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هو في بيتِهم

Toor....baarakallaahu feeki

AbdelKabir:


Toor....baarakallaahu feeki

wa iyyaka.

Will go sleep now.

Salam alaykum

I have a quick question

So majroor is kastrah and it is used to show possession

If I was to say her book or his book, will the rule of majroor still apply?

Her book is kitabuha *at least that's what I learnt* not kitabiha

Mofpearl:
Salam alaykum

I have a quick question

So majroor is kastrah and it is used to show possession

Wa alaykum salaam.....the sign of a ism in majroor is kasrah on its last letter, but its not always caused by possessiveness, harf jarr can also cause it...and there are other reasons too...

If I was to say her book or his book, will the rule of majroor still apply?

Her book is kitabuha *at least that's what I learnt* not kitabiha

If we are to say, Muhammad's book, you'll say "kitabu Muhammadin" the thing being possessed(kitabu) is always in marfoo'u state except something happened to it to change its state to mansoob or majroor, e.g of what will make it mansoob, "The thief stole Muhammad's book" which will be "saraqa As-saariqu kitaaba Muhammadin" e.g of what will make the possessed by majroor, "I'm sitting on Muhammad's book" which will be "Ajlisu 'alaa kitaabi Muhammadin"

You'll notice Muhammad did not change its state, it kept being Muhammadin, which is majroor, so in essence the possessor don't change from majroor like the possessed (as you can see from the above examples)...

But in your question you used pronouns to ask, "his book" will be "kitaabuhu"...

AbdelKabir:


You'll notice Muhammad did not change its state, it kept being Muhammadin, which is majroor, so in essence the possessor don't change from majroor like the possessed (as you can see from the above examples)...

I didn't get this. So the thing that is being possessed is always in marfu and the possessor in mansub. Asides, kitabu muhammed, is there another example of possession asides this? I got the idea that because it shows possession, it should generally be majoor. I just want to clarify if using names is when the possessor becomes majroor.

Mofpearl:


I didn't get this. So the thing that is being possessed is always in marfu and the possessor in mansub.

The theing being possessed is always marfu except something happens to it to change its case to either mansoob or majroor, the possessor(if the name is mentioned and what is used is not a pronoun) is always in majroor, IT NEVEE CHANGE ......that is why I kept saying "Muhammadin"

Now let me transform my three examples to what fits your question...

"Kitaabuhu" his book
"Saraqa as-saariqu kitaabahu" the thief stole his book
"Ajlisu 'alaa kitaabihi" I am sitting on his book

Or

"Kitaabuka" your book
"Saraqa as-saariqu kitaabaka" the thief stole your book
'Ajlis 'alaa kitaabika" I'm sitting on your book...

Asides, kitabu muhammed, is there another example of possession asides this?

Kitaaba Muhammadin, kitaabi Muhammadin.... It depends on what happens...

I got the idea that because it shows possession, it should generally be majoor. I just want to clarify if using names is when the possessor becomes majroor.

The last statement is right..... Names(being possessors) are always in majroor, the case changes when you are using a pronoun....

AbdelKabir:


The theing being possessed is always marfu except something happens to it to change its case to either mansoob or majroor, the possessor(if the name is mentioned and what is used is not a pronoun) is always in majroor, IT NEVEE CHANGE ......that is why I kept saying "Muhammadin"

Now let me transform my three examples to what fits your question...

"Kitaabuhu" his book
"Saraqa as-saariqu kitaabahu" the thief stole his book
"Ajlisu 'alaa kitaabuhi" I am sitting on his book

Why is this buhi and not bihu

Or

"Kitaabuka" your book
"Saraqa as-saariqu kitaabaka" the thief stole your book
'Ajlis 'alaa kitaabika" I'm sitting on your book...



Kitaaba Muhammadin, kitaabi Muhammadin.... It depends on what happens...


The last statement is right..... Names(being possessors) are always in majroor, the case changes when you are using a pronoun....

Got it. Jazakallahu khyran

Mofpearl:


Why is this buhi and not bihu



Got it. Jazakallahu khyran

That was typo error...it should be bihi *I think you know why the ha is carrying hi instead of hu this timr around*

AbdelKabir:


That was typo error...it should be bihi *I think you know why the ha is carrying hi instead of hu this timr around*

No idea but that's fine.

One step at a time.

Jazakallahu khyran

Mofpearl:


No idea but that's fine.

One step at a time.

Jazakallahu khyran

But I've explained it before..... Remember this?↓

AbdelKabir:


But I've explained it before..... Remember this?↓

yeah that's why i said bihu not bihi

I only learnt about the suffix for what I posted if it related to the suffix.

Modified

Got it. Guess I didn't fully understand.

Mofpearl:


yeah that's why i said bihu not bihi

I only learnt about the suffix for what I posted if it related to the suffix.

You didn't read that right......since "ha-un" will carry kasrah because the letter before it "ba-un" carried kasrah, so its "bihi"........anyway if you don't understand yet, then it's understandable, its not easy understanding things like this by just reading texts...

Here is a plus for whoever wants to learn tajweed properly.....download "muqaddima al-jazariyyah" written by Muhammad ibn Al-jazariy Ash-shafee'i, its a book that has series of poems, pls do yourself a favor by memorizing all the poems, I also memorized it when I was learning tajweed and it helped me a lot.....also it has been translated for you so it will aid your memorization, download it HERE


Cc: zarinaAin, k4kenny, mofpearl, Aideesheks....


You can memorize it with any tone of your choice and sing it, that way you don't forget.....

Its not gonna be an easy task, but gaining knowledge has never been easy, you can be memorizing 10 lines at once.....

AbdelKabir:
Here is a plus for whoever wants to learn tajweed properly.....download "muqaddima al-jazariyyah" written by Muhammad ibn Al-jazariyyah Ash-shafee'i, its a book that has series of poems, pls do yourself a favor by memorizing all the poems, I also memorized it when I was learning tajweed and it helped me a lot.....also it has been translated for you so it will aid your memorization, download it HERE


Cc: zarinaAin, k4kenny, mofpearl, Aideesheks....


You can memorize it with any tone of your choice and sing it, that way you don't forget.....

Its not gonna be an easy task, but gaining knowledge has never been easy, you can be memorizing 10 lines at once.....

Jazakumllah khayran.
Really proves to be helpful.

Tefs:


Jazakumllah khayran.
Really proves to be helpful.

Wa iyyak insha Allaah...

You downloaded it today or yesterday?

Jazakallahu khyran

AbdelKabir:


Wa iyyak insha Allaah...

You downloaded it today or yesterday?

Today.
opened the thread with the hope of getting 'expo' tho. had an assignment nd it's tiring to do.

Tefs:


Today.

OK, memorize according to the strength of your memory, my experience with the female gender suggests women are better memorizers....

opened the thread with the hope of getting 'expo' tho.

Expo on what? Do you attend a madrasah?

AbdelKabir:


OK, memorize according to the strength of your memory, my experience with the female gender suggests women are better memorizers....



Expo on what? Do you attend a madrasah?

yup. mu'alim gave me an assignment nd I'm tired of it already. been doing the assignment since on Friday.

Tefs:


yup. mu'alim gave me an assignment nd I'm tired of it already. been doing the assignment since on Friday.

Tired ke?! Don't get tired.......what's the assignment on?

AbdelKabir:


Tired ke?! Don't get tired.......what's the assignment on?

was told to get four examples each from the Qur'an of each alphabets, starting from huruf ilidhzar to ikfahu.. truth is, I'm just tired of writing

Tefs:


was told to get four examples each from the Qur'an of each alphabets, starting from huruf ilidhzar to ikfahu.. truth is, I'm just tired of writing

28*4 = 112 ..... Pele.....

It will improve your writing skills, also, it will make you read the Qur'an carefully......so keep on, when are you submitting it?

AbdelKabir:


28*4 = 112 ..... Pele.....

It will improve your writing skills, also, it will make you read the Qur'an carefully......so keep on, when are you submitting it?

Thursday. it would have been fun if that's the only thing to do sef. abi you should coman help

Tefs:


Thursday. it would have been fun if that's the only thing to do sef

Thursday is around the corner, finish is 'shapaly'

abi you should coman help

Do your thing yourself abeg

AbdelKabir:


Thursday is around the corner, finish is 'shapaly'



Do your thing yourself abeg

that's how this brother won't help a sister out. OK, bye.
I'll soon finish it.

Tefs:


that's how this brother won't help a sister out. OK, bye.
I'll soon finish it.

Were you cained for not finishing the assignment? Today is Thursday....

AbdelKabir:


Were you cained for not finishing the assignment? Today is Thursday....

I'm a good student. finished my assignment. completed my memorization nd I got a thumbs up instead

Tefs:


I'm a good student. finished my assignment. completed my memorization nd I got a thumbs up instead

Hmmmmm....

That's very good.......since when have you started this madrasah sef? And what were you emmm......what were you asked to memorize?

AbdelKabir:


Hmmmmm....

That's very good.......since when have you started this madrasah sef? And what were you emmm......what were you asked to memorize?

2015. but I'm used to doing 'isansa'.
memorization is based on al-'arabiya jare. (when u want to understand Arabic by force)

Tefs:


2015. but I'm used to doing 'isansa'.

.what's isansa?

memorization is based on al-'arabiya jare. (when u want to understand Arabic by force)

Alright baarakallaahu feek..

AbdelKabir:

.what's isansa?

I don't go regularly. isansa means absentee.


Alright baarakallaahu feek..

amin.

Ehhnnmmm... abeg me sef get assignment for my madrasah ooo. Somebody should epp me