gearcoin:

I can now see u did not understand it at all. Well I cant force you understand my points.

The quesion to answer and clarify is,, give strong evidences from hadith or Quran that categorise bidiah after all, shirk can be. Categorise from shariah.
If you categorise bidiah, who categorise it ? Is it from people thinking

lexiconkabir:


Yes, the thing that makes you a salaf follower, is following every single understanding of the deen that they had, once you deviate from one, you are not on the path any longer.

Who is your uztadh? Rosheed Mustopha or Muhammad Ali Janata?

lexiconkabir:


Its from ijma', the prophet said ijma' is infallible, hope you know that?

Scholars are the inheritors of the prophet.

gearcoin:

Yes only scholar that back his point with valid facts. There are many fake scholars now a days . so follow the one that give u the valid reasons from shariah.

gearcoin:


Remember , it is only what rosul and ijma sahaba teaches we cant questioned.

gearcoin:



Pls kindly show me ijma that categorise bidiah ?

lexiconkabir:


OK o, Albanee is a fake scholar, ibn uthaymeen is a fake scholar, ibn baaz is a fake scholar, ibn taymiyyah is a fake scholar, solih fawzaan is a fake scholar, ubayd is a fake scholar shinqeeti is a fake scholar, munajid is a fake scholar, bukhari is a fake scholar, Ahmad bin hanbali is a fake scholar, every scholar of salafiyyah are fake scholars because they all agreed that bidah of two types.

gearcoin:

Lol

All your evidences above are not from thos salafis . don't twist my words o.
Oya, reference their support facts one by one , I have time to go through them one by one.
Remember , if any salafy bring any facts without strong evidence from shariah we tend to reject it.

IT IS ONLY IJMAA SHAABAH AND ROSUL FACTS YOU CANT DISPUTE. I REPEAT , U CANT DISPUTE THEM.

gearcoin:
Infact , I love those salafis u quoted more than you think.
The always quoted their facts from shariah.

lexiconkabir:


I can't be going back and forth, any sincere reader would've seen the truth right from the case of Abu israil

Anyway this thread shows some of their comments https://www.nairaland.com/3316365/does-all-bidah-innovation-take

gearcoin:

Bro, u need to finish what you started. Cited evidences from the salafis u mentioned

Contact17:


It's in the link he posted. I had a look at it.

Jazakallhu Khiran @lexiconkabir

lexiconkabir:


If you love them as you claimed, then read that thread I posted, you'll see some of their comments.

I'm done.

gearcoin:

Ok.I will look into it. I will reply you from my finding from them.
You are not done o. What of if I have questions.

suledes:
All of you arguing here, and your leaders are not muslims. You are just sects using Islam by claiming ranks, and superiority to achieve worldly gains.




You defied Allah's assertion in the Holy Qur'an, ''Inaladhina faraqu dinahum wakanu shiya'an....''

Translation-Those who claim sect in their religion, they are on there own....


Even, there is a verse in the Qur'an which says. ''Inamal mumineena Ikhwatun....

Translation-Every Muslim believer are brothers....

Therefore, you people claiming Sect (Ahl Sunnah or Ahl Aqeedah, Ahl Salafis or Ahl Wahabis, Ahl Haqeeqah or Toriqa, Ahl Quraniyuun etc) under the umbrella of Islam are Ignorant, and deviating from Islamic Doctrine.


Alhamdulillah, I am a Muslim without sect.

lexiconkabir:


Brother I'm done, jabatawis and haddadis will always have wahy from shaytan that they will use to twist, and I'm not ready for that, sincere readers must've gotten their answers.

gearcoin:


Ahaa ! See this bro . I know your type . who is jabatawis or haddadis ? Oh I see! You wrote a beautiful articles with valid proof at the begiining and at the end you Bleep it up with your own reasoning that does not grounded in hadith or Quran . leave jabati or hadiddy or wat ever you call yourself, give us strong evidence to acclaim that bidiah can be categorise. Simple

I will come back here and quote you verse by verse to counter all your aclaim evidence at the beginning of or post. I just finished reading it now.

suledes:
All of you arguing here, and your leaders are not muslims. You are just sects using Islam by claiming ranks, and superiority to achieve worldly gains.




You defied Allah's assertion in the Holy Qur'an, ''Inaladhina faraqu dinahum wakanu shiya'an....''

Translation-Those who claim sect in their religion, they are on there own....


Even, there is a verse in the Qur'an which says. ''Inamal mumineena Ikhwatun....

Translation-Every Muslim believer are brothers....

Therefore, you people claiming Sect (Ahl Sunnah or Ahl Aqeedah, Ahl Salafis or Ahl Wahabis, Ahl Haqeeqah or Toriqa, Ahl Quraniyuun etc) under the umbrella of Islam are Ignorant, and deviating from Islamic Doctrine.


Alhamdulillah, I am a Muslim without sect.

lexiconkabir:


Smh,,strong evidence? Abu israil case is as glaring as the sun, it is left gor you to accept.



Lol, i wonder what you want.to counter, the statements of the ulama?

gearcoin:

Thank Allah that you have reliaze that your only acclaim evidence is from abu israil which I believe you twisted to your need. I repeat no single salafy ustaz that categorise bidiah into types in your post.


Just wait for my next post to clarify it step by step.

gearcoin:

Thanks very much.
Please can you justify your fact above from sunnatic evidence because I heard some ustaz saying any bidiah is equivalent to shirk and that bidiah cannot be categorize .

They said that Allah categorize the shirk into two types from Quran but didn't Categorize the bidiah and that every bidiah is shirk equivalent.

suledes:
[s]All of you arguing here, and your leaders are not muslims. You are just sects using Islam by claiming ranks, and superiority to achieve worldly gains.




You defied Allah's assertion in the Holy Qur'an, ''Inaladhina faraqu dinahum wakanu shiya'an....''

Translation-Those who claim sect in their religion, they are on there own....


Even, there is a verse in the Qur'an which says. ''Inamal mumineena Ikhwatun....

Translation-Every Muslim believer are brothers....

Therefore, you people claiming Sect (Ahl Sunnah or Ahl Aqeedah, Ahl Salafis or Ahl Wahabis, Ahl Haqeeqah or Toriqa, Ahl Quraniyuun etc) under the umbrella of Islam are Ignorant, and deviating from Islamic Doctrine.


Alhamdulillah, I am a Muslim without sect.[/s]

Aliy996:
Subhannallah, sincerely i am getting worried so that we would nt get into trouble by wasting our time arguing throughout the day here, @lexiconkabir pls leave anyone who choose to be defiant from the truth to be, after giving evidences, simple! Dont let such ppl get u into the situation whereby u give rulings which are for scholars, no doubt you are a scholar but i think u should understand me. Jazaakallah khayran

udatso:

Who are these ustaz?

Give us the direct quotation from the Quran where Allah categorised Shirk.

udatso:

Actually he didn't twist it to suit his needs. Why would he? As far I am concerned, that hadith cleared up everything. I don't know why you keep dragging this issue.

gearcoin:

lexiconkabir:


I will take the advice of the brother that asked me drop the issue, when you've checked the citation of the books of Albanee, fawzaan, ibn uthaymeen, ibn katheer and Abdul-Muhsin that was given in the other thread, then you can come back, the links you brought just talked about bidah in general, just as how i did in the op, anyway check those books, no more argument on my part, or better still check this shaykh Munajid site https://islamqa.info/en/10843 in there he gave quotation from ibn uthaymeen.....


Enjoy!


Cc: udatso, I think you should leave him alone