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Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 1:39am On Jan 14, 2010 |
sjeezy8: I won't take you insulting my brothers from Imo and Abia states. Your brother Dr Olukoya may be my Christian father, but I would not stop defending my people. I won't warn you again. We are one Igbo from Igbanke in Edo, to all other Igbos in South east and south south. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by sjeezy8: 1:53am On Jan 14, 2010 |
shuttup you sound like your name is ifeoma grow some nutts |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 1:57am On Jan 14, 2010 |
sjeezy8: The nuts sissies like you never had. Do you even know what a nut looks like? You wouldn't recognize one even as large as an elephent. Mkpi muo! I wish I can get my hands on your sissy cowardly a's's. id'ot't! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by sjeezy8: 2:02am On Jan 14, 2010 |
<------------------ Ignoring Onlylies from now on, hes a she. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 2:18am On Jan 14, 2010 |
sjeezy8: I was ignoring your cowardly a's's and you kept flying around me like a blood sucking tse tse fly that you are. So why are you running now, idi'ot'. I don't blame you, sometimes i wish we have a war in Nigeria so that all your types will be killed off. I know, because you will be stuck in 1966-67 until the war is over. fo'olish maggot! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by sjeezy8: 2:20am On Jan 14, 2010 |
hmmm im hungry |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by bkbaybe99: 2:26am On Jan 14, 2010 |
Edruezzi: HAHAHAHAHAHAH. lol. hahahhahahaha. ure a fool for that statement. hahahahaha. I thot the same when I read the book 'EMEKA', I was like how the hell werent these kids wiped out in 15 days ,max? i Guess the Nigerian army was taking its time doing target shot practice.lol. PS: I like garri. Altho I think when u drink it it looks disgusting . I like when hot water is added and its hard and u can mold it. It makes me tired, lazy, and sleepy tho.lol |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Edruezzi: 7:19am On Jan 14, 2010 |
Brave, Biafrans, @Only Truth, one of my parents is from Anambra State. The other one is an American citizen. @Eziachi, Maps are important. Countries don’t float on air. Biafra people surely do know themselves. Such as my second cousin, a fifteen year old at the time, arguing with me about Biafra until I told him how geography alone made the entire project impractical and he shut up, at least in my presence. You simply can’t go around with a name for a country and a flag if you don’t have a territory. It’s why this newfound Biafra consciousness is absurd. I was in Anambra yesterday. Ojukwu is prominent on campaign banners for Peter Obi. A quote on one of the banners declares that having the people vote for Obi is Ojukw’s last wish. Only Africans could worship a man who brought such disaster on his people, a man who pushed some rioting up to the level of a shooting war. Meanwhile you all complain about not having an Igbo president of Nigeria. Well, what will the non-Igbo make of a place like Anambra that's had four governors in six years? As for the man who says he likes garri, well, here’s a correction. At the end of the Biafra war the soldiers were living on three cups of garri in two weeks. It prompts one to ask a question: in the name of what? 2 million people died because Ojukwu did not like the idea of obeying orders from a lower ranked officer. Also a generation of military officers of Igbo origin realized that their careers were over as far as the Nigerian military was concerned, so they figured carving out their own country was better. If you like garri, given the popilation increase, another Biafra won't even have enough of that. I don't know if you guys noticed but Northern farmers feed the Igbo people. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 8:14am On Jan 14, 2010 |
Edruezzi: You are right about the bolded quotes but you are wrong about others. Really. Do you know why I said that you are wrong? There was a Biafra between 1967 and 1970. It is still listed in database of African states online. That country was very real because apart from the innocent victims of war crimes (women, children and old people who starved to death because of an imposed blockade) other Biafrans really believed in it and fought for it on the war front, from Nsukka to Calabar and parts of Rivers state. Now, I know that because of the defeat of Biafra, some folks from former Biafran territory distance themselves from current agitation, I know that will not continue when Nigeria finally starts disintegrating. Suddenly those people will have to choose where to go and how to stay strong in a new state. I would want my village to be a country too, but it is viable? Can I survive if the next country comes to colonize me? You know, real hard questions devoid of pecuniary childish thoughts. Only then can you say for sure who will be where. As for now, Biafra is the map of 1967-70. The day that is finally proven nonviable, there will be a new name for any other country emerging.
Your line of reasoning here clearly marks you out as non easterner. You said one of your parents is from Anambra but you failed to tell me whether your other parent is a natural born American or a naturalized citizen. There is a difference and you know it.
Another comment that tells me there is no way you are Igbo. Or you may have been deceived about what happened. I would advise you to ask questions. You say you are in Anambra (which I strongly doubt). Just ask anyone there above 50 years what happened in 1966. Stop peddling lies here. If not for Ojukwu sending a military unit to Sabon Gari Kano in 1966, my family would have been wiped out (and I won't exist). If the killing of some 30,000 people is not a declaration of war, then the term has no meaning. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Abagworo(m): 8:41am On Jan 14, 2010 |
What ojukwu did is same as what some of my ijaw friends are trying to do.violence cannot give you freedom in 2010.that biafran war was okay at 1st as a form of self-defense.but ojukwus refusal to let go when it was clear that the war would easily be lost coupled with his running away at the last minute makes him irrelevant to me.he is definitely not my hero.my heroes are those people who died fighting for their survival. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 8:52am On Jan 14, 2010 |
Abagworo: If it was ok at all, then, let's leave the speculation. No one knows for sure what would have become of Easterners after 1966. Even if we willingly surrendered, you think today would be any different? Look at the Niger delta today. It would likely be worse because our oppressors will have us(we Igbos and other minorities of the east) for the picking. We would effectively be enslaved in Nigeria. Today, the respect we have in Nigeria is because we fought for long with bare hands. So our enemies often wonder what would happen if we are well armed. Yes, even today, our respect in Nigeria stem from 1966. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by FACE(m): 9:37am On Jan 14, 2010 |
Biafran war was forced upon the easterners when more than 30,000 men, women and children were killed and the govt looked the other way. There were northerners in Biafra until the end of the war and those wishing to leave before the declaration of Biafra were given military escort by Ojukwu to ensure their safe transit to the north. Gowon could have done the same but did not do so, and the massacre of easterners continued. Put in the same situation, Ndi Igbo would fight again. We lost the war but not in shame. We earned our respect and our bouncebackability has continued to astound our detractors. Why is it a nice wish to have a Republic of Southern Nigeria but a taboo to wish for Biafra. Dem tie us and una with rope ? "Me too" syndrome is a bad. Biafra is not workable, Biafra no get land, Biafra this, Biafra that , haba. Must you take another mans medicine for him ? You hold us to a different standard all the time and you think it is fair. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 9:55am On Jan 14, 2010 |
For those who wonder what would have happened if Ojukwu simply rolled over for Gowon in 1967, the likely scenario is really frightening for the Niger delta. If Ojukwu had surrendered, there would never have been a 12 states (Rivers and South east states) created to divide and weaken the east. And because Igbos would have been effectively neutralized in the emerging scenario, the north would then pounce on the Niger delta and kill off anyone who ever challenges the new order of things (like they did to Adaka Boro and are threatening to continue even today). Bottomline is that we Ndigbo won't be so hated by some of the people we fought to protect and it would be open season on Niger delta resources by the north and her allies in the west. Today I laugh at those who chant Niger delta without remembering this history. Ndigbo fought for Niger delta and would do that again if necessary. Like I keep saying, Ojukwu fought a noble course and lost. We Ndigbo will continue to revere him for that! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Nobody: 11:01am On Jan 14, 2010 |
how soon before those collapse into other nation states split along ethnic and religious lines ? |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Eziachi: 11:52pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
Edruezzi:It is difficult to answer you because you are all over the place, if you want to argue over an issue, just stick with that it issue and not jumping from South Pole to the North Pole without making sense. You started by asking me to draw the map of Biafra to justify your evil inclination you are about to release but I knew you plan that is why I stand by what I told you that every man that lives knows his root and where he comes from. Biafrans knew themselves, the same way one of your parent knew he is an American without becomerich’s map. Then you jump into telling one parent of your is Anambra and another is American as if Anambra is a nation. Where was your Anambra part of parentage during that war? What was his/she contribution? I like people who are open about who they are and not shameless fools that hide their identity because they are afraid of their shadow. You are not the first neither will you be the last that will have his opinion on Ojukwu. Losing a war is not a crime, what is crime is doing nothing in the face adversity. Our ancestors say, “A helpless sheep taking to the slaughter, even though he may not escape the knife of his killer, will scratch as much as he can, so that when the story is told, his offspring will knew he did something at least”. We scratched along with Ojukwu without guns, food for three years with all the odd against the super powers of the Soviet, Britain, plus the Arab nation and the Nigerian regular army. We did ourselves pride, because I personally knew what the sound of a gun in battle sounds like, what it mean to have a heavy shell drop and explode few feet from you and you fight on because it better to die with dignity than to live with humiliation at home. That is why I asked where your father was during the war? I went to fight at the age of 18 so that you can have the freedom to write today on the internet. Ojukwu has done his bit as 30 years old young man handed the task by his people to defend them from wipe out and spent his inheritance on us. If you think, he has not done enough, you can better his did or your father should have done better. Our people say, “A young woodpecker that taunts his father as weak pecker, should do better than his father by cutting down a tree to justify his taunts” Today Yoruba wants a confederation, but Ojukwu gave it to them on a platter in Aburi. Ijaw want resources control today but Ojukwu handed it to them on a plate in Aburi. I have no time for you, until at least you identify your true colours or your true age. Because, let face it, you should listen more to that your 15 years old cousin, as he has more brain that you will ever have. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Edruezzi: 4:42am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Hello, @Eziachi, thank you for your reply. We’ll get knee deep into the discussion of that right away. Available documentation shows that the Biafra war was not forced upon the Igbo. After the brutal massacres of Igbo in the North, a period of quiet ensued, during which a Gowon who realized the import of what had happened tried to placate Ojukwu and the Eastern elite. The evidence indicates that Ojukwu and a small group of Eastern elites had started planning secession at least by August 1966, however. Aburi was a diversionary tactic or at least diplomatic window dressing. Whatever was agreed there was irrelevant, given that the high Igbo elite were bent on seceding anyway. The most that can be said is that Gowon’s creation of states on May 27 1967 forced Ojukwu and that elite to declare Biafra on May 30, earlier than they had envisaged. It was necessary to do that because Ojukwu’s authority would have started eroding rapidly if people waited. War is a costly and hazardous undertaking. Meanwhile, a people’s believing in a cause and fighting for it on the war front does not guarantee victory, and does not mean that the cause was sound to begin with. The concept of Biafra was so simple that illiterate peasant boys understood it. The problem is that in a complex world answers are never simple. The question of the soundness of the Biafran option boils down to this: was full-scale war the only way to guarantee the safety of Igbo people in 1967, as Ojukwu’s independence broadcast said? Was leading the Igbo people, ill equipped, with no modern arms industry, no technology competitive with Western arms technology, into a war that cost 2 million lives a justifiable means of protecting people from pogroms that killed 30,000? I will not impose an answer on you. Answer it for yourself. What I’ll add is that the pogroms gave Ojukwu and the Biafran elite carte blanche to push the people to the limit of endurance, even after it was clear that prolonging the war was not achieving anything. The leaders could always scare the people by reminding them that the Hausa were coming to wipe them out. Meanwhile, rioting that kills 30,000 is not a declaration of war. There is a gulf between anarchic mob slaughter and war. I have some military training so I respect war as formalized destruction. The Northern elite was trying to terrorize the Igbo living in the North. They were not looking to start a war. One poster argues that my writing indicates I cannot be an Easterner. On the contrary, it is my being an Easterner that prompts my skeptical attitude toward the Ojukwu mythology. I don’t like the idea of Igbos dying to achieve political objectives that are not viable. Meanwhile, I continue to believe that fighting a losing war weakened the Igbo position in Nigeria. As for the alleged nobility of Ojukwu’s cause, why did he keep Colonel Hilary Njoku, at the start of the war the highest ranking Biafran officer and commander of the Biafra army, in house arrest for almost all of the war? Well, it was because Njoku was not only of higher rank than Ojukwu, he opposed the war from the start. He supported secession but realized war would be disastrous and told Ojukwu so. Read his wife Rose Njoku’s book Withstand the Storm. About 3 weeks before the actual fighting in the war began Obafemi Awolowo and a high powered delegation of mostly Yoruba visited Enugu. They met with Ojukwu and senior Biafran leaders for talks during most of the working day of their visit. Secession was not brought up during those talks. Late at night Ojukwu and some aides and senior officials went to the guest chalets where Awolowo and his team were staying and informed them that the East was seceding and there was no going back. Awolowo then remarked that therefore the talks of the entire day had been a waste of time. ojukuw said he had only deigned to meet with Awolowo because of Awo’s personage. (The source of this is Wole Soyinka’s book You Must Set Forth At Dawn.) Meanwhile, there was no plan to wipe out the Igbo on their home territory. That kind of thing would have called for a coordinated operation where perhaps millions of jobless youths from the North, West and Midwest would have been shipped to the East to kill people. Meanwhile, I continue to puzzle over the Ojukwu cult of personality. It is irrational. As for what my Anambra relations did during the war I’ll be upfront about that. My father was a student in Czechoslovakia and Germany during the war. My father’s younger brother fought on the Biafra side and rose to the rank of captain and he was killed in action during the war. Don’t preach to me about sacrifice. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Edruezzi: 4:56am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Personally, I don’t care what Igbos do for or against Biafra. Igbo culture is dead. In forty years it's greatest cultural export has been the crude and brain dead Nollywood home movie. Compare that with America's cultural conquest of the globe, to the extent that the death of a black American, MJ, shut down the Internet. Compare that with the American flag flying on the moon. I guess everyone has the right to hurl dumb kids against machineguns to address political and ethnic grievances. If they’re fighting I hope to be as far from it as possible. It’s not my war. America became the envy of the world although there is no specific American ethnicity. It’s a lot of people from all over the world, and more are still going there. if the Igbo think pure ethnicity is the future they are wrong. If niggers are too dumb to make Nigeria work, because of tribalism, well, I hope you at least manage to cull your exploding population. Fight a good, bloody war so you can stop invading the Western world out of hunger. Yup, a lot of those Naija people in the West today left because they could literally not eat anymore in their country. The Biafra cause was shitty in ’67 and still will be shitty. My only problem is bloodshed. Only people with military training truly hate war. Well, maybe 5 million of you will die (according to a RAND Corporation simulation), and since you have that magical Igbo “bouncebackability”, which Anambra didn’t seem to exhibit as I travelled through it, you’ll start the forty five year cycle of getting ready for another one. Maybe that my little cousin will get his chance to kill some Hausa niggers. LONG LIVE BIAFRA LONG LIVE THE IGBO PEOPLE |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Edruezzi: 5:10am On Jan 15, 2010 |
As for your woodpecker quote, maybe I should tell you that I have only contempt for ancient sayings of dead cultures. What the Bleep do I care what the old people said. They are the problem. A culture that exports only desperate people is dead. It has failed to survive as a culture. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 6:05am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Edruezzi: Do you see how you contradict and blackmail yourself all over! First, you insult and mock an entire people and their noble legacy and history, then you somersault into chanting their slogans! And still claim to be one of them! You openly mock and ridicule the death of your own uncle and expect airheads to believe that you are Igbo! That is what we Igbos call drinking palm wine with the buffalo horns that killed your father. You don't know that because you are as Igbo as Benjamin Adekunle and Murtala Muhammed. Dude what in the world are you smoking! So my turn to ask you, what is the solution to Igbo situation in Nigeria? Let me help name some problems: (1) Quota system : A system that says that a northerner with less qualification must get a job before me (2) Federal Character: Its evil twin (3) Resource control: Stealing of other peoples resources and developing other sections of the country I don't blame you. An Anambra man impregnated your Akata mum and ran away, suddenly every Igbo has to pay for it! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 6:25am On Jan 15, 2010 |
Edruezzi: It is the exports like you that is dead. Our culture thrives on I've come across many East Africans and West Africans (Kenyans, Ethiopians and Somalians, Gambians, Senegalese and others) who can speak passable Igbo language just from watching the Nollywood movies you vilify. Goat! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Onlytruth(m): 6:27am On Jan 15, 2010 |
For your last information, Edru[size=14pt]ezzi[/size] Ezi means pig in Igbo. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by ezeagu(m): 9:38pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
Onlytruth: Eduruezzi---Aturu na ezi Onlytruth: Please don't legitimize his 'argument'. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by MrCrackles(m): 10:23pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
I will be surprised if Nigeria doesnt collapse before 2013. . . . |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by ezeagu(m): 10:27pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
MrCrackles: Really? You know how Nigerians are sluggish and give up easily on anything not involved with hard currency. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by MrCrackles(m): 10:30pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
ezeagu:I gave up on Nigeria a very longtime ago. . . . Hard currencies, i dont give a damn!!! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Edruezzi: 12:41am On Jan 17, 2010 |
The solution to the Igbo problem in Nigeria is development. If Igbo were as advanced as you believe you are you would own the country. 250,000 whites in Zimbabwe out of a population of 12 million controlled 98% of the land until Mugabe’s seizures ruined not only the whiter farmers but his country. Throughout the Apartheid era whites were a minority in South Africa. I wonder what Ian Smith, who led Zimbabawe during its racist era, had to say about the country after Mugabe's land seizures. The white's in South Africa built nuclear power stations by the 1980s. The people and culture I have observed as I travel through the East here don’t exhibit that kind of capability. You can’t buy a plastic bottle of Coke out here. On the other hand if you think war will save you, you have the right to do that too. It ain't my problem. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by kettykin: 2:34pm On Jan 04, 2013 |
blacksta: THE Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra (MASSOB) has predicted the disintegration of Nigeria in 2013, saying that the six geopolitical zones of the country will become independent states. I am waiting to see if this prophecy will come to pass this year |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by omiobo: 5:38pm On Jan 04, 2013 |
Beaf: brother oyoyo!! |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Duru1(m): 6:31pm On Jan 04, 2013 |
Abagworo: What ojukwu did is same as what some of my ijaw friends are trying to do.violence cannot give you freedom in 2010.that biafran war was okay at 1st as a form of self-defense.but ojukwus refusal to let go when it was clear that the war would easily be lost coupled with his running away at the last minute makes him irrelevant to me.he is definitely not my hero.my heroes are those people who died fighting for their survival. How could anybody who directs edibles to his\her mouth remotely insinuate the Ojukwu’s actions in 1966 correlate with the silly madness perpetrated by Ijo? It is even a display of crass idiocy for a person to assume the matter of self-defense, hence war, is baking bread in the oven and moment the heat is unbearable the baker should abscond. If Ojukwu had failed to stand up against the aggressors in 1966, most loudmouthed jackasses in Nigeria would have been flexing their muscle for a fight presently. Today, even the dumbasses have realized that civil war is not a walk in the park. I never thought for a moment that Ojukwu's insistence to the strict adherence to rules, principles and meritocracy was just to become anybodies hero. It is unfortunate Nigeria is worse off today than it was in 1966. There is a reason for rampant disregards for constituted authority in Nigeria. Why would any Nigerian adhere to strict rules and principles when the so-called leaders such as Gowon circumvented the social decorum while bigots supported him? |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by Afam4eva(m): 6:35pm On Jan 04, 2013 |
@omiobo Enjoy you 2 hours ban. |
Re: Nigeria ’ll Collapse 2013 - Massob - Says Biafra, Oduduwa, Arewa ’ll Emerge by DuduNegro: 6:54pm On Jan 04, 2013 |
kettykin: lol. im waiting with you. madu was high on snuff when he released that statement. |
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