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Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Orikinla(m): 1:28pm On Dec 19, 2016
Atheists have failed to challenge how biblical dreams and prophecies come true.
How the Psalms of King David and prophecies of Prophet Isaiah accurately foretold the birth, passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord, Saviour and Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by ademasta(m): 1:29pm On Dec 19, 2016
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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Orikinla(m): 1:33pm On Dec 19, 2016
Psalm Prophecies OT Scripture NT Fulfilment
Christ would also be rejected by Gentiles. Psalm 2:1 Acts 4:25-28
Political/religious leaders would conspire against Christ. Psalm 2:2 Matthew 26:3-4
Mark 3:6

Christ would be King of the Jews. Psalm 2:6 John 12:12-13
John 18:32

Christ would be the Son of God. Psalm 2:7a Luke 1:31-35
Matthew 3:16-17
Hebrews 1:5-6

Christ would reveal that He was the Son of God. Psalm 2:7b John 9:35-37
Christ would be raised from the dead and be crowned King. Psalm 2:7c Acts 13:30-33
Romans 1:3-4

Christ would ask God for His inheritance. Psalm 2:8a John 17:4-24
Christ would have complete authority over all things. Psalm 2:8b Matthew 28:18
Hebrews 1:1-2

Christ would not acknowledge those who did not believe in Him. Psalm 2:12 John 3:36
Infants would give praise to Christ. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:15-16
Christ would have complete authority over all things. Psalm 8:6 Matthew 28:18
Christ would be resurrected. Psalm 16:8-10a Matthew 28:6
Acts 2:25-32

Christ's body would not see corruption (natural decay). Psalm 16:8-10b Acts 13:35-37
Christ would be glorified into the presence of God. Psalm 16:11 Acts 2:25-33
Christ would come for all people. Psalm 18:49 Ephesians 3:4-6
Christ would cry out to God. Psalm 22:1a Matthew 27:46
Christ would be forsaken by God at His crucifixion. Psalm 22:1b Mark 15:34
Christ would pray without ceasing before His death. Psalm 22:2 Matthew 26:38-39
Christ would be despised and rejected by His own. Psalm 22:6 Luke 23:21-23
Christ would be made a mockery. Psalm 22:7 Matthew 27:39
Unbelievers would say to Christ, "He trusted in God, let Him now deliver Him." Psalm 22:8 Matthew 27:41-43
Christ would know His Father from childhood. Psalm 22:9 Luke 2:40
Christ would be called by God while in the womb. Psalm 22:10 Luke 1:30-33
Christ would be abandoned by His disciples. Psalm 22:11 Mark 14:50
Christ would be encompassed by evil spirits. Psalm 22:12-13 Colossians 2:15
Christ's body would emit blood & water. Psalm 22:14a John 19:34
Christ would be crucified. Psalm 22:14b Matthew 27:35
Christ would thirst while dying. Psalm 22:15a John 19:28
Christ would thirst just prior to His death. Psalm 22:15b John 19:30
Christ would be observed by Gentiles at His crucifixion. Psalm 22:16a Luke 23:36
Christ would be observed by Jews at His crucifixion. Psalm 22:16b Matthew 27:41-43
Both Christ's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16c Matthew 27:38
Christ's bones would not be broken. Psalm 22:17a John 19:32-33
Christ would be viewed by many during His crucifixion. Psalm 22:17b Luke 23:35
Christ's garments would be parted among the soldiers. Psalm 22:18a John 19:23-24
The soldiers would cast lots for Christ's clothes. Psalm 22:18b John 19:23-24
Christ's atonement would enable believers to receive salvation. Psalm 22:22 Hebrews 2:10-12
Matthew 12:50
John 20:14

Christ's enemies would stumble and fall. Psalm 27:2 John 18:3-6
Christ would be accused by false witnesses. Psalm 27:12 Matthew 26:59-61
Christ would cry out to God "Into thy hands I commend my spirit." Psalm 31:5 Luke 23:46
Christ would come from the lineage of David. Psalm 89:29 Matthew 1:1
Christ would come from the lineage of David. Psalm 89:35-36 Matthew 1:1
Christ would be eternal. Psalm 102:25-27a Revelation 1:8
Hebrews 1:10-12

Christ would be the creator of all things. Psalm 102:25-27b John 1:3
Ephesians 3:9
Hebrews 1:10-12

Christ would calm the stormy sea. Psalm 107:28-29 Matthew 8:24-26
Christ would be accused by many false witnesses. Psalm 109:2 John 18:29-30
Christ would offer up prayer for His enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34
Christ's betrayer (Judas) would have a short life. Psalm 109:8a Acts 1:16-18
John 17:12

Christ's betrayer would be replaced by another. Psalm 109:8b Acts 1:20-26
Christ would be mocked by many. Psalm 109:25 Mark 15:29-30
Christ would be Lord and King. Psalm 110:1a Mat. 22:41-45
Christ would be exalted to the right hand of God. Psalm 110:1b Mark 16:19
Mat. 22:41-46

Christ would be a Priest after the order of Melchisedec. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 6:17-20
Christ would be exalted to the right hand of God. Psalm 110:5 1 Peter 3:21-22
Christ would be the "Stone" rejected by the builders (Jews). Psalm 118:22 Mat.21:42-43
Christ would come in the name of the Lord. Psalm 118:26 Matthew 21:9
Christ would come from the lineage of David. Psalm 132:11 Matthew 1:1
Christ would come from the lineage of David. Psalm 132:17 Matthew 1:1
Luke 1:68-70

There would be many attempts to kill Christ. Psalm 31:13 Matthew 27:1
Christ would have no bones broken. Psalm 34:20 John 19:32-33
Christ would be accused by many false witnesses. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:55-59
Christ would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19 John 18:19-23
John 15:24-25

Christ would be silent as a lamb before His accusers. Psalm 38:13-14
Christ would be God's sacrificial lamb for redemption of all mankind. Psalm 40:6-8a Hebrews 10:10-13
Christ would reveal that the Hebrew scriptures were written of Him. Psalm 40:6-8b Luke 24:44
John 5:39-40

Christ would do God's (His Father) will. Psalm 40:7-8 John 5:30
Christ would not conceal His mission from believing people. Psalm 40:9-10 Luke 4:16-21
Christ would be betrayed by one of His own disciples. Psalm 41:9 Mark 14:17-18
Christ would communicate a message of mercy. Psalm 45:2 Luke 4:22
Christ's throne would be eternal. Psalm 45:6-7a Luke 1:31-33
Hebrews 1:8-9

Christ would be God. Psalm 45:6-7b Hebrews 1:8-9
Christ would act with righteousness. Psalm 45:6-7c John 5:30
Christ would be betrayed by one of His own disciples. Psalm 55:12-14 Luke 22:47-48
Christ would ascend back into heaven. Psalm 68:18a Luke 24:51
Ephesians 4:8

Christ would give good gifts unto believing men. Psalm 68:18b Matthew 10:1
Ephesians 4:7-11

Christ would be hated and rejected without cause. Psalm 69:4 Luke 23:13-22
John 15:24-25

Christ would be condemned for God's sake. Psalm 69:7 Mat. 26:65-67
Christ would be rejected by the Jews. Psalm 69:8a John 1:11
Christ's very own brothers would reject Him. Psalm 69:8b John 7:3-5
Christ would become angry due to unethical practices by the Jews in the temple. Psalm 69:9a John 2:13-17
Christ would be condemned for God's sake. Psalm 69:9b Romans 15:3
Christ's heart would be broken. Psalm 69:20a John 19:34
Christ's disciples would abandon Him just prior to His death. Psalm 69:20b Mark 14:33-41
Christ would be offered gall mingled with vinegar while dying. Psalm 69:21a Matthew 27:34
Christ would thirst while dying. Psalm 69:21b John 19:28
The potters field would be uninhabited (Field of Blood). Psalm 69:25 Acts 1:16-20
Christ would teach in parables. Psalm 78:2 Mat.13:34-35
Christ would be exalted to the right hand of God. Psalm 80:17 Acts 5:31
Christ would come form the lineage of David. Psalm 89:3-4 Matthew 1:1
Christ would call God His Father. Psalm 89:26 Matthew 11:27
Christ would be God's only "begotten" Son. Psalm 89:27 Mark 16:6
Colossians 1:18
Revelation 1:5

Source
http://www.wicwiki.org.uk/mediawiki/index.php/92_Prophecies_of_the_Psalms_Fulfilled_in_Jesus_Christ

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by ScepticalPyrrho: 1:37pm On Dec 19, 2016
Orikinla:
Atheists have failed to challenge how biblical dreams and prophecies come true.
How the Psalms of King David and prophecies of Prophet Isaiah accurately foretold the birth, passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord, Saviour and Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Are you talking about the Messiah the Jews are still expecting?

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Orikinla(m): 1:39pm On Dec 19, 2016
Bible prophecies fulfilled:

Below is a selection of prophecies in the Bible that found fulfillment in the birth of Jesus the Messiah about 2,000 years ago.

The commentaries below are from the second edition of the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig, who are the authors and copyright holders of the material. The commentaries are reprinted here with written permission from the authors. The third edition, revised and expanded, of 100 Prophecies: Ancient Biblical prophecies that foretold the future is available through Amazon.com.

100 Prophecies explains how Bible prophecies have been fulfilled in history. Click for more information.

Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus

Bible prophecy: Isaiah 7:14
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah addresses the "house of David," meaning the family and descendants of King David, and speaks of a virgin being pregnant with a child, and giving birth to the child. Isaiah says this in the context of it being a sign from God. He also says that the child would be referred to as "Immanuel," which means, "God with us."

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke record details involving the birth of Jesus, who was born about 700 years after the time of Isaiah, saying that he was born of the virgin Mary and is the Son of God. Because he is the Son of God, Jesus literally can be referred to as "God with us."

Non-Christian scholars have challenged this interpretation. They say that the Hebrew word "almah," which is the word that Christian Bibles often translate as "virgin," actually means "young maiden" or "young woman." It should be noted that the Old Testament uses the word to refer to young, unmarried women, and that unmarried women were culturally and religiously expected to be virgins. One example can be found in Genesis 24:43, where it speaks of a person being sought as a bride for Isaac.

Isaiah 7:14 (NIV):

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem

Bible prophecy: Micah 5:1-2
Prophecy written: Sometime between 750-686 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Micah 5:2, there is a prophecy that reveals that Bethlehem would be the birthplace of the Messiah.

As pointed out in the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig: "The prophecy is effective in a simple way: It eliminates all other cities and towns throughout the world as a place in which the Messiah could be born. It narrows the possibilities to one tiny village just south of Jerusalem."

And throughout the span of the past 27 centuries, from the days of the prophet Micah up through the present time, Bethlehem is credited as being the birthplace for only one person who is widely known throughout the world. And that person is Jesus Christ.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke name the town of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Jesus. Matthew 2:1-6 describes the birth of Jesus as the fulfillment of Micah's prophecy.

In recent years, however, some non-believers have attempted to discredit Matthew's interpretation of Micah 5:2 by claiming that the prophecy refers to a person named Bethlehem, not a town name Bethlehem. This claim has been widely circulated on the Internet by a college professor who describes himself as a former Christian minister.

The first problem with this claim appears in Micah 5:1. In that verse, the prophet establishes that he is speaking of Bethlehem the town, not Bethlehem the person, by setting up a context in which he contrasts the great city of Jerusalem with the humble town of Bethlehem.

A second problem with the claim is that there is also evidence outside of the Bible that shows that Micah 5:2 was regarded as a Messianic prophecy involving the town of Bethlehem. Here is an excerpt from the Jerusalem Talmud, which is a collection of Judaism-related writings completed about 1600 years ago:

"The King Messiah... from where does he come forth? From the royal city of Bethlehem in Judah." - Jerusalem Talmud, Berakoth 5a.

Micah 5:1-2 (NIV):

1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah

Bible prophecy: Genesis 49:10
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Genesis 49:10, Jacob is blessing his 12 sons. This blessing was also a prophecy. Jacob told his son Judah that his descendants would be rulers and that one of his descendants will be an ultimate ruler. According to the NIV translation: "The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his." Christians acknowledge that this is a reference to Jesus Christ, whose kingdom will have no end. Jesus was born about 2000 years after Jacob died. Jesus' ancestry is traced back to Jacob's son, Judah, in Luke 3:23-34 and in Matthew 1:1-16. Today, there are some estimates that claim that there are as many as 2 billion Christians worldwide who follow the teachings of Jesus.

Genesis 49:10 (NIV):

The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.

Nations would seek the counsel of Jesse's descendant

Bible prophecy: Isaiah 11:1-10
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Isaiah 11:1-10, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a ruler who would be a descendant of Jesse. Jesse was the father of ancient Israel's great King David. This descendant would rule with true justice and true faith, and he would establish true peace. This peace would be so great that even wild animals would be able to lie down next to one another. This descendant would also become a standard for people throughout the world. And, this descendant would be sought by people throughout the world.

This is an important prophecy for Christians because we believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of this Old Testament promise. Jesus, as explained in the New Testament, is a descendant of Jesse. And Jesus has become a standard for peoples throughout the world. In fact, Christianity is the first religion to spread to every country in the world. The words of Jesus, which speak of true justice, true faith and true peace, have been taught to people in every country in the world. We Christians also believe that Jesus will return in the future to establish a kingdom on earth, a kingdom of justice and righteousness.

There is an ancient Hebrew text, called the Targum Jonathan, in which Rabbis sought to interpret passages of the Old Testament scriptures. The Targum Jonathan shows that at least some of the ancient Rabbis believed that the message contained in Isaiah 11:1-10 was a reference to a Messiah. Here is an excerpt from the Targum Jonathan: "And there shall go forth a King from the Sons of Jesse, and the Messiah shall be anointed from his children's children." Jesse was the father of King David. But the Messiah would be a descendant of Jesse, specifically through his son David.

Isaiah 11:1-10 (NIV):

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling[1] together; and a little child will lead them.

7 The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest.

9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.

NIV Footnote: [1] Hebrew; Septuagint lion will feed

The Messiah would be a descendant of King David

Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 23:5
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other Bible prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke trace back Jesus' genealogy to King David. (Some scholars believe that the genealogy in Matthew is Jesus' legal line, through his adoptive father, Joseph, and that the genealogy in Luke is Jesus' bloodline through Mary).

Jeremiah 23:5 (NIV):

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

Notes: The commentaries above are summaries from the book 100 Prophecies: Ancient Biblical prophecies that foretold the future. Copyright © Ray Konig.

Next article: Bible prophecies fulfilled:
Bible prophecies that found fulfillment during the life of Jesus Christ

Source
http://www.100prophecies.org/page2.htm

Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Nobody: 1:41pm On Dec 19, 2016
Atheists do not believe in the bible. They see it as a fictional storybook. A book they don't believe in cannot make them look dumb. That's like saying the movie 'Jack Frost' makes everyone who does not believe in Santa Claus dumb.

I think Christians should live and let atheists live. Worship God and stop giving atheists room to spew profanities.

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Orikinla(m): 2:30pm On Dec 19, 2016
Just early this morning I saw a young girl living nearby in my vision. She boarded a public transport bus with me and we later came down at a certain place like we were going to the same place and I was her guide.
About an hour ago, I went to greet a woman who is an African braids hairstylist and has been the mentor of the girl.
"What of your daughter?" I asked her.
"She has gone to Cotonou with her mother for the Christmas holidays," she replied.
"When? Yesterday?" I asked.
"No. Today. In the morning," she replied.
I did not tell her about my vision.
I knew why Almighty God JEHOVAH showed me the vision of her trip. Because, I was the one who insisted that she must go to school instead of being used as housemaid by the Muslim landlady in the next house. And she started primary school in September. She told me earlier in the year that she wants to be a school teacher. I featured her with the mentor in my "Lagos in Motion" documentary film series and also included them in the first edition of the photo album of the film already published by Amazon. I must send a copy to her in Cotonou in Republic of Benin. Her family will love it. Almighty God JEHOVAH will make her a blessing to her family and generation.

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by MrMontella(m): 5:48pm On Dec 19, 2016
these rubbishes that have been debunked before
Orikinla:

Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus

Bible prophecy: Isaiah 7:14
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah addresses the "house of David," meaning the family and descendants of King David, and speaks of a virgin being pregnant with a child, and giving birth to the child. Isaiah says this in the context of it being a sign from God. He also says that the child would be referred to as "Immanuel," which means, "God with us."

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke record details involving the birth of Jesus, who was born about 700 years after the time of Isaiah, saying that he was born of the virgin Mary and is the Son of God. Because he is the Son of God, Jesus literally can be referred to as "God with us."

Non-Christian scholars have challenged this interpretation. They say that the Hebrew word "almah," which is the word that Christian Bibles often translate as "virgin," actually means "young maiden" or "young woman." It should be noted that the Old Testament uses the word to refer to young, unmarried women, and that unmarried women were culturally and religiously expected to be virgins. One example can be found in Genesis 24:43, where it speaks of a person being sought as a bride for Isaac.

Isaiah 7:14 (NIV):

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
[quote author=raphieMontella post=48967511]the acclaimed virgin birth prophecy matthew claimed was fulfiled in matthew 1:22-23:[/color][/b]
In the original context, however,
Isaiah made this statement as a sign to Ahaz, king
of Judah, that an alliance recently formed against him by Rezin, the king of Syria, and Pekah, the king of Israel, would not succeed in defeating him. The
Lord (Yahweh), as he was prone to do in those days, had sent Isaiah to reassure Ahaz that the
alliance would not prevail. Isaiah begged Ahaz to ask for a sign that his prophecy was true
.Finally,
Isaiah said to him, "Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you
weary my God also? Therefore Yahweh Himself will
give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive,
and bear a Son, and shall call his name
Immanuel" (Isaiah 7:13-14).
The context
clearly shows that this so-called prophecy was made not to foretell the birth of Jesus some 700
years later but the birth of a child to that time and
that situation.(believed to be isaiah's wife)
How could a birth that would happen 700 years later, after Ahaz was dead and the battles
had long since been fought, have been a sign to
him that the Syrian-Israelite alliance would fail?.

"Immanuel". Since that name means
"God with us", it was supposed to show Ahaz that
God was on his side..Mary nor Joseph never called Jesus ''Immanuel''
The Hebrew word "almah" which is used in the Isaiah verse does not mean "virgin" but "young
woman" and the prophecy means
[b] the ''young woman'' is with child/pregnant
.. It is correctly translated in the Tanakh, the Revised Standard Version, the Revised English Bible, and the New Jerusalem Bible,and the Catholic bible..

However The Hebrew word "bethulah" means "virgin." In
the book of Isaiah, "bethulah" appears four times (23:12, 37:22, 47:1, 62:5), so its author was aware of the word;and would have used the word ''bethulah'' since that concept(A virgin birth) was totally foreign to them and would have been a remarkable event
[/b]





The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem

Bible prophecy: Micah 5:1-2
Prophecy written: Sometime between 750-686 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Micah 5:2, there is a prophecy that reveals that Bethlehem would be the birthplace of the Messiah.

As pointed out in the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig: "The prophecy is effective in a simple way: It eliminates all other cities and towns throughout the world as a place in which the Messiah could be born. It narrows the possibilities to one tiny village just south of Jerusalem."

And throughout the span of the past 27 centuries, from the days of the prophet Micah up through the present time, Bethlehem is credited as being the birthplace for only one person who is widely known throughout the world. And that person is Jesus Christ.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke name the town of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Jesus. Matthew 2:1-6 describes the birth of Jesus as the fulfillment of Micah's prophecy.

In recent years, however, some non-believers have attempted to discredit Matthew's interpretation of Micah 5:2 by claiming that the prophecy refers to a person named Bethlehem, not a town name Bethlehem. This claim has been widely circulated on the Internet by a college professor who describes himself as a former Christian minister.

The first problem with this claim appears in Micah 5:1. In that verse, the prophet establishes that he is speaking of Bethlehem the town, not Bethlehem the person, by setting up a context in which he contrasts the great city of Jerusalem with the humble town of Bethlehem.

A second problem with the claim is that there is also evidence outside of the Bible that shows that Micah 5:2 was regarded as a Messianic prophecy involving the town of Bethlehem. Here is an excerpt from the Jerusalem Talmud, which is a collection of Judaism-related writings completed about 1600 years ago:

"The King Messiah... from where does he come forth? From the royal city of Bethlehem in Judah." - Jerusalem Talmud, Berakoth 5a.

Micah 5:1-2 (NIV):

1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah
the bolded words show how dishonest your source is




In Matthew 2:4-6..He claims that the prophecy in Micah 5:2 was fulfiled..

.

"Bethlehem Ephrathah" is the name of the descendants of eprahtah and also the name of a person

person: Bethlehem the son (or grandson) of Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 4:4, 2:50-51)

In biblical times...it was the norm for the name of a person to become the name of a town..

This prophecy could therefore refer to either a native of
the clan or a descendent of the person. If the latter, Jesus does not qualify since neither of his
alleged genealogies list
either Bethlehem or Ephrathah.



[quote]
Bible prophecy: Genesis 49:10
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Genesis 49:10, Jacob is blessing his 12 sons. This blessing was also a prophecy. Jacob told his son Judah that his descendants would be rulers and that one of his descendants will be an ultimate ruler. According to the NIV translation: "The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his." Christians acknowledge that this is a reference to Jesus Christ, whose kingdom will have no end. Jesus was born about 2000 years after Jacob died. Jesus' ancestry is traced back to Jacob's son, Judah, in Luke 3:23-34 and in Matthew 1:1-16. Today, there are some estimates that claim that there are as many as 2 billion Christians worldwide who follow the teachings of Jesus.

Genesis 49:10 (NIV):

The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.
please tell us in clear terms...
How a man who was not respected by a great percentage of his own country men and was killed by three nails was an ultimate ruler?





Nations would seek the counsel of Jesse's descendant

Bible prophecy: Isaiah 11:1-10
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Isaiah 11:1-10, the prophet Isaiah speaks of a ruler who would be a descendant of Jesse. Jesse was the father of ancient Israel's great King David. This descendant would rule with true justice and true faith, and he would establish true peace. This peace would be so great that even wild animals would be able to lie down next to one another. This descendant would also become a standard for people throughout the world. And, this descendant would be sought by people throughout the world.

This is an important prophecy for Christians because we believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of this Old Testament promise. Jesus, as explained in the New Testament, is a descendant of Jesse. And Jesus has become a standard for peoples throughout the world. In fact, Christianity is the first religion to spread to every country in the world. The words of Jesus, which speak of true justice, true faith and true peace, have been taught to people in every country in the world. We Christians also believe that Jesus will return in the future to establish a kingdom on earth, a kingdom of justice and righteousness.

There is an ancient Hebrew text, called the Targum Jonathan, in which Rabbis sought to interpret passages of the Old Testament scriptures. The Targum Jonathan shows that at least some of the ancient Rabbis believed that the message contained in Isaiah 11:1-10 was a reference to a Messiah. Here is an excerpt from the Targum Jonathan: "And there shall go forth a King from the Sons of Jesse, and the Messiah shall be anointed from his children's children." Jesse was the father of King David. But the Messiah would be a descendant of Jesse, specifically through his son David.

Isaiah 11:1-10 (NIV):

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling[1] together; and a little child will lead them.

7 The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest.

9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.

NIV Footnote: [1] Hebrew; Septuagint lion will feed
the painful part is that..jesus was never a King...nor had any high ranking post/office as the passage suggests
Definitely not him!







The Messiah would be a descendant of King David

Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 23:5
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other Bible prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke trace back Jesus' genealogy to King David. (Some scholars believe that the genealogy in Matthew is Jesus' legal line, through his adoptive father, Joseph, and that the genealogy in Luke is Jesus' bloodline through Mary).

Jeremiah 23:5 (NIV):

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

many other messiahs have been descendants of david..

Like simon bar kokhba etc..

2)if you believe jesus was born through a ''virgin conception'' then..it debunks your claim that jesus was a descendant of david!



i'm yet to see prophecies jesus fulfilled

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Orikinla(m): 12:24am On Dec 20, 2016
About two decades ago, I knew a young pastor who started his church with wooden benches in an open shop at the Morocco Bus Stop in Shomolu, Lagos. He invited me to fellowship with them and I accepted his divine invitations. Afterwards, I had a dream in which I saw him as the owner of a blue sedan. But he did not even have a bicycle then. I did not tell him about the dream And shortly afterwards, the dream came to pass. He got a blue sedan.

About six years ago when famous and rich millionaire celebrity gossip blogger Linda Ikeji was still struggling and she often visited me in the office. Sometimes, she would come with her laptop to sit by my side to learn as I mentored her.
We shared drinks, snacks and I bought her a whole pack of chocolates once.
"I want to be as popular as Bella Naija," Linda said to me.
"You will become more popular than Bella Naija," I told her.
She almost gave up blogging when a young rich son of a Nigerian millionaire wanted to marry her. He said he would give Linda N5 million to give up blogging as one of the conditions for marriage. She asked me for my advice. And I advised her to reject his proposal. She did as I said against the wishes of her parents who wanted her to marry the rich Lagos Big Boy and stop blogging.

Then Nokia had the first Bloggers Forum in Nigeria and I was invited. Nokia did not invite Linda Ikeji.
I spoke at the forum (see attached photograph) and later I told Nokia West Africa to invite her to the next Nokia Bloggers Forum. She was invited, and she told her younger sister Sandy to be there. That was how Linda got her first big break with Nokia.
Today, Linda Ikeji is not only more popular than Bella Naija, but she is the most popular and richest blogger in Africa and among the top ten richest in the world.

Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Orikinla(m): 1:50pm On Dec 20, 2016
1997, The Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Trinity Tabernacle Parish, Adekunle Fajuyi Way, Ikeja G R A.. Lagos, Nigeria.

We were in a night vigil when our pastor prophesied that the world would be overwhelmed by an internet boom and a digital ecosystem. I was totally clueless about what he was saying, because I did not even know how to use a PC and did not know anything about the internet. After his prophecy, Yahoo was launched in the same year 1997.
Linda Ikeji was introduced to me in our office on Shiro Street in Fadeyi, Lagos. Mr. Boniface Oyem, the young Publisher of the defunct Affections International magazine brought her from the ghetto of Mushin to meet me as the Editor of Affections who could help her fulfill her ambition to be a model. She was 17, tall and slim with beautiful brown eyes.  She just finished secondary school.
Afterwards, on another day that she came and left, I was on my way to the Fadeyi Bus Stop nearby when I saw a photograph on the ground along Shiro  Street, and I was moved to bend and take a closer look. It was the postcard size photograph of Linda Ikeji! It must have slipped out from her hand bag on her way to or from my office. I picked it up and kept it for her until she came again.
We became best of friends and I took her along to the important corporate occasions I was invited to. I took her to her first time to eat at Mr. BIGG's on the Adeniran Ogunsanya Road in Surulere and giggled as she spilled the jam in the doughnut on her blouse. Then I took her to her first buffet during a seminar hosted by Chevron Nigeria at the Nigerian Institute of International Affairs (NIIA) on Kofo Abayomi Street on Victoria Island, Lagos. In 1998, she later found her way to the Silverbird Group of Senator Ben Murray-Bruce and got her first opportunity to catwalk as a young model at 18, for one of the fashion and beauty shows organized by Silverbird Entertainment.
I did my best to motivate her and later met her family.

Google was launched in 1998. But I was still clueless about the internet until 2001 when I paid N100 at a cyber cafe beside Ekesons Transport Company at Jibowu Bus Stop near Yaba, Lagos. The young manager, Frank registered me for my first email address kingofkingsbooks@hotmail.com for my first company, King of Kings Books International I started in 2000 with the financial contributions of Bishop (Dr ) Mike Okonkwo, the General Overseer of The Redeemed Evangelical Mission (TREM) and the divine anointing of Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye, General Overseer of RCCG in whose office I worked as a counselor for the official Redemption Light magazine of our church.
I paid N100 for every email Frank helped me to type and send.
Then he taught me how to send and reply emails before I used emails to lambaste Shell for fueling the Niger Delta crisis in 2004. Shell International directed me to meet with Mr. Bisi Daniels, Head of Corporate Communications at Shell Nigeria on Broad Street in Lagos. I wanted to produce a conflict resolution documentary film to dialogue with my brother in- law, Asari Dokubo and other Niger Delta militants. So, one night in 2004, I arrived Port Harcourt in Rivers State. I went straight to the two storey block of flats of my elder sister, Mrs. Pauline Chiyenre William-West. I stayed with her before I crossed the Bonny Channel to the Nigeria LNG Limited on Bonny Island where I stayed with my younger sister, Mrs. Stella Unah and her family in the RAs. Her husband, my brother in- law, Mr. Sunday Unah welcomed me and I lived with them to do my recce for the documentary film, "Winds of Fire, Winds of Change".  But later, Shell dropped the project when the Federal Government sent the Nigerian Armed Forces to crush the Niger Delta militants and built a Garrison on Bonny Island in 2005.

I discovered the mass communication power of the internet and blogging in 2005.
Seun Osewa and other Nigerians in Nigeria, America and the UK were already having blogs. Later Seun launched Nairaland the same year and it became popular among Nigerians and foreigners interested in Nigerian affairs. I started my Nigerian Times, Kisses 'n' Roses and The Rhema Blogs. Then I met Queen Ime Ebong, as one of the few Nigerian female bloggers. Bella Naija started blogging in Canada.
Mark Zuckerberg and his buddies founded Facebook in the same 2005.
I was traveling from Bonny Island to Lagos to see Linda and others and also travelled to Calabar and Abuja to visit Queen.
I introduced Linda to Nairaland and created a blog for her defunct Fashion, Modeling and Beauty ( FM&B) magazine. Then the following year 2006, she started her own blog.

As our pastor prophesied during a night vigil in 1997, the internet phenomenon overwhelmed and transformed mass communication on the world wide web within ten years.
The world is now in the matrix of the digital ecosystem of the Internet of Things (IoT).

In 2011, Jason Njoku launched and soon made millions of dollars from his iROKO TV on the internet.
Chike Maduegbuna and his fellow developers launched their Afrinolly mobile video app in 2011 and then expanded into Afrinolly Space for GSM entertainment worldwide last year.
My iPost Nigeria was shortlisted for the 2014 FIRE Awards in Africa as the only Nigerian innovation that made the list of 10 finalists.
Blogging has made Linda Ikeji a  famous and rich millionaire in U$ dollars and highlighted on the CNN.
eCommerce is now dictating how we buy and sell.

Then on August 31, 2016, I met Mark Zuckerberg, the Cofounder and CEO of Facebook at the Afrinolly Space in Oregun, Lagos. Zuckerberg chose Lagos for his first ever visit to sub Saharan Africa.
Linda Ikeji has launched her own social network site, Linda Ikeji Social (LIS).
The prophecy has come to pass!

Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Seun(m): 1:57pm On Dec 20, 2016
Orikinla:
1997, The Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Trinity Tabernacle Parish, Adekunle Fajuyi Way, Ikeja G R A.. Lagos, Nigeria.
We were in a night vigil when our pastor prophesied that the world would be overwhelmed by an internet boom and a digital ecosystem. I was totally clueless about what he was saying, because I did not even know how to use a PC and did not know anything about the internet.
Any smart person privileged to have Internet access at that time could have made the same prediction. Many did. No gift of prophecy needed.

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by akintom(m): 2:02pm On Dec 20, 2016
Orikinla:
Atheists have failed to challenge how biblical dreams and prophecies come true.
How the Psalms of King David and prophecies of Prophet Isaiah accurately foretold the birth, passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord, Saviour and Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Accuracy?

The author, editors, proof readers, cinematographers, cameramen, and all folks, that developed the Spiderman story, are more accurate in their work.

Men who are purely religious obscurantists sat to fabricate a story, right in the city of Rome, via collection of different works of folks who belong in the same traditional religion. why would similarities not be found in their works?

This same Bible have different versions, has been edited and it's still being edited. The creation of whatever the apologists call accuracy, is cooked up this way.

Christians are simply progenitors of deliberate idiocy.

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by jonbellion(m): 2:05pm On Dec 20, 2016
Lmao
Thread destroyed cool

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by itunesgiftcard(m): 2:50pm On Dec 20, 2016
Seun:

Any smart person privileged to have Internet access at that time could have made the same prediction. Many did. No gift of prophecy needed.

simply prediction and it worked anyone can do that
Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by 4kings: 2:52pm On Dec 20, 2016
MrMontella has destroyed this thread. grin

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Re: Why Dreams And Prophecies Make Atheists Dumb by Nobody: 4:14pm On Dec 20, 2016
What are the evidence that point to the fact that these things actually happened?.... that is the first thing, just because the bible says it happened doesn't mean it happened... show proof asides from bible passages.... then we can discuss...

Orikinla:
Atheists have failed to challenge how biblical dreams and prophecies come true.
How the Psalms of King David and prophecies of Prophet Isaiah accurately foretold the birth, passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord, Saviour and Messiah, Jesus Christ.

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