Wow!

Wow!

Wow!

I don't really like what they did to South Africa, looks like a mixture of south of France, southern Europe, London Miami parts of usa i mean .
South Africa is naturally beautiful its highlands mountains etc hence the rush to steal, but each country in Africa has a different feel, Nigeria more flat land etc.
I guess South African could have been the Africa getaway where you vacation due to it being Scenic naturally without the buildings, but i guess people tried to do that, i dislike the cobble roads, i dislike the green post looking like your walking through a park in London, i dislike the highway signs the police car, jeese at least make it unique, people leave home and want to create the same thing. Or take away its natural vibe. Errh other than the mismatch architecture in some parts its ok but the no 1 thing i think about South Africa is that it is Scenic its natural views its was blessed with (resources to) .

Just by looking through this thread it's obvious the whites in South Africa should be forced to leave.

South Africans will never be mentally strong, or develop true self confidence and self esteem, until their oppressors are banished.

Be thankful that most African nations (like Nigeria) can succeed or fail on THEIR OWN. It must be a terrible feeling to have the credit for all your successes taken from you, and for the people that caused you so many problems to still be living next to you being racist.

Maybe Mandela wasn't the right person for SA. Maybe he was just the right person for the whites...

POVERTY IN SOUTH AFRICA.
Less than 5% of our population. By 2030 SA will have the highest NEW MIDDLE CLASS in AFRICA. HDI index will be the highest in Africa.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/138243911/Extreme-poverty

SOUTH AFRICAN BIG CITIES

http://www.scribd.com/doc/138251578/The-changing-face-of-our-neighbourhoods

AwodwaGyanOniwe: SOUTH AFRICAN BIG CITIES

http://www.scribd.com/doc/138251578/The-changing-face-of-our-neighbourhoods

hope all is well my brother....

Nobody wants to see this white city.

Show us a black city.

[quote author=yoruba post=4908587]Cape Town, South Africa

· 3rd Best City In The World - US Travel And Leisure July 2008
· Best City In Africa & Middle East - US Travel And Leisure July 2008
· 4th Top City In The World – Conde Nast Readers’ Choice October 2008
· Best City In Africa & Middle East – Conde Nast Readers’ Choice October 2008
· 3rd Best City In The Top 10 World Food Cities - Lonely Planet Blue List 2008
· Best Destination, Africa - World Travel Awards May 2008
· Best City To Live In, Africa & Middle East - Mercer Quality Of Living Survey 2008
· One Of The “Places Of A Lifetime” – National Geographic Traveler, July 2008
· One Of The World’s Most Sustainable Cities - Ethisphere Institute, Sept 2008
· Boulder’s Beach: World’s Best Family Beach - UK Telegraph March 2007
· Cleanest City In SA - DEAT Annual Cleanest Metro Awards March 2007
· #1 Uk Long Haul Destination - UK Trends And Spends Survey 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007
· One Of The World’s 5 Bluest Sky Destinations - Expedia.co.uk July 2006
· Favourite Foreign City - UK Telegraph 2004, 2005
· Ideal Travel Destination - Markinor-Sunday Times Top Brands Survey 2005
· Africa’s Leading Destination - World Travel Awards 2008
· Best Tourism Investor City of the Year - AI Tourism Investor Awards 2009


Dude I could go on forever, because it is by far the best city in africa. But I suggest you start a thread on about Abuja so that we can appreciate it separately. [/quoteplease



Nigeria cities are ok.. Tourists like south Africa because they believe it's safe. Boko haram should stop bombing. Then that opportunity will come to nigeria. ]

yoruba:
Ive been giving you International ratings, give us one foreign rating that places Abuja in the top 10 Africa's best city.

Africa's Best Cities
1. Cape Town, South Africa. Regarded by many people as Africa's best city, when all is said and done, a first-world city in substance and image. The streets of Cape Town, posh, with well-manicured grass; trees,and flower gardens, look more like a park than busy boulevards.

In 2001, it was voted by viewers of the CNN programme Inside Africa as the Best City in Africa, and with generally good reason.

Cape Town conveys a feeling of wide space, of having fewer people per square kilometre than any major city in Africa, of being a location further from the madding crowd than any other in Africa, a city where entry is by invitation only, so to speak.

It almost bears an air of exclusivity, of being the preserve of the upper middle class, of conservative chic, and of being a city that seems almost entirely a residential suburb, a mall, a health club, and a library. It is hard to find any litter and garbage anywhere.

The architecture is outstanding and like much of what there is in South Africa, is based around late 19th century English forms. For example, the parliamentary buildings in Cape Town, seat of the country's national assembly, are white, with columns crowned with beautiful Corinthian capitals.

Other places of note in Cape Town include the Company's Garden. The city is host to the beautiful, fortress-like Castle of Good Hope, which commemorates the birth of western civilization on the African subcontinent in 1652. The Waterfront is a medley of piers, anchored boats and entertainment and shopping places such as the Victoria & Alfred Waterfront shops.

Cape Town has the full range of the amenities for the lifestyle of any of the major western cities --- Opera, symphony orchestra, exquisite international cuisine, from African, to Greek, Indian, Chinese, and Italian.

It is, to put it simply, an exceptional African city, where everything works seamlessly and where standards of living are among the highest in the world.

Apart from its outstanding beauty and modernity, Cape Town has also become, increasingly, the centre of the country's film production industry. Several films and commercial videos have been filmed in Cape Town.

Set at the foot of Table Mountain, this city is much cheaper in costs for the film and advertizing industries than Europe and the United States, and yet offers about the same quality of production, better scenery, hence its rising status as the place of choice in which to shoot advert video clips or film sets.

Cape Town feels like a cousin to California's Beverly Hills area, the city of Sydney in Australia, and Christchurch, New Zealand.

However, because Cape Town is largely the domain of the White South Africans --- with their characteristically European reserve and individuality (and for whom even a trip to the beach on a holiday entails the reading of that week's issue of the Economist magazine) --- it can sometimes feel like a lonely city to live in.

Like most western societies, the impression can dawn on the outsider (especially the Black African, accustomed to the social network of extended family and friends) that plants and animals are more attentively and affectionately attended to in Cape Town, than are people.

Nonetheless, Cape Town is a great place that most people generally agree is Africa's number one city.

2. Victoria, Seychelles. For two years, 1997 and 1998, the capital of the Indian Ocean island nation of the Seychelles was the host city of the Miss World beauty pageant finals, which would be an understatement in describing its other-worldly charm.

Since the year 2000, Victoria --- capital of the smallest country in Africa --- has also become a major getaway for dozens of the world's biggest entertainment stars.

Victoria brings forth images of small, cute, clean, neat, quiet, a place away from the cynicism of the cut-throat commercial world.

Yet, ironically, it could be, per capita, the most expensive city in Africa, the high cost being brought on by the stream of jet-setter celebrities who abode there every once in a while, which really is to say, all year round.

Like Cape Town in South Africa, Victoria presents the impression of the pleasant place to go and be away from the mundane, over-crowded world elsewhere.

Victoria recalls to mind the Tanzanian paradise island of Zanzibar, all coconut trees, blue sky, acres of white sand, shimmering heat, and an inducement of the feeling that 21st century fast-paced digital time and fuss has all been left behind.

Except that Victoria is not fully Zanzibar.

Perhaps because of the combination of tiny population and an economy based on tourism, Victoria is the one city in Africa where the sight of beggers, the unruly youths, and the dispossesed, is the least likely to to be found.

But in addition to that sense of being away from it all, is added the sparkle of tropical life, with plam trees above one's head, grey-white sand at one's feet, and the beauty of beauties, the turquoise green-blue sparkle of the Indian Ocean.

Victoria, although catering to an international clientele of the western well-to-do, remains distinctly African, in its informality, simplicity, and sense of cheer.

3. Pretoria, South Africa. The Union Buildings in the country's capital city have the same neo-Greek architecture as the Capitol buildings in Washington DC; the foreground of the Union Buildings are beautiful, terraced gardens.

The buildings of the University of South Africa in Pretoria are reminiscent of those of the Pepperdine University in Malibu, California; brown, craggy walls, modern with no attempt at protraying classicism, Loa Angeles-like, and near the main entrance of the main building are handsome fountains that rise from and splash into a mini lake.

Church Square, which was the source of Pretoria, features rugged stone walls and sturdy, unpainted buildings. Dozens of statues depicting South Africa's long history adorn the city centre.

With architecture similar to that of the Union Buildings, the Transvaal Museum of Natural History is another of Pretoria's outstanding attractions. Melrose House is a period museum and specializes in period furniture.

Pretoria, like Cape Town, comes across as a city in which the madding crowd features less prominently than in most other African cities.

But Pretoria can feel even more intimidating than Cape Town in the sense of formality and structure. Nothing seems to jut in Pretoria.

As such, it does feel a little like European cities such as Vienna in Austria or Stockholm, Sweden --- highbrow, set in the midst of high art, more mental than emotional, with a certain Germanic orderliness.

Pretoria is one of Africa's star cities.

4. Pietermaritzburg, South Africa. This South African town prides itself as being the "Oxford of Africa", with a higher concentration of good schools that any other city in Africa.

It is particularly British in heritage, being at the heart of Zululand, yet also referred to as "the last outpost of the British empire."

Because of its Victorian heritage, much of the architecture in the city has a central European flavour, a certain Vienna-esque feel. The most striking example of this central European air is the City Hall in Pietermaritzburg, a pretty pink-brown building with multiple domes and a spire on which stands a clock.

The city is especially notable for its many parks, including the Botanic Gardens.

5. Port Louis, Mauritius.

6. Johannesburg, South Africa. In terms of basic industrialization and infrastructural complexity, Johannesburg is Africa's most advanced city, about five times the size of the Kenyan capital Nairobi (which itself is the largest city in East and Central Africa).

The skyline at the heart of Johannesburg city can sometimes, depending on from where it is glimpsed, seem to be a section of downtown New York City; Johannesburg has the largest concentration of skyscrapers of any city in Africa, with glass, steel, and concrete skyscrapers protruding into and marking out the skyline.

Viewed by night, a city filled with brilliant lights and the sparkle of medernity. Some people who have driven through the streets of Johannesburg say a number of the roads are better than many in western Europe.

Johannesburg, built upon the gold mines of the late 19th century as as close to being big, industrialized Europe as any city in Africa, for those for whom Europe is the yardstick of advancement.

This large city is the headquarters of many, if not most, of South Africa's huge industry. It is the location of the Johannesburg International Airport, the busiest international airport in Africa.

The Emmarentia Dam is a popular place for boating enthusiasts.

Other water-centred attractions are the Bruma Lake and the Randburg Waterfront, which are a similar concept to Cape Town's Waterfront. The Gold Reef City re-enacts the early city of Johannesburg.

The city bustles with life and all walks of it, from the globe-trotting business executive to the downtrodden homeless.

Not that Cape Town and Pretoria are without their less fortunate lot; but Johannesburg seems to have a wider range of social classes than either Pretoria or Cape Town.

Because of this, it feels a bustling place to be, much like New York City. It is full of life, night and day, fast-paced, gregarious, and crowded in an exciting sort of way, with the upper middle class and the seedy low life equally represented.

For this same reason, unfortunately, Johannesburg like New York has been the home of an unusually high crime rate, at one point in 1999, the highest of any city in the world. Midday, mainstreet car jacks and armed robbersies are not unsual in Johannesburg.

An unfortunate blot on an otherwise beautiful and sophisticated city which to many people epitomizes the South Africa that is the largest and most advanced economy by far in Africa.

7. Nairobi, Kenya. The city of Nairobi has itself alone to blame for not being a better African city than it is today. It had all the opportunities in the past, the infrastructure, and (rare for Africa) decades of uninterrupted stability.

But despite its self-inflicted decline, it is still one of Africa's largest and most interesting cities.

More public facilities, more shopping centres with a wider variety of goods, more entertainment points with greater degrees of fun, csn be found in Nairobi than in any other city in East Africa, as well as the Horn of Africa and Central Africa.

Or as one Ugandan marketing manager visiting the city in 2001 remarked on its position as a major regional city despite the dscline: "Kenya is still Kenya."

Nairobi is the host city of several United Nations agencies as well as other international organizations. It serves as the location of a number of international news agencies' regional bureaus, and has more high-rise buildings than any city of any country in East and Central Africa.

Of the three East African countriee --- Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania --- Kenya's economy accounts for 60 percent, Tanzania's is at 25 percent, while Uganda's is 15 percent in size.

Nairobi shows this difference in size. It is one of the fastest-growing mobile phone markets on the African continent, has several dozen hotels, restaurants, and coffee shops, large supermarkets, has one of the largest fleets of public buses and taxi vans, yet they never seem enough.

Nairobi also has one of the most internationally-minded populations of any city in Africa. It is not a surprise to encounter a South African who has no clue that Nigeria is in West Africa and not a neighbour of Botswana in the southwest of Africa.

A typical West African urban dweller might find it hard to differentiate Malawi from Lesotho.

The Nairobi crowd tends to be well-informed on average, because of the fact that the country is heavily dependent on foreign tourism for national revenue, and also that Kenya has been host to numerous refugee populations from neighbouring countries.

What stands out most about Nairobi is the people.

All Kenya's neighbours tend to be traditional in outlook --- Tanzania to the south with Roman Catholic and Muslim-dominated populations, Ethiopia to the north and Eritrea to the north-east, mainly Muslim and Orthodox Christian, Somalia to the northeast, Muslim, Uganda to the west, just silghtly Roman Catholic-dominated, but also Anglican Protestant, and Sudan to the northwest, Muslim.

The societies are male-dominated, with well-defined, subsidiary roles for women, and a certain demure public behaviour expected of them.

Kenya and Nairobi in particular, has a different culture, where it appears that both men and women behave in a masculine manner.

All across the streets on a weekday are hundreds of thousands of these good-looking Kenyans walking briskly, the conversations revolving around the corporate and the pursuit of money. Pregnant women will casually disembark from a slow moving bus even before its reaches the stop, while holding another baby in their arms.

Open, cooperative and warm in manner, yet unsentimental, very direct and aggresive at the same time, is the Nairobi character. Kenyans freely and laughingly describe themselves as "rough" and "fast".

The taxis play unbearably loud club re-mixes of hit disco music, as pasengers sit unperturbed in silence.

Despite Kenya's relative high economic standards, public buses remain congested, with as many people seated as stand in the bus corridor, with few showing discomfort on their faces.

Life for them, it seems, is not life if it is not one of hustle and rough-edged. They seem to expect and be comfortable with that.

The Nairobi people are easy to approach and interact with, but this drive and their "rough" collective personalities can leave people from more traditional and polite societies feeling emotianally exhausted after some time.

Many visitors from the countries that neighbour Kenya often find this trait disorienting and even unmannerly.

However, it is this upfront and direct demeanor, the Tom Boyish yet sophisticatedly feminine trait among the women and girls, that makes for the exciting and rigorous city that Nairobi is --- loud street corner evangelists, charming female radio Disc Jockeys, the sizzle of the nightclubs and recreational centres, and sense of something happening all the time.
http://www.africaalmanac.com/top20townscitys.html

That red highlighted sentence is just wrong, Nairobi is larger than Jjoburg both in area and population even if you factor in the Metropolitan scale, they have us though in GDP and skyscrapers.

pkjag:

That red highlighted sentence is just wrong, Nairobi is larger than Jjoburg both in area and population even if you factor in the Metropolitan scale, they have us though in GDP and skyscrapers.

Nah!! Nah!! Nah!! the person that is wrong here is you. Nairobi is very very small compared to Jo'burg. I have been to both cities.

Jo'burg has a population of almost 4.5 million excluding the population on the surrounding towns like Krugersdorp, Vereeniging, Randfontein, etc.
Area= 1645 km^2


http://www.statssa.gov.za/?page_id=1021&id=city-of-johannesburg-municipality


Nairobi at large has a population of less than 3.5 million including its surroundings.


http://www.citypopulation.de/php/kenya-admin.php?adm2id=47

mzilakazi:

Nah!! Nah!! Nah!! the person that is wrong here is you. Nairobi is very very small compared to Jo'burg. I have been to both cities.
Jo'burg has a population of almost 4.5 million excluding the population on the surrounding towns like Krugersdorp, Vereeniging, Randfontein, etc.
Area= 1645 km^2
http://www.statssa.gov.za/?page_id=1021&id=city-of-johannesburg-municipality
Nairobi at large has a population of less than 3.5 million including its surroundings.
http://www.citypopulation.de/php/kenya-admin.php?adm2id=47

That 3.5 million figure excludes the metro which estimates claim at 6.7 million (2007) to 10 million (2014), while for you the 4.5 million is the metro. Also that 1,645 km² is also for the metro, the actual city is about 300km² as for Nairobi the city is 697km² excluding the metro which is about 3,500km² and growing. Municipal boundaries do not count for the metro, this is what confuses everybody because most statistics fail to include and differentiate. Nairobi is a city and also a county, the metro area stretches into other counties.

For those who don't know the difference between a city and a metropolitan area, a city is the built up region within the Municipal boundaries of the Urban area while a metropolitan area is the total continuous built up area surrounding a central city core and may be composed of several cities and towns or a central city conjoined with several surrounding towns.

Nairobi metro for instance includes Nairobi City, Ngong town, Ruiru Municipality, Athi River town, Kitengela settlement, Mavoko municipality, Rongai town, Kiserian town, Kikuyu town, Kiambu town and Wangige town. In a few years time Thika Municipality will be part of Nairobi metro. The green is the city, i.e within municipal boundaries, the red boundary is the metro and it's growing very fast.

Now google johannesburg metro population the figure that comes up is 4,434,827 and do the same for Nairobi's 6.3 million

pkjag:

That 3.5 million figure excludes the metro which estimates claim at 6.7 million (2007) to 10 million (2014), while for you the 4.5 million is the metro. Also that 1,645 km² is also for the metro, the actual city is about 300km² as for Nairobi the city is 697km² excluding the metro which is about 3,200km². Municipal boundaries do not count for the metro, this is what confuses everybody because most statistics fail to include and differentiate. Nairobi is a city and also a county, the metro area stretches into other counties.

For those who don't know the difference between a city and a metropolitan area, a city is the built up region within the Municipal boundaries of the Urban area while a metropolitan area is the total continuous built up area surrounding a central city core and may be composed of several cities and towns or a central city conjoined with several surrounding towns.

Nairobi metro for instance includes Nairobi City, Ngong town, Ruiru Municipality, Athi River town, Kitengela settlement, Mavoko municipality, Rongai town, Kiserian town, Kikuyu town, Kiambu town and Wangige town. In a few years time Thika Municipality will be part of Nairobi metro. The green is the city, i.e within municipal boundaries, the red boundary is the metro and it's growing very fast.

Now google johannesburg metro population the figure that comes up is 4,434,827 and do the same for Nairobi's 6.3 million

who is this.....!!! we've already forgotten about this thread let it rest because you'll be sorry!!! Wen vandalism take's place.

vandalZA:
who is this.....!!! we've already forgotten about this thread let it rest because you'll be sorry!!! Wen vandalism take's place.

What's wrong with you man, does the truth hurt that much, if you want me to let it rest, close the damn thread!

pkjag:
What's wrong with you man, does the truth hurt that much, if you want me to let it rest, close the damn thread!

what is this one saying?
so this dude thinks Nairobi is the biggest city in Africa, over patroitic is not good for your health man.
The city being overpopulated does not necessarily mean its large, Take Lagos for insteance, its overpopulated, but it is still smaller than Johannesburg by size. Johannesburg is the largest city in Africa and its not overpopulated. you can travel 120km from east to west still within joburg, and another 100km from north to south. Actually the whole Gauteng province/state is just a concrete jungle. If we make it one city, it would compete with the likes of Tokyo by size, pretoria, joburg and veeriniging is one combined cities now.

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It's not me saying, and i haven't said Nairobi is the biggest city in Africa, i take figures and conclude, if you're not satisfied with them go complain to your municipal council, they publish the figures. If you think Joburg is bigger then you should rename Gauteng province into Greater Johannesburg. And no Nairobi is not overpopulated, for a city its size it is infact underpopulated not to mention that it is the only Capital city in the world with a National Park, that area could have been used for settlement and since it hasn't you would expect it to be overpopulated. If you don't agree with me, let's just agree to disagree, I don't want this to escalate into a xenophobic name calling session as these "battles" are bound to.

One thing we can't agree on is on the official figures, but know this Nairobi is growing faster and the area data i published here was 2007 data, if we were to compile it now, Greater Nairobi (currently more than 32,000km²) would be part of two counties (provinces in your country) each larger than Gauteng (about 18,000 km²). Just because our data isn't as published as the one in Joburg doesn't mean you take a plea of ignorance and assume that Joburg is bigger.

Read this 2011 data: www.isocarp.net/data/case_studies/1662.pdf (current estimates now claim that Greater Nairobi has more than 10 million people back from the 10.8 million estimated population of 2022) and if you don't agree then let's end the damn discussion. Also the picture I uploaded above was 2009 data, the pic below is 2011 data and currently the metro is growing even faster to the North.

Joburg is a huge city with an even bigger metropolis, but its growth is nothing compared to Nairobi's. Nairobi hosts the African HQs of the largest companies in the world, and it is still receiving invites for more hosts, this has sparked unprecedented growth and expansion and a massive rise in land prices. Do your research well before commenting here or better yet come to Kenya and see for yourself don't rely on blogs and websites that still rank cities with 2007/2009 and CIA world factbook data.

pkjag:
Read this 2011 data: www.isocarp.net/data/case_studies/1662.pdf (current estimates now claim that Greater Nairobi has more than 10 million people back from the 10.8 million estimated population of 2022) and if you don't agree then let's end the damn discussion. Also the picture I uploaded above was 2009 data, the pic below is 2011 data and currently the metro is growing even faster to the North.

Joburg is a huge city with an even bigger metropolis, but its growth is nothing compared to Nairobi's. Nairobi hosts the African HQs of the largest companies in the world, and it is still receiving invites for more hosts, this has sparked unprecedented growth and expansion and a massive rise in land prices. Do your research well before commenting here or better yet come to Kenya and see for yourself don't rely on blogs and websites that still rank cities with 2007/2009 and CIA world factbook data.

Haahaaa! Nairobi it is. But i could slap your mouth for your sarcastic xenophobia comment. Who cares about you anyway? We still have Kenyans all over SA making a living!

OohLalah:

Haahaaa! Nairobi it is. But i could slap your mouth for your sarcastic xenophobia comment. Who cares about you anyway? We still have Kenyans all over SA making a living!

Yeah lots of people care about me, I wouldn't be here vigorously arguing to let the truth out if nobody did. And I didn't mean it in a bad way, but these arguments always lead to such low levels of discussions where we compare who's better than the rest, i do not like to argue in such terms at all, besides some of the Kenyans did come back home after their businesses were destroyed despite most of them working as professionals in fields such as Medicine, engineering and science. You have to understand that it's harder for Kenyans to get into SA than it is to get in the US, I think there're about 500 Kenyans and because of the Visa restriction, most of them are middle class professionals. I think SA needs to do something about this cause in the whole of Africa, the SA diaspora can only vote in Kenya alone.

pkjag:
Yeah lots of people care about me, I wouldn't be here vigorously arguing to let the truth out if nobody did. And I didn't mean it in a bad way, but these arguments always lead to such low levels of discussions where we compare who's better than the rest, i do not like to argue in such terms at all, besides some of the Kenyans did come back home after their businesses were destroyed despite most of them working as professionals in fields such as Medicine, engineering and science. You have to understand that it's harder for Kenyans to get into SA than it is to get in the US, I think there're about 500 Kenyans and because of the Visa restriction, most of them are middle class professionals. I think SA needs to do something about this cause in the whole of Africa, the SA diaspora can only vote in Kenya alone.

You need to help yourself by not peddling lies first, do not be like Nigeria who would lie to get their point ahead. No Kenya or kenyan shops were attacked. If you start there then it would never get to any low. My hairstylists are Kenyans and have no issues. We have no issues but don't be sneaky as person its as low as crawling on your fours in gutter.

OohLalah:


You need to help yourself by not peddling lies first, do not be like Nigeria who would lie to get their point ahead. No Kenya or Kenyan shops were attacked. If you start there then it would never get to any low. My hairstylists are Kenyans and have no issues. We have no issues but don't be sneaky as person its as low as crawling on your fours in gutter.

I'm sure you personally know all the Kenyans in SA i have relatives who are back home okay and they told me that they left their businesses there because they were warned and before they left, they witnessed the downfall of all they had built. I don't care if you believe me, you are not the UN or anybody who can compensate them. I do not like the direction this discussion is taking, I would prefer if we ended it, I've had just about enough from you guys and how terribly misinformed you are on just about everything i have addressed in this thread.

pkjag:

I'm sure you personally know all the Kenyans in SA i have relatives who are back home okay and they told me that they left their businesses there because they were warned and before they left, they witnessed the downfall of all they had built. I don't care if you believe me, you are not the UN or anybody who can compensate them. I do not like the direction this discussion is taking, I would prefer if we ended it, I've had just about enough from you guys and how terribly misinformed you are on just about everything i have addressed in this thread.

Were they attacked or warned before they leave?

Where in SA did they stay? Province, city/town? What businesses did the have? You are sounding more like a Nigeria than Kenyan. You are too emotional. I have Kenyan colleagues, friends church members etc. Please if you are not a liar tell us exactly where and when it happened. Rubbish, you still want us to relax our visa rules for you to troop in but are saying evil lies against our country?

OohLalah:

Were they attacked or warned before they leave?

Where in SA did they stay? Province, city/town? What businesses did the have? You are sounding more like a Nigeria than Kenyan. You are too emotional. I have Kenyan colleagues, friends church members etc. Please if you are not a liar tell us exactly where and when it happened. Rubbish, you still want us to relax our visa rules for you to troop in but are saying evil lies against our country?

What the hell is wrong with you, are you being purposely ignorant, you want to tell me that no businesses were looted when it's all over the news? FYI they lived in Gauteng, Soweto, and they owned spaza shops in Joburg and Soweto, happened in 16/17th April. And yes here are other reports of others who experienced the same, including a murder:
http://x-news-africa.com/?q=article-937
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000161643/kenyan-killed-in-south-africa-s-xenophobic-attack-buried
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/kenya-to-evacuate-citizens-from-south-africa-as-xenophobic-attacks-rage/
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Kenyan-traders-losses-xenophobic-violence/-/1950946/2693402/-/format/xhtml/-/oxal10z/-/index.html
http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/8f03f680480b2747b67af678423ca9af/Kenya-ready-to-evacuate-citizens-from-SA-20151704

pkjag:

What the hell is wrong with you, are you being purposely ignorant, you want to tell me that no businesses were looted when it's all over the news? FYI they lived in Gauteng, Soweto, and they owned spaza shops in Joburg and Soweto, happened in 16/17th April. And yes here are other reports of others who experienced the same, including a murder:
http://x-news-africa.com/?q=article-937
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000161643/kenyan-killed-in-south-africa-s-xenophobic-attack-buried
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/04/kenya-to-evacuate-citizens-from-south-africa-as-xenophobic-attacks-rage/
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Kenyan-traders-losses-xenophobic-violence/-/1950946/2693402/-/format/xhtml/-/oxal10z/-/index.html
http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/8f03f680480b2747b67af678423ca9af/Kenya-ready-to-evacuate-citizens-from-SA-20151704

Bullcrap! Only one Kenya reported only by a Kenyan newspaper, no facts behind his death whatsoever. The guy was an illegal that will be impossible to own business as stated in the article he was a labourer. They needed to find the woman he was staying with to find what happened to him. All the rest of your links are about evacuations which was the right thing to do.

Now, tell me something new. Hope they stop trooping to other countries without the knowledge of your embassy. So they could be documented if anything happens to them. You can't blame SA for not reporting on people who are not even suppose to be there in the first place. How can SA now who is who when reporting and coating the damage and deaths?

OohLalah:


Bullcrap! Only one Kenya reported only by a Kenyan newspaper, no facts behind his death whatsoever. The guy was an illegal that will be impossible to own business as stated in the article he was a labourer. They needed to find the woman he was staying with to find what happened to him. All the rest of your links are about evacuations which was the right thing to do.

Now, tell me something new. Hope they stop trooping to other countries without the knowledge of your embassy. So they could be documented if anything happens to them. You can't blame SA for not reporting on people who are not even suppose to be there in the first place. How can SA now who is who when reporting and coating the damage and deaths?

You told me to tell you of the business lootings and I did. So because he was an illegal immigrant it was right to kill him? Just cause SA doesn't want to report it doesn't mean anything, pro-government media can never be trusted in such tense scenarios, he was killed in SA during the riots, there're probably dozens of other unregistered immigrant workers that were killed. It seems that your media takes its information from the Embassies instead of doing their own research, this is all for political correctness of course, they wouldn't wanna fuel more tension between the two countries. You have the information, now draw your own conclusions.

pkjag:

You told me to tell you of the business lootings and I did. So because he was an illegal immigrant it was right to kill him? Just cause SA doesn't want to report it doesn't mean anything, pro-government media can never be trusted in such tense scenarios, he was killed in SA during the riots, there're probably dozens of other unregistered immigrant workers that were killed. It seems that your media takes its information from the Embassies instead of doing their own research, this is all for political correctness of course, they wouldn't wanna fuel more tension between the two countries. You have the information, now draw your own conclusions.

Which pro government media are you talking about? You seem to be grasping at straws.There is crime and xenophobia, if it was xenophobia it would have been known and reported by atleast his girlfriend. Find the girl you will get the truth.

In South Africa all corpses are collected by police especially crime or xenophobia related. No one is allowed to touch a corpse that was attacked this is collared to stats about death as police have to document and submit the corpse to a mortuary with cause death. Unless there was crime and the body was hidden or not found for days as the deceased family say he was badly decomposed meaning he was found days later.
I just gave you my conclusion.

I do not see the point in continuing this discussion, you clearly do not agree with Kenyan media and I do not trust SA media enough to deliver the full picture of what happened in the April attacks.

pkjag:
I do not see the point in continuing this discussion, you clearly do not agree with Kenyan media and I do not trust SA media enough to deliver the full picture of what happened in the April attacks.

Well, too bad! RIP to the dead

OohLalah:

Well, too bad! RIP to the dead

Yes, RIP to them