khadaffi:


Are you kidding me? Did you understand what I wrote before you quoted me? In Nigeria citizens are not allowed to own guns. I'm talking about what the constitution allows here. The pump action you mentioned there, as far as govt is concerned, they are issued to hunters. I'm talking about the constitution recognizing the security threat and allowing citizens to own guns for protection not those hunter stuff.

mikolo80:

Show me the law
My grandfather not a hunter
He carried a bolt action rifle at all times
A neighbour had a double barrel shotgun
Stop displaying massignorance
You're supposed to be educated

mikolo80:
said the dullard
If you don't vex your neighbour why will he attack you with cutlass or gun
All I need is a Biro to gut you like a fish
People not inanimate objects kill people
Think before you talk
You go school
Pretend like you learnt something

mikolo80:
without the nra the 2nd amendment would be history by now but yes thank goodness for the founding fathers wisdom

mikolo80:
how is effective range 2 things

mikolo80:
until it jams on you then you will realise why the AK is the most popular weapon on the planet

Thisnut:
if you clean your rifle well with CLP after every use, you should not be worried about jams. Any assault rifle will jam if not well taken care of.

alexis:


What did you explain effective range as in relation to the AK 47?

alexis:


The constitution was written in 1778, the NRA was formed in 1871. Laws can't change what are stipulated in the constitution especially amendments. For example, the right of abortion wasn't in the constitution, it was a case law determined by the supreme court and as a result, women in the US can have abortion. Even on a higher level, the right to bear arms and the right of the press and right to practice your religion can't be compared to that of abortion which means they exist similarly like the right to life as stated in the constitution. The constitution protects the right to bear arms, the NRA lobbies for that right.

mikolo80:
the law was made for man
not man for the law
all laws can change
unless the few decide to put their money where their mouth is to change or defend said law
without the NRA uncle sam would've almost disarmed you guys

mikolo80:
I never did
effective range simply means that that is as far as the human eye can see a target unaided
most assault rifles can still kill at 6 to 800 yards/metrs with a scope
maximum range of the ak is actually over 4km altho by then the bullet cant do much damage if any
and I did not learn that online BTW
Trained by the army's best

alexis:


What does it mean the law was made for man and not man for the law as related to this discussion? Laws can't change what is stated in the constitution. Congress can't make laws that go against the right of the press or the right to bare arms. It can happen in Nigeria but not here. I have tried to tell you that several times.

If you think the NRA is the only group that lobbies for the right to bare arms then it's apparent you need more education when it comes guns ownership

mikolo80:
who else lobbies. Educate me or you're just making stuff up

alexis:


Education time

1. http://gunowners.org/ = Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.
2. https://www.saf.org/ = The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting a better understanding about our Constitutional heritage to privately own and possess firearms. To that end, we carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to better inform the public about the gun control debate.
3. http://www.grnc.org/ = http://www.grnc.org/home/about-grnc'
4. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/

There are many private and state gun organizations that support the bill of rights and the 2nd amendment. I hope that helps

alexis:


Education time

1. http://gunowners.org/ = Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a non-profit lobbying organization formed in 1975 to preserve and defend the Second Amendment rights of gun owners. GOA sees firearms ownership as a freedom issue.
2. https://www.saf.org/ = The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting a better understanding about our Constitutional heritage to privately own and possess firearms. To that end, we carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to better inform the public about the gun control debate.
3. http://www.grnc.org/ = http://www.grnc.org/home/about-grnc'
4. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/

There are many private and state gun organizations that support the bill of rights and the 2nd amendment. I hope that helps

mikolo80:
ok you win

mikolo80:
but I think the nra is number one by dollar amount

alexis:


It's not about winning. Good thing that you are aware now.

mikolo80:
o no
Of course I knew there will be other pacs and groups
Just that the nra is the most visible

who else lobbies. Educate me or you're just making stuff up

alexis:


You stated earlier:

The NRA is the most visible because it has alot of money and influence and that is because it has been around for quite sometime. However, there are other groups that oppose the NRA but fight for guns right and they are gaining alot of traction.

mikolo80:
how do you arrest moving target. If you get AK no tell anyone who go arrest you. Talk with sense

Buhari4dullard:


dis one is talking like his president!

Jakumo:


This write up is a fascinating work of fiction that is totally incorrect, from the standpoint of ballistic reality. Clearly the writer of this factually erroneous description has never owned a real gun in his life, but hopes to impress similarly unenlightened readers by baffling them with bullchit accumulated from playing video games and watching old war movies.

A pump action SHOTGUN unleashes a horrific flesh-mangling blast at point-blank ranges within 20 yards, BUT, those pellets only possess a MAXIMUM lethal range of 50 yards at best. Any target beyond 50 yards that is hit by shotgun pellets has a very good chance of escaping with small pellet wounds, and at ranges beyond 100 yards, shotgun pellets may not even retain sufficient energy to penetrate clothing. As a hunter who has used a pump action shotgun to down quarry ranging from fast-flying birds to sprinting deer, I happen to know what I am talking about, from personal experience over many, many years.

A rifle projectile, on the other hand, is capable of blasting gaping holes in flesh, and shattering bone, all the way out to 1 kilometer downrange, depending on the caliber of the projectile fired. The venerable AK47, chambered with the 7.62x39mm cartridge, is a devastating weapon capable of precision fire out to ranges in the region of 80 yards, beyond which accuracy drops off significantly, unless of course the rifle is fitted with a telescopic sight that improves accuracy, such that 200 yard shots can be attempted by steady-handed shooters. My .308 caliber deer rifle, fitted with a high magnification telescopic sight, will make clean deer kills well out beyond 350 yards, when fired from a stable resting position.

Having thoroughly tested the accuracy of an AK47 rifle at the firing range where many crates of ammo were expended at paper targets, I can lay claim to a very deep familiarity with the AK, going beyond mere shooting, and into the realm of complete disassembly and reassembly, which I perform blindfolded with ease, meaning that my observations about this weapon ALSO derive from EXTENSIVE hands-on experience, and not wild, uninformed speculation.

Before taking to the internet to make outlandish claims about subjects one does not truly understand, it would be prudent to bear in mind that not everyone in the targeted audience is guaranteed to be as profoundly ignorant as the pontificating writer.

alexis:


Which one be effective? The guys is talking about accuracy. The reason is simple, the AK47 is made up of very few simple metal parts. It is very easy to assemble and disassemble. Because of these simple metal parts, it loses accuracy with recoil and it's harmonics are disturbed when it rides the railings and hit the back of the rifle.

Also, the hand rail is mostly made of wood which affects it during the heat and even in winter. Same reason it is harder for your door to open during the dry season and summer.

If the argument was that it is durable, then yes - the AK 47 is simple, durable and reliable simply because it has fewer parts. It has a decent calibre in the 7.62 by 39 which can pass through concrete blocks at close range. However, it is not an accurate weapon. The AR15 platform is a much better accurate weapon.

Simple put, I would prefer my enemies all have AK 47 at a long distance fight. At close quarters, they are deadly

papaejima1:

Bros have you really used the AK47 in combat and how accurately did it perform under real action and not a shooting range or training scenario?

I am waiting for your answer and pls don't come back with what a textbook said.

lordkhalifa:
already own a double barrel and Dane gun... but the way things are going I need to be more sophisticated and always on alert and look out for Fulani murderers... don't want to be taken unaware, please is there a way to lay my hands on AK47

Jakumo:


You have brought up a very relevant point, Alexis, and it is good to hear from a fellow hunter. I happen to own a 12-gauge Winchester Model 1200 shotgun that I retrofitted for use firing slugs, which for those unfamiliar with the term, are SINGLE lumps of lead, as opposed to the numerous pellets that comprise the payload of a standard shotgun cartridge. I bought that rifled barrel to properly equip myself for buffalo and wild pig hunts, since those species need to be killed on the first shot, lest the hunter becomes the hunted.


The conversion of shotgun to slug gun could be likened to the conversion of a scatter-gun to a rifle. The after-market slug barrel I purchased contains internal grooves, or rifling, that imparts a stabilizing spin to the single projectile, so that it flies straight and true for far greater distances than standard shotgun pellets, before impacting the target and deforming into a very wide mushroom shape that creates gigantic wound channels capable of dropping a buffalo or an elephant in its tracks, if that impact occurs within say 150 yards, before the energy of the round tapers off to non-lethal levels.

While some slug guns have smooth barrels similar to a regular shotgun, the greatest level of accuracy is best obtained by going with a rifled barrel, as I did with my Winchester that I also fitted with a scope, to better serve its role as a tool of negotiation with BIG and MEAN critters. Interestingly, the slug barrel I purchased turned out to be noticeably shorter in length than the stock smooth-bore barrel that came with the gun when new, in contrast with the slug barrel that you mentioned having used.

Aloha