Are ahmidiyans true Muslims?

Here comes this queation again.

First, there are 3 categories of people I know that Allah refered to in HOLY QURAN, the Al-lul khitab (people of the book), khufar (unbelievers) and believers (Muslim). So, to say someone is not a Muslim, you ask yourself who is a Muslim.

There are tons of unfounded rumour flowing around. Some people even said they don't recite surat Ihklas well ( I actually heard this from my younger sister). I decided to make findings, started praying with them and reading their book. The first thing that struck and captured me was their Friday sermon, very detailed, educative and no ceremony. That was my very first Friday prayer with them. Since then, I moved closer to them and I even discovered they practice Sunnah than most people with just appearance to show for it. This experience has made me to always verify rumours.

Yes, there are some grey areas of believe I agreed, but that is basically on interpretation of Quran. On this, they are not the only one.

The same way a non Muslim would think Muslims are violent and destructive based on happenings and misinformation around. You and I know that is far from the truth, but no matter what you say to non Muslims, they will not believe until they experience it. No need for story. It is a mordern age, there are loads of information to verify any claim. More still, it is not bad to move closer to them and know what they do. Yoruba will say 'Isunmoni la n mo ise eni, eni to ko sunmo wa ko le mo bi a se n se'

Enough of this segregative and divisive question.

Ahmadiyyahs are not considered Moslems and that's consensus.

sheffyUTD:
Here comes this queation again.

First, there are 3 categories of people I know that Allah refered to in HOLY QURAN, the Al-lul khitab (people of the book), khufar (unbelievers) and believers (Muslim). So, to say someone is not a Muslim, you ask yourself who is a Muslim.

There are tons of unfounded rumour flowing around. Some people even said they don't recite surat Ihklas well ( I actually heard this from my younger sister). I decided to make findings, started praying with them and reading their book. The first thing that struck and captured me was their Friday sermon, very detailed, educative and no ceremony. That was my very first Friday prayer with them. Since then, I moved closer to them and I even discovered they practice Sunnah than most people with just appearance to show for it. This experience has made me to always verify rumours.

Yes, there are some grey areas of believe I agreed, but that is basically on interpretation of Quran. On this, they are not the only one.

The same way a non Muslim would think Muslims are violent and destructive based on happenings and misinformation around. You and I know that is far from the truth, but no matter what you say to non Muslims, they will not believe until they experience it. No need for story. It is a mordern age, there are loads of information to verify any claim. More still, it is not bad to move closer to them and know what they do. Yoruba will say 'Isunmoni la n mo ise eni, eni to ko sunmo wa ko le mo bi a se n se'

Enough of this segregative and divisive question.

How bout the beliefs tied around ghulam Ahmad?

AbdelKabir:
Ahmadiyyahs are not considered Moslems and that's consensus.

So there are people who determined who is who Eh yah, Sorry!!! By the way, between you and who

WTF! I've began to sound defensive Never mind, I just hate division.

sheffyUTD:


[/b]Yes, there are some grey areas of believe[b] I agreed, but that is basically on interpretation of Quran. On this, they are not the only one.

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How bout the beliefs tied around ghulam Ahmad?[/quote]

Pls read

sheffyUTD:


So there are people who determined who is who Eh yah, Sorry!!! By the way, between you and who

The ijma'(consensus) of the ummah scholars is infallible, I didn't say this, the prophet sallallâhu aleihi was salaam did when he said his ummah can't agree on misguidance.

WTF! I've began to sound defensive Never mind, I just hate division.

So people with different system of belief should unite?

Allâh subhanahu was ta'ala says in sura al-Hashr about people that try to unite by all means even though their hearts are not together;

"Their enmity among themselves is severe. You (will) think they are together, but their hearts are far from each other. That is because they are a people without sense"

sheffyUTD:



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How bout the beliefs tied around ghulam Ahmad?

Pls read

So it is in harmony with the Qur'an that we have another prophet after Muhammad?

AbdelKabir:


The ijma'(consensus) of the ummah scholars is infallible, I didn't say this, the prophet sallallâhu aleihi was salaam did when he said his ummah can't agree on misguidance.

So people with different system of belief should unite?

Allâh subhanahu was ta'ala says in sura al-Hashr about people that try to unite by all means even though their hearts are not together;

"Their enmity among themselves is severe. You (will) think they are together, but their hearts are far from each other. That is because they are a people without sense"

AbdelKabir:


So it is in harmony with the Qur'an that we have another prophet after Muhammad?

Let me help you. There is Hamadiya Movement and there is Ahmadiya Jamaat, in these two, there are also fundamental differences. The major one is Ahmadiya Jamaat.

The first believe the word 'ahtam nabiyun' (sorry for the written style) does not mean the seal of the prophet but highest of rank among prophets. The latter is silent on 'ahtam nabiyun' meaning. It rather emphasises on the resurrection of prophet Isha (AS). Their believe is according to the incidents and signs that Prophet Mohammed (SAW) said would mark the time of birth of return of Prophet Isha (AS). The incidents and signs that happened when Mahadi (AS) - hope you don't find that offensive - was born is the foundation of their believe. They do not however belive he's another prophet but return of Isah (AS).

Like I earlier said, it is purely interpretation of Quran and to some large extent, hadith. I hope you understand the narration. And pls, the word 'of different believes' is awkward and out of context.

sheffyUTD:




Let me help you. There is Hamadiya Movement and there is Ahmadiya Jamaat, in these two, there are also fundamental differences. The major one is Ahmadiya Jamaat.

Sorry I had to strike that out, the op was clear with the question, he said "ahmadiyyah" and I'm speaking in respect to that, as for "hamadiyyah" mind bringing proof for this "movement"?

The first believe the word 'ahtam nabiyun' (sorry for the written style) does not mean the seal of the prophet but highest of rank among prophets. The latter is silent on 'ahtam nabiyun' meaning. It rather emphasises on the resurrection of prophet Isha (AS). Their believe is according to the incidents and signs that Prophet Mohammed (SAW) said would mark the time of birth of return of Prophet Isha (AS). The incidents and signs that happened when Mahadi (AS) - hope you don't find that offensive - was born is the foundation of their believe. They do not however belive he's another prophet but return of Isah (AS).

The word used is خاتم gotten from the root word ختم which means " finished" , "end" , "seal" and so on, no dictionary you will put ختم and get "highest rank" as the meaning....

Like I earlier said, it is purely interpretation of Quran and to some large extent, hadith. I hope you understand the narration. And pls, the word 'of different believes' is awkward and out of context.

The prophet clearly said there will be no prophet after me, the prophet can't contradict the Qur'an, so the interpretation is not in harmony with the Quran.

@bold, how? Does it make sense for people with different beliefs to unite?

AbdelKabir:


Sorry I had to strike that out, the op was clear with the question, he said "ahmadiyyah" and I'm speaking in respect to that, as for "hamadiyyah" mind bringing proof for this "movement"?

Oh well my error pls. I did not realised I spelt it differently. I meant the same thing.

The word used is خاتم gotten from the root word ختم which means " finished" , "end" , "seal" and so on, no dictionary you will put ختم and get "highest rank" as the meaning....

you should know that interpretation and understanding is divine.

The prophet clearly said there will be no prophet after me, the prophet can't contradict the Qur'an, so the interpretation is not in harmony with the Quran.

I refer you to the 'Ahmadiya Jamaat' doctrine as above. Interpretation.

@bold, how? Does it make sense for people with different beliefs to unite?

In all, please learn more about the people you criticize. Salam!

sheffyUTD:


Oh well my error pls. I did not realised I spelt it differently. I meant the same thing.

Confusionist!

you should know that interpretation and understanding is divine.

Is that what you've been told to believe? Who made this divine interpretation? Ghulam Ahmad right? You are beginning to expose your self little by little, the prophet clearly said in his last sermon that we should beware of false prophets and that no prophet will come after him, so which other interpretation do we need?

But since you said its a divine interpretation, you have to tell us who gave the interpreter wahy(revelation) to interpret it that way..

In all, please learn more about the people you criticize. Salam!

I know alot about them and with what I'm seeing you are an ahmadi to believe that Muhammad isnt the seal of prophets.....

Leave the path you are upon, its a destructive path, Allaah says "...do not die as anything except as Muslims"...

sheffyUTD:


In all, please learn more about the people you criticize. Salam!

Just a random question,

Are you an Ahmadi?

Confusionist

Very unfortunate! So this is what you could came up with for accepting to spelling error Weldone Bro. ABDKABIR

Is that what you've been told to believe? Who made this divine interpretation?

Ghulam Ahmad right?

Pls read your Quran, you will see it. Knowledge and understanding is divine!

You are beginning to expose your self little by little, the prophet clearly said in his last sermon that we should beware of false prophets and that no prophet will come after him, so which other interpretation do we need?

But since you said its a divine interpretation, you have to tell us who gave the interpreter wahy(revelation) to interpret it that way..

I thought we are exchanging opinions, not me versus them

I know alot about them and with what I'm seeing you are an ahmadi to believe that Muhammad isnt the seal of prophets.....

If you claim to know alot them and you do not know there is; Ahmadiyah movement & Ahmadiyh Jamat' then you need to re-examine what you know. Knowledge goes beyond group discussion sir.

For the second bolded and what difference does it make being an Ahmadi, Tablik, Tijaniyah, Qodriyah, and others. . . I pray and I know strongly it is accpted. Please where in my post I have said that Muhammed (SAW) is not the seal of Prophethood

Leave the path you are upon, its a destructive path, Allaah says "...do not die as anything except as Muslims"...

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With this conclision of yours, I can say no more words. So the 'people of the book' that Allah says in the Quran to be pious are also on which path my mallam . . . Be no judge of others for Allah know the best of you. . . Ma Salam!

lexiconkabir:


Just a random question,

Are you an Ahmadi?

Mansha Allah I am a muslim.