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Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by erico2k2(m): 11:16pm On Nov 07, 2009
Deregulation is the way 4ward, Thank God for those who brought this thinking into our Govt, just see what hapened with the free market that was given to the comunication sector, trust me the Marketers in Nigeria cant fix the prices, Market forces will determine the prices,then there will be pressure on NNPC to maximize thier output cos they wanna make profit too,Importers would all of a sudden realize that its cheaper to buy fuel from NNPC than Import so all they delays and sharp practices that is preventing our refinaries from maximizing its output would be eliminated and thats market forces for you,never under estimate them.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by vislabraye(m): 2:17am On Nov 08, 2009
Deregulation sounds like a good idea but the problem is Nigeria. Whatever works well in other country is the inverse in Nigeria. If the is deregulation, I see the case where a cartel would come together and agree on a fixed price.
Secondly, our refinaries must work. Billions of naira that could build another one has beed spent on this refinaries.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by Nobody: 10:00am On Nov 08, 2009
"what most of you fail to recognize is that Nigeria has defiled the law of economics.when the price of crude oil went down, the prices of petrol in other countries were going down in other while it never went down in Nigeria. Because of the corrupt nature of those who control the economy of this nation such as those who own petrol stations. what is deregulation? it simply means the government can know longer control the prices of whatever is to be deregulated. so if a marketer decides to sell a litre of petrol for 200 naira, then the government has no right to reverse his actions. Do not compare deregulation of telecommunications with deregulation of the petroleum sector. Telecommunication is not a necessity but petrol is a necessity as it affects transportation,food, health and every other sectors of the economy. take for example if the price of petrol rises to 200 naira per litre then the taxi driver will increase his fares and the farmer will increase the price of his products as a result of the increase in transportation.
In the other hand if a gsm company increases the prices of call rates it will never have any impact at all on the cost of transportation or cost of food.
People may say competition will bring down the price of fuel but that will not happen because as I earlier said Nigeria has defiled the law of economics because of corrupt business men, Fuel is a necessity and most business men know that Nigeria will pay whatever cost to buy it even at 200 naira per litre."

@JMOORE,
You are very correct. Should this deregulation take place, what you have just said above is what is going to happen. The consequences I may not know!
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 4:19pm On Nov 08, 2009
wait until you start buying fuel fr 120 naira, then you will know what deregulation really means!
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by erico2k2(m): 6:32pm On Nov 08, 2009
But guys, I think you are only looking at it from one end, look at it from this end, every petrol station will now have fuel for sale,NNPC would not be scraped like NITEL but will be focused on,they will definately wanna make profits,more people would enter the market,there would be no hoding of fuel,ie divert alocation cos everyone is now lifting at same price, no major or independent marketer,what Im trying to say here in local words is for example, If texaco lifts petrol from NNPC @ N55 and intend to sell it @ N65 he wont need to sell his alocations to Bonex petrol station cos he(Texaco) can sell to the public whatever price he wants,my idea is petrol will end up N90-100,.but the best part of this is that its gonna be available and when goods are available market forces determine the price.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 7:09pm On Nov 08, 2009
very good! available alright, but at what price? angry what use is an 'available' product when nobody can buy it?
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by manny4life(m): 11:08pm On Nov 08, 2009
George_D:

very good! available alright, but at what price? angry what use is an 'available' product when nobody can buy it?

That is why the govt regulatory commission is there, they would impose a price ceiling so that consumers can buy other wise the purpose of the deregulation would be useless.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by manny4life(m): 11:35pm On Nov 08, 2009
erico2k2:

But guys, I think you are only looking at it from one end, look at it from this end, every petrol station will now have fuel for sale,NNPC would not be scraped like NITEL  but will be focused on,they will definately wanna make profits,more people would enter the market,there would be no hoding of fuel,ie divert alocation cos everyone is now lifting at same price, no major or independent marketer,what Im trying to say here in local words is for example, If texaco lifts petrol from NNPC @ N55  and intend to sell it @ N65 he wont need to sell his alocations to Bonex petrol station cos he(Texaco) can sell to the public whatever price he wants,my idea is petrol will end up N90-100,.but the best part of this is that its gonna be available  and when goods are available market forces determine the price.

Here is how things will work, in economics there are factors affecting demand and supply, and their major players are consumers (Quantity -Qty), and producers (Price - Pr) respectively. The govt would only intervene after the free market doesn't work itself out, more so has failed and is stagnant and like you explained, when Texaco purchase a liter at N55, and they bypass all third party and deal with the public, and sell at N90 - N100, what happens is that the Qty demanded would decrease drastically, and a % point decrease in Qty translates to one % point in losses with respect to the cost associated in buying the liter which means more price, in other words they buy at N55 was supposed to sell at N65, but wanted to sell at N90, what happens is that they incur more cost for every liter unsold that includes from storage, administrative, and all other contingencies that would arise.

A liter that was to be sold at N65 is now really worth N90, therefore market is stagnant, NNPC can't sell because Texaco isn't buying because they have lots of inventory, then the Govt would intervene, kinda like a bail out, and impose a price ceiling and say a liter of gas cannot be sold no more than N75 since they buy at N55, this is to build consumer confidence, protect the consumers from harsh pricing, and also to stabilize the market, the price ceiling can be changed often when necessary and depending on the scenerios so that price and qty would intersect at equilibrum after that govt would leave it at that price.

So if Govt set price ceiling at N80, suplliers like Texaco who are in the N60 to N70 sale price would tend to sell more than those who sell from N70 to N80 meaning that there is competition now. However, if the Qty demanded becomes more than Qty supplied, Govt would intervene to protect the suppliers from harsh cost and change the price ceiling higher to may be N85 and reduce consumption or leave it at that price and instead give petrol suppliers incentives on the fuel not bought but actually sold to the public. Incentives could be tax breaks and holidays, grants anything that would drive their cost not minimal but standard.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by erico2k2(m): 12:07am On Nov 09, 2009
WoW,
thanks manny4life ,you took all the words out of mi mouth, george D, hope you get what he is saying, Deregulation does not just means there aint gonna be a cap to it, in the Uk, its deregulated alright but there is a way the govt has checked it by taxation,I believe thats what the Nigerian Govt re trying to work out, by the way,I also feel the Govt is tired of being the one to solve the availability of fuel in the country ,If they the petrol sellers hud thier fule they would be losing and trust me,people wana sel to make profits lol,SO in all I do believe this is a smart move, kudos to who ever is doing it.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 1:27pm On Nov 09, 2009
you're saying one thing and exactly the opposite in the same sentence. why placing a price cap on a commodity that is supposed to be 'deregulated'?
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by Beanshead: 1:35pm On Nov 09, 2009
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Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 4:27pm On Nov 09, 2009
you're in the wrong thread, Beanshead.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by manny4life(m): 5:07pm On Nov 09, 2009
George_D:

you're saying one thing and exactly the opposite in the same sentence. why placing a price cap on a commodity that is supposed to be 'deregulated'?

Just before we begin, can u plz tell me in your own context what "Deregulation" means?

Just because a market is derulated does not mean the govt eliminates it's powers to impose certain laws to protect consumers. In other words, deregulation is in place to eliminate major (not all) barrier to entry of market thus creating more competition, removing certain (not all) constraints that, and so on. The govt still reserves the right to impose laws only when it deems it necessary to protect consumers. However, if this price mechanism is used correctly, it will have an impact on the market. In the U.S. and europe where there free market economy, the govt still if necessary impose either price mechanisms in place. I will advice you read more on price ceiling and price floors in deregulated market.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 6:44pm On Nov 09, 2009
friend, it's either you're for deregulation or you're not. you can't eat your cake and still have it!
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by manny4life(m): 7:27pm On Nov 09, 2009
George_D:

friend, it's either you're for deregulation or you're not. you can't eat your cake and still have it!

Fine man whatever you say, its up to you. I won't even start arguing with you
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 9:26am On Nov 10, 2009
sometimes you don't need to argue about something that is so plain obvious.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by erico2k2(m): 11:33am On Nov 10, 2009
Gorge_D, what the man is saying is exactly correct, what the deregulation means in market terms is simply that there wwould no longer be any mechanism for one supplier to buy the product cheaper than the other,ie Bonex petrol station will lifet products from NNPC refinary same price as Texaco and Mobil,B4 Major marketers has all and most of the allocation then resel it to indipendent mktrs, Deregulation eliminates all these.,the Pump price will be determined by market forces whis is usually Inflation.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 8:04pm On Nov 10, 2009
you're not saying what he has said. read his post again. he was talking about a 'price cap'. is that deregulation?
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by naijaking1: 8:47pm On Nov 10, 2009
George_D:

you're not saying what he has said. read his post again. he was talking about a 'price cap'. is that deregulation?

Price cap? That's the most primitive for socialism. Did anybody here read about Gowon's Price control authorities, in the 1970s? To fight inflation, Gowon was adviced to creat the price control authority made up of roving bands of soldiers forcing garri traders to sell a cup of garri less than half of its real price. After about 1 week, it became obvious that the traders didn't want to sell anymore, garri became more scare and then more expensive.The soldiers easily found ways to personally benefit from the situation, and the system almost collapsed.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by manny4life(m): 9:05pm On Nov 10, 2009
George_D:

you're not saying what he has said. read his post again. he was talking about a 'price cap'. is that deregulation?

Dude, where in my post did you hear the word "Price cap"? Just in case you don't know, there is a huge difference between a price cap and price ceiling. What I clearcly said again was price celling; A price ceiling is a form of price mechanism where the govt impose the max amount at which a product will be bought. You know what price is and you know what ceiling is, add the both together and you get your definition. Well in the case you did not know, they have factors that affect deregulation if not balanced properly

I will ask you again, in your own context what is deregulation?

A lot of people fail to understand that Deregulation does not mean that the Govt relinquished its entire power, it just means that several the govt relaxed on certain economic or financial policies, in order to encourage competion and once there's compeition, that's a free market system (FMS)where consumers choose who to buy from, and the first major characteristics of a FMS, is less (and not none) barriers to entry. Besides, the oil industry even after deregulation is still an oligopolistic market anyways

If you read my post very well before jumping into conclusions,
manny4life:

Here is how things will work, in economics there are factors affecting demand and supply, and their major players are consumers (Quantity -Qty), and producers (Price - Pr) respectively. The govt would only intervene after the free market doesn't work itself out, more so has failed and is stagnant and like you explained, when Texaco purchase a liter at N55, and they bypass all third party and deal with the public, and sell at N90 - N100, what happens is that the Qty demanded would decrease drastically, and a % point decrease in Qty translates to one % point in losses with respect to the cost associated in buying the liter which means more price, in other words they buy at N55 was supposed to sell at N65, but wanted to sell at N90, what happens is that they incur more cost for every liter unsold that includes from storage, administrative, and all other contingencies that would arise.

A liter that was to be sold at N65 is now really worth N90, therefore market is stagnant, NNPC can't sell because Texaco isn't buying because they have lots of inventory, then the Govt would intervene, kinda like a bail out, and impose a price ceiling and say a liter of gas cannot be sold no more than N75 since they buy at N55, this is to build consumer confidence, protect the consumers from harsh pricing, and also to stabilize the market, the price ceiling can be changed often when necessary and depending on the scenerios so that price and qty would intersect at equilibrum after that govt would leave it at that price.

So if Govt set price ceiling at N80, suplliers like Texaco who are in the N60 to N70 sale price would tend to sell more than those who sell from N70 to N80 meaning that there is competition now. However, if the Qty demanded becomes more than Qty supplied, Govt would intervene to protect the suppliers from harsh cost and change the price ceiling higher to may be N85 and reduce consumption or leave it at that price and instead give petrol suppliers incentives on the fuel not bought but actually sold to the public. Incentives could be tax breaks and holidays, grants anything that would drive their cost not minimal but standard.



I said after the free market system has failed, a price ceiling is the govt option used to balance Demand and supply. For instance, a lot of markets in the U.S. are deregulated, however let it not surprise you that one major market; utility companies operate under a price ceiling, meaning that they just can't increase you bill just because they want to, it goes through several process to approve just to add one cent to the price.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by erico2k2(m): 9:51pm On Nov 10, 2009
lol you guys dont get it,in the Uk ,Pump price changes by the Hour cos of inflation, what the Ex bos never said is if its gonna be positive or negetive,as usual Nigerian top dogs just try to copy the west without knowing exactly what is involved and the quick fix to the resultant effects.But in all I stil thin deregulation is a positive move,let sus all see what hapens.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by naijaking1: 10:32pm On Nov 10, 2009
manny4life:

I said after the free market system has failed, a price ceiling is the govt option used to balance Demand and supply. For instance, a lot of markets in the U.S. are deregulated, however let it not surprise you that one major market; utility companies operate under a price ceiling, meaning that they just can't increase you bill just because they want to, it goes through several process to approve just to add one cent to the price.

US utilities are not a good example of a deregulated market. In GA and NY, gas companies set and adjust their own prices, and customers have opportunities to switch from one company to another just by notification. I don't see any price ceiling, price cap, or whatever you call it. I do understand the companies being prevented from cheating customers because of bad weather or because of their respective location, but that's not alluding to deregulation, that's obeying the law.
A better example a deregulated industry would be airlines of the 1990s vs airlines of the 1970s before Reagan came to power.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by manny4life(m): 12:09am On Nov 11, 2009
naijaking1:

US utilities are not a good example of a deregulated market. In GA and NY, gas companies set and adjust their own prices, and customers have opportunities to switch from one company to another just by notification. I don't see any price ceiling, price cap, or whatever you call it. I do understand the companies being prevented from cheating customers because of bad weather or because of their respective location, but that's not alluding to deregulation, that's obeying the law.
A better example a deregulated industry would be airlines of the 1990s vs airlines of the 1970s before Reagan came to power.


Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 3:01pm On Nov 11, 2009
so exactly what are you trying to say, brother?
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by stede(m): 3:44am On Nov 12, 2009
may God heal nigeria
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by GeorgeD1(m): 8:31am On Nov 18, 2009
the healing must start from the hearts and minds of the people themselves.
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by dodoro(m): 1:58pm On Nov 29, 2009
this man sanusi is pregnant and at the same time nursing a baby, i hv said it b4 that what this sanusi will bring to nija wears a hat on ist head, God will help us really
Re: Sanusi: Derugulation Will Cause Inflation by flexdee(m): 6:00am On Mar 05, 2012
I think the people we are having at the helms of affairs are so weak and clueless.

We are tired of their talks, let them act and put things right for once.

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