raphieMontella:

the same infinite wisdom that made him not create another man so as to avoid incest is the same wisdom here...
At best it can tell us that he doesnt approve of man-to-man other than polygamy

Okay. Can you give me a single verse in the whole of the Bible that shows GOD is in full support of polygamy?

raphieMontella:
I just need a bible verse that says men are not allowed to marry more than one wives

This is just like asking me to provide a verse in the Bible where GOD says we should not masturbate or smoke cocaine. But We know that GOD is not in support of these things.

However, consider this: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach..." 1 Tim. 3:2 Do you see that monogamy is one of the qualifications of a bishop in GOD's church? Do you see that a polygamous man is not allowed to lead GOD's church? Does this show that GOD supports polygamy?

A careful and unbiased study of the Bible will reveal that polygamy was never and will never be GOD's plan for man.

DoctorAlien:


This is just like asking me to provide a verse in the Bible where GOD says we should not masturbate or smoke cocaine. But We know that GOD is not in support of these things.

However, consider this: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach..." 1 Tim. 3:2 Do you see that monogamy is one of the qualifications of a bishop in GOD's church? Do you see that a polygamous man is not allowed to lead GOD's church? Does this show that GOD supports polygamy?

A careful and unbiased study of the Bible will reveal that polygamy was never and will never be GOD's plan for man.

thats specifically for the bishop or head's of churhes
t never hinted common men

DoctorAlien:


You're getting yourself confused: are we talking about a man whose wife is dead, or a woman whose husband is dead? I said explicitly that although GOD allowed men to marry many wives, He was never in support of it. It wasn't His original plan for man. And check the whole Bible; nothing good -- absolutely nothing good is ever spoken about polygamy.

In Exod. 21:10, GOD was simply giving guideline on how a man is to treat his first wife if he marries another to avoid mistreating the first wife. Read carefully.

This in itself is another problem of polygamy; assuming a man had only one wife, will there be another woman to mistreat? or to love less?

why would he give a guideline on something he's against?

DoctorAlien:


You're getting yourself confused: are we talking about a man whose wife is dead, or a woman whose husband is dead? I said explicitly that although GOD allowed men to marry many wives, He was never in support of it. It wasn't His original plan for man. And check the whole Bible; nothing good -- absolutely nothing good is ever spoken about polygamy.

In Exod. 21:10, GOD was simply giving guideline on how a man is to treat his first wife if he marries another to avoid mistreating the first wife. Read carefully.

This in itself is another problem of polygamy; assuming a man had only one wife, will there be another woman to mistreat? or to love less?

So in essence, there are things God is not in support of but aren't technically sins?

RosaConsidine:


So in essence, there are things God is not in support of but aren't technically sins?

I would say that there are some things happening today that were not in GOD's original plan.

GOD created Adam a vegetarian, but today we eat meat. Eating clean meat is not a sin. However, meat-eating began only after the Flood, and it was not GOD's original plan.

DoctorAlien:


I would say that there are some things happening today that were not in GOD's original plan.

GOD created Adam a vegetarian, but today we eat meat. Eating clean meat is not a sin. However, meat-eating began only after the Flood, and it was not GOD's original plan.

I'm not liking where this is going. Imagine a household where things are not going according to the plan of the head of the family. Wouldn't you think whatever happens is either part of the head of the family's plans or the person has no power to stop it? And we're talking about human families where some things would definitely be beyond the head of the family's powers to control. How much more God who has absolute power and knowledge and fore-knowledge.

I feel if anything's happening, then it's part of God's plan because the only alternative is that he's powerless to stop it. "Allowing" is permission that is not expressly expressed.

raphieMontella:
There are many christian groups that have evaluated other christian groups to be misguided,,blasphemous,,destined for hell etc..This of course leaves one wondering how this religion could have been supposedly guided by a God,his son and a supernatural inspirator(The holy spirit)...

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In christianity...
The Mormons(church of lattter day saints) say that they are the only true church and other churches are false.. Today Mormons forbid their members from reading any
religious book that is not personally approved by
their church leadership via a special process called
“correlation.”.

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The Roman Catholic Church says that all the other
churches of Christendom are in error; are divided on questions of doctrine; are given over to leaders who are not true shepherds; and doomed to damnation as heretics!.

.The Lutheran,Baptist,Methodist and other
Protestant churches say the Roman Catholic Church
is pagan; idolatrous; anti-scripture; in error; and of
satanic origin!.

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Baptists say that the “infant sprinklers,” they have no remission of sins, and are “damned!”.

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Seventh Day Adventists say the Sunday consecrators have changed the true Sabbath for the pagan “day of the Sun” and are therefore condemned!.

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The Sunday keeping churches say that the Adventists was founded by a false prophetess and that she and her followers are “damned”!.

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The Unitarians say the followers of the trinity are idol worshippers; that the trinity is a pagan,idolatrous concept, taken over from other religions..

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Trinitarians say the Unitarians are ''condemned'' by the literal teachings of the “New testament”
because they do not take the ‘new testament’ literally..

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Jehovah’s Witness’ claim that all other churches and
sects are apostates; demonic; agents of
Babylon―Rome and Satan etc.!.

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Other churches say “Jehovah”s Witnesses”
movement was founded by false prophets;that it mistranslates and
misinterprets scripture just to prove its own erroneous doctrines!.

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The Christadelphians proclaim that all other Christians are in error: that they do not understand the true meaning of the “Bible”; they believe in
fallacy; and are not “true believers”!.

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The Pentecostal groups say all other churches are
spiritually dead!.

Within the pentecostal group..various sects disagree on many issues..
Some say ''females wearing trousers'' is demonic;of the devil and is doing so is a criteria for hell..some disagree..
Some say wearing of ''make ups'',,''earrings'',, are of the devil,,leading to hell and God hates it while some disagree..
Some say putting on anything by females like ''attachments'',,''wigs'' other ones natural hair is sinful and of course leads to hell
.Some say women are be allowed to partake in the core affairs of the church and have no authority over men and women who do so are hell-bound..some disagree.

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While Other churches say the “Pentecostals” are
possessed by “lying spirits” and are under the
influence of mass hysteria!....

.Seriously can a singular non-contradictory ominipotent ''holy spirit'' give such contradictory doctrines to its follower?
If a God who intervenes in human affairs constantly had actually sent his son to commit suicide and sent his holy spirit to inspire followers and start up a church post-Jesus,,christianity would have only only one denomination in a singular dogma as it is a singular spirit who does this inspiration..

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Did Jesus create any of the denomination you mentioned in the bible? Did he create any denomination at all? Denomination is an invention of man that's why you are seeing the conflict of doctrines..
Yes they claim the holy spirit spoke to them but did the holy spirit claim to have spoken to them?
The worship of God is not about church building or denomination. ..

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

honourhim:


Did Jesus create any of the denomination you mentioned in the bible? Did he create any denomination at all? Denomination is an invention of man that's why you are seeing the conflict of doctrines..
Yes they claim the holy spirit spoke to them but did the holy spirit claim to have spoken to them?
The worship of God is not about church building or denomination. ..

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

the funny thing is that they can justify their actions with passages from this same bible

RosaConsidine:


I'm not liking where this is going. Imagine a household where things are not going according to the plan of the head of the family. Wouldn't you think whatever happens is either part of the head of the family's plans or the person has no power to stop it? And we're talking about human families where some things would definitely be beyond the head of the family's powers to control. How much more God who has absolute power and knowledge and fore-knowledge.

I feel if anything's happening, then it's part of God's plan because the only alternative is that he's powerless to stop it. "Allowing" is permission that is not expressly expressed.

Yes, that's the whole point! Sin exists today, but it was never GOD's plan. GOD called everything He created "perfect." Even Satan was once a covering cherub. GOD didn't create him "satan" and GOD never wished Him to become Satan.

However, He has allowed sin reign so man can see the effects of disobeying GOD.

honourhim:


Did Jesus create any of the denomination you mentioned in the bible? Did he create any denomination at all? Denomination is an invention of man that's why you are seeing the conflict of doctrines..
Yes they claim the holy spirit spoke to them but did the holy spirit claim to have spoken to them?
The worship of God is not about church building or denomination. ..

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Did Jesus Create Christianity? Stop being a Hypocrite

I love this thread

udatso:
I love this thread

am with you on dis

DoctorAlien:


This is just like asking me to provide a verse in the Bible where GOD says we should not masturbate or smoke cocaine. But We know that GOD is not in support of these things.

However, consider this: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach..." 1 Tim. 3:2 Do you see that monogamy is one of the qualifications of a bishop in GOD's church? Do you see that a polygamous man is not allowed to lead GOD's church? Does this show that GOD supports polygamy?

A careful and unbiased study of the Bible will reveal that polygamy was never and will never be GOD's plan for man.

This is directed just at bishops na. It's just like a university saying all students of computer science must own a laptop of theirs. It doesn't mean the school is saying all students of the school including those in other departments are required to have laptop. Just that if you intend to study this particular course, this is the prerequisite for it.

So God stating it for Bishops doesn't mean it's also his intention for everyone else.

RosaConsidine:


This is directed just at bishops na. It's just like a university saying all students of computer science must own a laptop of theirs. It doesn't mean the school is saying all students of the school including those in other departments are required to have laptop. Just that if you intend to study this particular course, this is the prerequisite for it.

So God stating it for Bishops doesn't mean it's also his intention for everyone else.

With this argument, one can say that the epistles to the Romans and Corinthians and Ephesians apply only to those people, and not to every Christian.

You see the error in that logic?