lannre:

so whatz wrong if[b] terry g is contesting for the president ![/b] when last did your vote counts ? WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR COUNCILOR ?

~Bluetooth:

ROTFL. . .i can't imagine a restless person like him as my president,so unpresentable anyways the name of my councillor is my business and not yours.

lannre:

good to know that bluetooth, so what disqualify Wasiu from contesting ?

~Bluetooth:

Constitutionally he has a right to contest so is the madman and touts around even these days,we hear of ex-militants coming to contest in 2011 and you wonder what people of this calibre have to offer.What does Wasiu want ? What does he stand for  ? What political experience does he have ? What are is his credentials ? Please,I need answers

dayokanu:

Dimeji Bankole has all the certificates and speaks impeccable English but what difference has he made for his people?

I heard that in the Western Region House of the first republic Many of the reps are illiterates and debate in Yoruba, Its on record that is one of the best time Politically for this country.

Has Obahiagbon with all his English made any difference in the life of Nigeria?

Goodluck is a PhD holder, what difference has it made?

All the Professors that were made ministers what difference did it make? Is Aborisade not a Prof? Is Maurice Iwu not a Prof?

Now can someone tell me the what correlation English speaking has with good governance using examples?

~Bluetooth:

And what makes you think the people you mentioned would have performed better if they are stark illiterate ?

dayokanu:

Dimeji Bankole has all the certificates and speaks impeccable English but what difference has he made for his people?

I heard that in the Western Region House of the first republic Many of the reps are illiterates and debate in Yoruba, Its on record that is one of the best time Politically for this country.

Has Obahiagbon with all his English made any difference in the life of Nigeria?

Goodluck is a PhD holder, what difference has it made?

All the Professors that were made ministers what difference did it make? Is Aborisade not a Prof? Is Maurice Iwu not a Prof?

Now can someone tell me the what correlation English speaking has with good governance using examples?

lannre:

so no one can do it better

Believe me there is no correlation with certification and administration especially in a Charly boy show country (where anything can happen.) If the firewood seller is prudent enough to save and have a graduate as his son. And most Nigerian professors are "wise" enough to make the educational sectors an "enviable " one.

~Bluetooth:

Until politics is taken as a career,then we can begin to see changes in our present democracy.It's just like saying bankers or medical doctors are not supposed to be educated.Make it a profession,let people study what governance is all about in a formal and refined way and you will see the result we always wanted.
this approach of let everyone contest even when they have nothing to offer is what is killing us.

lannre:

so no one can do it better

Believe me there is no correlation with certification and administration especially in a Charly boy show country (where anything can happen.) If the firewood seller is prudent enough to save and have a graduate as his son. And most Nigerian professors are "wise" enough to make the educational sectors an "enviable " one.

lannre:

so no one can do it better

Believe me there is no correlation with certification and administration especially in a Charly boy show country (where anything can happen.) If the firewood seller is prudent enough to save and have a graduate as his son. And most Nigerian professors are "wise" enough to make the educational sectors an "enviable " one.

~Bluetooth:

Until politics is taken as a career,then we can begin to see changes in our present democracy.It's just like saying bankers or medical doctors are not supposed to be educated.Make it a profession,let people study what governance is all about in a formal and refined way and you will see the result we always wanted.
this approach of let everyone contest even when they have nothing to offer is what is killing us.

lannre:

Governance transcend beyond having a career in Politics, is just like saying no  Chartered Accountants  will perpetrate fraud, or those Chartered bankers (Erastus and co ) will bring about the changes you talk about. Essence of  Governance is governance is to attain the highest level of transparency, accountability and integrity. All these  I believe will be in that "University of Good Governance"  Now the outcome: the Human Resources to implement that knowledge acquired. How do you think they will govern like a professional, they do attend seminars,workshops  , they have blueprints,"white prints" , so many proposals. But this is a Charly boy show. (anything can happen here Bluetooth) I believe Nigeria is probably one of the easiest countries to govern on earth,reason being that Nigerians have this can do spirit that is quite rare in several other countries and they are very intelligent, highly innovative, hard working people.What is needed is a leadership with direction,that's what we lack,I am not a democratic romanticist , but what I do know is that it is a lot harder today to develop any country than it was say 50 years ago,and the more we wait,the harder it becomes.

~Bluetooth:

And what makes you think the people you mentioned would have performed better if they are stark illiterate ?

beejaay:

@Bluetooth u disappointed me. i use to love your contributions on this forum but you are so wrong on this one. can u please check your so called english dictionary and tell me the OXFORD meaning of a CAREER. Medicine, Engineering, Finance, Law, Art, Music. are they not a career as your dictionary describe it. what is the difference between Wasiu, Micheal jackson, Jay Z, Onyeka Owenu, Owomumi(graduate), Sound Sultan(Graduate). tell us if there is any different. just some times back Jay Z and Warren Buffet had a meeting debating how to donate fund to the poor community, something that your so called literate cannot do.just because Wasiu Aying grown up on the street of Lagos makes u think he is not capable( remember that there is already a certification procedure for office seekers, going by that it means he has the necessary credential to contest by your definition). please don't show your ignorance more than you have already done. Arnold became the governor of California  (a movie start for that matter. whats your take on that?)Wyclef wanted to be president but was disqualify not because he happens to be a musician but because he hasnt be staying in the country for some number of years. Omisore won from Prison, Patricia is an hair Dresser(already bagged national award),Ganiyu Olododo( former chief of staff, commissioner, and current head of service, in kwara state just got his NCE certificate no more than 4 to 5yrs ago and he has one time be the Chairman of a local govt), i know some commissioners in kwara state that are stack illiterate. Bluetooth pls wake up and understand there is difference between governance and what your mentality tells you. these people you think you are mocking are successful people in their field and they are very close to the people, they run away just like Bankole will do after his tenure has ended.

beejaay:

are u saying that political office seekers should go to school to study political science first before contesting.Politics is not a career but a sefless service to the people thats why its defined as govt for the people by the people and for the benefit of the people. if u say people should take it up as a career then u are saying that a fresh graduate can go into politics immediately he finish his/her NYSC. if i should take it as career how im i suppose to survive without stealing money (tell me). let me ask you did J.F kenedy, G.Bush, Tony Blair, Musharaf, Kofi Annan, Mandele took it as a career? if you say yes to this thats end of story.

lannre:

Governance transcend beyond having a career in Politics, is just like saying no  Chartered Accountants  will perpetrate fraud, or those Chartered bankers (Erastus and co ) will bring about the changes you talk about. Essence of  Governance is  to attain the highest level of transparency, accountability and integrity. All these  I believe will be in that "University of Good Governance"  Now the outcome: the Human Resources to implement that knowledge acquired. How do you think they will govern like a professional, they do attend seminars,workshops  , they have blueprints,"white prints" , so many proposals. But this is a Charly boy show. (anything can happen here Bluetooth) I believe Nigeria is probably one of the easiest countries to govern on earth,reason being that Nigerians have this can do spirit that is quite rare in several other countries and they are very intelligent, highly innovative, hard working people.What is needed is a leadership with direction,that's what we lack,I am not a democratic romanticist , but what I do know is that it is a lot harder today to develop any country than it was say 50 years ago,and the more we wait,the harder it becomes.

dayokanu:

^^ You still havent told me how any human being can be worse than Prof Iwu and Aborishade

dayokanu:

Which of Barack Obama, Awolowo, AKintola, Azikwe, Bill Clinton, George Bush or Reagan is a career Politician.

Most of them were Lawyers, Businessmen, Engineers, Journalists

From what I've seen so far,governance is not a selfess service.it has become a paid occupation and geniocracy must be applied to have the best men in politics.that iwu screwed up as a professor does not mean that a bus driver would have performed better even when such an illiterate may not even know how to read or write.take a look at the Nass and you will discover that the educated ones have contributed more while some are just like normal crowds in the chamber.i hope you know the calibre of such people = the ''let's consider him even when he has nothing to offer group''

Maple:

The late Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa a.k.a The Golden Voice of Africa speaking in London after Nigeria declares its independence.

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~Bluetooth:

I'm not concerned about superior arguement but what I'm trying to state is that we need more than a nuisance to be our public officers.

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As you said about career,Career is an occupation which a person undertake for a long period of his  lifetime.so if a person is going  into full time politics and is going to take a large years of his lifetime,it automatically becomes a career and such person should be prepared in whatever capacity to be successful in such career[/b]If only you can agree with me on  what career is and you can also agree that politics is a career,then i will agree that all politicians are supposed to be graduates of political science or other political related courses.The problem with Nigeria is that a petroleum engineer ends up working in a bank and we think it's right whereas,it's very wrong.Why do we have political science as a course in the university if it's not to train students the art of politics and possibly make  a career out of it, I have a friend who has a [b]degree in local government administration and i was wondering how someone could have studied such until he sat me down and i learnt a lot from him even up to the art of manipulating and commiting fraud without traces.
[/qu]what is your definition of a very long time? what i could summarize from your write up is that political office holder should be graduate of political science else they will not perform (what a statement!!!). are you telling us that Abraham Lincoln,Alexander the great and several others were political science graduate was is not from this people experience that political science came as a course?[quote author=dayokanu link=topic=366462.msg6868478#msg6868478 date=1286133462]
Which of Barack Obama, Awolowo, AKintola, Azikwe, Bill Clinton, George Bush or Reagan is a career Politician.

Most of them were Lawyers, Businessmen, Engineers, Journalists

~Bluetooth:

I can speak conviniently on Awolowo hear.He was educated as lawyer and a trade union leader and has a high spirit in nationalist movement in Nigeria.

[/quote]you will agree with me that as an academician,he still had genuine inspiration that drove him into politics despite the fact that he already has a leadership experience as a union leader.

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beejaay:

and not a political scientist as you suggestedAre you saying that Wasiu Ayinde is not being drive by genuine inspiration and who told you that Wasiu didnt have leadership xperience, mind you he has successfully lead his group for more than two decade, if not that good the group would have splitted up. im not a fan of wasiu neither am i to any of the musicians but its high time nigerians look inward rather than placing so much on certification when it comes to good governance. trust me he has more to lose if he goes there and fumbles. his families are on ground not like bankole or bukola saraki people will play B Ball on them.

bluetooth[b] i want to contest for senatorial seat of my constituency, my qyualifications are leaving certificate,SSCE,BSC,MSC,PHD,PROF.,NTA,AIT,CHANNELS etc.[/b] pls support me and be my campaign manager. you make me laugh in swahili

tkb417:

@Bluetooth
I don't understand what ure saying. Wyclef jean wanted to be President- I don't know the school he went to, arnold Governed California- don't know d school he went to; George Opon Weah was a footballer and he wanted to be the President of Liberia. When did formal education become a pre-requisite to seeking elective posts anywhere in the world? Politics is all about delivering humane projects to your constituency. Are u saying[s] an illiterate do know know his constituency needs light or good roads?
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Ol boi drop it; the man just like the professors can seek for elective posts in the country and in any other country.