zarinaAin:
The ustadh pronounce each word perfectly, the sisters almost bite their tongue. He told us to go and start afresh with the pronunciation of the letters. I wasn't happy when I left the area bcs opportunities like that are rare. My madrasa sisters have improved a lot on their recitation and knowledge.

It's really hard learning without a teacher to correct you. There was a time I spent days on the materials on tajweed (noon sakin, iqlab, izhar) I have. So I went to a ta'alim & twas like I was starting afresh

This is motivating.

lexiconkabir:


that's impressive!!

as-sunnah madrasah? the one at "SANRAB" Ilorin?

No, the one at oko oba, oke odo

Are you ilorin based

zarinaAin:


No, the one at oko oba, oke odo

Are you ilorin based

oh yes! its actually oke odo, monitored by DR AbdulMajeed Alaro..

i actually school in Ilorin.

lexiconkabir:


oh yes! its actually oke odo, monitored by DR AbdulMajeed Alaro..

i actually school in Ilorin.

I schooled in Unilorin also. Now a Corp member in zamfara

zarinaAin:


I schooled in Unilorin also. Now a Corp member in zamfara

thought as much, what department?

In one of Mufti Menk Lecture he said "in the Akhirah, we would be asked to recite the way we do in the dunya & would be elevated up to the place you stopped your memorization ie juz mujadila

So I thought maybe I should the emphasis should be on on memorization with tajweed rather than going for tajweed class (is this ideology, wrong)?

My former ustadh at madrasa Falls in tahqeeq cos he was slow and melodious. Please recommend anyone you know in this category, a nigerian. I need to swap

zarinaAin:
In one of Mufti Menk Lecture he said "in the Akhirah, we would be asked to recite the way we do in the dunya & would be elevated up to the place you stopped your memorization ie juz mujadila

So I thought maybe I should the emphasis should be on on memorization with tajweed rather than going for tajweed class (is this ideology, wrong)?

mufti menk........

anyway, this is the hadeeth he wass talking about,

Abdullaah ibn amr bin Al-as (radiallaaahu anhumaa) reported: The Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “The one who was devoted to the the Qur’an will be told on the Day of Resurrection: `Recite and ascend (in ranks) as you used to recite when you were in the world. Your rank will be at the last Ayah you recite.”’

its in tirmidhi and in Abu dawood(i think).

and this in no way points to only memorization.

lexiconkabir:


mufti menk........

anyway, this is the hadeeth he wass talking about,

Abdullaah ibn amr bin Al-as (radiallaaahu anhumaa) reported: The Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “The one who was devoted to the the Qur’an will be told on the Day of Resurrection: `Recite and ascend (in ranks) as you used to recite when you were in the world. Your rank will be at the last Ayah you recite.”’

its in tirmidhi and in Abu dawood(i think).

and this in no way points to only memorization.

Alright

zarinaAin:
My former ustadh at madrasa Falls in tahqeeq cos he was slow and melodious. Please recommend anyone you know in this category, a nigerian. I need to swap

being sliw does not mean tahqeeq(altho its part of it), tahqeeq means, you don't compromise when you get to rules of tajweed that are not obligatory, like some madd that are not obligatory, you draw it completely as it should be drawn without cutting....as for a Nigerian reciter using tahqeeq, i don't know any, but i have already recommended a popular reciter called "Al-huthayfi" he recites with tahqeeq, try him.

snapscore:
Salam alaykum sister zarinaain

We are both in this together. I am really impressed by how far you've come. I mean you are able to notice differences in recitations. I just thought everyone had a different way of reciting.

Everything I am learning on this thread is completely new to me. I didn't know that Tajweed was compulsory. I've always thought if a person can read Arabic, then they can read the Qur'an. Even when I was memorizing, I didn't listen to a lot of recitations (I just read) and the people I listened to don't recite tahqeeq. I am completely amazed by how much I need to learn.

Make increase us in knowledge
I can relate to what you said. There was a time I almost infuse apala in the recitation, lol

zarinaAin:


Make increase us in knowledge
I can relate to what you said. There was a time I almost infuse apala in the recitation, lol

lol @apala, some people used "fuji" tones

lexiconkabir:


lol @apala, some people used "fuji" tones

Jazakallaahu khairan for the recommendation. I've listened to his recitation and will stick to him

zarinaAin:


Jazakallaahu khairan for the recommendation. I've listened to his recitation and will stick to him

wa iyyaki..

if you notice, his voice, someone sounds like that of husary.

Lol, fuji

those that attended Ile kewu can use igbomina tajweed

lexiconkabir:


wa iyyaki..

if you notice, his voice, someone sounds like that of husary.

You are right. I just hope brother husari won't be jealous. My mathna is on the way

zarinaAin:


You are right. I just hope brother husari won't be jealous. My mathna is on the way

lol, husari(rahimahullaah) is dead, huthayfi is Alive, so the dead can't be jealous, lol....

Thought I might share this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBj-69QjzNg

I noticed in

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وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالْآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ

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He pronounced the nun بِمَا أُنزِلَ but not in مِن قَبْلِكَ I thought ikhfāʼ applies to both.

snapscore:
Thought I might share this

https://ww.w.youtube.com/watch?v=fBj-69QjzNg

I noticed in

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He pronounced the nun بِمَا أُنزِلَ but not in مِن قَبْلِكَ I thought ikhfāʼ applies to both.

it applies to both, you noticed a difference because what preceded the nun saakinah is a dhammah, while the other is a kasrah..

do you get what I'm trying to say?

lexiconkabir:


it applies to both, you noticed a difference because what preceded the nun saakinah is a dhammah, while the other is a kasrah..

do you get what I'm trying to say?

Not really.

Jazakallahu Khyran.

snapscore:


Not really.

Jazakallahu Khyran.

let me say this first, if i make an explanation and it's not clear, call my attention to it, i can reexplain a 100times if need be, thats why i created the thread in the first place.

now, like i said both ز and ق are letters of ikhfaa, so the ruling that applied to ز also applies to ق, if you listen to his recitation carefully (actually i was unable to watch it due to network, listened to the one i have on phone), you'll noticed that he did ghunnah in both, the nun was apparent in both, but more apparent in that of انزل, this is so because, the letter that preceded the nun carries a dhammah, so naturally it made the nun more apparent, the nun is more apparent not because of a particular rule(other than the ikhfaa rule), but should i say reflex action? you know what, try saying "unzila" with ghunnah, then "minqablik" with ghunnah, tell me the one that made the nun more apparent.

lexiconkabir:


let me say this first, if i make an explanation and it's not clear, call my attention to it, i can reexplain a 100times if need be, thats why i created the thread in the first place.

now, like i said both ز and ق are letters of ikhfaa, so the ruling that applied to ز also applies to ق, if you listen to his recitation carefully (actually i was unable to watch it due to network, listened to the one i have on phone), you'll noticed that he did ghunnah in both, the nun was apparent in both, but more apparent in that of انزل, this is so because, the letter that preceded the nun carries a dhammah, so naturally it made the nun more apparent, the nun is more apparent not because of a particular rule(other than the ikhfaa rule), but should i say reflex action? you know what, try saying "unzila" with ghunnah, then "minqablik" with ghunnah, tell me the one that made the nun more apparent.

Ohhhh okay

I get it now.

Jazakalhhau Khiran.

I just don't want to bother people. I know that everyone is busy especially with uni and things.

snapscore:


Ohhhh okay

I get it now.

I hope you did for real..

Jazakalhhau Khiran.

wa iyyaki

I just don't want to bother people. I know that everyone is busy especially with uni and things.

if i am busy, i would say it, or won't even surf NL like i did just of recent...

have you done the pronunciation i asked you to do?

lexiconkabir:



I've you done the pronunciation i asked you to do?

Yeah I understood it.

No I haven't.

I looked up ikhfāʼ and I would be practicing all the noon skinah and tanween rules whilst working on parts of the Qur'an I already memorized.

Asalam alaykum
In the verse 2 of surah al-baqarah. There's this sign I came across, looks like the mathematical "therefore" symbol that occurs at two points in that same verse. I'm sure it's most definitely a stop signs (probably one that is rarely found). And it's not part of the conventional sign I've learnt about. Please what is the principle behind this sign and how is it applied?

AideeSheks:
Asalam alaykum
In the verse 2 of surah al-baqarah. There's this sign I came across, looks like the mathematical "therefore" symbol that occurs at two points in that same verse. I'm sure it's most definitely a stop signs (probably one that is rarely found). And it's not part of the conventional sign I've learnt about. Please what is the principle behind this sign and how is it applied?

Wa alaykum salaam, when it comes, it is usually two(like that of Baqarah you highlighted) that sign is a stop that is optional, you can stop, or not stop; but if you stop, stop at either one of the words, that has the sign on it, NOT both!

snapscore:


Yeah I understood it.

No I haven't.

I looked up ikhfāʼ and I would be practicing all the noon skinah and tanween rules whilst working on parts of the Qur'an I already memorized.

practising a thing makes it part of you, you are practicing it not because you dont understand, but because you are not to forget.

lexiconkabir:


Wa alaykum salaam, when it comes, it is usually two(like that of Baqarah you highlighted) that sign is a stop that is optional, you can stop, or not stop; but if you stop, stop at either one of the words, that has the sign on it, NOT both!

Alright. I understand now
Jazakallahu khairan

Salam alaykum

Does anyone recommend any reciters to learn both tajweed and pace from?

I like Mahmood Khalil Al Husar but I am open to listening to more people and I tend to recite faster than he does.

snapscore:
Salam alaykum

Does anyone recommend any reciters to learn both tajweed and pace from?

I like Mahmood Khalil Al Husar but I am open to listening to more people and I tend to recite faster than he does.

continue with husary...

he'll force you to be slower, that way, you'll be able to reflect when the time comes.

how is ر supposed to be pronounced at certain places in the Quran?

we have tafkheem(heavy) and tarqeeq(light)

whats tafkheem? this is when you pronounce the ر with an "o" shaped mouth i.e a full mouth

what is tarqeeq? this is when you pronounce the ر with a widened mouth i.e empty mouth

tafkheem applies in the following cases;

1.) ر accompanied by fatha or dhammah e.g رَسول pronounced as "rosool", غيره pronounced as "ghayruh" , من رَّبك pronounced. as "mir robbik"

2.) ر accompanied with "sukoon" and the letter before it carries a dhammah and fatha (note: kasrah was not mentioned because it has a special case) e.g تُرْجعون and والاَرْض.

3.) ر accompanied with sukoon and the letter before it caries a kasrah. Now this is a special case because for it to be read with full mouth, the following letters must follow the "raa" that has sukoon; ق غ خ ض ظ ص ط if we notice each of these letters are normally pronounced with full mouth(i.e "o" shaped) e.g مِرْصادًا and فِرْقة

4.) ر with sukoon, either kasrah or dhammah & either kasratain or dhammatain at a stop(or where you wish to stop due to breaking of breath) or at the end of an ayah, if waw or alif madd comes before the raa, then its pronounced with full mouth. e.g شكُورٌ pronounced as "shukoor"(note that since you are stopping you won't say "shukoorun but shukoor) another example is بالكفّارٍ read as "bil kuffaar"(with full mouth, note: i didn't bring this example from the Qur'an, its just an example).

thats all for tafkheem, call my attention to any misunderstanding

will continue with tarqeeq in a bit...

ر is read with empty mouth(i.e tarqeeq – lightly) in the following cases;

1.) when ر is accompanied by a kasrah e.g أبْصارهم and بنُورِهم

2.) ر accompanied with sukoon and the letter before it carries kasrah but the seven letters mentioned in tafkheem(see number 3 in tafkheem) do not follow the "raa sukoon", then its read empty mouth, e.g يَغْفِرلكم and فِرعَونَ

3.) ر with sukoon, either kasrah or dhammah & either kasratain or dhammatain at a stop(or where you wish to stop due to breaking of breath) or at the end of an ayah, if yaa madd comes before the raa, then its read with empty mouth, e.g قديرٌ read as qodeer, زُبَيرٌ read as "zubair"(note: i didnt pick this example from the Qur'an)

That's all for tarqeeq and ultimately the rules of pronouncing raa