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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by malvisguy212: 4:54am On Jan 19, 2017
Seun:


Actually, humans are apes. Biologically, we have all the characteristics that are used to identify apes as apes. This is an observable fact. The physical differences between humans and chimps are less pronounced than the differences between pugs and greyhounds, which are both dogs. You cannot deny the simple and obvious fact of our anatomical similarities with the other apes, unless you are dishonest or greatly misinformed. Beyond that, our DNA codes, which make us who we are, are very similar to those of other apes. It's unfruitful to reject facts.

Yet the biblical God is unmistakably similar to humans. Perhaps you can reconcile this with the facts by saying that God designed the process of evolution such that it would give rise to an intelligent creature that looks very similar to him. He made man in his image through evolution.
you said evolution are observable fact, who observe it ? Did you ?
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 7:59am On Jan 19, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
The quotes came from the site suggested and specifically his facebook pages I posted. Feel free to check it up. smiley
I should be able to click a link that takes me directly to where you copied this stuff from. Figure it out before it's too late.

Evolutionists don't even believe humans are apes but ape-like creatures, they are not the same.
What's the difference between an ape-like creature and an ape? This reluctance to admit that we are apes, even by atheists, is weird. We freely admit that we are animals, vertebrates, and even primates. But if you say we are monkeys or apes, suddenly that's unacceptable?

As felixomor rightly pointed out, the fact that Ford produced different models doesn't mean that one model evolves into another higher model it just means that they were produced by the same maker. Likewise God, is the same Creator of humans and apes that share similar features, it doesn't mean that apes evolved into human.
This doesn't eliminate Ray Comfort's issue with evolution, which is what started this discussion. He said we were made in the image of God, not the image of apes. This is based on the assumption that God doesn't look like an ape. But regardless of whether evolution is true or not, the fact is that we are apes. Whether we evolved from apes or God created us as apes, the problem of divine ape-likeness is not solved.

The fact that we share similar DNA codes with apes doesn't make us any closer to apes than we are to bananas.
False. Creatures that belong to the same biological groups tend to have a lot of similar DNA. The closer they are, the more DNA they'll share.

Did you know that we share 50% of our DNA codes with banana? Does that make humans 50% bananas? shocked
No. If true, it means that we are distantly related to bananas.

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:28pm On Jan 19, 2017
Muafrika2:


RIIIIIIGHT

Sure? undecided
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:29pm On Jan 19, 2017
malvisguy212:


you said evolution are observable fact, who observe it ? Did you ?

Good question. cool
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 5:43pm On Jan 19, 2017
malvisguy212:
you said evolution are observable fact, who observe it ? Did you ?
What I remember saying is that it is an observable fact that we are apes. Whether we evolved from ancient apes, or God made us as apes, that doesn't change the observable fact that we are apes, based on DNA and anatomical similarities between human beings and other apes. If your reason for rejecting evolution is your distaste for the idea that we are just incredibly smart apes, then I'm sorry, but it doesn't work.

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 5:45pm On Jan 19, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Sure? undecided
If we go by your opinion. Modern humans are genetic modifications of a race that looked like God.

SO, who are the sons of God there who descended ?

Are they the beings that genetically modified humans?

Did they use their DNA? undecided
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:37pm On Jan 19, 2017
Seun:


I should be able to click a link that takes me directly to where you copied this stuff from. Figure it out before it's too late.

If his facebook page is not enough for you then I cannot help you.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:37pm On Jan 19, 2017
Seun:


What's the difference between an ape-like creature and an ape? This reluctance to admit that we are apes, even by atheists, is weird. We freely admit that we are animals, vertebrates, and even primates. But if you say we are monkeys or apes, suddenly that's unacceptable?

You should ask your fellow atheists who insist that they are the missing links between homo sapiens and apes. You may see yourself as an animal but I am a human being from Adam's race. The atheistic worldview that classified humans as animals is wrong. Human being are in a class of their own, it is called the human race. Animals are created after their own kind while man is created in the image of Adam, Adam was created in the image of God.

Seun:


This doesn't eliminate Ray Comfort's issue with evolution, which is what started this discussion. He said we were made in the image of God, not the image of apes. This is based on the assumption that God doesn't look like an ape. But regardless of whether evolution is true or not, the fact is that we are apes. Whether we evolved from apes or God created us as apes, the problem of divine ape-likeness is not solved.

The image of God Ray Comfort referred to implied human likeness to the triune Godhead. Animals possess a body and consciousness but human beings not only possess a body and consciousness but we possess a third created entity, called the image of God which is an eternal spirit capable of communing and fellowshipping with God. Animals do not have this third part and when you atheists deny this part you are reducing yourselves to animals and thereby behave like animals. tongue

Seun:


False. Creatures that belong to the same biological groups tend to have a lot of similar DNA. The closer they are, the more DNA they'll share.

Where you get it wrong is that you misconstrue 'species' for 'kinds.' Species is a man-made terminology used for the modern classification system while 'kinds' is a more accurate and biblical word. Man, animals and plants were created to reproduce within the boundary of their kind. So if two things can reproduce after their own kind then they are the same created kind. Since Man and animals cannot reproduce that should tell you that they do not belong to the same biological group even if you claim that they 'have a lot of similar DNA.' You will not even see dats (dogs and cats) or hows (horse and cows) because they are not of the same kind.

Seun:


No. If true, it means that we are distantly related to bananas.

It only goes to prove that the similarity in DNA sequences show that all organisms are a result of a common Creator. Even human designers as I said earlier, usually reuse the same features in their different products. Likewise, all living organisms share the same cosmos and therefore are expected to share the similar DNA codes with different variations especially when they have similar needs.

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:43pm On Jan 19, 2017
Seun:


What I remember saying is that it is an observable fact that we are apes. Whether we evolved from ancient apes, or God made us as apes, that doesn't change the observable fact that we are apes, based on DNA and anatomical similarities between human beings and other apes. If your reason for rejecting evolution is your distaste for the idea that we are just incredibly smart apes, then I'm sorry, but it doesn't work.

Have you or anyone ever observed an ape evolving into a human being? We observe apes producing after their own kind likewise humans producing after their own kind but where have you observed apes evolving into anything but apes? undecided
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:48pm On Jan 19, 2017
Muafrika2:


If we go by your opinion. Modern humans are genetic modifications of a race that looked like God.

SO, who are the sons of God there who descended ?

Are they the beings that genetically modified humans?

Did they use their DNA? undecided

Now you're talking. The outcome was the giant race that was produced. This technology was and is still used by some evolutionists to get rid of some 'undesirable' human beings that God created in His own image. Ask Hitler for details. cool
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by malvisguy212: 8:51pm On Jan 19, 2017
Seun:
What I remember saying is that it is an observable fact that we are apes. Whether we evolved from ancient apes, or God made us as apes, that doesn't change the observable fact that we are apes, based on DNA and anatomical similarities between human beings and other apes. If your reason for rejecting evolution is your distaste for the idea that we are just incredibly smart apes, then I'm sorry, but it doesn't work.
how did we observe it ? Will you say the samething to your atheists friends who reject evolution ?
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:54pm On Jan 19, 2017
www.livingwaters.com

"Are you scared to publicly say that Islam is of Satan, Muhammad is a false prophet, and Allah is not God--Islam is a false religion and it is your personal aim to wipe out Islam."'

It's not the aim of Christians to wipe out Islam. We want every Muslim to make it to Heaven, and we therefore lovingly share the gospel with them.

The good news that Jesus Christ has destroyed death is universal--it's good news for Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, for "religious" people, and even for atheists.

For details, check: www.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 14:00 18/1/2017

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 10:56pm On Jan 19, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Now you're talking. The outcome was the giant race that was produced. This technology was and is still used by some evolutionists to get rid of some 'undesirable' human beings that God created in His own image. Ask Hitler for details. cool
Actually genetic modification of humanity is not farfetched. We do it to all our domestic animals just to get more meat, milk, skin, fur out of them. Hitler used DNA technology to create Jewish specific deceased. Unfortunately Africans share alot of genes with Jews, which makes the work he began quite valuable for population control and genocide in Africa through modern killer deceased.

There is something modern DNA scientists call Neanderthal admixture. You should check it out. According to the theory, all people looked like Africans until someone migrated out of the continent and met with a certain race of neanderthals.

All Caucasians (people with a thin nose, who are believed to be descendants of an ancient people who once dwelt at a place called caucassus in the mountains of the middle East) have neanderthal genes. That is all non. African people, including the thin nosed Africans who are believed to have back migrated into Africa after the encounter.

According to the theory, the neanderthals were a race of humans that had developed those features to survive in cold environment.

That could be your point of entry of the suspect DNA. Caucasian people are taller than Africans. And if the original Africans were as short as the pigmy tribes of Central and East Africa, (who do possesss the most ancient DNA) they were giants.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:42pm On Jan 19, 2017
Muafrika2:


Actually genetic modification of humanity is not farfetched. We do it to all our domestic animals just to get more meat, milk, skin, fur out of them. Hitler used DNA technology to create Jewish specific deceased. Unfortunately Africans share alot of genes with Jews, which makes the work he began quite valuable for population control and genocide in Africa through modern killer deceased.

There is something modern DNA scientists call Neanderthal admixture. You should check it out. According to the theory, all people looked like Africans until someone migrated out of the continent and met with a certain race of neanderthals.

All Caucasians (people with a thin nose, who are believed to be descendants of an ancient people who once dwelt at a place called caucassus in the mountains of the middle East) have neanderthal genes. That is all non. African people, including the thin nosed Africans who are believed to have back migrated into Africa after the encounter.

According to the theory, the neanderthals were a race of humans that had developed those features to survive in cold environment.

That could be your point of entry of the suspect DNA. Caucasian people are taller than Africans. And if the original Africans were as short as the pigmy tribes of Central and East Africa, (who do possesss the most ancient DNA) they were giants.

At the end of the day there was no hybrid between angels and 'the daughters of men.' cool
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Nobody: 12:20am On Jan 20, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


At the end of the day there was no hybrid between angels and 'the daughters of men.' cool
How do you reconcile your conviction with the fact that the Bible is clear and certain that there was? undecided

Mistake?

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:03am On Jan 20, 2017
Muafrika2:


How do you reconcile your conviction with the fact that the Bible is clear and certain that there was? undecided

Mistake?

It is your interpretation that is a mistake. Angels and Humans are not of the same kind and hence cannot reproduce.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:07am On Jan 20, 2017
www.livingwaters.com

Paul Boyer said: "Ray....if something can't come from nothing...where did God come from?"

Ray Answers: God created time. He is not subject to it. He is eternal...outside of time, something the Bible calls "eternity." That is the timeless dimension you will enter when you die.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 14 January 2014

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by johnw74: 5:03am On Jan 20, 2017
apes were created along with all other land animals on the sixth day

Gen 1:24  And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 
Gen 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.



after creating all land animals, God then made man, also on the sixth day, but man was given dominion-rule
over all animals which includes apes

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


God created man in His image,
God did not create ape that will evolve into man-His image.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 11:31am On Jan 20, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
www.livingwaters.com

Paul Boyer said: "Ray....if something can't come from nothing...where did God come from?"

Ray Answers: God created time. He is not subject to it. He is eternal...outside of time, something the Bible calls "eternity." That is the timeless dimension you will enter when you die.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 14 January 2014
TLDR: "I know that God exists because something can't come from nothing, except God." What a stupid circular argument.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by DoctorAlien(m): 11:37am On Jan 20, 2017
Seun:

TLDR: "I know that God exists because something can't come from nothing, except God." What a stupid circular argument.

It is more stupid to entertain the idea of infinite regress in time.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 11:41am On Jan 20, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
It is your interpretation that is a mistake. Angels and Humans are not of the same kind and hence cannot reproduce.
How do you know this? They're described as looking like men, except that sometimes their clothes are very shiny. The angel at Jesus tomb was described by Mark as "a young man". The Angels who visited Lot were perceived as sexually attractive men by his neighbours. You said that the reason for the similarities in the DNA of various animals is that they have the same designer. Wouldn't this apply to man and angels, too?

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by gabe: 12:08pm On Jan 20, 2017
Seun o, humans are not apes. We and apes evolved from the same ancestor along different evolutionary lines. And you rebutting bible arguments with bible, you are carrying out circular arguments. A circular argument is based on unproven foundations. Eg of a circular argument: my greatgrand father killed a lion. Evidence: he told my grandfather who told my father...
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 4:12pm On Jan 20, 2017
gabe:
Seun o, humans are not apes. We and apes evolved from the same ancestor along different evolutionary lines.
Wikipedia agrees with me:
"The Hominidae whose members are known as great apes or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, the human (and though not extant, the near-human ancestors and relatives (e.g., the Neanderthal))."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae

We are great apes, just as lions are big cats. (If lions could talk, they would insist that they are not mere animals like the prey they hunt.)

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 4:13pm On Jan 20, 2017
DoctorAlien:
It is more stupid to entertain the idea of infinite regress in time.
Do explain this infinite regress in time to me, so I can tell you whether I believe it or not.
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Scholar8200(m): 7:36pm On Jan 20, 2017
Did Lions evolve from Cats?

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by felixomor: 7:49pm On Jan 20, 2017
Scholar8200:
Did Lions evolve from Cats?

Seun, see question o
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 8:22pm On Jan 20, 2017
Scholar8200:
Did Lions evolve from Cats?
You mean domestic cat. And the answer is no. However, domestic cats and lions belong to the same family and they are all classified as cats, just as humans and chimps are great apes.

Lions did not evolve from domestic cats, just as humans did not evolve from chimps. Rather they are modern cat species which share a common ancestor that was also a cat, just as humans and chimps are modern ape species which share a common ancestor which was also an ape.

Biblical creationists need to explain why God chose to create the "spiritual beings he intended to commune with for eternity" using the same template that he used to make the chimpanzee and the gorilla, which apparently are just beasts.

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by felixomor: 8:26pm On Jan 20, 2017
Seun:
You mean domestic cat. And the answer is no. However, domestic cats and lions belong to the same family and they are all classified as cats, just as humans and chimps are great apes.

Lions did not evolve from domestic cats, just as humans did not evolve from chimps. Rather they are modern cat species which share a common ancestor that was also a cat, just as humans and chimps are modern ape species which share a common ancestor which was also an ape.

Abeg which animal was their ancestor?

because, it seems its only man ancestors u people focus on?
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by gentle081(m): 8:43pm On Jan 20, 2017
Seun:
You mean domestic cat. And the answer is no. However, domestic cats and lions belong to the same family and they are all classified as cats, just as humans and chimps are great apes.

Lions did not evolve from domestic cats, just as humans did not evolve from chimps. Rather they are modern cat species which share a common ancestor that was also a cat, just as humans and chimps are modern ape species which share a common ancestor which was also an ape.

Biblical creationists need to explain why God chose to create the 'spiritual beings he intended to commune with for eternity" using the same template that he used to make the chimpanzee and the gorilla, which apparently are just beasts.
Mr seen osewa how do u contact u
Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 8:57pm On Jan 20, 2017
felixomor:
Abeg which animal was their ancestor?

because, it seems its only man ancestors u people focus on?
I would only say that it was an ancient cat. Scientists currently believe it was Pseudaelurus, which lived between 20 and 8 million years ago, based on the fossils they have found on several continents.

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by felixomor: 9:00pm On Jan 20, 2017
Seun:
I would only say that it was an ancient cat. Scientists currently believe it was Pseudaelurus, which lived between 20 and 8 million years ago, based on the fossils they have found on several continents.

Its not based on fossils young man.
Are u trying to add maggi?

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Re: Questions And Objections With Common-Sense Responses To Atheists by Seun(m): 11:13pm On Jan 20, 2017
felixomor:
Its not based on fossils young man.
Is that so? Oya, go ahead and tell us what the current scientific knowledge of Pseudaelurus is based on. Live specimens? Time travel?

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