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Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ceejay4real(m): 4:31am On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: Major Sam Adegoke died in controversial circumstances in Ibadan. He was attached to the fourth battalion based in Ibadan. Nzeogwu was no where near him not to talk of killing him! You guys should please stop distorting facts here! |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ceejay4real(m): 4:48am On Jan 16, 2017 |
onedayatime: Are you aware that Ironsi extradited Emmanuel Ifeajuna from Ghana after the overthrow of Kwame Nkrumah? Ironsi was not part of the Coup. He was probably tipped off by Yakubu Pam or Major John Obienu one of the coup plotters that declined at the eleventh hour. You people should stop vilifying Ironsi a beg! |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 5:04am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: There is something called crime detection. The bottom line of crime investigation and detection is connecting dots and building a case, with ot without witness, to get justice. The first dot is Col. Pam called two people, Ironsi and Maimalari, and reported gun shots and siege at his home by armed soldiers. The last person Col Pam was seen with was Major Chukwuma when he kidnapped him from home. That's the second dot. The last dot is the discovery of Pam with bullet holes in his body. Whatever happened between Chukuma taking him away and then his assassination,we don't know. Major Chukwuma is responsible for providing that connection we miss. Until he does, the accusation of Pam's death hangs around his neck. He is a criminal....he must clean his name and absolve himself of Pam's death. Qelvin, can you help him? 3 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 5:20am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:Crime detection does not draw it's conclusion on mere speculation, the facts on ground have to be existential, concrete, and on basis of rationality proven to be true. On that note what we read here reeks of someone's statement or report that wasn't even present in all the scenarios that played out,who was present to witness all these events and conversations right from the time Pam's house was besieged and when he was been taken away? |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 5:34am On Jan 16, 2017 |
johntolu: Do you know the history of Ibo in Nigerian politics? It started in Yorubaland. Without Yorubaland they are nobody in Nigeria. I cant even begin to count and narrate the accounts, not enough space here to do so. They have been cornered and tamed politically. The thought was if they were allowed to exist independently and have a control of their homeland their wildness would not find cure and there is high risk they would atart another war. Nobody want to be fighting a war every few years. The solution was to make them dependent. Go and read Awo's doctrines for better understanding on the agenda. The problem we have now is getting regionalism. Once regionalism comes in Ibos would have no choice but to self govern East. Where is the human and infrastructure to do that? None. So they must continue to depend on Yoruba.....and thats where reality will set in for them. We dont need a relationship with them, we just need to keep our eyes on Awo's doctrines and keep our progress and evolutiin going. Ibo will always be dependent on us and we in turn keep them underfoot for the taste of Lagos.....they want to live and taste Lagos, thats the hook! 4 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 5:47am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:Are you insane? Please state one good reason why any Igbo will need to depend on yorubas for anything? We see you guys more or less as unstable set of people who are only good at owambe and filth... And what exactly do you mean by human and infrastructure? Can't you see the more you try to make sense, the more stupid you end up looking...lmfaoooo ode, we come to Lagos because the federal presence is more prominent there with all the seas ports all all situated in Lagos, we come there, take advantage of the opportunities built there by ALL NIGERIANS and return the wealth back to our region while we control a fair share of wealth also in what we've come to know as No man's land, a fact you will either deal with or die trying, you yorubas think you are dealing with fools...there is a reason why Igbos are focused on Lagos so much, we know it's the easiest means to provoke you guys, and we damn love to see yorubas cry when we keep trooping in. 1 Like |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 6:09am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: The point I made about the three location dots are corroborated by other writers. The first dot establishes malice and calculated (premeditation) move to besiege and do harm to the occupants in Pam's house. The second dot confirmed an execution of the plot. The third dot is evidence that the plot succeeded. Perharps all the writers from different witnessing points and narration were all wrong and their accounts are false. Qelvin is the only soul whose account should be accepted. No problem, we accept your account, Pam killed himself. Now can we hear word? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ahmedhussain3463: 6:13am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin:lol continue |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 6:14am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:Dude you make absolutely no sense, please provide a verifiable source to all this so called writers that collaborate the same narrative on this one, including all the conversations that played out...abi you think say this na nollywood script? Won't even bother reading the rest of the gibberish you wrote up there, second dot ko tenth comma ni. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 6:16am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ceejay4real:Sergeant Oyemole Oyegoke was a part of the group Nzeogwu led to the Sardauna's palace and he was shot by Nzeogwu himself, along with 2 members of the palace guards. You can read more online. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 6:35am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: Around 1930,this was the first appearance of anything called Ibo in Yorubaland. Prior, nobody in Yorubaland knew anything called Ibo. Yorubas that traveled or lived in North knew of people called yanminri, because many of you had migrated and lived there even before 1914 amalgamation. Ajayi Crowther lived amongst you while he was educating you about Jesus,that's about it! So go into archives and begin to recount Ibo presence in Yorubaland and the truth will be there for you to see. The first political gathering of Ibo was an organization called Ibo union. This union was not formed in Enugu or Abakaliki or Onitsha....it was formed in Lagos. The first political party you all voted under was NCNC. This was a party formed in Lagos by Yorubas to oppose colonial rule. You flooded the party and took it over. We donated it to you but you ran it aground due to your lack of political savviness. Even while we were focused on developing our region your Azikiwe ignored East and was competing with us to develop our land...but he lost the battle. The bitterness of the loss led to him, as President, leading the referendum in Midwest and eventually carving out Midwest from Western region. That did not stop our growth. Your coup plotters and their sponsors, Okpara, Azikiwe and Ironsi, sent your boys out to decimate the political and military elites of other tribes. You still could not stop us. We recovered and progressed. Then your warlord completely abandoned facing his oppressors in North and headed West. You still failed. During Jonathan tenure you totally turned the Ijaw man against Yoruba and made him believe you are the only people he needed to run Nigeria. You ruined his government for him. This did not stop Yoruba progress,in fact Yorubaland progressed and outperformed the Federal Government in public administration and socio economic development. In all of this, since 1930, show me one positive accomplishment you have had as a region. None! You think what I said in that statement you quoted is a joke? Where do your leaders run to when they get money? Yorubaland. What do they do with the money? Invest it in building structure and trade. Whats wrong with sinking that money into your land? They cannot because we have hooked them. Your leaders are operating on remote control and Yorubas are the ones pushing the buttons. You think this is a joke? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 6:40am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: Ahh, we say Chukwuma killed Pam, you said no. We say ok,no problem....Pam killed himself, you still no gree. Cant you see your lunacy cant find cure on earth? 4 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by mildflame: 6:54am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba: Kindly tell me one political party structure the BIAFRANS made formidable? NCNC was a union of parties hijacked by them ordinary APGA Ojukwu formed of what relevance is it? Truth is, the earlier every other tribe understands the nature of the BIAFRANS the better. NEVER close your eyes when dealing with them, they are GREED personified 4 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by timsucess(m): 7:01am On Jan 16, 2017 |
There was a country
one day we will be salvaged |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 7:08am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:I said provide a veritable source that all that conversation happened, isn't that the bone of contention? I know some yorubas are smart but stop disgracing your people here. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 7:11am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba: Epic trash, you ended up saying much without saying anything worthwhile, can't believe I even read all that balderdash, show me one major indices that proves yorubas are ahead of the Igbos and stop boring me with your conjectures of amala infested nonsense. 1 Like |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by johntolu: 7:30am On Jan 16, 2017 |
[color=#006600][/color] ImperialYoruba: Imperial Yoruba, How is the remote control operated? |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 7:43am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: Beside what has been told about the coup, who amongst us witnessed it? None! Is there any truth to the fact that Ibos were massacred in North? None! ...except what was told, none of us was there to see it. 1 Like |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 7:48am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: Name one positive accomplishment Ibo has made for its Eastern region since 1930. No gain! You are today still where you were in 1930, dependent on Yoruba to civilize you! 2 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 7:51am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:You haven't even civilized your father who still squats in the antiquated squalor of his mud house in Osogbo, it's Uche who owns his own mansion that you want to civilize? go audition for a comedy strip cause you sure got some jokes in you bud. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 7:55am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:Exactly my point, so since none of us here can verify that all those events played out at Pam's residence on the night of the said attack, then why waste our time on irreconcilable versions of what actually happened? you have every right to believe your version while I have a right to believe mine...at the end it's not your prerogative to make me believe your view is the one I have to believe, you can believe that no massacres took place, just the same way I'll take the version that yorubas actively participated in the coup and even praised it's success. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by onedayatime(m): 7:57am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ceejay4real:did I said Ironsi was part of the coup? No. Please, read and understand. I only point out to you why we can call it an Igbo coup, and one of the reasons that led to the counter coup was because Ironsi failed to deal with the coup plotters. 2 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by onedayatime(m): 8:08am On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: ceejay4real:you can lie die, and why are you defending the indefensible? What he said is the truth. He was killed by Kaduna 1 Like |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 8:16am On Jan 16, 2017 |
johntolu: It's simple! Open the economy of Lagos to them but deny them sense of ownership. It's a dangling carrot. They believe it's almost within reach, the next 100 Ibos to build house in Lekki will put the carrot in our hand and we will be co owners of Lagos. So they keep on sinking next 100 Ibo wealth and Yoruba keep shifting the carrot out of their reach. They see it and smell it, but cant grab or bite into it. Awolowo knew what makes them tick. After years of unsuccessful efforts for recognition they became frustrated and declared if they could not own any piece of Lagos then Yorubas should not either. That's where the "no man's land" label came from. Fashola moved the carrot close to them enough to get Peter Obi to sink billions of naira into businesses in parts of Lagos. Agbaje said he would give the carrot to them. Eleko stepped in and said if any Ibo touch the carrot.....this Lagoon So Ambode came in and increased the carrot distance again. His first task as Governor was to revamp civil service and put Yorubas in charge. Ibos complained that he left them out of government. To show inclusiveness and representation Ambode sent task force to Oshodi to do their thing. Ohanaeze labeled Ambode Ndigbo enemy number 1. Lately they have been shouting Think Home, Grow Home. The people advocating this live in Lagos....but telling their people to Think Home. We know their game and we have a fix for it. We shall squeeze them dry. They can stay in Lagos but they shall never own a piece of it, however wealthy they become. They are on our hook! 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 8:18am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: The coup did not happen. I agree, why waste time? I concluded this many posts ago and told you Chukwuma did not kill Pam. Pam killed himself. 3 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 8:19am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba:Actually a yoruba soldier shot Pam, my uncle was there |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 8:24am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Qelvin: There you go, thats it! Pam was shot by an amala eater. Elizabeth failed to prepare amala for the poor soldier, so he kidnapped her husband and shot him. Encore...C'est finis! 2 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by fourthworld: 8:38am On Jan 16, 2017 |
NCP: And no yoruba officer was involved? You people are perpetual betrayers . I hate you people with passion |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by fourthworld: 8:41am On Jan 16, 2017 |
Naija9090: See zombie, dominate your makeshift country? We want to stay on our own. We are not interested in being part of your useless zoo |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by fourthworld: 8:49am On Jan 16, 2017 |
ImperialYoruba: Look at a moronic beggar saying igbos depend on them to survive? region that are included in Buhari's 5000 naira poverty alleviation comparing themselves with great igbos. Pathetic poor delusional souls. Awo's doctrine. Doctrine of someone that committed suicide, no wonder you people are perpetual failures; following the doctrine of a complete Fulani's tissue paper |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by zendy: 8:51am On Jan 16, 2017 |
victorvezx: Go back in history abd you will find out that there was was wild jubilation nationwide at the coup. Nzeogwus coup was well recieved by everyone at first, so you have no point. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by ImperialYoruba: 8:56am On Jan 16, 2017 |
fourthworld: We follow the doctrine of the Great war strategist! Starvation is a weapon of war! If we change the currency the Biafran pound will be worthless. |
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