Nairaland xtians .. Where are you?

Cc salvation101 , Ihateyoumod , mabea , Emusan, Ronpet777 , primesky , budaatum, thrillionaire , folaski , solite3

I'm all ears bro

thrillionaire:
I'm all ears bro

Read from the beginning , question is there

Expecting your reply

I came at ur mention. D mistake u r making is that u r trying to make us rationalize divinity. We can only analyse d Bible to d point d Holy Spirit helps us to. But there r many questions we don't hv answer to. They r partaking to celestial module operandi which is far beyond us.
All that we need to knw to partake of eternal life is clear enough and we need not bother over all that we shall one day know in totality.

Your answer lies on these verses
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



Flesh and blood are those who are born naturally by physical birth
Remember when peter said Jesus was the Christ and Jesus told him that flesh and blood had not revealed it to him meaning the no human revealed it to him, since all humans only have a natural birth so it is impossible for them to understand Spiritual things.

In light of John 3 above it can be understood that because of the fleshly nature people inherited from Adam, it makes the unfit for the kingdom.
In other to understand 1 cor 15:50
You should
1. Not read the verse in isolation
2. Also understand other verses that speak on that same subject


1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


it is evident that flesh and blood refers to the nature inherited from Adam.

Peacefullove:
Nairaland xtians .. Where are you?

Cc salvation101 , Ihateyoumod , mabea , Emusan, Ronpet777 , primesky , budaatum, thrillionaire , folaski , solite3

First of all, are you a christian? Do you believe in the Jesus we are talking about?

Peacefullove:
Nairaland xtians .. Where are you?

Cc salvation101 , Ihateyoumod , mabea , Emusan, Ronpet777 , primesky , budaatum, thrillionaire , folaski , solite3

God is limitless!. The one who created the flesh, has power over it.

Enoch and Elijah were both taken into heaen alive, yet not with a sinful flesh for they were changed. Just as Jesus had. But those who have made themselves doubters and mockers, have continued in their shameful line of thought despite the obvious truth. But their doubts and unbelieve will not change a thing.

I will forever believe, love and serve the Lord Jesus Christ, because I have a testimony. No one knows what He has done for me, by the grace of God, no spirit, let alone mortal can discourage or make me believe otherwise.

If no body else will believe, I do and I will always do believe in Him. All men must choose for themselves.

Jesus Christ is Lord for ever.

Peacefullove:
Nairaland xtians .. Where are you?

Cc salvation101 , Ihateyoumod , mabea , Emusan, Ronpet777 , primesky , budaatum, thrillionaire , folaski , solite3

stay off my mention Mr.

This is what happens when you try to make sense of a book filled with myths, fiction and magic tricks.

Peacefullove:
No.1

Despite that Christians teach that flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven. They still maintain that Jesus is Human in heaven , to be a human you have to be Flesh and Blood , isnt it ?

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No.2

Christian's again claimed Jesus was raised with a glorified human body , but unfortunately this perfect human body have scars all over it , how could Jesus perfect human body still have scars?

Over to you, enlighten me

No. 2 is the answer to no. 1

Peacefullove:
but unfortunately this perfect human body have scars all over it , how could Jesus perfect human body still have scars?

Over to you, enlighten me

Where were his scars?

Primesky:


God is limitless!. The one who created the flesh, has power over it.

Enoch and Elijah were both taken into heaen alive, yet not with a sinful flesh for they were changed. Just as Jesus had. But those who have made themselves doubters and mockers, have continued in their shameful line of thought despite the obvious truth. But their doubts and unbelieve will not change a thing.

I will forever believe, love and serve the Lord Jesus Christ, because I have a testimony. No one knows what He has done for me, by the grace of God, no spirit, let alone mortal can discourage or make me believe otherwise.

If no body else will believe, I do and I will always do believe in Him. All men must choose for themselves.

Jesus Christ is Lord for ever.

How could a glorified Human flesh that Jesus have in heaven have Scars/Defects?

Face the issue, or you people are just lying on Jesus head

Cc Primesky

salvation101:
stay off my mention Mr.

Its not easy when your cherished myths called beliefs are been confronted with Facts and you have no answer.

I understand you

Ronpet777:
I came at ur mention. D mistake u r making is that u r trying to make us rationalize divinity. We can only analyse d Bible to d point d Holy Spirit helps us to. But there r many questions we don't hv answer to. They r partaking to celestial module operandi which is far beyond us.
All that we need to knw to partake of eternal life is clear enough and we need not bother over all that we shall one day know in totality.

Going with the bold, then how can xtians confidently claim Jesus is human in heaven ? Many xtians on thus forum and blogs CONFIDENTLY declare it.

This thread just want to examine the facts. Are you saying those ones are wrong to say such?

solite3:
Your answer lies on these verses
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



Flesh and blood are those who are born naturally by physical birth
Remember when peter said Jesus was the Christ and Jesus told him that flesh and blood had not revealed it to him meaning the no human revealed it to him, since all humans only have a natural birth so it is impossible for them to understand Spiritual things.

In light of John 3 above it can be understood that because of the fleshly nature people inherited from Adam, it makes the unfit for the kingdom.
In other to understand 1 cor 15:50
You should
1. Not read the verse in isolation
2. Also understand other verses that speak on that same subject


1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


it is evident that flesh and blood refers to the nature inherited from Adam.

Solite3, the highlighted part of your post just proved the point that flesh and blood can mean Human.

So therefore if Flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven , Jesus should not be an human ( flesh and blood )

So the questions are still valid

Muafrika2:

No. 2 is the answer to no. 1

How could a glorified human body Jesus possess in heaven have defects/scars on it ? Anything with defect is not Perfect, agreed ?

budaatum:

Where were his scars?

Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don't be faithless any longer. Believe!" - John 20 vs 27



So which begs two questions

- How could a perfect glorified body have defects ? Anything with defect isn't perfect , agree ?

- Secondly, that flesh and blood according to bible cannot inherit heaven , isn't this a contradiction ?

Peacefullove:

- Secondly, that flesh and blood according to bible cannot inherit heaven , isn't this a contradiction ?

Are you perhaps reading a literal meaning into the above? I doubt it is meant to be taken literally.

Peacefullove:


Its not easy when your cherished myths called beliefs are been confronted with Facts and you have no answer.

I understand you

what ever u call it. Just keep off my mention. Am not here to proove anything to you

Peacefullove:


How could a glorified human body Jesus possess in heaven have defects/scars on it ? Anything with defect is not Perfect, agreed ?

When did scars become a defect? Dont you have any?

Am pretty sure he can still do all the things he used to even with the punctured palms

Muafrika2:

When did scars become a defect? Dont you have any?

Am pretty sure he can still do all the things he used to even with the punctured palms

Not only the bold is the huge scar
He got a large wound on his side and you don't see that as defects ?

The key point here is how is a supposedly glorified human body NOT cleansed of dishonour caused by Scars ?

" it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory " 1 Cor 15 vs 43 says your bible


Is the Bible now telling a Lie since the dishonoured scars with which he was buried are still retained?

If the dishonor is still retained, where is the glory ?

cc : salvation101

budaatum:

Are you perhaps reading a literal meaning into the above? I doubt it is meant to be taken literally.

Flesh and blood mean human.

Its why Yeshua was telling Peter flesh and blood did not reveal it to you . I.e no human reveal it to him .

So the question is: If flesh and blood can't inherit heaven, Why is Jesus still human ?
A contradiction ?

Peacefullove:


How could a glorified Human flesh that Jesus have in heaven have Scars/Defects?

Face the issue, or you people are just lying on Jesus head

Are you seeing yourself?. So you know He has scars. My dear, you have no excuse. If He hasn't those scars, you will say o, it was a lie, He didn't die. But now, you are the one saying it. A carnal man cannot understand the things of the spirit, period!. Those scars are evidence to both you the doubters and to the devil as an evidence for the payment of our sins. What do you think?. Can't the one who heals scars not heal His?. Again I say to you, you have heard the message of Jesus love for you and His salvation plan for you, however, you choose to deny and reject it, rather, you mock and abuse it, while claiming to be wise. That's your choice and you're entitled to it, but you're also liable for the consequences. No argument can negate that.

Jesus Christ is the Way.

Peacefullove:


If flesh and blood can't inherit heaven, Why is Jesus still human ?
A contradiction ?

Is Jesus still human?

hehehehe good question
Dem don run. old olosho sef day run. and she claim say she smart. good job P.
Keep peppering all these fake Christians.
salvation101 how far na ol' ha-g.

Peacefullove:
No.1

Despite that Christians teach that flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven. They still maintain that Jesus is Human in heaven , to be a human you have to be Flesh and Blood , isnt it ?

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No.2

Christian's again claimed Jesus was raised with a glorified human body , but unfortunately this perfect human body have scars all over it , how could Jesus perfect human body still have scars?

Over to you, enlighten me

kolawoleibukun2:
hehehehe good question
Dem don run. old olosho sef day run. and she claim say she smart. good job P.
Keep peppering all these fake Christians.
salvation101 how far na ol' ha-g.

nd u talk say u no be JW ... U can only deceive ursef, u can't deceive me..

kee ursef. ur opinion does not matter to d whole universe. i did no come here to mak u feel beta. I am not ur husband. u hear? u can call me what u want me nuh send ur opinion. is useless to me. what do i owe a disrespectful ol'hag in 2018? phhork ohrff wi ur thgouhgt. hu cares?

of course no one cares wat brothelites beliv in this world. ol hags and former olosho are the least to be taken seriously. if arshewoh die for no nobody day care oh. nobody care if any prostitute goes missing. no one pays attention to that story. so, wetin concern me wit old enerhen junction specialist weda dem deceive am or not. nobody. death na by choice oh.
but my pain na all tthose fetus and innocent lives thrown away at unknown location. if i know where dem day i fo go there go pick the sand sand dem and give babalawo so dat he go immortalize dem. their deaths cannot be for nothing. somebody must to pay for those lives.
stink poooo, see woman way b old graduat. woman way suppose day tie wrapper day go wear khaki hehe. people no no where day pain dem at al.

deadly ebola virus way we suppose exterminate for 9ja. person way cary ebola for toh tow day waka.

salvation101:
nd u talk say u no be JW ... U can only deceive ursef, u can't deceive me..

The One Who looks like a Lamb that is Slain takes The Scroll from The One Who sits on The Throne. Yet, there are four living Creatures at Their Application and Pleasures to transform to Humans!!! How do you get that?

Primesky:


Are you seeing yourself?. So you know He has scars. My dear, you have no excuse. If He hasn't those scars, you will say o, it was a lie, He didn't die. But now, you are the one saying it. A carnal man cannot understand the things of the spirit, period!. Those scars are evidence to both you the doubters and to the devil as an evidence for the payment of our sins. What do you think?. Can't the one who heals scars not heal His?. Again I say to you, you have heard the message of Jesus love for you and His salvation plan for you, however, you choose to deny and reject it, rather, you mock and abuse it, while claiming to be wise. That's your choice and you're entitled to it, but you're also liable for the consequences. No argument can negate that.

Jesus Christ is the Way.

Stop speaking like a programmed robot , how does all this answer the Op?

- Why should Jesus be human in heaven if your Bible said flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven , Is that not contradictory ?


Secondly, If Jesus body have scars and wounds which dishonor it, where is the glory ?

Peacefullove:


Stop speaking like a programmed robot , how does all this answer the Op?

- Why should Jesus be human in heaven if your Bible said flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven , Is that not contradictory ?


Secondly, If Jesus body have scars and wounds which dishonor it, where is the glory ?

No!, The bible did not contradict itself. There is a corruptible body which we all have now, and which will surely die. There is also an incorruptible body which will never die. This body will be given to all who believe in and accept the Lord Jesus Christ at the last day.

Scars?!, You simply don't know. Those scars on Jesus body are very precious, you may not understand this. That is the last thing the devil wants to see. It's an evidence that someone after death, over powered death, hell, grave and Satan himself and all his demons and came back to life!. The devil will do anything to deny that truth. No body dies in sin (Jesus died bearing our sins and went to hell for us as well) and lives again, doing that is to say that Satan is powerless and a pushover, and he doesn't like to hear that. No demon will attempt to say that nor even dare to say that Jesus came in the flesh in the first place.

Regarding the glorified body, I suggest you read the passages below.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Everybody who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and is saved, is entitled to that incorruptible body. But those who don't will die again and remain dead, which is the most painful of all pains.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Jesus possessing that body is an evidence of His promise to us and an evidence of His triumph over Satan, the world, death and hell. A sure victory for all who accept Him. Don't also forget that the one we are talking about, is the creator. He can create and recreate. He made the corruptible and He made the incorruptible. He can make the scars go away, but for now, they will remain a torment for the devils.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Accept Him today and secure yourself eternal life. Time is of the essence.

Peacefullove:


Solite3, the highlighted part of your post just proved the point that flesh and blood can mean Human.

So therefore if Flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven , Jesus should not be an human ( flesh and blood )

So the questions are still valid

flesh and blood is used figuratively, means those with the corrupt nature. Since everyone is born with that nature, therefore every natural human can be referred to as flesh and blood.

The kingdom of God is not just heaven but it is the realm or Sphere where God's perfect will is done.
If a man become born again then he become part of his kingdom check this out
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Why does a man need to be born again?
Answer flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.
It has nothing to do with being human
But it has everything to do with the type of human i.e an old creation ( Adamic race) or the new creation (Christ race).

Again flesh and blood also mean our weak human body since it has been affected by sin and subjected to sickness, death etc ,and God's kingdom is eternal the human body is unsuitable for eternity and must be transformed to a more suitable one

Primesky:


No!, The bible did not contradict itself. There is a corruptible body which we all have now, and which will surely die. There is also an incorruptible body which will never die. This body will be given to all who believe in and accept the Lord Jesus Christ at the last day.

Scars?!, You simply don't know. Those scars on Jesus body are very precious, you may not understand this. That is the last thing the devil wants to see. It's an evidence that someone after death, over powered death, hell, grave and Satan himself and all his demons and came back to life!. The devil will do anything to deny that truth. No body dies in sin (Jesus died bearing our sins and went to hell for us as well) and lives again, doing that is to say that Satan is powerless and a pushover, and he doesn't like to hear that. No demon will attempt to say that nor even dare to say that Jesus came in the flesh in the first place.

Regarding the glorified body, I suggest you read the passages below.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:


43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Everybody who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and is saved, is entitled to that incorruptible body. But those who don't will die again and remain dead, which is the most painful of all pains.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Jesus possessing that body is an evidence of His promise to us and an evidence of His triumph over Satan, the world, death and hell. A sure victory for all who accept Him. Don't also forget that the one we are talking about, is the creator. He can create and recreate. He made the corruptible and He made the incorruptible. He can make the scars go away, but for now, they will remain a torment for the devils.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Accept Him today and secure yourself eternal life. Time is of the essence.

The highlighted is the point am driving at, a scar is a dishonor to the body,if Jesus possess a body with scar it simply means He is not yet glorified. A glorified body will be perfect in every way without any dishonor or defects .