Muslim heaven vs Christian heaven

First ask yourself this question: was heaven the home of humans before earth? This answer is definitely no. This is so cos the first man, Adam, was created from dust of the Earth and his wife Eve from his rib. So you see, they never dropped from the sky but we're created here on Earth.

So, why do we have humans who believe they will go to heaven or hell after they die? Most of these humans even base their belief on Bible and quranic passages. The truth is that, the Bible passages that some Christians think supports their belief have been grossly misconstrued.

Ask yourself, what was God's original purpose of creating the earth and putting man in it?

Genesis 1:28

"Then God blessed them, and God said to them "be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the Earth."

From the above passage, we can see that it wasn't God's plan for mankind to live a short life, DIE and then go to an heavenly paradise. He created us to be here forever, without sickness, sorrow, pain nor death. But Satan came to thwart God's plan. He made the first man to fall and lose his glory, which made him prone to sickness, weakness, sin and death. To redeem mankind, God sent his son Yahshua the Messiah to die for our sins and restore us to our former state in due time.

But false doctrines which crept into the church have taught that giving your life to Yahshua equates to going to heaven when you die and hell fire when you failed to do so. This doctrines are blatantly calling Yahweh a failure and scoring Satan some points.

What are these points? The doctrines imply that Satan, even though he will eventually be destroyed, still managed to make God change His original plan of making humans reside on earth forever by whisking them away to heaven when they die. Secondly, since humans will be residing in heaven, then it means God will destroy the earth cos there won't be any need for it again. This means that Satan achieved victory by making God destroy his work. But what does the Bible say?

Ecclesiastes 1:4
New International Version

Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.

Since God's original plan is for humans to reside on earth and subdue it, then it means the paradise which most religions have attributed to be in heaven will actually be this earth. Adam and Eve were given the task to take care of the garden of Eden and extend it when they multiply, thereby turning the world into a big garden of beauty; we humans will take up that task when evil has finally been rooted out of this world.

When some Christians say heaven will be the home of good people when they die, I ask, what will be their activity over there? They say singing praises unto God. Was that why God created humans in the first place? No, cos angels are already doing that, see Job 38:7 Luke 2:13-14.

Our place is on earth taking care of the trees, fishes and animals, just as Adam did and even named them all Genesis 2:20. God wants to restore this earth to its former status where there was no aging, sickness, sin, sorrow and death; where a lamb and a lion can play together.

Revelations 21:4 New International Version

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

Isaiah 11:6 King James Bible

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them".

The above passages are speaking of the things to come on earth when evil has been defeated.

But Muslims believe that heaven is a paradise where they will be given 72 virgins each, with rivers of wine, milk and honey, where all they were restricted from on earth in the name of keeping away from sin will be available in surplus. Was it God's plan for mankind to come to this world, endure then die to be rewarded with women?

This ideology clearly says that heaven is a huge brothel or porn industry full of sexual and immoral activities. It has also inspired suicide bombings and violence by Muslims who believe the quickest way to partake in such fun is to wage war for Allah. What makes them think God will allow the abode of His throne to be turned into a sex factory? This clearly shows that Allah is not the Yahweh of the Bible. Yahweh forbids us to swear by the heavens: "But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne;" Mathew 5:34.

How can such God now allow his abode to become a sex haven?


Agreeing that good humans will spend eternity in heaven also means you agree that the evil ones will spend theirs in a burning furnace called hell fire. Anyone that agrees such has succeeded in saying that God is brutal than Satan for burning humans in an everlasting fire where they don't die but feel pains and torments for billion multiplied by trillions of uncountable years, just for sins committed in nothing more than a hundred years of sorrow-filled earth. Such persons has also elevated himself above God in terms of love, cos we humans can never throw our child to the tiger no matter how wicked such a child is.

Mathew 7:11
So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good gifts to those who ask him.

So, what then is the punishment for the wicked and all those who killed thousands? Are they now to be freed? Their punishment is annihilation, a thing the devil fears too. But some people think burning him in fire for all eternity is what scares him. Not existing anymore is what scares Satan. Well, the punishment for the wicked will be a topic for another day cos it is cumbersome. But don't think it involves everlasting torture. God is not wicked.

The idea of spending eternity in heaven has made many see righteous efforts as a waste of time cos the reward is just endless praise and worship in heaven- a thing they consider boring. The concept of burning for all eternity has made many people into atheist cos they can't phantom a loving God hurting his creation that way. The idea of dying for Allah to get rewarded with 72 virgins in a garden with rivers of wine, milk and honey has turned many into bloodthirsty terrorist.

Imagine a world where you don't worry about sickness, sorrow, pain, hate, crime, disease, war, poverty, starvation, disaster and even death cos they will be no more. A world where a kid can play with a full grown Tiger. A world where food is readily available cos diseases affecting crops no longer exist. A world where there is no segregation but love and peace with abundance of joy. Isn't that better than the other concepts of eternity?

This is the gospel of love.

Which of the below picture concept of paradise goes in line with God's plan?

LifestyleTonite:

First ask yourself this question: was heaven the home of humans before earth? This answer is definitely no. This is so cos the first man, Adam, was created from dust of the Earth and his wife Eve from his rib. So you see, they never dropped from the sky but we're created here on Earth.

From the above passage, we can see that it wasn't God's plan for mankind to live a short life, DIE and then go to an heavenly paradise. He created us to be here forever, without sickness, sorrow, pain nor death. [u]But Satan came to thwart God's plan. [/u]He made the first man to fall and lose his glory, which made him prone to sickness, weakness, sin and death. To redeem mankind, God sent his son Yahshua the Messiah to die for our sins and restore us to our former state in due time.

This ideology clearly says that heaven is a huge brothel or porn industry full of sexual and immoral activities. It has also inspired suicide bombings and violence by Muslims who believe the quickest way to partake in such fun is to wage war for Allah. What makes them think God will allow the abode of His throne to be turned into a sex factory? This clearly shows that Allah is not the Yahweh of the Bible. Yahweh forbids us to swear by the heavens: "But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne;" Mathew 5:34.

udatso:
Based on the title of the thread and the content, I really dont see why it was necessary to invite atheists here.

udatso:

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Where did you get that from? Bible or Quran? Give reference

udatso:

That passage doesn't justify your interpretation.
@ underlined so are you saying Satan now has such power to destroy God's plan? And the Almighty God didn't see it coming? Focus on things you know.

udatso:

What baffles me is the fact That in this whole Post, there isn't a single quotation from either Quran or the authentic narrations to butress your points. How can you criticize Islam using the Bible as a standard? It's totally dishonest of you. Same way you bought poofs from the Bible to show how the popular belief by Christians is wrong, you should do same Justice to Islam.

udatso:

In as much as I would have loved to engage is this discussion, from a Muslim's Point of View, you haven't really given me something to chew on.
The basics of Islam and Christianity are different. Don't use one standard to compare both.

LifestyleTonite:
It is very necessary to have the atheist around for 2 reasons.
1. To serve as unbiased spectators and judges concerning the write up.

2. For them to see that God is not actually that awful being that Islam and the Babylonian Christianity have painted Him concerning hell fire.

This question of yours is asking to know where I got the talk of Man being made here on earth, which means mankind didn't come from heaven. But Muslims and a large number of Christians believe they are going to return to a place they never came from when they die.

Where did man come from? Let's hear what the Bible says.


Genesis 2:7

"And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the GROUND, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


As seen above, man was created from the dust of the ground which is on earth. Another passage says man will return to the same dust from which he came.

Genesis 3:19

"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the GROUND, since from it you were taken; for DUST you are and to DUST you will RETURN."

But you Muslims and Some fake Christians believe that they will go to heaven when they die. You also believe the world will end with the righteous going to heaven to spend eternity while the wicked end up in hell fire.

Ask yourself, what will now happen to Earth after everyone has left? Many of you say God will destroy the earth with fire. If he does that, can't we freely say Satan at least succeeded in destroying one of God's work?
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If He destroys the earth with fire, how has Satan destroyed God's work?


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That is what the believe in the false doctrine of eternity in heaven loudly says.

If you say I shouldn't use the bible's standard to criticise Islam, then stop telling the world that the God of the Bible is the same as the one of the Quran.

Now, below are a few Quranic verses and hadith showing that faithful Muslims will go to a paradise after death where they are rewarded with countless wide eyed virgins and wine.


The specific Hadith in which the number of virgins is specified is Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise. The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Quranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman:

"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]."

(QURAN 37:40-4 : "In the Gardens of Paradise, Facing one another on thrones, Round them will be passed a cup of pure wine; White, delicious to the drinkers, Neither they will have any kind of hurt, abdominal pain, headache, or sin, nor will they suffer intoxication from it. And with them will be chaste females, restraining their glances, with wide and beautiful eyes."

(QURAN 44:51-55): "Verily! The righteous will be in Paradise. Among Gardens and Springs; Dressed in fine silk and also in thick silk, facing each other, and We shall marry them to Houris with wide, lovely eyes."

(QURAN 52: 17-20): "Verily, for those who fear Allah there will be Gardens in Paradise, filled with Delight. Enjoying in that which their Lord has bestowed on them, and the fact that their Lord saved them from the torment of the blazing Fire. The Lord will say: ‘Eat and drink with happiness because of what you used to do’. They will recline with ease on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Houris with wide lovely eyes."

(QURAN 55:54-59): "Reclining upon the couches lined with silk brocade, and the fruits of the Gardens will be near at hand. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Wherein will be those houris, restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? In beauty they are like rubies and coral. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?"

(QURAN 55:70-77): "Therein gardens will be fair wives good and beautiful; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Houris restrained in pavilions; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Whom no man has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?"

(QURAN 56:37-40): "...We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand…."

(QURAN 78:31-34): "As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup."


Quran 78:29-34

The translation by Moshin
And all things We have recorded in a Book. (29)
So taste you (the results of your evil actions); No increase shall We give you, except in torment. (30)
Verily, for the Muttaqûn[], there will be a success (Paradise); (31)
Gardens and vineyards, (32)
And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, (33)
And a full cup (of wine). (34)
The translation by Yusuf Ali
And all things have We preserved on record. (29)
"So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." (30)
Verily for the righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the Heart's) desires; (31)
Gardens enclosed, and Grape-vines; (32)
Companions of Equal Age; (33)
And a Cup full (to the Brim). (34)

Since the basics are different...


...Then Pls, tell your people to stop telling the whole world that the God of the Bible is the same as Allah.

udatso:


Okay



God isn't an awful being and is unanimously accepted by all Muslims and Christians. So what's your point exactly?
So far, you are yet to establish how muslims portray God as being awful.

udatso:

I have just one reply for this. Let's say for example The skin used for the manufacture of shoes by Aba boys was imported from Ghana. Can we confidently say without concrete evidence that aba shoes are manufactured in Ghana?

udatso:

If rewarding the faithful and punishing the wicked is your definition of awful God, I don't think there will be need to continue this conversation

udatso:


We do not deny all the pleasures Allah has promised the believers on the day of judgement. If you think these rewards aren't good enough, that's going to be your opinion, unless you bring proofs from the Quran and authentic hadith to back up your claim sir.

udatso:

I think I have already addressed this point. But let me add this, the three religions all believe in a Being who is called God. However The perception of this God varries across the three.
Unless you are insinuating that we have thousands of competitive God's

LifestyleTonite:
Muslims believe they serve the same God of the Bible. Islam has painted him as a cruel being who burns his enemies for all eternity. Eternity has no ending. Just imagine trillions of years multiplied by zillions of years with the process repeated again and again. That is what sinners will face for their sins committed in just a few years, not even up to 100yrs. To answer your question:

Below are some verses from the Quran that paint God as a sadist and awful being.


"Our Lord! Surely, whom You admit to the Fire, indeed You have disgraced him, and never will the wrongdoers find any helpers." (Quran 3:192)

"Know they not that whoever opposes God and His Messenger (Muhammad), certainly for him will be the Fire of Hell to abide therein? That is the extreme disgrace." (Quran 9:63)

"They will long to leave the Fire, but never will they leave there from; and theirs will be a lasting torment." (Quran 5:37)

"…And they will never leave of the Fire." (Quran 2:167)

"Surely, those who disbelieve and did wrong; God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to any way except the way of Hell, to dwell therein forever." (Quran 4:168-169)



Your analogy has no correlation with what I posted. The leather used in making Aba shoes is imported from Ghana but the shoes are made in Aba.

The dust used in making Man was gotten from The dust of the earth and Man remained on earth.

So you see, man didn't drop from the sky nor was formerly in heaven before being sent to earth. He was created of the dust of the earth, remained on earth, will die and return to the same dusty earth he came from.

The definition of an awful God is a God that burns his enemies for all eternity. Isn't that cruel enough to you? Kindly place a HOT pressing Iron on your belly for just 30 seconds. I bet you won't be able to bear it for just one second. Yet you claim a God that subjects his enemies to a never ending life in a fiery furnace is not an awful God. This lies from the Muslim and a section of the Christian world is what makes people hate God and resort to atheism.

I am very glad to tell you that Yahweh, the Almighty, is not the God to do such. The only thing suitable for a wicked human is annihilation, which is total destruction and no more existence. Isn't that better than billions of never ending years in a fire?

udatso:

Burning enemies for eternity isn't cruel. It's the consequence of their actions.

udatso:

Which is why Muslims try to follow the laid down instructions to avoid hellfire.

udatso:

Are you wiser than your creator?

LifestyleTonite:
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lexiconkabir:


Don't ever in your life mention my moniker for rubbish.

LifestyleTonite:
what is rubbish about the thread?

Eternal life on earth or the 72 virgins?

It can't be the 72 virgins, to you.

lexiconkabir:

Get lost.

LifestyleTonite:
what is rubbish about the thread?
Eternal life on earth or the 72 virgins?
It can't be the 72 virgins, to you.

FSMs:

72virgin+ plus Eternal life

LifestyleTonite:
But some people are ready to blow themselves up just to have the above.

FSMs:

I guess that's a quicker means..

LifestyleTonite:
Pls, when are you going to blow yourself up? Or do you want rilwayne001 to beat you told the 72 virgins?

LifestyleTonite:
Pls, when are you going to blow yourself up? Or do you want rilwayne001 to beat you told the 72 virgins?

Rilwayne001: