SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Problem Kid one has been missing for some time since I post my Nigerian passport he has disappeared.

So how does that makes you a Nigerian?

Who knows, maybe you are a Ghanaian criminal using Nigeria passport.

Just30:
they are losing their lives at childbirth like there is a pandemic
whiles most of their children dont grow past 5 years.


They say, most children born in Kenya develop brain defects because of poor health care facilities and services.

Please, produce the sources for this bullshit.

vaxx1:
don't let it surprised you. some country has done well than some known countries in this area . Qatar has the highest record of doctor ot patient in the world. .

Oman health care system is better than that of USA. USA health insurance policy is till very suck and fall behind . you may need to cross check on your own

What are the criteria used for the ranking?
Is it effectiveness with health care delivery ? The number of hospitals and clinics? How affordable the healthcare is ? Life expectancy of each country ?
Care to explain ??

The US, Canada Germany,China and India have one of the biggest medical tourism sector in the world. Some of the world biggest ground breaking discoveries in medicine have come from there !! How does Oman and Malta rank ahead of them ?

Kazikazi:
You are getting it right sometimes. Qatar should be ahead of all,but it is not.

That's why I said facilities alone are insufficient. You need to check on prevention,and that will mean to give right knowledge to citizen.You will need to check other stuff like quality of water,pollution level(also issues of conservation), you will need to check on illiteracy,quality of food eaten by citizen, corruption levels,crime,quality and not just quantity of health sector employees,other infrastructure stuff like roads,etc.

So,when you see a certain nations citizen live longer,know that there so many stuff are done for a long period of time

for instance
South Africa has better health care delivery and facilities than Ghana but Ghana life expectancy is above that of SA.

Check SA mortality rate and you will find out that it is 3 to 4 times lower than that of Ghana

NairobiWalker:



Please, produce the sources for this bullshit.

check your maternal mortality figures

Even your health ministry should be able to give it to you

mtisTheQubit:

we still debating on ths..right

Maybe it's my eyesight but I can't seem to find Canada in the top 50 .. can u help me check ?

Danielnino00:


What are the criteria used for the ranking?
Is it effectiveness with health care delivery ? The number of hospitals and clinics? How affordable the healthcare is ? Life expectancy of each country ?
Care to explain ??

The US, Canada Germany,China and India have one of the biggest medical tourism sector in the world. Some of the world biggest ground breaking discoveries in medicine have come from there !! How does Oman and Malta rank ahead of them ?

yes they do

WHO has their modalities
You can read on them

vaxx1:
TZ is sluggishly ahead of Ghana. 1 year advantage here is nothing . how much does your goverment spends on health care system and what are the policy that are in placed and what percentage of your gdp does it suck?

You are still falling back into looking at gov spinned reports of how much of GDP is used in healthcare!
Dude,living longer isn't just having a big GDP or a big hospital around a big city.If you see Tanzanians live longer than someone else,you should know there is a reason behind.Yes social life( lifestyle) has a role so as other issues also play a part.All in all,Tz is better than u guys

Just30:
yes they do

WHO has their modalities
You can read on them

Can u post it here ?

Let's read and learn..

Just30:
for instance
South Africa has better health care delivery and facilities than Ghana but Ghana life expectancy is above that of SA.

Check SA mortality rate and you will find out that it is 3 to 4 times lower than that of Ghana

Yes, its all not about facilities.
Life expectancy includes facilities and lifestyle. You need to get both right.SA has facilities, but have you checked how many doctors have been raped and robed while on duty? What about the food they are eating?pollution levels?crime?Fake doctors? Illiteracy?What about a "Don't care" attitude?

Danielnino00:


What are the criteria used for the ranking?
Is it effectiveness with health care delivery ? The number of hospitals and clinics? How affordable the healthcare is ? Life expectancy of each country ?
Care to explain ??

The US, Canada Germany,China and India have one of the biggest medical tourism sector in the world. Some of the world biggest ground breaking discoveries in medicine have come from there !! How does Oman and Malta rank ahead of them ?

World health organization does the ranking anyway and that validate its authority.

The methodology is largelly based on universal health care delivery and service . Yes USA has some of the best equipped quality hospital but it doesn't come cheap to the Americans making it difficult for Americans to benefit fromsuch system unless you are rich

Just30 vaxx1. I just downloaded the PDF format of that pic from WHO website..

The ranking is genuine from WHO . But the criteria used didn't do justice to the subject matter..

Danielnino00:


Can u post it here ?

Let's read and learn..

I don't have access to them

You can go to who website and learn their reasons.
It all has to do with the efficiency on their health delivery sector.
I have always know US and Canada not to have the best, though they are the countries we all run to.

I have always know Germany and Switzerland to have better systems.

I least expected France to top because I had little knowledge of their system except for their medieval records.

Kazikazi:
You are still falling back into looking at gov spinned reports of how much of GDP is used in healthcare!
Dude,living longer isn't just having a big GDP or a big hospital around a big city.If you see Tanzanians live longer than someone else,you should know there is a reason behind.Yes social life( lifestyle) has a role so as other issues also play a part.All in all,Tz is better than u guys

You are only repeating the same trash . what is the number of registerd doctor in TZ and what is ratio of doctor to patient in TZ?

that is how we come to know a successful quality health system and health delivery.

life span expectancy is another different category.

Danielnino00:
Just30 vaxx1. I just downloaded the PDF format of that pic from WHO website..

The ranking is genuine from WHO . But the criteria used didn't do justice to the subject matter..

I said the ranking is based on universal access.

Just30:
you're still failing at realising no one is talking about long living.

If we were talking about life expectancy then you could make these arguments.

We are talking about quality health care and facilities.
Achieving quality health care is not to emphasize long living. But to ensure both prevention of needless diseases and needless deaths.

One statistic that reflects the impact of quality health care delivery and facilities is the maternal mortality rate and infant mortality rates.

The aim of having the better healthcare is improving life expectancy. That's why the issue of living longer is discussed.

So if you have a quality healthcare, you should tell us,how it have helped on living longer?

Kazikazi:
Yes, its all not about facilities.
Life expectancy includes facilities and lifestyle. You need to get both right.SA has facilities, but have you checked how many doctors have been raped and robed while on duty? What about the food they are eating?pollution levels?crime?Fake doctors? Illiteracy?What about a "Don't care" attitude?

what is all not about Facilities ?

Quality health care is all about facilities and human resource.

The effectiveness of SA facilities is revealed in their mortality results.

Once more no one is talking about life expectancy
Because it has nothing to do with health care.

Danielnino00:
Just30 vaxx1. I just downloaded the PDF format of that pic from WHO website..

The ranking is genuine from WHO . But the criteria used didn't do justice to the subject matter..

read it

vaxx1:
You are only repeating the same trash . what is the number of registerd doctor in TZ and what is ratio of doctor to patient in TZ?

that is how we come to know a successful quality health system and health delivery.

life span expectancy is another different category.

No you don't gauge a healthcare on number of doctors! That's stupid.

The healthcare is a huge sector,you can't just count on number of doctors and get a conclusion.Even if you count them,how sure are we that the doctors counted are not fake? How are we sure that all doctors in gov hospitals are working as supposed?

If you want to see a best healthcare,just look at life expectancy

Kazikazi:
Yes, its all not about facilities.
Life expectancy includes facilities and lifestyle. You need to get both right.SA has facilities[b], but have you checked how many doctors have been raped and robed while on duty? [/b]What about the food they are eating?pollution levels?crime?Fake doctors? Illiteracy?What about a "Don't care" attitude?

kazikazi. this your argument don't make sense anymore . Ghana is more peaceful than TZ and even more than any east African state . social life style still goes beyond those petty things you wrote above .


there is more homicide and suicide in America than Ghana yet it does not mean America does not live longer. choose your line of argument intelligently.

Kazikazi:
The aim of having the better healthcare is improving life expectancy. That's why the issue of living longer is discussed.

So if you have a quality healthcare, you should tell us,how it have helped on living longer?

you are a joke

The aim of having better healthcare is to prevent needless deaths from needless diseases.

How can healthcare improve life expectancy when it has no correlation to it?

Why don't you go to the hospital to buy long life

Kazikazi:
No you don't gauge a healthcare on number of doctors! That's stupid.

The healthcare is a huge sector,you can't just count on number of doctors and get a conclusion.Even if you count them,how sure are we that the doctors counted are not fake? How are we sure that all doctors in gov hospitals are working as supposed?

If you want to see a best healthcare,just look at life expectancy

yes you can

Doctor to patients ratio is one of the reason why Africa lacks behind
Just like nurse to patients ratio.

The result like the mortality rates is used to judge the efficacy of the delivery.

Kazikazi:
No you don't gauge a healthcare on number of doctors! That's stupid.

The healthcare is a huge sector,you can't just count on number of doctors and get a conclusion.Even if you count them,how sure are we that the doctors counted are not fake? How are we sure that all doctors in gov hospitals are working as supposed?

If you want to see a best healthcare,just look at life expectancy

Your last response is brutish...... there is registered body that regulated doctors. so fake doctors actually will not be registered and captured by the govt . well it might not be the case in TZ . corruption might have sabotage such practices.


one of the finnest way to access health delivery is the amount of doctors doing the job . you can't say you have a good quality health care when there are only handful of doctors to do the job. for instance A country with a ratio of 1 doctor to 16 thousand patient can't say it is more efficient than a country with 1 doctor to every four thousand patient.

vaxx1:
Your last response is brutish...... there is registered body that regulat doctors. so fake doctors actually will not be registers and captured in the book . well it might not be the case in TZ . corruption might have sabotage such practices.


one of the finnest way to acess health delivery is the amount of doctors doing the job . you can say you have a good quality health care when there are only handful of doctors to do the job. for instance A country with a ratio of 1 doctor to 16 thousand patient can't say it is more efficient than a country with 1 doctor to every four thousand patient.

even the results from both of them will show that the one with 16k patients is stressed hence produce awful results not because he is not good but because he is over worked.

While the one with 4k patients can actually even venture into preventive care for his patients because he has a lot of spare time.

Mzal3ndo:
I can't believe i have to explain this. Currently in Tanzania, the union government takes care of all matters Tanganyika (Tanzania mainland) while Zanzibar is semi autonomous. If the new constitution that was proposed was passed and put into effect, where would be three governments, Tanzania of the union, and semi-autonomous Tanganyika and Zanzibar. That means a new election would have to be conducted to elect two prime ministers on for Zanzibar and the other for Tanganyika. Restructure the entitle government and leadership structure on how to operate the new government, make new laws, hire new people, create new government apparatus and agencies together as deciding the amount of power the new leaders had. The new constitution was a good idea but wasn't a necessary one, and the effects of rushing a constitution is seen in Kenya where they enacted a new constitution in 2010 but now people are suggesting for a constitutional review https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Kenya-needs-powerful-President-says-Munya/1064-5415446-f8467j/index.html

Who decided that a new constitution was a good idea but not necessary? Show me anywhere where citizens made such an observation. It was the govt that decided so, to safeguard party interests. Survival of CCM. Research shows that the vast majority of Tz citizens want a new constitution. I can provide endless surveys showing this. The thing is, constitution review process in Tz has never been citizen-centric. It has always been a govt and party affair. Right from the beginning. I can give you a list of the problems the common citizens in your country have with the constitution, including reducing presidential powers. But what for anyway? The govt has already decided that the review is unnecessary.
Of all people, you are the least qualified to talk about constitution-making and constitutional review. Take a few lessons on what it is all about, including how many times the constitutions of the US and SA were changed within the first ten years, then come back.

Just30:
yes you can

Doctor to patients ratio is one of the reason why Africa lacks behind
Just like nurse to patients ratio.

The result like the mortality rates is used to judge the efficacy of the delivery.

Doctor to patient ratio is a small part of African problems.SA with a good ratio of doctors,her citizen live less years than Tz!

I can agree on a ratio of well trained nurses.The nurses or medical assistants are more helpful since you can easily use them on prevention stuff.Tz uses medical assistants on most of these areas of prevention. That's one of the reason why Tz with few doctors but we live longer! We do more on prevention.

vaxx1:
This is nothing significant here. TZ presently lives longer with just 1 year and kenya with just two years . this is noting to brag about. Ghana even close the gap . it usei to be three years diffrent.

Why dont Ghanaians live as long as Kenyans or Tanzanians? What could be wrong?
One or two years is not insignificant. Convert it to man hours and see what Ghana is missing. It explains alot.

Kazikazi:
Doctor to patient ratio is a small part of African problems.SA with a good ratio of doctors,her citizen live less years than Tz!

I can agree on a ratio of well trained nurses.The nurses or medical assistants are more helpful since you can easily use them on prevention stuff.Tz uses medical assistants on most of these areas of prevention. That's one of the reason why Tz with few doctors but we live longer! We do more on prevention.

actually it is a large part of Africa healthcare problems.

You keep bringing health care to life expectancy
For the quadrillion time, they don't correlate.
Get it in your thick skull.

Sorry kiddo

Kazikazi:
Doctor to patient ratio is a small part of African problems.SA with a good ratio of doctors,her citizen live less years than Tz!

I can agree on a ratio of well trained nurses.The nurses or medical assistants are more helpful since you can easily use them on prevention stuff.Tz uses medical assistants on most of these areas of prevention. That's one of the reason why Tz with few doctors but we live longer! We do more on prevention.

Your line of reasoning is worrisome. you have being nairaland school on this and yet you keep repeating the hogwash. social lifestyles makes the diffrent in long life span not quality health care. no ones buy long life in the hospital, but quality health care can be buy from a country that offer it.

Just30:
Yes
When a country puts up better health care facilities, the work flow is efficient meaning best care services.

Now we are not talking about long life here, because long life have nothing to do with health care facilities and service.
Long life is achieved when a person is better fulfilled.
That comes when the person is doing the job they love, receiving great salaries, living life traffic free, low crimes, a safety net to fall on even when they lose their job, a safety net that takes care of them while they develop their best mental abilities, healthy eating, and a whole lot except health care.

How Dumb Wonder what you guys feed on before posting stuff. Why not just be silent instead of being an idiot.

TayserMahri:


Why dont Ghanaians live as long as Kenyans or Tanzanians? What could be wrong?
One or two years is not insignificant. Convert it to man hours and see what Ghana is missing. It explains alot.

now you've even gotten life expectancy wrong

It doesn't mean you live longer


Get that right and I will answer you

TayserMahri:


How Dumb Wonder what you guys feed on before posting stuff. Why not just be silent instead of being an idiot.

I don't expect you to know this

After all, most Kenyans leave the hospital with brain deficiencies.

Clinically dumb people