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Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by aminusanti(m): 2:09am On Nov 14, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
Pls, expose us by explaining the below Violent Quranic verses.


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who DISBELIEVE. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

2 Chronicles (15:13)
That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.


Quran (8:39) - "And FIGHT with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and RELIGION is all for Allah"

Exodus 32:27-29New International Version (NIV)

27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”



Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.


Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness...

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."



Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Exodus 12:29
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (CHRISTIANS), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

(Deuteronomy 17:3-5) "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"

where are all these instructs coming from? is it the same Yahweh giving order to people to murder persons who do not believe in their god. ?? why kill them if they don't believe in him and worship him??
Useless Hypocrites (i.e., cherry picking).
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by aminusanti(m): 3:07am On Nov 14, 2016
alBHAGDADI:


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Quran (8:39) - "And FIGHT with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and RELIGION is all for Allah"


Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."


Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness...


Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."


Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (CHRISTIANS), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by alBHAGDADI: 9:35am On Nov 14, 2016
aminusanti:


2 Chronicles (15:13)
That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
That was a law by Moses for the Nation of ISRAEL. It was like their constitution and not a call to go kill non-israelites who don't conform to their religious ideology.



aminusanti:

Exodus 32:27-29New International Version (NIV)

27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”


That was Moses' command to the Levine tribe of ISRAEL to kill the rebellious Israelites who went against the commandment you quoted in the first above verse. It is not applicable to non-israelites cos it was an Israelite constitution.

aminusanti:

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Still a mosaic law meant for Israel as their constitution.

aminusanti:

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Still a command to Israel as their constitution.

aminusanti:

Exodus 12:29
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

Egypt brought it on themselves when they refused to let the Israelites go from their captivity.

That killing was God doing it Himself, unlike Allah who hires terrorists and bloodthirsty Islamist to kill innocent people.

aminusanti:

(Deuteronomy 17:3-5) "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."
Another law to the Nation of ISRAEL ALONE.

aminusanti:

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
This is pure quoting out of context.

Now, read the verses that came before the one you quoted maliciously. You will see that it was a revenge for what the amalekites did to the Israelites. Pay attention to the words in uppercase letters.

READ


1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I REMEMBER THAT WHICH AMALEK DID TO ISRAEL, HOW HE LAID WAIT FOR HIM IN THE WAY, WHEN HE CAME UP FROM EGYPT.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

aminusanti:

where are all these instructs coming from? is it the same Yahweh giving order to people to murder persons who do not believe in their god. ?? why kill them if they don't believe in him and worship him??
Useless Hypocrites (i.e., cherry picking).


I have explained everything for you and just as many Christians have done countless times on this forum, but an Islamist like you chose to look the other way.

BTW, how come you chose to quote the Bible out of context when you were simply suppose to answer the questions concerning the violent Quran verses?

Look at you condemning Yahweh, yet you turn around to claim He's the same person. as Allah. Are you now condemning Allah?

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Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by annunaki2(m): 10:15am On Nov 14, 2016
abduljabbar4:


Or defending it against *people* that spread lies about it

Are you saying what is written in the quoran are lies Cause what we spread about Islam is sourced straight from the quoran undiluted.
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by Demmzy15(m): 10:23am On Nov 14, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
[s]Hilary Clinton is heavily funded by the Saudi royal family who are also the sponsors of extremist Islam.

Hilary Clinton's PA is a female Muslim with links to Hamas and Hezbollah terror groups.

Hilary Clinton has plans to bring in millions of Syrian Muslim refugees to America , majority of whom are terrorists and radicalised Muslims. Those who Germany allowed into Europe are currently killing Germans by bombing them, stabbing them and fighting for Sharia law in a non-islamic state.

Hilary Clinton has plans to continue with Obama's policies that have been favourable to Muslims. If elected, anyone who dares to criticise Islam will be charged for islamophiobia. That way, Islam can get away with its atrocities cos no one will be able to question it.

The above is just a few.[/s]
You truly take after your mentor, Baghdadi. No wonder you type without thinking!
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by aminusanti(m): 10:46am On Nov 14, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
That was a law by Moses for the Nation of ISRAEL. It was like their constitution and not a call to go kill non-israelites who don't conform to their religious ideology.





That was Moses' command to the Levine tribe of ISRAEL to kill the rebellious Israelites who went against the commandment you quoted in the first above verse. It is not applicable to non-israelites cos it was an Israelite constitution.



Still a mosaic law meant for Israel as their constitution.

Still a command to Israel as their constitution.

Egypt brought it on themselves when they refused to let the Israelites go from their captivity.

That killing was God doing it Himself, unlike Allah who hires terrorists and bloodthirsty Islamist to kill innocent people.

Another law to the Nation of ISRAEL ALONE.

This is pure quoting out of context.

Now, read the verses that came before the one you quoted maliciously. You will see that it was a revenge for what the amalekites did to the Israelites. Pay attention to the words in uppercase letters.

READ


1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I REMEMBER THAT WHICH AMALEK DID TO ISRAEL, HOW HE LAID WAIT FOR HIM IN THE WAY, WHEN HE CAME UP FROM EGYPT.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

I have explained everything for you and just as many Christians have done countless times on this forum, but an Islamist like you chose to look the other way.

BTW, how come you chose to quote the Bible out of context when you were simply suppose to answer the questions concerning the violent Quran verses?

Look at you condemning Yahweh, yet you turn around to claim He's the same person. as Allah. Are you now condemning Allah?

Ooh I see so, those biblical verses got historic context?? And you know how to put them in their context?? And u can't do that to the quranic verses?? What a hypocrite!
U really don't have shame in your life... pls gerrout of sight..

Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by alBHAGDADI: 11:17am On Nov 14, 2016
Demmzy15:
You truly take after your mentor, Baghdadi. No wonder you type without thinking!
but Baghdadi is an Islamic hero na.
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by alBHAGDADI: 11:21am On Nov 14, 2016
aminusanti:


Ooh I see so, those biblical verses got historic context?? And you know how to put them in their context?? And u can't do that to the quranic verses?? What a hypocrite!
U really don't have shame in your life... pls gerrout of sight..
The Islamic verses have no historic context, else you would have stated it here or I would have seen it in the Quran.

How can the below verse have historical context when it says FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO RELIGION BUT THE ONE FOR ALLAH? This simply means Muslims are to continue fighting non-muslims until every human on earth becomes Muslim and Islamic.



Quran (8:39) - "And FIGHT with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and RELIGION is all for Allah"

Or, which other context is there to it?
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by Demmzy15(m): 2:45pm On Nov 14, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
but Baghdadi is an Islamic hero na.
Of course scholars of Islam like Al Khateeb Al Baghdadi were great heroes but you named yourself after ISIS Baghdadi, so he's your mentor. Truthman better switch because we already know you're the one.

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Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by aminusanti(m): 2:56pm On Nov 14, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
The Islamic verses have no historic context, else you would have stated it here or I would have seen it in the Quran.

How can the below verse have historical context when it says FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO RELIGION BUT THE ONE FOR ALLAH? This simply means Muslims are to continue fighting non-muslims until every human on earth becomes Muslim and Islamic.



Quran (8:39) - "And FIGHT with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and RELIGION is all for Allah"

Or, which other context is there to it?

i am not expecting u to comprehend and reason over this straight forward explanation simply bcus you r not here for truth anyways my explanations below goes to d readers as u are already been programmed to view anything islamic as lies..
The verse is predicated on not one but two requirements: (1) the end of fitna and (2) that religion is only to Allah. The second requirement means one must fight on even if fitna has ceased, which essentially boils down to justified persecution of and waging war against the Mushrikeen and Mulhideen.

Explanation

The way you are interpreting this is that Muslim should fight non-stop unless these two conditions are met, but almost all Muslims understand this verse to mean that they can fight to end oppression as well as to establish conditions where they can freely worship God. This is further explained by Hadith where it says that if you see evil, stop it by hand; if you cannot stop it by hand, stop it by your tongue; and if you cannot do that either, then consider that to be evil in your heart. And if you go back to verse 8:34 where kuffar are warned to stop preventing Muslims from performing pilgrimage, the latter part of the verse “and religion is for Allah alone,” makes perfect sense_ the idea being that in al-Masjid al-Haram only God is to be worshipped [the idea being explicitly stated in verse 2:191 which sets the stage for verse 2:193, which is identical to verse 8:39].

For more detail explanation refer to link below
https://controversialislam./quran-verse-839/
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by YoungSoldier(m): 8:44am On Nov 17, 2016
You guys just turn the post to a religious war. why do christians have problem like this? a post that doesn't concern them in anyway oo. They started posting rubbish. Besides, no one is asking you not to practise the religion you like, but it's best you are a muslim because God(Allah) accepts no other religion aside Islam. Islam means peace. Muslims are peaceful. #saynototerrorism.

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Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by dangotesmummy: 9:02am On Nov 17, 2016
Hmnn no people who ever appoints a woman as their leader will prosper.that line caught my attention undecided

So that means all children who's mother is a Muslim will not prosper because their mother's are their first teachers,biological and spiritual leader even before anybody because the first person they came to the world and away was their mother's

And yet they say Islam is not anti women undecided

Tufiaaaaa


Spits ON quoran and every thing it represents

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Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by dangotesmummy: 9:07am On Nov 17, 2016
YoungSoldier:
You guys just turn the post to a religious war. why do christians have problem like this? a post that doesn't concern them in anyway oo. They started posting rubbish. Besides, no one is asking you not to practise the religion you like, but it's best you are a muslim because God(Allah) accepts no other religion aside Islam. Islam means peace. Muslims are peaceful. #saynototerrorism.
islam is terrorism and terrorism is Islam. You cannot take away mass murder and deep seated hatred away from islam

Evidence. Why are all this Muslim nations filled with wars.always bombing and unnecessarily aggressive. They're haters of peace. Even in northern Nigeria. Always quick to kill any Christian envangelist wink

If not because the west has put you guys in check you won't hesitate to bomb every where. Btw it's like THE quoran teaches you how to make bombs and detonate them wink
Re: Do Not Fear Donald Trump [message To All Muslims] by annunaki2(m): 9:15am On Nov 17, 2016
YoungSoldier:
You guys just turn the post to a religious war. why do christians have problem like this? a post that doesn't concern them in anyway oo. They started posting rubbish. Besides, no one is asking you not to practise the religion you like, but it's best you are a muslim because God(Allah) accepts no other religion aside Islam. Islam means peace. Muslims are peaceful. #saynototerrorism.

First of all, Allah is not God but a fake Arabian pagan idol and Islam does not mean peace, it means "to submit". That said Islam has nothing to do with peace as this was a religion founded in violence, spread with violence and sustained with violence.

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