Ngozi123:

The fact that the coup in the Eastern region occurred a bit later than the other ones was a major reason why it failed there. This was due to unforeseen circumstances.

Ngozi123:


I have no idea who you are...

Ngozi123:


Dennis Osadebay, the Igbo Premier, was placed under house arrest and Michael Okpara, the Premier of the Eastern Region, was also arrested. However, Okpara's arrest was delayed by the fact that he was hosting the Head of State of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios. Had it not been for this, he would have been arrested much quicker and maybe Ironsi wouldn't have had enough time to send Lt-Colonel Ejoor to the East to quell the coup there. You see, Ironsi was already in Lagos when this happened and so was aware of the coup going on there. Essentially, it's almost impossible to plan these things to perfection.

Also, the main coup plotter in the East, Lieutenant Oguchi, was one of the soldiers who advocated for a bloodless coup so he may have been apprehensive to kill them so quickly. I honestly believe that had Ifeajuna caught wind of this, he would have ordered them to execute them immediately but this couldn't happen because there wasn't enough time. Many of the other military leaders/politicians were arrested before they were executed.

Super1Star:
DK ekun oko Dede Mor0n.

Have you heard from Katz recently?

logica:
I understand. This is still the same reason why Igbos are busy "developing" other regions while ignoring there's. So some Igbo "patriots" decided to focus on offing other region's leaders while they slacked off on doing there's in abi? Weddone!

Super1Star:


Then you are impersonating the only authentic Ngozi in Politics Section, known as Ngozievergeen and other Ngozi-monickers.

Dedetwo:
R. Iluyomade was not a Major during the debacle and could not have commanded a platoon. The man's actual involvement was as a courier. There were two Iluyomade and were brothers.

laudate:


And you know this because...??

Dedetwo:
This crap you seemed to adore as gospel is a total junk without semblance to military doctrine. It is a shame that caliber of soldier such as Lt Col James Pam had to hurry to phone to tell Gen. Ironsi that coup is underway simply because of sounds of gun shots in his compound. Unless he, Lt Col James Pam, had prior knowledge of the coup, the act of calling his GOC to inform that there is coup because a gun shot was heard in his compound amounts to court-martial offence.

Dedetwo:
Because you do not know both Iluyomade have not made rank of Major during the Ore debacle.

Qelvin:

I have a far better knowledge of the Nigerian civil war that you do, all you did was post a except( could be just some article for academic research and discourse of someone who never witnessed the actual war, but culled his/her version from what was presented as fact by a pro Nigerian standpoint) I have your time today, please debunk my so called lies with actual accounts of both Nigerian and Biafran officers and men who saw action and wrote their own versions of the war.

Qelvin:
Why should I take Alabi Isama's own version of the Midwest invasion over the quite intriguing version of Achuzia's own in his book titled "Requiem Biafra?" I have cross checked various journals, articles, and correspondents from various creditable databases online and even books written by principal actors on both sides as well more balanced versions from prolific foreign observers who covered the war,and the versions all differ in one form or another...so I'll definitely not settle just so easily for anything I just happen to read from either the Nigerian or Biafran side to be honest.

laudate:


Ok, so it is the rank that offends you..! I see!

logica:
Guy, leave these historically deficient entities to be "doubting". The full transcript of the investigation done by the Nigerian Police is freely available on the Internet.

Dedetwo:
When you cannot get the rank of a soldier correctly in a narrative, how on earth can you understand the intrigues of the military parlance in the goofy and feel-happy story? No wonder Nigeria seems to head down the valley.

raumdeuter:
I've lost touch with the former politics crew like desola, ektbear ilekeidi etc

Me I don lie low. I just came out to politics for the remembrance of my great uncle

Aare Samuel Ladoke Akintola

Ajalagbe omo kuloodo Yaagbo yaaju omo kara who was killed by those Ibo soldiers led by nwobosi

logica:
He had not choice! They would lead him out of jail sticking a barrel to his back and order him to rule. Never mind they never made it to Calabar to free him.

Qelvin:

Element of surprise can make a small force look spartan buddy...for the umpteenth time the Midwest region was a buffer zone and was deemed neural at the outbreak of hostility, so it's very much conceivable that the region would have fallen very easily to the Biafrans cause it wasn't heavily defended, the Biafrans SURPRISED the Federal side as they didn't even see the invasion coming, and when it did the Nigerian side were pretty much in hasty retreat, the Biafrans had the momentum of surprise,speed, and a degree of good Intel...that was why the entire Midwest crumbled like a pack of wild cards when the Biafrans struck, and such was the success of the invasion that the Biafrans covered far more ground that they even anticipated, Ore was there for the taking but Banjo decided for reasons best known to him halt the attack, even your Alabi Isama reported that Biafrans had the momentum, cause he was with the Biafrans before he defected to the Nigerian side... the Nigerian troops were surely not better trained, Igbos always had the best crop of military officers right from the post independence era to ...Nigerian soldiers were simply better equipped, and that alone didn't save them when they were wiped out by a small Biafran force at the botched river crossing attempt at Asaba three times.

laudate:


You?? You have a far better knowledge of the civil war than I do? Let me guess... you fought on the side of the Biafrans and you have scars to show for it? Or you were on the battlefield at Ore carrying ammunition with your war colleagues? Or you were with Ojukwu inside his bunker planning war strategies? Which one?? because your puerile responses so far have not shown that you have any in-depth knowledge of the war that is not in public domain already.


Guy, I really do not care what 'side,' you prefer to believe. You have not cited any sources to buttress your points. Neither have you brought forth any evidence to support your views. You keep expecting others to spoonfeed you with info, as if you are toddler. Sorry, I don't have time to do that. Go and conduct your research, and kindly get off my mentions since you have nothing to add to the on-going discourse!

Thank you!

Qelvin:
Lol...the oyinbos followed the Federal forces, like they weren't any foreign correspondent in Biafra too abi?

ImperialYoruba:
In that case there's nothing special about Biafra fighting and holding Nigeria and its allies back for three years. That was not an Ibo feat of brevity and strength,since there were Yorubas in the Biafran force. Your Biafran effort was backboned by Yoruba inclusion.

laudate:


Oh, now you acknowledge that the old Mid-west was a neutral zone. Were you not the same person disputing earlier that Ojukwu and Ejoor the former administrator of the old Midwest did not have any agreement that the region would be neutral? Interesting!

Anyway, like I said earlier, you are free to continue disputing the fact that there was a battle at Ore, despite the fact that it has been well documented. I guess if it makes you sleep better at night, what is my own business? Knock yourself out, kid.

Anyway, Murtala Muhammed's team could not make the crossing because of the faulty strategy he used. Eventually another battalion commanded by federal soldiers made a successful crossing, and kicked the Biafran army out of the old Midwest. Are you happy, now?

Qelvin:
Crime detection does not draw it's conclusion on mere speculation, the facts on ground have to be existential, concrete, and on basis of rationality proven to be true. On that note what we read here reeks of someone's statement or report that wasn't even present in all the scenarios that played out,who was present to witness all these events and conversations right from the time Pam's house was besieged and when he was been taken away?

laudate:


There were witnesses present when Pam was arrested and taken away, and the conversation between him and the soldiers was done within the hearing of his wife. And you know women like to talk. In her grief, she must have replayed the scenario a thousand times in her head, and told others about it, including her son who documented the story of his arrest. So Mrs. Pam was witness number 1.

At the execution ground, other soldiers (who were also part of the coup plotters) were present, when shots that killed Pam were fired. Don't forget that those soldiers were arrested. Police or the Special Branch team at that time, must have debriefed them and the records must have been carefully kept. So those chaps at the execution ground, were witness number 2.

Pam's son must have had access to the transcripts of their trial, or statements made when they were arrested. So that was how he was able to put the whole report, together.

Now that is not so hard to understand, is it?

Qelvin:
I said provide a veritable source that all that conversation happened, isn't that the bone of contention? I know some yorubas are smart but stop disgracing your people here.

Qelvin:
go f.v.c.k yourself you Slag, you stay on every thread a damn topic that relates to Biafra or Igbos, if that's not some sickening obsession then I don't know what else it is, your archives are there to see...you are active on about 60% of post about Igbos, you need to die quick already,oniranu.

Talking about citing sources, I'm I supposed to waste my time countering what I have already read from several books already? If I were to cite a quote from Madiebo's book in lieu with my standpoint, what difference will that make to someone like you who insist Alabi Isama's own version has to be right because he was at the war theatre in Ore, Madiebo's book still remains a best seller, go to Amazon and read the thrilling reviews about it from people all over the world, for a book that was written in the late 80's, it's sustains a lot of respect due to the in depth and balanced account of what happened on both sides, you have no right to tell me to get off your mentions, it'd best you stfu and don't respond at all.

Qelvin:
All conjectures and no valid link to facts, your crime detective skill is riddled with speculative nonsense, educative guessing does you no favors on these one. I hope you do know that the attitude of the Northerners at the time was one of revenge, the counter coup was swift and brutal in its execution, I have no doubt the Northerners did not leave any room for your debriefing logic when all the soldiers involved in the coup were arrested...as far as the average Northern soldier was concerned at the time, if you were Igbo..you had to die regardless of whether you were a witness to the executions or not, this is just a very likely scenario if you were to picture the tense atmosphere at the time...and you have to also take into consideration that the Northern.grudge against Ironsi was that he failed to bring the coup leaders and participants to justice; thus we can infer that no official form of confessions were even released after the coup, so I just debunked your witness No 2 theory with a more plausible fact.

As for your witness # 1 theory, I'm glad you admitted women like to talk, and don't forget also EXAGGERATE, a heart broken woman recounting her tales of woe will surely add one or two scenes to her own story that will make sense to her, it's more of a instinctive wave of self preservation that deductive truth, so we can agree to disagree that in part, whatever conversations played out on the night of the arrest of Lt Col Pam was a likely scenario from a rational point...just the same way a good writer can come up with an imaginative dialogue to fit a scene and piece it together as a good plot for a story, hardly any detective skill involved in it.

Qelvin:
In war every form of neutrality is truncated the moment you invade another man's land, the Midwest was there for the taking because it was still deemed federal territory at the time, if Nigeria didn't fire the first shot at Ogoja and Garkem, there won't have been a Midwest invasion.
Ore saw no significant battle, Biafran troops stalled there thanks to Victor Banjo who was the worst possible character to even lead an attack of such importance in the first place, it's like asking a demon to lead an army of demons to upstage the devil at the gate of hell...very absurd...in war time and momentum are very important, we lost that by failing to press our advantage and paid the price by buying the Federal side enough time to reorganize and counter attack a force led by a clueless traitor.

We lost the Midwest but Muritala paid the price at Onitsha and Abagana, losing almost 10,000 troops just to capture a town is a pyrrhic way to console yourself as a commanders, little wonder he quit and returned to Lagos a defeated man.

laudate:


Ok, you still do NOT want to believe that there were witnesses to Pam's arrest and execution?? No problem. Like someone said earlier: Pam killed himself. He riddled his body with multiple gunshots all alone, without anyone's help. Are you happy, now??

Qelvin:
I don't believe anything I read online, all the witnesses dead or alive should have written their own versions of what happened, I have learned not to take anything that relates to the unfortunate events of 1966-1970 with a mole of seriousness because it was a time hampered by too much anger, pain, and hatred...anybody could have recounted anything that made more sense to him in order to either led credence to his/her ethnic sentiments or just told plainly outright lies on account of speculation, even the American history is riddled with half truths, and we know they are far more efficient in preserving their own history, you should ask yourself why the civil war and the coup isn't taught in details in Nigerian schools, it should be a syllabus of its own.

pazienza:
[s]Thank you!
go f.v.c.k yourself you Slag, you stay on every thread a damn topic that relates to Biafra or Igbos, if that's not some sickening obsession then I don't know what else it is, your archives are there to see...you are active on about 60% of post about Igbos, you need to die quick already,oniranu.


60%? That's the understatement of the century.
"It" is 100% on all Igbo related threads and even any Igbo related post. [/s]