjected to death threats.


She said: ‘I’ve been having a lot of trouble from the people in Clovis. They call me incest.
Mares says other moms she knows don’t understand what she’s going through but says her kids have said they will love her no matter what. But with a torn look on her face, she added: “But if I had to choose between my son and all my other kids I’d chose him.” Peterson added: “My dad walked out on me because of it.
“There’s a lot of negative comments I read on Facebook and things, people say it’s disgusting, it’s gross, she’s your mom but it doesn’t hurt me or affect me at all. If they were in my situation or if they were to find out that somebody they loved was actually related to them then they’d be saying the exact opposite.”

http://sunnewsonline.com/american-mom-son-in-love-charged-with-incest-remain-defiant/

Lalasticlala

TonyeBarcanista come and see this people oo.

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no be small hypocrisy

you no go see our naija brainless peeps trying to form civilization on threads like this. ..... why? LOGIC

may be the next will be people having sex with rivers

I think the reason incest is frowned upon is the genetic disorders that usually accompanies offsprings of such unions. Just my opinion
There was a time in history when siblings did marry/procreate together. Cleopatra was said to have married her younger brother. Still in ancient Egypt, the Pharaoh - King Tut and is it Queen Neferetti.
But let's not be deceived, incest happens within us here in Naija. We have heard of fathers impregnating daughters. They just aren't brazen enough to expose themselves, just as we have homosexuals in Nigeria who haven't come out yet to the world

eyinjuege:
I think the reason incest is frowned upon is the genetic disorders that usually accompanies offsprings of such unions. Just my opinion
There was a time in history when siblings did marry/procreate together. Cleopatra was said to have married her younger brother. Still in ancient Egypt, the Pharaoh - King Tut and is it Queen Neferetti.
But let's not be deceived, incest happens within us here in Naija. We have heard of fathers impregnating daughters. They just aren't brazen enough to expose themselves, just as we have homosexuals in Nigeria who haven't come out yet to the world

OK. So why is polygamy frowned upon in the west even though all parties involved are not hurting anyone (the argument they seem to always chip in when defending homosexuality)?
Let's face it, the west is quite hypocritical and confused at the same time.

KevinDein:
OK. So why is polygamy frowned upon in the west even though all parties involved are not hurting anyone (the argument they seem to always chip in when defending homosexuality)?
Let's face it, the west is quite hypocritical and confused at the same time.

Polygamy- its their culture to practice monogamy I guess. The same reason polyandry is frowned upon there. Monogamous relationships are easier to deal with, neater for everyone involved including the society. The issue of hurting anyone, someone is usually being hurt in polygamous settings. It might not necessarily be physical. But sometimes its physical when the co-wives decide to rack.
There are equally some polygamous relationships in the west, provided you don't make it legal. There are men with multiple wives there, all living together.
Even incestuous relationships, though frowned upon is present there, and no one will harass you provided you don't decide to make it legal.

That's because incest/inbreeding causes a lot of genetic disorders


Remeber, in game of thrones, the eventual inhouse marrying of the Targaryeans caused them to produce Aegon (The Mad King).


Ok granted, that was fantasy



But in real life too; inbreeding has caused serious problems to the royal family in Europe. The Queen Elizabeth haemophilla spread to the other royal families and consquent Inter-marriage resulted in the haemophilla becoming dominant.



Even in the Medieval times, one sure way that allows you to divorce your wife is on the grounds of consagunity.........that is, you and the wife are related, no matter how distant the bloodline.

I've been all over this topic before on this forum and every single time I discussed it, my opponents never quite understood how stvpid they seem.

Hey Mindfulness, come here...maybe you can explain this topic for the rest of us.

Where is the LGBT community in all this? All these western people sef. Biko, Mindfulness, how do we approach this conundrum?

SirWere:
That's because incest/inbreeding causes a lot of genetic disorders

This statement would be true ONLY if these two premise are also supported:

1. Everyone who has sex does it solely for procreation.

2. Every recorded case of incest/inbreeding in history has always resulted in genetic disorders in the offsprings.

crackhaus:
I've been all over this topic before on this forum and every single time I discussed it, my opponents never seem to understand how stvpid they seem.

Hey Mindfulness, come here...maybe you can explain this topic for the rest of us.

Was just about to mention you.

So, it begins. The persecution of incestuâl couples in America of all places. I wonder what Obama has to say about this.

Timbuktou:


Was just about to mention you.

So, it begins. The persecution of incestuâl couples in America of all places. I wonder what Obama has to say about this.

They have a right to fall in love, have sex, and marry anyone including one of the same-sex but they don't have the right to fall in love and have sex with a family member... and the logic which people who are smart by half choose to use to support this, is that no one is getting hurt in the former while the unborn children will get hurt in the latter.

This utmost and genuine concern for the unborn children ironically does not extend to the issue of abortion...aren't they the same ones that say a woman should be free to abort an unwanted pregnancy if she wants?
Why they dont see this as also hurting the unborn child beats my imagination.

Liberal wankers...

My stand is this;
If a society intends to be truly liberal, then they better be liberal to the damn end...not this nitpicking here and there that does nothing but expose their moral bias.

crackhaus:

They have a right to fall in love, have sex, and marry anyone including one of the same-sex but they don't have the right to fall in love and have sex with a family member... and the logic which people who are smart by half choose to use to support this, is that no one is getting hurt in the former while the unborn children will get hurt in the latter.

Their utmost and genuine concern for the unborn children ironically does not extend to the issue of abortion...aren't they the same ones that say a woman should be free to abort an unwanted pregnancy if she wants?
Why they dont see this as also hurting the unborn child beats my imagination.

Liberal wankers...

I'm really eager to see how this case ends. I'm inclined to believing it will go nowhere as there's nobody financilaly sponsoring the aberration in the shadows. I'm also keen to be educated by nairaland's in-house liberals and deviancy defenders.

But, of course, no society can really be liberal to the very end, otherwise its progresses die off. Conscientious conservatism is what preserves cultures and societies. Conservative societies will always take over liberal societies.

Timbuktou:


I'm really eager to see how this case ends. I'm inclined to believing it will go nowhere as there's nobody financilaly sponsoring the aberration in the shadows. I'm also keen to be educated by nairaland's in-house liberals and deviancy defenders.

That's why I motioned Mindful to come make sense of it, she may be able to twist and turn it in her usual way.

But for the majority of others here, prepare to be disappointed.
Those ones are like baby chicks following mother hen anywhere/everywhere, even into the next compound where the hungry ferocious pitbull is waiting for lunch.

If the US agrees tomorrow to allow sexual relations between family members, be rest assured their tune will promptly change in resonance.

crackhaus:

This statement would be true ONLY if these two premise are also supported:

1. Everyone who has sex does it solely for procreation.

I fail to understand how this comment of yours has any relation to what I just said.

[/quote]2. Every recorded case of incest/inbreeding in history has always resulted in genetic disorders in the offsprings.[/quote]

Again, I fail to understand how this point makes any sense.

Genetic inbreeding has its advantages as well as disadvantages. It can further bring out the favorable dominant trait of the species; it is easy and requires little or no work.

But its disadvantages are staggering. They are too damaging to the individual, hence the society, hence the world.

I even fail to recognize how this is related to LGBT, to b honest.

Timbuktou:

But, of course, no society can really be liberal to the very end, otherwise its progresses die off. Conscientious conservatism is what preserves cultures and societies. Conservative societies will always take over liberal societies.

Spot on, but I don't think most liberals even realize this.

Honest question:
What would you say American culture is today?

When I think of China - I think of dynasties and emperors, great generals and the renowned tea ceremony.
When I think of Britain - I think of the monarchy and kings/Queens, ships and well-dressed officers.
When I think of France - I think of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Versailles.
And so on and so forth with many other world powers of history past...

But when I think of America, all I think of is slavery.
So what is really American Culture?

SirWere:
I fail to understand how this comment of yours has any relation to what I just said.

Again, I fail to understand how this point makes any sense.

Genetic inbreeding has its advantages as well as disadvantages. It can further bring out the favorable dominant trait of the species; it is easy and requires little or no work.

But its disadvantages are staggering. They are too damaging to the individual, hence the society, hence the world.

I even fail to recognize how this is related to LGBT, to b honest.

Bro I understand perfectly how it will make no sense to you.

You didn't realize I agreed with your statement— I only just went further to note that for your statement to be completely true, then it must also mean that:

1. Everyone who has sex does it solely for procreation.

2. Every recorded case of incest/inbreeding in history has always resulted in genetic disorders in the offsprings.

All you had to do was agree to the two premise above.

crackhaus:

Spot on, but I don't think most liberals even realize this.

Honest question:
What would you say is American culture today?

When I think of China - I think of dynasties and emperors, great generals and the renowned tea ceremony.
When I think of Britain - I think of the monarchy and kings/Queens, ships and well-dressed officers.
When I think of France - I think of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Versailles.
And so on and so forth with many other world powers of history past...

But when I think of America, all I think of is slavery.
So what is really American Culture?

American culture is John Smith and Pocohontas.

Really, it's always been about personal liberty and self-determination, fearlessness, hence the term "the American dream", which was basically your hardwork ensuring a decent life. Another aspect of American culture is amoral opportunism.

crackhaus:

Bro I understand perfectly how it will make no sense to you.

You didn't realize I agreed with your statement— I only just went further to note that for your statement to be completely true, then it must also mean that:

1. Everyone who has sex does it solely for procreation.

2. Every recorded case of incest/inbreeding in history has always resulted in genetic disorders in the offsprings.

All you had to do was agree to the two premise above.

Ah, I see.

Well, no. Not everyone who has sex does so for procreation. Perhaps it was so in the 1700's but this centuries has brought bizzare changes and almost every body can "get laid" in a matter of seconds. Not saying it makes sense, not saying it's moral, only saying that's the modus operandi nowadays.


And no. The most unreliable things in the world are litrally genes. The offsprings might actually inherit the "good" traits. It's 50-50.

Hell, I don't even know why I'm discussing this.

Timbuktou:


American culture is John Smith and Pocohontas.

Really, it's always been about personal liberty and self-determination, fearlessness, hence the term "the American dream", which was basically your hardwork ensuring a decent life. Another aspect of American culture is amoral opportunism.

Lol @John Smith and Pocahontas

I like that bit in bold, it is exactly why the country is so racially diverse and most people in the white majority still trace their ancestry back to other countries.
Even John Smith was an English man.


I asked someone that question on some site and the dude was talking about cowboys, country music, Rock n' Roll, and rap.

SirWere:
Ah, I see.

Well, no. Not everyone who has sex does so for procreation. Perhaps it was so in the 1700's but this centuries has brought bizzare changes and almost every body can "get laid" in a matter of seconds. Not saying it makes sense, not saying it's moral, only saying that's the modus operandi nowadays.


And no. The most unreliable things in the world are litrally genes. The offsprings might actually inherit the "good" traits. It's 50-50.

Hell, I don't even know why I'm discussing this.

You made me laugh just now with that last sentence, honestly...

Thanks for your time.

In as much as this gay activist always like saying as long as it involves two adults 'consenting' then it's okay.

So in line with this, I see no reason whatsoever why a son (adult) can not have sexual relation with his mother (adult) because they both 'consent' to it.

The more reason why I still don't understand the warp mentality of this gay activist. If you ask me, I believe they care more about what they want and are willing to do whatever it takes to get it. Just like Christians and Moslems.

crackhaus:

Lol @John Smith and Pocahontas

I like that bit in bold, it is exactly why the country is so racially diverse and most people in the white majority still trace their ancestry back to other countries.
Even John Smith was an English man.

I asked someone that question on some site and the dude was talking about cowboys, country music, Rock n' Roll, and rap.

Hehehe. Na so na.

Indeed. Which is, probably, what may cause their downfall. Allowing all sorts of crazy ideologies is dangerous business. But we'll see how they weather the storm. After all, they always win in Hollywood.

All na culture na . All those trends still contribute to the overall culture na.

Timbuktou:


Hehehe. Na so na.

Indeed. Which is, probably, what may cause their downfall. Allowing all sorts of crazy ideologies is dangerous business. But we'll see how they weather the storm. After all, they always win in Hollywood.

All na culture na . All those trends still contribute to the overall culture na.

The honest to God truth is that no one country can remain a world power indefinitely, it has never happened.

I was seeing a show on CNN where one of their political commentators noted how the US seems to be the most hated country in world but at the same time a top travel destination for people of other nationalities seeking better fortunes.

What this means literally is that when the time comes for it to start on the downward spiral, it would most probably be from within—not like I'm wishing for this tho, I like the country purely on a tech-developmental level.

If you are in support of gays and incest then you are not only foolish but you are a compound and verbal fool.
Gays, lesbians and incest are under a curse from GOD.
THE bible says woe unto a man that lays with another man and woe unto a woman that lay with another woman.
That is a curse from GOD.
Those that practise incest can be killed by thunder and fire from heaven becaus they are an abormination to creation and nature.
Tufiakwa.

Timbuktou:
Where is the LGBT community in all this? All these western people sef. Biko, Mindfulness, how do we approach this conundrum?

How is it our business? And how is inc.est related to homo.sex.uality?

crackhaus:
I've been all over this topic before on this forum and every single time I discussed it, my opponents never quite understood how stvpid they seem.

Hey Mindfulness, come here...maybe you can explain this topic for the rest of us.

What is there to explain?

You have already made up your mind.

Mindfulness:


How is it our business?

And how is inc.est related to homo.sex.uality?

It does concern us because you and your gay-loving deviants have been trying to force homosèx down our throats. And by force, I mean force. The US and UK have thteatened economic sanctions and withdrawal of grants if certain African countries refuse to stop persecuting" fâggots. It would be intetesting to see if these gay lovers fight for their fellow deviants. Do you not think it would be hypocritical if these incèstual couple are persecuted?

They are related by virtue of their shared deviancy.

Mindfulness:


What is there to explain?

You have already made up your mind.

Your views, for one.

And so? Don't you consider it worth the trouble to correct whatever false opinions he might possess?

Timbuktou:


It does concern us because you and your gay-loving deviants have been trying to force homosèx down our throats. And by force, I mean force. The US and UK have thteatened economic sanctions and withdrawal of grants if certain African countries refuse to stop persecuting" fâggots. It would be intetesting to see if these gay lovers fight for their fellow deviants. Do you not think it would be hypocritical if these incèstual couple are persecuted?

Cry baby!

They are related by virtue of their shared deviancy.

You are a deviant too from my perspective.

You are trying to force your Christian views on marriage and gender roles on people (just that you don't have that much power) so that your children will live in a world which you consider a healthy environment as if the world owes a fvck to you and your family.


Happy Friday Tim!