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How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by ibinaboonline: 8:03am On Feb 18, 2017
Answer: The global flood of Noah’s day was the direct judgment of a just God. The Bible says the flood wiped out “people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds”—everything that breathed air (Genesis 7:23). Some people today are offended by the flood story, saying it is proof of God’s injustice, arbitrariness, or just plain meanness. They accuse the Bible of promoting a temperamental God who judges indiscriminately and say that only a bully would drown everyone, including children and all those innocent animals.

Such attacks on the character of God are nothing new. As long as there have been sinners in the world, there have been charges that God is unjust. Consider Adam’s subtle shifting of blame. When asked about eating the forbidden fruit, Adam said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit” (Genesis 3:12). That is, it was the woman’s fault, and God’s, since He made the woman. But blaming God did not mitigate Adam’s sin. And calling God “unjust” for sending the flood will not lessen ours.

The flood of Noah’s day has many counterparts in history. God judged the people of Canaan with a command to wipe them out (Deuteronomy 20:16–18). He similarly judged Sodom and Gomorrah, Nineveh (Nahum 1:14), and Tyre (Ezekiel 26:4). And the final judgment before the Great White Throne will result in all the wicked from all time being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). The plain message of the Bible is that God does judge sin, whether by an invading army, by fire and brimstone, or by a catastrophic global flood.

The flood was just because God commanded it (and God is just). “The LORD is upright . . . and there is no wickedness in him” (Psalm 92:15). “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of [God’s] throne” (Psalm 89:14). God always does what is right. His decrees and judgments are always just. If He decreed that the whole world be flooded, then He was just in doing so, no matter what human skeptics say. It is not surprising that we tend to define justice in a way that will benefit ourselves.

The flood was just because mankind was evil. “The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time” (Genesis 6:5). We cannot fully imagine the extent of the wickedness of that day. We have never seen the like. The evil was “great,” and every thought of everyone’s heart was only evil continually. There was no goodness in the world; every person was wholly corrupted. There was nothing within them that was not evil. The people of Noah’s day were not dabblers in sin; they had taken the plunge, and everything they did was an abomination.

The text provides some clues as to the extent of the evil before the flood. One problem was the rampant violence: “The earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence” (Genesis 6:11). The descendants of Cain, the first murderer, were abounding in bloodshed. Another evil among the antediluvians was occult sexuality. Genesis 6:1–4 mentions the Nephilim, “heroes of old, men of renown” who were the products of a union between fallen angels and human woman. The demons who participated in this sin are currently in “chains of darkness . . . reserved for judgment” (2 Peter 2:4). The people who participated—and the Nephilim themselves—were destroyed in the flood. The biblical description of pre-flood humanity is that they had become totally hardened and beyond repentance. Things were so bad that “the Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled” (Genesis 6:6).

But what about the children who drowned? The fact is that sin affects all of society, not just those who intentionally engage in evil. When a society promotes abortion, babies die as a result. When a father or mother begins taking meth, their children will suffer as a result. And, in the case of Noah’s generation, when a culture gives itself over to violence and aberrant sexuality, the children suffered. Humanity brought the flood upon themselves and upon their own children.

The flood was just because all sin is a capital offense. “The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). We should not be shocked that God swept away the world’s population with the flood; we should be shocked that He hasn’t done something similar to us! Sinners tend to have a light view of sin, but all sin is worthy of death. We take God’s mercy for granted, as if we deserve it, but we complain about God’s justice as if it’s somehow unfair, as if we don’t deserve it.

The flood was just because the Creator has the right to do as He pleases with His creation. As the potter can do whatever he wants with the clay on his wheel, so God has the right to do as He pleases with the work of His own hands. “The LORD does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths” (Psalm 135:6).

Here is the most amazing part of the flood story: “Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Genesis 6:cool. God’s grace extended into His damaged, sin-stained creation and preserved one man and his family. In so doing, God preserved the whole human race through the godly line of Seth. And, in bringing the animals into the ark, God also preserved the rest of His creation. So, God’s judgment was not a total annihilation; it was a reset.

As always, God’s judgment in Noah’s time was accompanied by grace. The Lord is a “compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished” (Exodus 34:6–7, emphasis added). God would rather the wicked repent and live (Ezekiel 18:23). God delayed judgment on the Amorites for four hundred years (Genesis 15:16). God would have spared Sodom for the sake of even ten righteous people dwelling there (Genesis 18:32). But, eventually, His judgment must fall.

It took Noah up to a hundred years to build the ark. We can assume that, if other people had wanted to board the ark and be saved, they could have done so. But that would have required faith. Once God shut the door, it was too late; they had lost their chance (Genesis 7:16). The point is that God never sends judgment without prior warning. As commentator Matthew Henry said, “None are punished by the justice of God, but those who hate to be reformed by the grace of God.”

The global flood of Noah’s day was a just punishment of sin. Those who say the flood was unjust probably don’t like the idea of judgment to begin with. The story of Noah is a vivid reminder that, like it or not, there is another judgment coming: “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man” (Matthew 24:37). Are you ready, or will you be swept away?

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by orunto27: 8:24am On Feb 18, 2017
In other Words, Whatsoever is Just is God's Good Judgment.
Hallelujah!!!
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by hopefulLandlord: 8:34am On Feb 18, 2017
orunto27:
In other Words, Whatsoever is Just is God's Good Judgment.
Hallelujah!!!

but divine command theory becomes invalid when book Haram people carry out suicide bombing in the name of their god, Amirite hypocrite?

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by orunto27: 8:48am On Feb 18, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


but divine command theory becomes invalid when book Haram people carry out suicide bombing in the name of their god, Amirite hypocrite?

All human actions are judged by Only One God Who is in Heaven.
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by hopefulLandlord: 8:59am On Feb 18, 2017
orunto27:


All human actions are judged by Only One God Who is in Heaven.

I honestly don't see how this counter the point I have up there bro, or maybe there's something I'm missing here

"Its judged by one single god who is in heaven" has absolutely no bearing to this discussion because a Islamic suicide bomber believes he's doing their god's work by killing "infidels" like you

The Israeli soldiers believed they are carrying doing their god's work by killing women, male children, non-virgin female children and taking the virgin females alive for themselves

and they're both "just" according to their version of gods

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by orunto27: 11:44am On Feb 18, 2017
Easy. Let's take you as example, In the process of executing your plan, you discover a fault that might make you fail, won't you amend your materials, labor and overheads?
God did exactly what I have just described. The Flood was a Process that God used to alter His Own Course of Actions in Creations.
He has not finished yet. He has promised to use Fire burning with Sulfur next time He catches Atheists on Nairaland.
What you call infidels by Bokoharam's standards might be Majestic Saints and Sons and Daughters of Righteousness in The Eyes of God The Almighty and not in eyes of humans(Muslims, Bokoharam, ISIS, FULANis, Al-Qaeda etcetera) The All Bloody.
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Wilgrea7(m): 12:25pm On Feb 18, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


I honestly don't see how this counter the point I have up there bro, or maybe there's something I'm missing here

"Its judged by one single god who is in heaven" has absolutely no bearing to this discussion because a Islamic suicide bomber believes he's doing their god's work by killing "infidels" like you

The Israeli soldiers believed they are carrying doing their god's work by killing women, male children, non-virgin female children and taking the virgin females alive for themselves

and they're both "just" according to their version of gods

food for thought
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by GoodMuyis(m): 8:57pm On Feb 18, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


I honestly don't see how this counter the point I have up there bro, or maybe there's something I'm missing here

"Its judged by one single god who is in heaven" has absolutely no bearing to this discussion because a Islamic suicide bomber believes he's doing their god's work by killing "infidels" like you

The Israeli soldiers believed they are carrying doing their god's work by killing women, male children, non-virgin female children and taking the virgin females alive for themselves

and they're both "just" according to their version of gods

OR can they both be correct at sometime, I don't think so one has to be correct before we hold on to it and then ascribe it to YHWH
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Ranchhoddas: 12:00am On Feb 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:

food for thought
You dey confuse me these days. You be Christian?
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Wilgrea7(m): 10:56am On Feb 19, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
You dey confuse me these days. You be Christian?

of course I'm a christian... but hopefullandlord did make a point.. a muslim will kill claiming he is killing for his God.. a Christian might do so... so also a Jew.. if we really believe our God to be the supreme God, then he can fight for himself... many people justify killing as long as its in the name of their God.. it shouldn't be so.. the God should be able to kill any “infidel" like Sodom and Gomorrah... he doesn't need humans to help him do it... that's my own personal opinion tho... it is subject to change

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by darbeelicous(f): 10:58am On Feb 19, 2017
whose side are u on?
hopefulLandlord:


but divine command theory becomes invalid when book Haram people carry out suicide bombing in the name of their god, Amirite hypocrite?
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Ranchhoddas: 11:14am On Feb 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:


of course I'm a christian... but hopefullandlord did make a point.. a muslim will kill claiming he is killing for his God.. a Christian might do so... so also a Jew.. if we really believe our God to be the supreme God, then he can fight for himself... many people justify killing as long as its in the name of their God.. it shouldn't be so.. the God should be able to kill any “infidel" like Sodom and Gomorrah... he doesn't need humans to help him do it... that's my own personal opinion tho... it is subject to change
Atheism is knocking on your door.
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by MaziOmenuko: 11:19am On Feb 19, 2017
He used water to destroy the earth the first time, hoping that the survivors will adhere only to his name: it didn't work.

He killed his son next, just to create a pathway for everyone to adhere to his name, it didn't work.

He is preparing fire to roast people, hoping that the new earth and it's inhabitants will adhere eto his name...how are you sure this one will work? His plans keep failing him.

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by frank317: 11:31am On Feb 19, 2017
Unfortunately Yahweh is not the only God people believe in. U there cannot justify Yahweh killing people or instructing his servants to kill people because of sin. If so, then you shouldn't be angry at extreme Muslims who say their Allah commanded them to kill infidels.

There is everythin wrong with the flood story. God supposedly committed mass murder because of sin. Yet the very people he selected continued from where the same sin he killed for stopped. Why save Noah when Noah and his generation would start another sinful trend?

The mission was fruitless, unnecessary and not Godly. It's not Godly in the sense that, this is only the type of action that a highly temperamental human could do. It set to achieve nothing, just a reaction to something u cannot control.

I don't know if God exists, but I sometimes wonder if the character of the biblical and Islamic God really fit how a God should act like. It really does not make sense to imagine a so call supreme Creator acts like a faulty human who have accepted they are not perfect. It does not seem right that a so call creator of the universe will set out to feel angry, intimidated, jealous, competitive with his Creations, not only humans but fallen angels.

This God needs constant praise, just like humans do and also needs constant reminder from humans of how great he is in the name of worship.

I don't know any God but I am not comfortable with the idea that God act just like ordinary humans.

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by frank317: 11:55am On Feb 19, 2017
MaziOmenuko:
He used water to destroy the earth the first time, hoping that the survivors will adhere only to his name: it didn't work.

He killed his son next, just to create a pathway for everyone to adhere to his name, it didn't work.

He is preparing fire to roast people, hoping that the new earth and it's inhabitants will adhere eto his name...how are you sure this one will work? His plans keep failing him.

He is actually a God of trial and error...A God in a learning process... It makes no sense

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Wilgrea7(m): 12:15pm On Feb 19, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
Atheism is knocking on your door.

considering both our posts, you're more closer to atheism than i am.. i can never be an atheist.. I'm a staunch Christian.. although liberal

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Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Ranchhoddas: 12:50pm On Feb 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:


considering both our posts, you're more closer to atheism than i am.. i can never be an atheist.. I'm a staunch Christian.. although liberal
Hehe...we shall see!
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Basic123: 2:09pm On Feb 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:


of course I'm a christian... but hopefullandlord did make a point.. a muslim will kill claiming he is killing for his God.. a Christian might do so... so also a Jew.. if we really believe our God to be the supreme God, then he can fight for himself... many people justify killing as long as its in the name of their God.. it shouldn't be so.. the God should be able to kill any “infidel" like Sodom and Gomorrah... he doesn't need humans to help him do it... that's my own personal opinion tho... it is subject to change
..Exactly,God should be able to forgive us of our sins without having to send his only child to us for him to be crucified and killed by us.
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Wilgrea7(m): 4:56pm On Feb 19, 2017
Basic123:
..Exactly,God should be able to forgive us of our sins without having to send his only child to us for him to be crucified and killed by us.


you're saying an entirely different thing... i was talking about killing for our God.. its totally unnecessary.. God doesn't need man to fight for him.. on the contrary, its the other way around... Jesus case isn't a case of man fighting for his God.. so it doesn't relate
Re: How Is The Flood Of Noah's Time Just? by Basic123: 6:47am On Feb 20, 2017
Wilgrea7:



you're saying an entirely different thing... i was talking about killing for our God.. its totally unnecessary.. God doesn't need man to fight for him.. on the contrary, its the other way around... Jesus case isn't a case of man fighting for his God.. so it doesn't relate
...yeah its different things.but they have something in common and that is the fact that "God is involving a man in what he could have done himself"

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