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Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by johnydon22(m): 7:34pm On Nov 07, 2016
I look back in the long strand of human history, i marvel at how things change in an unprecedented rate and way. Era's starting from the 20 - 21st century saw a remarkable leap in human technology and science, All thanks to seperation of scientific research from religious influence or dogmatic superstitions.

But a look at this New world, there are patches here and there where developments are yet to touch, areas that may be excused due to the fact that fairly enough they recieve little or no external influence or contact which is the bee that polinates development across boundaries.

There are also huge patches, unexcused as they have seen a fair share of this collective human evolution of technological and intellectual reaches chose either deliberately or coercive delusion to maintain an old world deep in the heart of a new thriving world yearning for more development.

[size=20]Islam [/size] has kept it's adherents locked in an era of human history whose practises and norms we should normally consider archaic therefore should be resisted from smearing it's ugly face throughout the face of the globe.

The sharia law in particular is a relic of a primitive past, an era with a moral and ethical expectations greatly different from the ethical and moral expectations of a new evolving society. Not only is it unjust, it spells barbarism, misogynism, forecful expectations of comformity, irrational punishments that are no more moral than the crime itself.

Science

Through out the medieval era the muslim world thrived in terms of intellectuals and scholars of every caliber, science has seen it's own fair share of Arabic influence and direct influence from muslims, all of a sudden there was a sudden change in the intellectual music associated with Islam.

An untold decline in knowledge or pursuit of it and more advocation for simplistic superstitions, mostly idiotic began pravelent in the parts of the world marked by the crescent moon and star.

Northen Nigeria can be a case study, a remarkable very shouty difference in educational reaches across the populace of every region in the country dwarf the northern region with a humongous margin irrespective of nonsensical qouta system adopted by the education system in the country.

High rate of illitracy leading to a certain degree of intellectual decay in these communities.

Muslim's across the world make up to 25% of the world's population, for such a wide population there seem to be very little contribution to the intellectual growth of the world coming from this angle.

Take the Nobel prize as an example, Only 12 out of almost 1.8billion Muslims has ever won the nobel prize, bring the margin down to science it becomes only 3 persons. 1 in Physics and 2 in Chemistry.

It is mind buggling, a sad stroke of bitter reality, an almost unbelievable truth - goes a long way to show the disturbing level of intellectual decay in the muslim world.

The cry for dogma, superstition and personal belief became louder than the thirst to know, to discover and to study.

Falhel Al Sa'ad an Iraqi researcher on astronomy once said in an argument.

"The sun circles the earth because it is smaller than the earth as is evident in the Quranic verses.
Have you ever seen the sun move?, i have seen the sun move it makes one move every 24hours.

What i say is based on the Quranic science, he bases his argument on the kind of science i reject caterogically - the modern science i reject categorically.

This science is a heretic innovation that has no confirmation in the Quran, no verse in the Quran indicates that the earth is round and it moves.

Anything that has no indication in the Quran is false "


I can only sigh to this.


Women

The position of women in Islam is clear and explicit, they are no less than subjugated class ruled and run by the Masculine folks who can acquire up to 4.

The rights accorded to women are so limited in the Muslim world that it totally stands out across the earth, women have no basic right to drive in most muslim countries, to dress as they deem fit or even to vote in many countries.

Their voices are no more than whispers in the dark, bitter, neglected and broken.

This is the mark of a tradition so interwoven in the past that it has refused to evolve, to modify and see women better and freer.

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Barbarism

Wife stoning [Penalty for Adultry
honour killings [Penalty for demeaning the family name]
Apostate killing [Penalty for apostacy]
Limb amputations [ Penalty for stealing]

There are thousands of ways by which the islamic ideologies serve barbarism, injustice and clear abhorrable rules as Lawful sentences, the sentence of 9 Nigerian citizens to death in Kano gives credence to this, with millions of other examples scattered all over the globe, all giving subtle insights on how the muslim world has remain chained in a medieval ideology consonant with the evolving world we are in.



Terrorism

Most Muslims are not terrorists but many muslims are terrorists. The rate of Islamic militants in the globe is scary, almost every nation with a reasonable amount of Muslims has seen its fair share of Religious killings, rampages and most times idiotic protests that culminates into full scale terrorism.

Jihad is an antique idea, only should be studied as a topic in antiquity and not practised in the 21st century.

Many will argue that Islam does not breed terrorism, let us represent this clearly.

Muslims are people
Islam is a religion
Islamism is a theoretic political ideology that seeks to govern by sharia law
Jihadist use military force to achieve Islamism worldwide
Jihadi terrorists are Islamists that attack civilians to achieve their goals.
Al Queda, Boko Haram, ISIS are Militant Islamist Jihadi terrorists.


There is no more truer way to put it than this.

Islam and the new world

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One thing has never ceased to baffle me about the Muslim world, sack a whole city to the ground and everyone pretends nothing happened, insult a long dead arab man - billions of people go berserk and call for your head.

It is something my mind has failed to grasp even an iota of rationality from, it is simply idiotic.

Muslims must realize we are in an ever changing world, constantly evolving both in ideologies, ethics, politics, philosophy, intellect and technology, if you cannot move with the world, at least do not try drag the whole world down your own mess.

I have encountered muslims who has always argued that "There will always be muslims, even though i doubt the certainty of this statement as it has been proven that the religions of today always become the history topics of tomorrow, i think the more truer statement should be, " there will always be non-muslims" as well as muslims.

so if we are to coexist for our own betterment and continuity of our kind, they should all better chill out and move along with the modern world.


Burqa

Most people mistake this as a cultural regalia, this is no more than an unjust imposition on women by a perverted male dominated system, a type of clothing aimed at putting on the victims the responsibility of taming the beastiful perversion of the masculine folks.

It is a modern representation of slave-like imposition and should in no way be mistaken as a cultural attire in the societies where these are found.

Women especially in Islam must learn this to be an uncalled burden laid on them, they must resist and fight for their own freedom to choose what and how they like to dress and be respected on that or they will continue to live in silence and pretence which sometimes becomes a mark of complicity.



There must be room for change, room for modification of ideologies consonant with our time, for if we don't change - we never grow.

By Johnydon22..

For the people throwing tantrums below, you lots have been served - What needs saying has been said.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by DickDastardly(m): 7:38pm On Nov 07, 2016
Babarism to say the least .... spits very thick sputum on them all sad angry

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by hahn(m): 6:39am On Nov 08, 2016
Islam is aimed at the critically illiterate and a tool of subjugation. undecided

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by golpen(m): 12:56pm On Nov 08, 2016
This op is not new to many Muslims here. It is a clear copy paste from one of their numerous hate sites of bigotry and propaganda against Islam. In as much as I personally would have loved to be quiet, I'll instead make my clarifications because of some Muslims who may be reading this for the first time or not, and probably haven't got a concrete rebuttal.

I'll first start with the appreciation of the acknowledgement of the thriving Islamic days, but will be more grateful if it can also be noted that the rightful modern evolution of science, technology, language and communication arts, rule of law amongst other aspects of human endeavours can also be largely attributed to only Islam and what comes with it. This will bring me to the op's first pont:

Science; fact is, their is no mathematical or scientific inventions which comes from any other religious scripture except the quran. As agreed, a man called Al-khwarthmi invented the principles of the two most important aspects of mathematics, ALGEBRA AND ALGORITHMS. These two has helped to evolution of technology by far. If the writer of this article has written these by any digital means, he has directly benefitted from Islam and the quran in particular, because these inventions were inspired while the great man studied the sharing of inheritance in a part of the Quran. There are so many developments that are being discovered by the day through Islam. Professor Keith Moore's case of discovery of the correct stages human metamorphosis in embryology is one that happened recently. He was able to get right his study through the help of the Quran. None the less, their are numerous Muslims, that have been on the fields of research and discovery in science. Islam encourages search for knowledge.

Women; this is a funny aspect that bothers me to question people's sense of judgement. Firstly, as a native human being with natural intelligence, it is agreed upon that indecent dressing is not of a good portrayal. Likewise, those that encourage your young ladies to walk naked on your streets are seen in suits and long dresses in their corporate offices, even when it's hot as he'll, yet that has never been questioned. It shows how majority have been brainwashed by trending opinions of Western ideologies coming from a few people who don't allow their kids to practice what harm they have filled the society with. The nuns are fully dressed like the Muslim women, so are the orthodox christians, but a swipe at Islam is always appreciated by many blind folks in this regard. It is the bush people who dress half/unclad, they are from the primitive ages and if the truth should be said, it is degradingly primitive for women to dress with impressive parts of their bodies showing, no matter how beautifying it looks.


Terrorism ; this is a very sensitive issue in today's world. It further depicts how mentally lazy humans have evolved to become. They are fed with hate propaganda and they swallow it all hook, line and sinker. That would have only made a little damage, if every condemnation posed by majority of Muslims in the world have been allowed to yield any sense to their ears, but people want to listen to what they want to listen to anyway. What should be noted is this, believing that Islam is a reason for these recent terrorist acts is a major means of fuelling further acts of terror. This means you are perfectly going in line with the plans of the evil plotters, Muslim or not, and you are providing a hiding tent for them to plot more harm. It is now evident that most non-Muslims entertain these news in order to spite the Muslims nearer to them, so much so that if there's no terrorist act for a period, they become dissatisfied about their wrong judgement of Islam. They want more lives taken and that it should be that Muslims are the terrorists. But come to think, Hitler killed 3million at a go, LRA are still eating human flesh about, the Christian crusades ended millions of lives, slavery and killing of twins were perpetuated by Christian missionaries, who in the process killed your forefathers and rendered the others useless. Palestine is yet to gain a state in their own rightful homes, but all these are of no concern to the bigots and dogmatic ignorants.

Barbarism; I don't know which is barbaric among a Saudi Arabia where christians rush to live in and earn good despite these barbaric rules, a United States of America which has a record of the highest number of homeless people, prisoners and handicapped veterans in the world and a Nigeria, where you can tel me what state it is. Women not being allowed to drive or vote is a socio-cultural opinion, and not religious. But the bible requires a woman to keep silent in the church and not speak ehn if she wants to ask a question. The bible asks you to kill, with your own hands, he who invites you to worship another god. So many barbaric verses in the bible and other scriptures, but I'll guess you want to look at Islam ONLY, and even it doesn't fall into the pit which you have dug for it, at least you can put it with your hate speeches.

Islam and the new world; Islam in the new world is the fastest growing religion in the world, majority of the influx being WOMEN, those whom haters have claimed it disrespect. a religion of peace that encourages to treat a non follower as right as a muslim, a religion that teaches unity, search for truth, justice and every other right trends of life. Islam in the new world is a religion that has stood the test of time, its scriptures blending perfectly with the discoveries and events of the new world. It has defined human and the one true God as what they are to each other. A religion that us not sorry for the pain it has inflicted in the hearts of antagonists by standing tall alone without the effect of any western inhuman ideologies or hate pictorials it has been painted with. A religion you should look into with open hearts and better understanding and come into eternal light. Verily, when the truth arrives, falsehood vanished into thin air.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Empiree: 5:55pm On Nov 08, 2016
Johnydon22,

burqa forced down your throat or your wife?. Weting concern your agbero with muslim women?
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by DevotedOne(m): 7:51pm On Nov 08, 2016
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.

This first video made me wonder, then I understood, why Prophet Isa PBUH, commanded to know: "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Is stoning even part of sharia law? The people in the stoning photo posted above, look as though they were having a party.

Video: Father Helps ISIS Militants Stone Daughter as per Sharia


'In God's Name" ~ A young American who grew up in the heartland tells 60 Minutes what made him try to join ISIS in Syria


Wassalaam. DevotedOne
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Nobody: 8:33pm On Nov 08, 2016
golpen:
This op is not new to many Muslims here. It is a clear copy paste from one of their numerous hate sites of bigotry and propaganda against Islam. In as much as I personally would have loved to be quiet, I'll instead make my clarifications because of some Muslims who may be reading this for the first time or not, and probably haven't got a concrete rebuttal.

I'll first start with the appreciation of the acknowledgement of the thriving Islamic days, but will be more grateful if it can also be noted that the rightful modern evolution of science, technology, language and communication arts, rule of law amongst other aspects of human endeavours can also be largely attributed to only Islam and what comes with it. This will bring me to the op's first pont:

Science; fact is, their is no mathematical or scientific inventions which comes from any other religious scripture except the quran. As agreed, a man called Al-khwarthmi invented the principles of the two most important aspects of mathematics, ALGEBRA AND ALGORITHMS. These two has helped to evolution of technology by far. If the writer of this article has written these by any digital means, he has directly benefitted from Islam and the quran in particular, because these inventions were inspired while the great man studied the sharing of inheritance in a part of the Quran. There are so many developments that are being discovered by the day through Islam. Professor Keith Moore's case of discovery of the correct stages human metamorphosis in embryology is one that happened recently. He was able to get right his study through the help of the Quran. None the less, their are numerous Muslims, that have been on the fields of research and discovery in science. Islam encourages search for knowledge.

Women; this is a funny aspect that bothers me to question people's sense of judgement. Firstly, as a native human being with natural intelligence, it is agreed upon that indecent dressing is not of a good portrayal. Likewise, those that encourage your young ladies to walk naked on your streets are seen in suits and long dresses in their corporate offices, even when it's hot as he'll, yet that has never been questioned. It shows how majority have been brainwashed by trending opinions of Western ideologies coming from a few people who don't allow their kids to practice what harm they have filled the society with. The nuns are fully dressed like the Muslim women, so are the orthodox christians, but a swipe at Islam is always appreciated by many blind folks in this regard. It is the bush people who dress half/unclad, they are from the primitive ages and if the truth should be said, it is degradingly primitive for women to dress with impressive parts of their bodies showing, no matter how beautifying it looks.


Terrorism ; this is a very sensitive issue in today's world. It further depicts how mentally lazy humans have evolved to become. They are fed with hate propaganda and they swallow it all hook, line and sinker. That would have only made a little damage, if every condemnation posed by majority of Muslims in the world have been allowed to yield any sense to their ears, but people want to listen to what they want to listen to anyway. What should be noted is this, believing that Islam is a reason for these recent terrorist acts is a major means of fuelling further acts of terror. This means you are perfectly going in line with the plans of the evil plotters, Muslim or not, and you are providing a hiding tent for them to plot more harm. It is now evident that most non-Muslims entertain these news in order to spite the Muslims nearer to them, so much so that if there's no terrorist act for a period, they become dissatisfied about their wrong judgement of Islam. They want more lives taken and that it should be that Muslims are the terrorists. But come to think, Hitler killed 3million at a go, LRA are still eating human flesh about, the Christian crusades ended millions of lives, slavery and killing of twins were perpetuated by Christian missionaries, who in the process killed your forefathers and rendered the others useless. Palestine is yet to gain a state in their own rightful homes, but all these are of no concern to the bigots and dogmatic ignorants.

Barbarism; I don't know which is barbaric among a Saudi Arabia where christians rush to live in and earn good despite these barbaric rules, a United States of America which has a record of the highest number of homeless people, prisoners and handicapped veterans in the world and a Nigeria, where you can tel me what state it is. Women not being allowed to drive or vote is a socio-cultural opinion, and not religious. But the bible requires a woman to keep silent in the church and not speak ehn if she wants to ask a question. The bible asks you to kill, with your own hands, he who invites you to worship another god. So many barbaric verses in the bible and other scriptures, but I'll guess you want to look at Islam ONLY, and even it doesn't fall into the pit which you have dug for it, at least you can put it with your hate speeches.

Islam and the new world; Islam in the new world is the fastest growing religion in the world, majority of the influx being WOMEN, those whom haters have claimed it disrespect. a religion of peace that encourages to treat a non follower as right as a muslim, a religion that teaches unity, search for truth, justice and every other right trends of life. Islam in the new world is a religion that has stood the test of time, its scriptures blending perfectly with the discoveries and events of the new world. It has defined human and the one true God as what they are to each other. A religion that us not sorry for the pain it has inflicted in the hearts of antagonists by standing tall alone without the effect of any western inhuman ideologies or hate pictorials it has been painted with. A religion you should look into with open hearts and better understanding and come into eternal light. Verily, when the truth arrives, falsehood vanished into thin air.

Maa shaaa Allaah, I couldn't have said it better. Barakallaahu feekum.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by golpen(m): 9:47pm On Nov 08, 2016
RABIUSHILE04:


Maa shaaa Allaah, I couldn't have said it better. Barakallaahu feekum.

Ameen... Wa iyyakum my brother.
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Deicide: 6:04pm On Nov 09, 2016
golpen:
This op is not new to many Muslims here. It is a clear copy paste from one of their numerous hate sites of bigotry and propaganda against Islam. In as much as I personally would have loved to be quiet, I'll instead make my clarifications because of some Muslims who may be reading this for the first time or not, and probably haven't got a concrete rebuttal.

Since Johnnydon22 day Fear to Accept that Disclaimer B4 he is Able to Comment On his Own Post i guess I'll try with this...

Please Can You tell Us Where This Beautifull Piece From The Op is Being Copied From?

And Please Did I hear you Say Hate Propaganda Against Islam? Why not Against Christianity But Islam? If Your Religion doesn't Pose A Threat To The Society Why should People Speak Evil about It and Don't do The Same For Christianity?

I'll first start with the appreciation of the acknowledgement of the thriving Islamic days, but will be more grateful if it can also be noted that the rightful modern evolution of science, technology, language and communication arts, rule of law amongst other aspects of human endeavours can also be largely attributed to only Islam and what comes with it. This will bring me to the op's first pont:
This Achievements Where Not Because Of Islamic Religion (other than its mandate for military expansion). In fact, the religion tends to discourages knowledge outside of itself (Quran 5:101-102), which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

Science; fact is, their is no mathematical or scientific inventions which comes from any other religious scripture except the quran. As agreed, a man called Al-khwarthmi invented the principles of the two most important aspects of mathematics, ALGEBRA AND ALGORITHMS. These two has helped to evolution of technology by far. If the writer of this article has written these by any digital means, he has directly benefitted from Islam and the quran in particular, because these inventions were inspired while the great man studied the sharing of inheritance in a part of the Quran. There are so many developments that are being discovered by the day through Islam. Professor Keith Moore's case of discovery of the correct stages human metamorphosis in embryology is one that happened recently. He was able to get right his study through the help of the Quran. None the less, their are numerous Muslims, that have been on the fields of research and discovery in science. Islam encourages search for knowledge.

First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by dhimmi Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (Althougho one large reason is that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).

many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when it was, in fact, a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim" science until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). As Mark Steyn puts it, "When admirers talk up Islam and the great innovations and rich culture of its heyday, they forget that even at its height Muslims were never more than a minority in the Muslim world, and they were in large part living off the energy of others."

The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

Third, the accomplished scientists and cultural icons who were Muslim were often considered heretics in their day, sometimes with good reason. One of the greatest achievers to come out of the Muslim world was the Persian scientist and philosopher, al-Razi. His impressive works are often held up as 'proof' of Muslim accomplishment. But what apologists often leave out is that al-Razi was denounced as a blasphemer, since he followed his own religious beliefs – which were in obvious contradiction to traditional Islam.

Fourth, even the contributions that are attributed to Islam (often inaccurately) are not terribly dramatic. There is the 'invention' of certain words, such as alchemy and elixir (and assassin, by the way) but not much else that survives in modern technology which is of practical significance. Neither is there any reason to believe that such discoveries would not have easily been made by the West following the cultural awakening triggered by the Reformation.

As an example, consider that Muslims claim credit for coffee - in the sense that they popularized existing knowledge of Africans who were caught up in the Arab slave trade. However, consider also that the red dye used in many food products, from cranberry juice to candy, comes from the abdomen of a particular female beetle found in South America. It is extremely unlikely that Western science would not have stumbled across coffee by now.

In fact, the litany of “Muslim” achievement often takes the form of rhapsody, in which the true origins of these discoveries are omitted - along with their comparative significance to Western achievement. One usually doesn't hear about the dismal fate of original accomplishments either. Those who brag about the great observatory of Taqi al-Din in [freshly conquered] Istanbul, for example, often neglect to mention that it was quickly destroyed by the caliphate.

At the end of the day, the record of scientific, medical and technological accomplishment is not something over which Muslim apologists want to get into a contest with the Christian and Jewish world. Today’s Islamic innovators are better known for turning Western technology, such as cell phones and airplanes, into instruments of mass murder.

To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.

Women; this is a funny aspect that bothers me to question people's sense of judgement. Firstly, as a native human being with natural intelligence, it is agreed upon that indecent dressing is not of a good portrayal. Likewise, those that encourage your young ladies to walk naked on your streets are seen in suits and long dresses in their corporate offices, even when it's hot as he'll, yet that has never been questioned. It shows how majority have been brainwashed by trending opinions of Western ideologies coming from a few people who don't allow their kids to practice what harm they have filled the society with. The nuns are fully dressed like the Muslim women, so are the orthodox christians, but a swipe at Islam is always appreciated by many blind folks in this regard. It is the bush people who dress half/unclad, they are from the primitive ages and if the truth should be said, it is degradingly primitive for women to dress with impressive parts of their bodies showing, no matter how beautifying it looks.

If You Like Cover Your Body From Head to Toe! A Pervet Is still A pervet!

That Being Said People Should be allowed To dressed How they Want to and Not Being forced to Dressed How they want You to... I was Watching aljezera one day And this Young Woman Was Crying When She was Being Interviewed She said When they Where Young They had The Freedom They Wanted But when it Comes to The Age they really Need this Freedom the Most it was Being Seized from they. They no longer have the Right to Make decision Concerning Their Lives Again.

Those Females in The Muslim World Are living in Bondage...

Terrorism ; this is a very sensitive issue in today's world. It further depicts how mentally lazy humans have evolved to become. They are fed with hate propaganda and they swallow it all hook, line and sinker. That would have only made a little damage, if every condemnation posed by majority of Muslims in the world have been allowed to yield any sense to their ears, but people want to listen to what they want to listen to anyway. What should be noted is this, believing that Islam is a reason for these recent terrorist acts is a major means of fuelling further acts of terror. This means you are perfectly going in line with the plans of the evil plotters, Muslim or not, and you are providing a hiding tent for them to plot more harm. It is now evident that most non-Muslims entertain these news in order to spite the Muslims nearer to them, so much so that if there's no terrorist act for a period, they become dissatisfied about their wrong judgement of Islam. They want more lives taken and that it should be that Muslims are the terrorists. But come to think, Hitler killed 3million at a go, LRA are still eating human flesh about, the Christian crusades ended millions of lives, slavery and killing of twins were perpetuated by Christian missionaries, who in the process killed your forefathers and rendered the others useless. Palestine is yet to gain a state in their own rightful homes, but all these are of no concern to the bigots and dogmatic ignorants.

Yes Christian Killed But Has Muslims Stop killing?

To my Understanding All Muslim Support terrorism If you Guys are Really Against It you Would have Protested Against It.. I still Remember The Danish Cartoon Or Have You Forgoton the Incident? Muslim Came out In Thousand To protest Why are They Not Doing It Against Islam Extremist?

The Different between The Extremist and The Moderate Is That One Has The balls To be a True Muslim While The Other Don't But Support The Act Any Ways. .

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Empiree: 11:49pm On Nov 09, 2016
Deicide:

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Yes Christian Killed But Has Muslims Stop killing?
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Thank God you bold enough to admit christians killed but you shied away from saying they are still killing. So i tell you now they are still killing.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by hahn(m): 6:43am On Nov 10, 2016
Empiree:
Thank God you bold enough to admit christians killed but you shied away from saying they are still killing. So i tell you now they are still killing.

So? Will the fact that Christians kill for Jesus make you believe that Jesus is your personal Lord and savior?

Will Christians now worship Allah simply because Muslims kill for it?

Islam and Christianity are simply different sides of the same coin.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Empiree: 6:56am On Nov 10, 2016
hahn:


So? Will the fact that Christians kill for Jesus make you believe that Jesus is your personal Lord and savior?

Will Christians now worship Allah simply because Muslims kill for it?

Islam and Christianity are simply different sides of the same coin.
you did not address my question. Are Christians still killing now or not?
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by hahn(m): 7:18am On Nov 10, 2016
Empiree:
you did not address my question. Are Christians still killing now or not?

Yes. Sure. Christians kill little kids simply because they are "suspected" to be witches etc

Now, answer my own questions.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Empiree: 12:37pm On Nov 10, 2016
hahn:


Yes. Sure. Christians kill little kids simply because they are "suspected" to be witches etc

You still dont get it. I am not concerned about witches. I am talking about killings on MACRO level as seen before and today. In those days they killed people with their cross signs showing their christian faith and they killed people in the name of God. Today, their mode of dressing has changed but they still pursing the same old agenda.

They are now in suit and tie but still killing for God while they hide behind "democracy". They killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and still killing but hide their evil behind terrorism.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by hahn(m): 12:57pm On Nov 10, 2016
Empiree:
You still dont get it. I am not concerned about witches. I am talking about killings on MACRO level as seen before and today. In those days they killed people with their cross signs showing their christian faith and they killed people in the name of God. Today, their mode of dressing has changed but they still pursing the same old agenda. They are now in suit but still killing for God but they hiding behind "democracy". They killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somali and still killing but hide their evil behind terrorism.

How does this answer my questions? undecided

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Empiree: 2:49pm On Nov 10, 2016
hahn:


How does this answer my questions? undecided
case close. Christians still killing
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by hahn(m): 3:00pm On Nov 10, 2016
Empiree:
case close. Christians still killing

Lol. Intellectual dishonesty on display.

Continue

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Seun(m): 8:28pm On Nov 10, 2016
Empiree:
case close. Christians still killing
Those killings you speak of are not being done in the name of Christianity. I've not heard or seen any American soldier shouting "Jesus is Lord!!" just before shooting a Muslim for being a Muslim. Even in wars were the west is partly to blame, the vast majority of the Muslims killed have been killed by other Muslims rather than the Americans or NATO or Russia. You could say that muslims are killing muslims using weapons made by Christians. That's more accurate.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by donjazet(m): 8:47pm On Nov 10, 2016
Johnydon22, you just got yourself a fan.
Very nice and articulate article. Brilliant masterpiece

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Empiree: 8:54pm On Nov 10, 2016
Seun:
Those killings you speak of are not being done in the name of Christianity. I've not heard or seen any American soldier shouting "Jesus is Lord!!" just before shooting a Muslim for being a Muslim. Even in wars were the west is partly to blame, the vast majority of the Muslims killed have bern killed by other Muslims rather than the Americans or NATO or Russia. You could say that muslims are killing muslims using weapons made by Christians. That's more accurate.
You should be better than this man. Invasion of Iraq was based on white lies. And all the coalition forces, if you google their leaders are all Christians. Common man, i do not expect them to shout christian slogans because they claimed they have "separation of church and state". But they wrote "in Jesus name on their weapons. They wrote "for God so love the world he gave his begotten son" on their weapons. They are too smart to shout christian slogan to avoid suspicion and backlash. What they did and still doing in that region is colonialism. PERIOD

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by abduljabbar4(m): 9:16pm On Nov 10, 2016
Empiree:
You should be better than this man. Invasion of Iraq was based on white lies. And all the coalition forces, if you google their leaders are all Christians. Common man, i do not expect them to shout christian slogans because they claimed they have "separation of church and state". But they wrote "in Jesus name on their weapons. They wrote "for God so love the world he gave his begotten son" on their weapons. They are too smart to shout christian slogan to avoid suspicion and backlash. What they did and still doing in that region is colonialism. PERIOD

Their problem is hypocrisy. I was shocked by one of his posts today

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Nobody: 4:02am On Nov 11, 2016
Seun:
Those killings you speak of are not being done in the name of Christianity. I've not heard or seen any American soldier shouting "Jesus is Lord!!" just before shooting a Muslim for being a Muslim. Even in wars were the west is partly to blame, the vast majority of the Muslims killed have bern killed by other Muslims rather than the Americans or NATO or Russia. You could say that muslims are killing muslims using weapons made by Christians. That's more accurate.

you are very ignorant. i am beginning to believe that atheist are not smart people, you allow yourself to deceived, just read what you posted.

you've been told that they still kill but hiding it under "democracy" and you expect them to shout in jesus name? thats not smart.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Seun(m): 5:12am On Nov 11, 2016
lexiconkabir:
you've been told that they still kill but hiding it under "democracy" and you expect them to shout in jesus name? thats not smart.
Well the muslims shout "God Is Great" in Arabic just before slaughtering people. That's how we know that their killings are religiously motivated.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Nobody: 5:43am On Nov 11, 2016
Seun:
Well the muslims shout "God Is Great" in Arabic just before slaughtering people. That's how we know that their killings are religiously motivated.

another ignorance, their killings are not religiously motivated but POLITICALLY motivated, it isnt rocket science to discover this, the scholars of Islam issued many fatwas calling the deviants back to the pristine essense of Islam, some scholars has even lost their lives in the process and you say its religiously motivated?

The Christians on the otherhand hypocritically deceive people like you who don't know how to separate the wheat from the chaff, they take everything like sheeps, they kill but hide it under another form, you've been told that 2corinthians 4:6 is written on their weapons, which reads;

"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

read this http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

you guys don't really know anything, you are in dark.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Nobody: 9:10am On Nov 11, 2016
Empiree:
You should be better than this man. Invasion of Iraq was based on white lies. And all the coalition forces, if you google their leaders are all Christians. Common man, i do not expect them to shout christian slogans because they claimed they have "separation of church and state". But they wrote "in Jesus name on their weapons. They wrote "for God so love the world he gave his begotten son" on their weapons. They are too smart to shout christian slogan to avoid suspicion and backlash. What they did and still doing in that region is colonialism. PERIOD

Empiree, what do you expect from HYPOCRITES b4. U can't expect them to shout 'jesus is lord', dey are wolf in sheep clothing. They stab u behind, and pretend like they like you. Plus, they(USA) from the mouth of Hillary that they created ISIS, AlQaeda etc(reference Youtube) They fight war with pen and paper in their wacky suits and ties, cuz they know majorilty of ppl are EDUCATED illiterates, who are willing to blv what dey wish to believe! I think Seun is just ignorant of the subject matter, brother u r better dan dis.
PS: They don't believe in the 'Jesus Is Lord' b4 na! Them dey see Islaam dey progress more and more, make e no b like say dem no get religion, thus thr 'jesu loluwa!
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Nobody: 9:12am On Nov 11, 2016
Empiree:
You still dont get it. I am not concerned about witches. I am talking about killings on MACRO level as seen before and today. In those days they killed people with their cross signs showing their christian faith and they killed people in the name of God. Today, their mode of dressing has changed but they still pursing the same old agenda. They are now in suit but still killing for God but they hiding behind "democracy". They killed millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somali and still killing but hide their evil behind terrorism.

Empiree, shukran jazilan yah akhee.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Nobody: 9:20am On Nov 11, 2016
Seun:
Those killings you speak of are not being done in the name of Christianity. I've not heard or seen any American soldier shouting "Jesus is Lord!!" just before shooting a Muslim for being a Muslim. Even in wars were the west is partly to blame, the vast majority of the Muslims killed have been killed by other Muslims rather than the Americans or NATO or Russia. You could say that muslims are killing muslims using weapons made by Christians. That's more accurate.

Hiiaaa, u have not heard of an American soldier shouting 'jesus is lord' do they even blv he's lord ni?! One thing I like the whites is that, they are honest, they tell u Islaam is not abt terrorism, even when they r not muslims. They(the soldiers) are the ones sent to the Iraq, Kabul and d likes, wen they come bak and realise the truth behind their countries peace CRAP, they just seclude dem selves away frm their ppl, and if any gat balls, uploads evidences on youtube, b4 we say UP NEPA, e don PEME, making it look like its suicide, dem don UNyoutube am. If u stil blv in dis 'allaahu akbar' by killers of innocents, u r no different from an uneducated person. U sabi say this their 'allahu akbar' slogan, dey do it for both muslims and xtians..dey enta mosque more, they kill scholars of islaam more. Anyways, na CNN, Aljazeera, BBC wey u dey watch de cause am, they r owned by anitIslaamist!!!

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by Deicide: 10:51am On Nov 11, 2016
Empiree:
Thank God you bold enough to admit christians killed but you shied away from saying they are still killing. So i tell you now[b] they are still killing[/b].
in the name of christianity? if so i want you to provide evidence for it.
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by golpen(m): 11:13am On Nov 11, 2016
Deicide:

Since Johnnydon22 day Fear to Accept that Disclaimer B4 he is Able to Comment On his Own Post i guess I'll try with this...

Please Can You tell Us Where This Beautifull Piece From The Op is Being Copied From?

And Please Did I hear you Say Hate Propaganda Against Islam? Why not Against Christianity But Islam? If Your Religion doesn't Pose A Threat To The Society Why should People Speak Evil about It and Don't do The Same For Christianity?


That's a question you should ask the OP about if he actually wrote the article by himself or a product of copy paste?

Why not against Christianity, because Muslims don't need to bring down a religion through lies and bigotry to survive and maintain a top spot as fastest growing religion in the world. Muslims are mature enough to understand that no religion in its doctrine preaches crime and terrorism and that the actions of a 0.01% don't depict a whole religion.

This Achievements Where Not Because Of Islamic Religion (other than its mandate for military expansion). In fact, the religion tends to discourages knowledge outside of itself (Quran 5:101-102), which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by dhimmi Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (Althougho one large reason is that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).

many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when it was, in fact, a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim" science until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). As Mark Steyn puts it, "When admirers talk up Islam and the great innovations and rich culture of its heyday, they forget that even at its height Muslims were never more than a minority in the Muslim world, and they were in large part living off the energy of others."

The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

Third, the accomplished scientists and cultural icons who were Muslim were often considered heretics in their day, sometimes with good reason. One of the greatest achievers to come out of the Muslim world was the Persian scientist and philosopher, al-Razi. His impressive works are often held up as 'proof' of Muslim accomplishment. But what apologists often leave out is that al-Razi was denounced as a blasphemer, since he followed his own religious beliefs – which were in obvious contradiction to traditional Islam.

Fourth, even the contributions that are attributed to Islam (often inaccurately) are not terribly dramatic. There is the 'invention' of certain words, such as alchemy and elixir (and assassin, by the way) but not much else that survives in modern technology which is of practical significance. Neither is there any reason to believe that such discoveries would not have easily been made by the West following the cultural awakening triggered by the Reformation.

As an example, consider that Muslims claim credit for coffee - in the sense that they popularized existing knowledge of Africans who were caught up in the Arab slave trade. However, consider also that the red dye used in many food products, from cranberry juice to candy, comes from the abdomen of a particular female beetle found in South America. It is extremely unlikely that Western science would not have stumbled across coffee by now.

In fact, the litany of “Muslim” achievement often takes the form of rhapsody, in which the true origins of these discoveries are omitted - along with their comparative significance to Western achievement. One usually doesn't hear about the dismal fate of original accomplishments either. Those who brag about the great observatory of Taqi al-Din in [freshly conquered] Istanbul, for example, often neglect to mention that it was quickly destroyed by the caliphate.

At the end of the day, the record of scientific, medical and technological accomplishment is not something over which Muslim apologists want to get into a contest with the Christian and Jewish world. Today’s Islamic innovators are better known for turning Western technology, such as cell phones and airplanes, into instruments of mass murder.

To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.


I have given you the sources of the very few points I gave. Al-khwarithmi got the logic of algebra and algorithms from the Quran, Prof. Keith Moore got his research on embryology right through the Quran. Let me add more for you, ibn-sina (avecinnia), who is the father of modern medicine, got most of his inspiration from the prophetic medical practise and the remaining part from the Quran. A quote of a Quranic verse is engraved at the entrance of the faculty of law in Oxford, and is acclaimed to be the best quote on justice in the world.

I actually agree with a part of your text that some attributions to Arabic scholars were wrongly made, but also, some conspiracies and confusions were also concocted to take some credits away from them on the other hand. Fact is just that, this part of your text will make sense, only if you can provide an invention that came about from the pool of scientific fallacies contained in the bible.

If You Like Cover Your Body From Head to Toe! A Pervet Is still A pervet!

That Being Said People Should be allowed To dressed How they Want to and Not Being forced to Dressed How they want You to... I was Watching aljezera one day And this Young Woman Was Crying When She was Being Interviewed She said When they Where Young They had The Freedom They Wanted But when it Comes to The Age they really Need this Freedom the Most it was Being Seized from they. They no longer have the Right to Make decision Concerning Their Lives Again.

Those Females in The Muslim World Are living in Bondage...


If you like, walk unclad to your churches and homosick centres... No matter how you lie that one's faith lies in the heart, truth is the body is an embodiment casing of the heart. That is why you won't allow your sister to wear a bumshot to a corporate interview. No matter what's on her head, a wayward is a wayward and she'll be sent off like a puking dog.

Yes we're aware that dressing all covered up is not a certificate of good values, but it is a core part that reveals a scent of decency in women. A Muslim woman is comfortable with the way she covers up but your nak.ed women are faced with sunburns, partitioning a part of their skin to Joseph's coat of many colours. Rectification is forced on her in the process of losing her confidence, so she joins the bleaching squard (they device a more soothing word 'tonning'). She turns completely different and is caged with having to continue the chemical even if it means payment goes through her nose to take food from her mouth. So Please tell us, who's in bandage? Lol...

Yes Christian Killed But Has Muslims Stop killing?

To my Understanding All Muslim Support terrorism If you Guys are Really Against It you Would have Protested Against It.. I still Remember The Danish Cartoon Or Have You Forgoton the Incident? Muslim Came out In Thousand To protest Why are They Not Doing It Against Islam Extremist?

The Different between The Extremist and The Moderate Is That One Has The balls To be a True Muslim While The Other Don't But Support The Act Any Ways. .

At last, you did what all hypocrites do. You shot yourself in the leg, in a bid to pose as a smart man who's well acquainted with human history.

Okay good, since you couldn't but agree that the christian killed, I might do well to ask you these questions;

*kindly give us an approximate figure of the killings by christians in this period they did.

*kindly give us the reason why.

You'll also do well to find out more, if truly christians still kill or not.

As to whether Muslims condemn terrorist acts or not, you have my answer in my previous post. Thanks.

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by donjazet(m): 12:28pm On Nov 11, 2016
I mistakenly commented on this post and I seriously don't like what I am seeing on my profile.
MOD abeg help me!!!
Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by udatso: 9:42am On Nov 15, 2016
donjazet:
I mistakenly commented on this post and I seriously don't like what I am seeing on my profile.
MOD abeg help me!!!
be patient. It will go off after few days. By the way, you cant mistakenly comment

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Re: Islam In The 21st Century [stuck In The Old Ways In A New World] by ayinba1(f): 2:35am On Nov 16, 2016
udatso:
be patient. It will go off after few days. By the way, you cant mistakenly comment

You tried self! Whenever these people
"accidentally" do the shahada and beg to be let off, I find it totally hilarious!

Although I do not agree with it but NL owner must have thought that it would work best as the sub forum was always cluttered with irrelevant information from non Muslims

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