The bible makes it clear that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and naturally since it is the ultimate goal of christians to be admitted into the kingdom of God this scripture as gained a lot of of popularity in the church, but the question is this: Is the term born again being properly interpreted in our churches?? Apart from the scripture in John 3 where Jesus spoke about being born again which he states belief in him[John 3:16] is a prerequisite for being born again, what most people fail to realise is that Jesus was referring to belief in his teachings and not just belief in him as a person. The question one now asks is what were Jesus core teachings? The central theme of Jesus teachings is love, love for God and love for fellow men. He also went on to teach that you can only love God whom you can't see if you love your fellow men whom you can see. The only other place in the bible were "born again" was mentioned is in first book of peter where peter who was with Jesus when he taught the subject expantiated on it and what did peter have to say in relation to the subject? The verse below says it all:
1 Peter 1:22-23:
22 You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters. Love each other deeply with all your heart. 23 For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. clearly having love for others is a condition precedent to being born again as Jesus always taught, sadly this fruit is glaringly missing in most of our christian folk who claim to be born again. The question i now put forward is this are they truly born again? Most people assume a show/pretence of Godliness and being religious = being born again. How sadly faulty this delusion is

Being born again ,comprises of two things

1 being born of water-baptism

2 being born of the spirit-Receiving the holy spirit

These were the two areas hammered by Jesus in the gospel of John

It is very interesting that you talked about the "core teachings" of Jesus.The question is,"did those teachings come down to modern day christians?".The answer is obviously no,because those core teachings were the very ones that were edited out of the christian doctrine.Why?Because they were very very empowering to mankind,and that is very undesirable for the church who seeked to control mankind by means of disempowerment.So the teachings inherited by christians today is in 180 degrees reverse to what Jesus' teachings were.

Jesus' teachings were neither meant to support any establishment nor meant to tie individuals to such establishments.They were meant to free and empower the individual.To give us full knowledge of who we truly are and our relationship with the all(call that God,if you will) because that is the only way we will ever be able to love one another.It is quite ironic that for one to know what Jesus' core teachings were,one will have to look outside the christian doctrines to modern day spiritual teachers like Eckhart Tolle and others.

Going to your question,in my opinion,"born again" means shedding the old egoic consciousness that has caused so much pain,suffering,conflicts and unhappiness(and still does) for millenia,and making a total shift to a new consciousness of oneness with the all,which is egoless.One can never love without attaining this egoless state of being which is free of judgements and labeling.

But i believe that this is the state that we(the entire mankind) are evolving into gradually.
This born again thingy is not merely a christian thing,but universal to all mankind.It is a natural process that will inevitably happen in all of us, sooner or later.

KunleOshob:

The bible makes it clear that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and naturally since it is the ultimate goal of christians to be admitted into the kingdom of God this scripture as gained a lot of of popularity in the church, but the question is this: Is the term born again being properly interpreted in our churches?? Apart from the scripture in John 3 where Jesus spoke about being born again which he states belief in him[John 3:16] is a prerequisite for being born again, what most people fail to realise is that Jesus was referring to belief in his teachings and not just belief in him as a person. The question one now asks is what were Jesus core teachings? The central theme of Jesus teachings is love, love for God and love for fellow men. He also went on to teach that you can only love God whom you can't see if you love your fellow men whom you can see. The only other place in the bible were "born again" was mentioned is in first book of peter where peter who was with Jesus when he taught the subject expantiated on it and what did peter have to say in relation to the subject? The verse below says it all:
1 Peter 1:22-23:
22 You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters. Love each other deeply with all your heart. 23 For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. clearly having love for others is a condition precedent to being born again as Jesus always taught, sadly this fruit is glaringly missing in most of our christian folk who claim to be born again. The question i now put forward is this are they truly born again? Most people assume a show/pretence of Godliness and being religious = being born again. How sadly faulty this delusion is

chukwudi44:

Being born again ,comprises of two things

1 being born of water-baptism

2 being born of the spirit-Receiving the holy spirit

These were the two areas hammered by Jesus in the gospel of John

I appeal to all faithful brethren who love the Lord to pray for these guys so that the Lord will use the power of the Law to humble their hearts and then give them hearing ears and believing hearts so as to hear and believe the glorious gospel of Christ and the Daystar in their hearts to appear. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

OLAADEGBU:

I appeal to all faithful brethren who love the Lord to pray for these guys so that the Lord will use the power of the Law to humble their hearts and then give them hearing ears and believing hearts so as to hear and believe the glorious gospel of Christ and the Daystar in their hearts to appear. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

What are you ranting about here again if you have any problems with the bible based facts i posted above why do you bother to profess christianity when you find it very convinient to ignore the very core of christ's teachings yet you eagerly encourage twisted doctrines like tithes which he never taught or practised. Are you sure you know what it means to be a christain at all If you think there is anything wrong in my post then i suggest you state your deluded opinion here using scriptures [Not twsited doctrines] to back it.

KunleOshob:

What are you ranting about here again if you have any problems with the bible based facts i posted above why do you bother to profess christianity when you find it very convinient to ignore the very core of christ's teachings yet you eagerly encourage twisted doctrines like tithes which he never taught or practised. Are you sure you know what it means to be a christain at all If you think there is anything wrong in my post then i suggest you state your deluded opinion here using scriptures [Not twsited doctrines] to back it.

Forget about tithes or no tights, your eternal destiny is of more paramount importance to God and to you.
The gospel of love revealed in the cross compels me to preach either it is received with a smile or a frown as long as you and others believe and receive it. 

Let me give you a scenario that may explain this term called born again.  A two year old boy was once staring at a heater, fascinated by its bright orange glow.  His father saw him and warned, "Don't touch that heater, son.  It may look pretty, but it's hot."  The little boy believed him, and moved away from the heater.  Some time later, after his father had left the room, the boy thought, "I wonder if it really is hot."  He then reached out to touch it and see for himself.  The second his flesh burned, he stopped believing it was hot, he now knew it was hot!  He had moved out of the realm of belief into the realm of experience.

I have always believed in the existence of God as far as I can remember even before my conversion.  However, it was only when I obeyed the Word of God, turned from my sins and embraced Christ did I stop merely believing.  The moment I reached out and touched the heater bar of God's mercy did I move out of belief into the realm of experience.  It was when I threw myself upon the the unfailing mercy and love of Christ who paid the price of His redemption, and I placed my hope of salvation on the finished work at Calvary and I accepted His love and pardon did I step out from belief into experience.  This experience is so radical, Jesus referred to it as being "born again."

The Bible says that those who don't know God are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1; 4:18).  We are born with physical life, but not spiritual life.  Unbelievers are like dead men walking.  They are like corpses walking around who, by repenting and placing their faith in Christ, receive His very life.  There is a radical difference between a corpse and a living breathing human, just as there is when sinners pass from spiritual death to life.  The apostle Paul said if you are "in Christ," you are a brand new creature (2Cor.5:17).

Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, "My speech and my preaching were not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power; that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God" (1 Cor. 2:4,5).  What Paul was saying was, "I deliberately didn't talk you into your faith, but I let God's power transform you."  He didn't reach them through an intellectual assent, but through the realm of personal experience.

Suppose two people, a heater manufacturer and a skin specialist, walked into the room just after the that child had burned his hand on the heater.  Both assured the boy that he couldn't possibly have been burned.  But all the experts, theories and arguments in the world will not dissuade that boy, because of his experience.

Those who have been transformed by God's Power need never fear scientific or other arguments, because the man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.  "For our gospel came not to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance . . ."

@Olaadegbu
If you have really experienced the holy spirit, I wonder why you are so dogmatic and shallow in your thinking. And that is if you think at all cos all your posts spews of popular man made doctrines circulating in your ignorant pentecostal movement. Surely someone who has experienced the holy spirit would at least display more wisdom and understanding.

the problem with xtianity is that whenever anybody has a brainwave he lies on the holy spirit as his inspiration. As such we have several radically antagonistic beliefs claiming source from the holy spirit. Is it possible that the same spirit of God might have inspired the jehovah witness, catholics, 7th day adventist, mormons, anglicans, enkarka, babtists. Cherubim and seraphim and a countless host of other cults? Were the church fathers that edited the 'core teachings' of Jesus christ as claimed by jagunlabi actually inspired by the holy spirit?
I think b4 things can make sense we first of all have to recognize who really this holy spirit is why he has 'brought' so much confusion to the hearts of men.
If we can solve this riddle then we may advance in our search of wat born again really is

the problem with xtianity is that whenever anybody has a brainwave he lies on the holy spirit as his inspiration. As such we have several radically antagonistic beliefs claiming source from the holy spirit. Is it possible that the same spirit of God might have inspired the jehovah witness, catholics, 7th day adventist, mormons, anglicans, enkarka, babtists. Cherubim and seraphim and a countless host of other cults? Were the church fathers that edited the 'core teachings' of Jesus christ as claimed by jagunlabi actually inspired by the holy spirit?
I think b4 things can make sense we first of all have to recognize who really this holy spirit is why he has 'brought' so much confusion to the hearts of men.
If we can solve this riddle then we may advance in our search of wat born again really is

@jagunlabi
Even though you are not a professing christian your understanding and reasoning seems to connect with mine and I would like to dialogue with you on certain issues later, but meanwhile could you enlighten me on what your beliefs are?or your religion if you have any.

No problem.I am open.

KunleOshob:

@jagunlabi
Even though you are not a professing christian your understanding and reasoning seems to connect with mine and I would like to dialogue with you on certain issues later,

I have neither beliefs,nor religious affiliations."Beliefs" are meaningless to me.I am a seeker who seeks the truth about my true self,the nature of reality that i am experiencing,and my place in it.

I love to be free to seek without having to contend with being "bottled up" by manmade religious ideologies that were cleverly created and put in place by men who seek to prevent me and people like myself from seeking.For this reason,i have divulge myself of all forms of religious affiliations so that i can be free to roam,to seek,and to find,for therein lies salvation.

Doctrinal restrictions are hinderances that stand in my way,so i got rid of them.I don't want and need religious labels like,christian,or catholic,or protestant,or muslim,etc,etc.

I see myself and the rest of mankind as the universal consciousness(call it God if you will) experiencing itself through all of us and all other life forms.So,i am not different from you or all the other life forms in existence.

KunleOshob:

but meanwhile could you enlighten me on what your beliefs are?or your religion if you have any.

@Oladeegbu

I can se that u are sick,when christ in John 3 spoke of born again as being born of water and he spirit was he talking about.

What do ou think it means to be born by water is it not baptism,I wonder what makes you pentecostal feel u are always right.

You pentecostals have twistd born again to mean sth else

KunleOshob:

The bible makes it clear that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and naturally since it is the ultimate goal of christians to be admitted into the kingdom of God this scripture as gained a lot of of popularity in the church, but the question is this: Is the term born again being properly interpreted in our churches?? Apart from the scripture in John 3 where Jesus spoke about being born again which he states belief in him[John 3:16] is a prerequisite for being born again, what most people fail to realise is that Jesus was referring to belief in his teachings and not just belief in him as a person. The question one now asks is what were Jesus core teachings? The central theme of Jesus teachings is love, love for God and love for fellow men. He also went on to teach that you can only love God whom you can't see if you love your fellow men whom you can see. The only other place in the bible were "born again" was mentioned is in first book of peter where peter who was with Jesus when he taught the subject expantiated on it and what did peter have to say in relation to the subject? The verse below says it all:
1 Peter 1:22-23:
22 You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters. Love each other deeply with all your heart. 23 For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. clearly having love for others is a condition precedent to being born again as Jesus always taught, sadly this fruit is glaringly missing in most of our christian folk who claim to be born again. The question i now put forward is this are they truly born again? Most people assume a show/pretence of Godliness and being religious = being born again. How sadly faulty this delusion is

I have accepted christ as my lord and saviour, i speak over 16 languages (or tongues), i bind the devil regularly (guess he is permanently tied up now), i pay my tithe, first fruit and other offerings to keep the devourer away. Kunle i dont know whatelse is required to be a born again

Just joking (trying to spice up your thread)

I read Jagunlabi's last post, i think he is an alien from planet X (just joking as well).

Will contribute to your thread when i am less busy.

@zikky
Thanx for spicing up the thread, much appreciated.
@jagunlabi
So how do you go about seeking this knowledge? How are you sure of the authencity of your submissions. For instance you seem to believe in the Nibiru/planet X stuff but then again there are too many conflicting stories about gods from other planets, what makes you so sure planet X is true. I am sure you have heard of the dogon tribe of mali, why can't their sirus B star be the correct planet of the gods? I am also a student of the extra terrestrial god theory but I don't take it as gospel truth I only study the concept becos I find it intriguing and it puts somethings into perspective.then again you seem to recognize the deity of Jesus, what exactly is your take on him? Who do you believe he is? What was his mission on this planet and do you believe he is coming back again?

the_seeker:

the problem with xtianity is that whenever anybody has a brainwave he lies on the holy spirit as his inspiration. As such we have several radically antagonistic beliefs claiming source from the holy spirit. Is it possible that the same spirit of God might have inspired the jehovah witness, catholics, 7th day adventist, mormons, anglicans, enkarka, babtists. Cherubim and seraphim and a countless host of other cults? Were the church fathers that edited the 'core teachings' of Jesus christ as claimed by jagunlabi actually inspired by the holy spirit?
I think b4 things can make sense we first of all have to recognize who really this holy spirit is why he has 'brought' so much confusion to the hearts of men.
If we can solve this riddle then we may advance in our search of wat born again really is

i noticed kunleosob and friends deliberately ignored my post
who or what is the holy spirit and why is he the source of confusion in christendom?
I thought He was supposed to lead u into all truth

the_seeker:

i noticed kunleosob and  friends deliberately ignored my post
who or what is the holy spirit and why is he the source of confusion in christendom?
I thought He was supposed to lead u into all truth

how is the Holy Spirit the source of confusion in christendom?

Perhaps your post has been largely ignored because it is another senseless, brainless, warrantless attack on christianity.

davidylan:


Perhaps your post has been largely ignored because it is another senseless, brainless, warrantless attack on christianity.

I knew i was going to get ur response this way. U are all so predictale.
Kunleosob created this thread to try to fix the mess the holy spirit has created of christianity. Inspiring people with different ideologies and making a mess of the mission jesus was unable to complete. Leaving u in utter confusion on even something as basic to ur belief as 'born again'

The New Birth
September 28, 2009

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." (James 1:18)

The term "born again" has come into wide use in recent years--too wide and popular, in fact, for many who use it have little comprehension of its meaning.  First of all, there can be no real Christian who is not a "born-again Christian." Jesus said: "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. . . . Ye must be born again" (John 3:3, 7).

The Creator of the new birth is the Creator of the universe, as the text declares.  He begat us as a kind of first fruits of His creatures.  The new birth is not a new leaf, or a new morality, but a new creation! "Except a man be born of . . . the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

The miracle is accomplished through faith in Christ, believing the record of His saving work, as revealed by the Scriptures.  "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" (1 John 5:1).  "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" (1 Peter 1:23).

Those who are truly born again will inevitably exhibit the characteristics of a spiritual birth, just as those who are born physically exhibit signs of physical life.  As one characteristic of the new birth, "whosoever is born of God doth not commit |i.e., 'practice'| sin" (1 John 3:9).  Another sign is that of true Christian love, for "every one that loveth is born of God" (1 John 4:7). Furthermore, "whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith" (1 John 5:4).

The new birth is not a religious cliché but a miracle generating everlasting life.  "According to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5). HMM

Mmmh Olaadegbu, you quite capable of making sense sometimes. I just hope you fully understand, comprehend and practicalize all you just posted.

KunleOshob:

Mmmh Olaadegbu, you quite capable of making sense sometimes. I just hope you fully understand, comprehend and practicalize all you just posted.

True Christian love constrains me to preach the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to you in season and out of season, regardless of when it is received either with a smile or a frown.  I do not wish my so called enemies to end up in hell.  God says "Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?  saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live"? -- Ezekiel 18:4

One seeks knowledge by acquiring information from very broad and diverse sources.One needs to roam far and wide in the search for information.The trick here is to be well informed about what other people know and are made available to others.
The trick is not to beleive every information you come across,but to gather them,file them away in your mind,and when you are settled down,sift through them in a very analytical and matter of fact manner devoid of any prejudices and preconceptions.
We all have unanswered questions generated from years and years of conditioning based on what we have been told in the past.These questions serve as the filter that helps me to find what is authentic and what is not.
The truth always proves itself effortlessly,that is the characteristics of the truth.It does not need to be defended or forced on others.And the truth dissolves away unanswered questions,as if you've had an epiphany or the socalled,"aha" moments when the jigsaw puzzles just fall into place by themselves after recieving an authentic information.
If the information that you have only end up raising even more questions on top of the ones you already have,then you don't have the right information and you must keep on searching.

KunleOshob:

@jagunlabi
So how do you go about seeking this knowledge? How are you sure of the authencity of your submissions.

Once again,i do not "believe" in anything,and that goes with the nibiru story,even though i do not dismiss it as well.There are just way too many pieces of informations that are still missing,so one must keep looking with a very open mind.Believing something brings the search for information to a halt, because you then believe that you now know everything and there is no longer any need to keep on searching.And nobody knows everything,no one.
One thing is certain,though,in my mind,the genesis story was lifted from the ancient mesopotamian mythology that is based on the Summerian epic mytholgy,"EPIC OF GILGAMESH/ENUMA ELISH" which ofcourse ties in with the Nibiru/Planet X thing.The similarities could not be by accident,especially since it is well known that the jews spent a lot of time in ancient Babylonia.I am not ruling anything out yet.The search for more information is always ongoing.

KunleOshob:

@jagunlabi
For instance you seem to believe in the Nibiru/planet X stuff but then again there are too many conflicting stories about gods from other planets, what makes you so sure planet X is true.

Yes,i am very familiar with the Dogon story.But the origin of the Dogons is just another piece in the hugely complex puzzle.Why do the gods have to come from one part of the universe?Why can't different extraterrestrials come from different parts of the cosmos to planet earth.The Nibiru thing definitely does not discount the gods of the Dogons.
Going by what i have been able to gather till now,the picture i got was that different ETs(or gods) came to earth from different parts of the universe at different times to planet earth.I do not wish to go beyond that for now because i do not have enough informations to do so yet.The research continues.

KunleOshob:

@jagunlabi
I am sure you have heard of the dogon tribe of mali, why can't their sirus B star be the correct planet of the gods?

Like i've said before,we still have way too few informations on this subject to take anything as the "gospel truth",that will be too premature.One thing that i am almost sure of,is that at a very remote time in our past,there lived scientifically,technologically and spiritually incredibly advanced race(s) of beings on this planet who intermingles and coexist with our forefathers and ran things.The evidences for this are overwhelming.Are these highly advanced races ETs?That is open to debate and continual research.

KunleOshob:

I am also a student of the extra terrestrial god theory but I don't take it as gospel truth I only study the concept becos I find it intriguing and it puts somethings into perspective.

No,i do not beleive that he is a deity.He was only deified by the church so sa to use that status to control the masses.And neither does Jesus' status mean anything to me.It is totally unimportant.What is important is the content of his true teachings,that is most vital.

KunleOshob:

then again you seem to recognize the deity of Jesus,

To me,Jesus is one in the long long line of awakened and enlightened masters.He was,IMO,a spiritual teacher,but never a figure of worship.He was a "BUDDHA",which means the "AWAKENED ONE".Such people are in such an egoless state of being,that to be worshipped is never part of their earthly desires and being.
His mission is the same as all the other buddhas and that is to wake mankind up from the sort of state of consciousness that makes us inflict untold suffering on each other daily because of our unawakened state of consciousness that is causing conflicts,wars,devastations on the planet,etc,etc.This is the true hell that salvation is supposed to rescue us from.
The kingdom of heaven that he was talking about is the one within us,because there is nothing outside of us.His core teachings did show us that the journey to salvation is the journey within.That is where we can reconnect with our maker and find eternal peace,love,altruism,etc.But those teachings have been erased from the christian doctrine and the result is that people keep on looking outside themselves for salvation.Taking the journey of salvation in the wrong direction,outward instead of inward.That is why the world remains so dysfunctional,especially the christain world,and it will remain so until christians finally wake up to see that the journey to salvation is inward.
Is he coming back?No,he is not.He is gone like all other masters before him are gone.But what is coming is the total shift in mankind's state of consciousness,which is already happening now.If you want to term that as the return of Jesus,then fine.But if you are waiting for the mental image of that long haired,bearded man of the christian iconography,you are going to be greatly disapointed.IMO.

KunleOshob:

@jagunlabi
what exactly is your take on him? Who do you believe he is? What was his mission on this planet and do you believe he is coming back again?

@jagunlabi,

Jawo l'apon tio yo.  Short circuit you intellectual arguments for a moment and engage your conscience in answering these moral questions:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I ever used God's name in vain?   ____YES  ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I murdered (God considers hatred, abortion and euthanasia as murder)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?  ____YES  ___NO 

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."  (Death is the separation from God, either temporary or permanently)

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments.  Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past.  We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure.  On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame.  Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell.  Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath.  Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.

OLAADEGBU:

@jagunlabi,
Jawo l'apon tio yo.

Apon ti o yo ke?Olaadegbu,i should be advising a christian fundermentalist like you that.The time for people like you is coming to an end.You and your ilk are dinosaurs at the brink of extinction.

OLAADEGBU:

@jagunlabi,
Short circuit you intellectual arguments for a moment and engage your conscience in answering these moral questions

Moral questions?You call these "moral" questions?What is moral about them?More like,religious coersive questions.Give it up!This method is played out.

OLAADEGBU:


Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?  NO. Love?What is he?My lover?I am no homo,man!   I have always wondered about my creator,YES.I left the suffocating cage of religion and it's doctrines exactly because of that.To be free to wonder.To be free to find out about myself,my creator,and my relationship with the ALL.Religion like christianity with it's false doctrines is a hinderance to this endeavour.

Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself?  ___NO!  Dogmatic religions like christianity are the ones that create mental and physical images of the creative life force of the universe(old man with beards in the sky) for the minds of their flocks for the express purpose of manipulating them and surviving off of them.
I prefer to leave the pure,formless,abstract nature of the creator alone while i continue on my journey of evolution.I don't create images because i do not need them.Images are for those who believe that they have to worship.Without images,to worship is impossible for them.I don't believe in worshipping anything,so i neither need nor make images.

Have I ever used God's name in vain?    ___NO! For me,the creator has no name,so the question is already mute.Namegiving are only done by religious folks.That is how they can be able to create a mental image of the deity they insist on worshipping.

Have I kept the Sabbath holy?    ___NO!  Keep the sabbath?Who gives a rat's ass about the sabbath?Do i look like a jew to you?I am a fullblown african/naija man,my guy!Wetin consign agbero with overload?Sabbath ko,saburi ni!

Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?  ___YES! And what has my relationship with my parents got to do with anything?Olaadegbu,you can do better than this.But if you insist,my rapport with my parents are quite good,thank you. 

Have I murdered (God considers hatred, abortion and euthanasia as murder)?    ___NO! No,i have not.I am not inclined to kill my fellow human being in coldblood because i am not a coldblooded killer.What about your god,olaadegbu?He does loooove killing in coldblood,no?See the OT.  

Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?  ____YES! Premarital sex,i have done and enjoyed,and still enjoy.Is that a sin?(shrug). I don't think so,even if you do.Afterall, what is considered as sin has only a relative basis and no absolute. Making love is not wrong,especially if you are making love with the one you love.Whether you do it pre,marital, or postmarital is totally irrelevant,as long as you do it to your own woman and you do am well well to make her happy and love you more.Ise ti pari!
BTW,when and how did your god have his "only begotten" son?Was it via premarital,marital,or postmarital sex?Who is your god married to?Who is his wife?Is he even married?Abeg,kweshions boku . . .

Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?  ____YES! And i was not proud of it.I paid the price,learned from the experience, and moved on.So what?It is part of my evolution. 

Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES! Many times!So what?There are situations that demand one to lie to make things right,and there are others that don't.That is the situation we find ourselves in in this game of life.Different situations require different appropriate responses.If it takes lying to put a situation right for you and others,then by all means,LIE!If (unfortunately for you)there are negative consequences because of that action,then endure them.It is all part of human evolution.Big deal!

Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES!What the heck?Ofcourse i have been greedy a few(even though i am not a greedy person by nature) and i have been materialistic at other times!So what?What is the matter with you,man?I live in a material world!What do you expect?

Now,let me deal with your socalled moral questions.Please look inside the quote box for my answers.

OLAADEGBU:

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."  (Death is the separation from God, either temporary or permanently)

Who cares about the laws of your god,olaadegbu?I don't because i do not believe in him,his existence, or his moral judgements and stance(if he has any).

Wages of sin is death?Death is the separation from god?Olaadegbu,if the god you are referring to is the one in the OT,then i want to be so dead,it will make your god sick!
Anything to stay far away from him and his bloodthirsty nastiness.You think your god is all that?A deity that is so evil,he makes the devil look like a saint.No thank you!You can have him for eternity,olaadegbu.I want to be so separate from him,that he won't be able to stalk me.

OLAADEGBU:

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments.  Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past.  We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure.

Olaadegbu,i do not feel guilty for being human.I was made that way,and rightly so.My belief is that we are here to evolve to a state of consciousness so high that the creative life force can flow through us.We have not exactly achieved that state,but we are on our way to doing so.
The negatives or errors,or what you call sins are only there to guide us to achieving this higher state of consciousness the way errors and corrections help guide a student through his/her education.Have you ever seen a pupil going to school to acquire knowledge fully knowledgable?What would be the use of such a student going to school in the first place if he/she already knows everything(i.e perfect)?We are not meant to be perfect from the start,but grow to perfection through errors and corrections.Life is our school and teacher.

OLAADEGBU:

On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame.  Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

Olaadegbu,i do not share your belief in the socalled "judgement day".Our day of judgement is every day of our lives as we progress upwards in our evolution through errors and corrections.When we die(log out of this reality,that is) we return to pure energy that is part of the one universal creator,only to take another life form and return to another round of physical existence.That is what i believe for now.So your "judgement day belief" means nothin to me.

OLAADEGBU:

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

Sorry,olaadegbu.I am not guilty of violating any law.I am just EVOLVING,which is what i am here to do.But if you think you do violate "his" laws,then knock yourself out with guilt.It is your call.

OLAADEGBU:

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell.  Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath.  Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.

Olaadegbu,you know i do not believe in all these church doctrinal jargons.But you obviously do and that is fine with me.Suit yourself.

@jagunlabi,

Thanks for taking your time in answering those Moral (10 commandments) questions.

You have just admitted that you are a liar, adulterer, thief and coveteous (greedy, materialist) person.  If and when God judges you (when you die) by these 10 commandments do you think you will be guilty or innocent?  It doesn't matter whether you believe them or not, the fact that you don't believe a trailer that is coming at you while you are standing in the middle of the express road (motorway, highway) does not make it any less real.  The universe and the earth are all governed by laws created by God and discovered by man.  God is the source of the Moral Law written with His own finger.

OLAADEGBU:

@jagunlabi,

Thanks for taking your time in answering those Moral (10 commandments) questions.

You have just admitted that you are a liar, adulterer, thief and coveteous (greedy, materialist) person. If and when God judges you (when you die) by these 10 commandments do you think you will be guilty or not guilty?

Olaadegbu,you are a twister of words.But that is okay.It is your prejudice and conditioning that does that.You want to use my honesty against me,no?Shame on you!
As for the judgement day,i will not be present because that day will not come,because that day is as fictional as the judge himself which is your god.

OLAADEGBU:

It doesn't matter whether you believe them or not, the fact that you don't believe a trailer that is coming at you while you are standing in the middle of the express road (motorway, highway) does not make it any less real.

Lol! Olaadegbu,you are something else o!You really think that you are talking to a dummy in a religious comma,abi?
If i see a trailer coming at me while i stand in the middle of an express road,my guy,i go believe and run!BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE BLOODY TRAILER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
But where is your god,olaadegbu?I can't see him. But you can,obviously,which does not do much to validate his existence,because he exists only in your fantasy.You poor poor guy.

OLAADEGBU:

The universe and the earth are all governed by laws created by God and discovered by man. God is the source of the Moral Law written with His own finger.

I still take it that your god is that OT butcher,right?Tell your god to go and study and learn his own moral laws first before demanding others to learn and live by them.Because according to the OT bible,he needs a crash course in morality,asap.Jagunlabi is not impressed. . .

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jagunlabi:

Olaadegbu,you are a twister of words.But that is okay.It is your prejudice and conditioning that does that.You want to use my honesty against me,no?Shame on you!

It pays to be honest and you don't have to feel guilty about that but you still have the chance to change your answers if you feel that I did not quote you right.  The answers you gave is as a result of by passing your intellectual assent and allowing your conscience to speak.  It is the Moral Law of God that shows you up which your conscience admitted to.

jagunlabi:

As for the judgement day,i will not be present because that day will not come,because that day is as fictional as the judge himself which is your god.

These verses warn of the reality of the Judgment Day: Heb.9:27; 2 Pet.2:4,5,9

"And it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment" -- Hebrews 9:27

This verse shows that there is no such thing as reincarnation, as you may have been made to believe.  It is merely wishful thinking for guilty sinners.  Many of the world's largest religions teach their adherents that if they don't get it right in this lifetime, they'll have multiple opportunities in future lives.  That people don't need to trust in Jesus before they die is one of Satans's greatest lies.

jagunlabi:

Lol! Olaadegbu,you are something else o!You really think that you are talking to a dummy in a religious comma,abi?
If i see a trailer coming at me while i stand in the middle of an express road,my guy,i go believe and run!BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE BLOODY TRAILER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
But where is your god,olaadegbu?I can't see him. But you can,obviously,which does not do much to validate his existence,because he exists only in your fantasy.You poor poor guy.

Moto kii npa ara oko    You will run because you fear death, which is alright.  Can you see Mr. death when it  comes knocking? Can you see your brain? Can you see the airwaves that is transmitted to your TV?  If you can't see any of these right now, does it mean that they don't exist?

jagunlabi:

I still take it that your god is that OT butcher,right?Tell your god to go and study and learn his own moral laws first before demanding others to learn and live by them.Because according to the OT bible,he needs a crash course in morality,asap.Jagunlabi is not impressed. . .

God didn't confine His wrath to the Canaanites and all the (m)ites, or to those mentioned in the book of Revelation.  He proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity.  We will all die because we have broken God's Law.  Every one of us is waiting on death row.  Instead of standing in moral judgment over the Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God.  We will find that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment.  Yet God, out of love, paid the penalty for our sin so we would not have to.

Being born again means giving your life to God/Jesus. We're all born with nothing but our lives into this world. God who gave us life requires us to give it back to Him for His glory/pleasure. If your life is still with you, then you're not born again. When you give your life to Jesus, He gives you His life in return. Then without Him, you can do nothing. Many live on their wills, thoughts, discoveries and ways. What God requires is give Me your life. Are you a man/person of yourself or a person of Another? That tells if you're presently born again or not.


Before I post, let me predict that kunle will say I have twisted scriptures. He's wired to act that way.

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So as a born again what fruits are you expected to exhibit? What sets you apart from the crowd? Is it just belief / faith as you implied or are there not any works involved? [And by works I don't mean tithes or any other form of pastor worship common in our churches today]

The fruit is that you're no more your own but God. Your foundation changes from doing things first because you agree but doing it firstly because you believe. A born again person is dead you know. He lives as Christ, not as his discovered self. Not my will but thine be done in earth.

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Just as I thought you don't know the fruits the spirit produces, it means you like most pentecotal hypocrites cannot possibly be truly born again as you even know the fruits of the spirit exhibited by true believers. If you truly want to learn I suggest you read galatians 5:22-23 and inculcate what you learn there.