On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is. The most alarming part is the area of prosperity, people prefer to hear about prosperity than about salvation and heaven and hell. Some people i have asked insist that they are discerning the gospel as stipulated in the bible. Is this therefore discerning the gospel or selecting the gospel? Happy ressurection.

B4 i read wetin Op talk, lemme celebrate my FFTC on nairaland. Dis wk na #SureWeek. Happy Easter evry1.

If u dnt read nd ask God for understanding,u r likely to do same.

Try every spirit ......

You have to test a spirit by searching the Bible and see if what is written correlate with the message you are being told. Even Apostle Paul said if him or any of the Apostles or angels come to preach another doctrine that they should be cast away.

first off the church dont help matters


2ndly with the human evolution most people are accepting wrong things in the name of "humanity" for instance gayism is already creeping into the church n its only a matter of time b4 it becomes a norm



but see the thing is church has been so overrated n hyped by yahooboiz pastors to be that "building" where u go every sunday or werkday

that the Christian has forgotten his/her body is the temple of the most high(the church)



particularly in africa

I think generally we have been programmed as MINIONS

so the constant urge to be controlled or lead has eaten so deep that the "men of god" have become god of men



most people in church as we speak are there for one of 3 Reasons


1.its a status quo (its a tradition)

2..dem go say (fear of being judged)


3.. material needs either looking for prosperity or financial help or going to see that fine babe you only see on sunday


so yes my OP I think selective gospel has become the norm

Because must people rather than preaching d Gospel of Jesus which love, they will start condemning u especially wen dey meet u drinking. Everyone carry ur cross oh.

Search the Scriptures to get rooted in the word of God n forget Discerning or selective spirit.. Which one you get if i ask??

i dont even understand the grammar

Danpersie31:
On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is. The most alarming part is the area of prosperity, people prefer to hear about prosperity than about salvation and heaven and hell. Some people i have asked insist that they are discerning the gospel as stipulated in the bible. Is this therefore discerning the gospel or selecting the gospel? Happy ressurection.

why is drinking and not getting drunk a sin? please explain base on three verses from the Bible

I wanna know too.. So I'm ffg

Danpersie31:
On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is. The most alarming part is the area of prosperity, people prefer to hear about prosperity than about salvation and heaven and hell. Some people i have asked insist that they are discerning the gospel as stipulated in the bible. Is this therefore discerning the gospel or selecting the gospel? Happy ressurection.

Reasoning

how we want to worship is different from how God wants to be worshiped.

[quote author=Danpersie31 post=55607409]On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is.
Can you please tell me where it is written in the Bible that drinking alcohol is a sin. Remember that God created everything and it was good, drinking in itself is not a sin but getting drunk is, remember also that eating food is not a sin but if you over feed yourself then you a guilty of the sin of gluttony.

Obviously they are being selective and not discerning.

The Bible says in John 16:13 'However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come.'

My brother if you are truly a born again and the Holy Spirit has borne witness with your spirit that you are now a child of God belive me your mind will open, that's why apostle Paul prayed in Ephesians 1:18-19(a) I ask that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe.

Now this will be the result- you will listen to men preach and know instantly if this man speaks the truth or deceives the people, you will be wiser than your teachers not only because you read but because you are spirit taught.
When I gave my life to Christ Jesus I stood with men who called themselves pastors and we discussed and I was able to flaw a lot of their arguments and they were surprised and I hadn't even been born again up to 6 months. This is what the Holy Spirit can do in a man, and also remember to study to prove yourself approved . Use the various means of grace made available to you, Bible, Hymn books, Spiritual books by true men of God etc. The truth is majority of what you hear today from so called 'men of God are lies'.
Remember this words today 'seek out your salvation with fear and trembling' not with ease and rest and dry eyes with a lackadaisical attitude. It won't come. Shalom

Those are two different thing entirely bro. Disernment of spirit is the impresion of the Holy Spirit on a man concerning pressing issues...it can also pass as the will of God.
Most of those cases you sighted above have been clearly spelled out in the bible either dieectly or indirectly and we dont need to wait for the Holy spirit to confirm if the word of God is true or not. Anybody who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will definitely know when he/she is wrong or not but the problem is we often grieve the Holy spirit by insisting on doing what our flesh demands.

By saying that taking alcohol (and not specifically getting drunk) is sin, you should examine yourself first. There is no point misinterpreting the Bible so as to appear holy to those who also misinterpret the Bible like you.

Drunkenness is sin, NOT drinking alcohol.

Danpersie31:
On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is. The most alarming part is the area of prosperity, people prefer to hear about prosperity than about salvation and heaven and hell. Some people i have asked insist that they are discerning the gospel as stipulated in the bible. Is this therefore discerning the gospel or selecting the gospel? Happy ressurection.

Can you please tell me where it is written in the Bible that drinking alcohol is a sin. Remember that God created everything and it was good, drinking in itself is not a sin but getting drunk is, remember also that eating food is not a sin but if you over feed yourself then you are guilty of the sin of gluttony.

Danpersie31:
On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is. The most alarming part is the area of prosperity, people prefer to hear about prosperity than about salvation and heaven and hell. Some people i have asked insist that they are discerning the gospel as stipulated in the bible. Is this therefore discerning the gospel or selecting the gospel? Happy ressurection.

Am afraid to say here that the gospel is not about all these. It is simply good news about the Kingdom of our God and of Christ. When a person is now born of God you are then expected to teach the new convert the law of the Spirit of Life that obtains in the Kingdom. This is a much higher law than 'thou shall not, thou shall not... '.

Hmmmm.....differentiate between discerning spirit and selective gospel? Can somebody explain?

walls01:


why is drinking and not getting drunk a sin? please explain base on three verses from the Bible

eop me ask o

Alexk2:
Those are two different thing entirely bro. Disernment of spirit is the impresion of the Holy Spirit on a man concerning pressing issues...it can also pass as the will of God.
Most of those cases you sighted above have been clearly spelled out in the bible either dieectly or indirectly and we dont need to wait for the Holy spirit to confirm if the word of God is true or not. Anybody who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will definitely know when he/she is wrong or not but the problem is we often grieve the Holy spirit by insisting on doing what our flesh demands.

God bless you front and back!

Danpersie31:
On this wonderful eas ter sunday, it keeps pondering in my heart why people select the kind of gospel (message) they want to hear . I mean some people don't want to hear that drinking alcohol is a sin, but tend to compensate by saying drinking is not bad but getting drunk is. The most alarming part is the area of prosperity, people prefer to hear about prosperity than about salvation and heaven and hell. Some people i have asked insist that they are discerning the gospel as stipulated in the bible. Is this therefore discerning the gospel or selecting the gospel? Happy ressurection.

First off, the Bible did NOT say we should discern scripture, we are to read understand Scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit.
What we are to discern is the Spirit behind every form of doctrine, teaching or prophecy (1 John 4:1. What a 'pastor' says at times may be theologically accurate, or a prophecy that is also accurate, but the Spirit that influenced such a teaching or prophecy may be wrong (John 8:44, Acts 16).
This is why we were asked to discern spirits to know which prophecies, 'men of God', teachings and doctrines are really of God.

Selective Gospel on the other hand is choosing to willingly neglect what is found in the Bible, not what is said by some Pastor.

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ibolomo:

Please let us not bring up this long and unending topic of alcohol. maybe you should create thread on it and tag me.
If you are truly a Christian, you will know from several inferences that drinking alcohol is not right.

Several inferences? Isn't that why this thread was created, because of people like you?

Why not simply put your points forward with valid scriptures?

Honestly, the OP clearly needs to examine himself first before bothering about others. A good start will be Romans 14 - I implore he drops all his 'inferences' and ask the Holy Spirit to teach him. You can join the OP too if you are willing to be taught.

The fundamental issue in Christendom is knowing exactly what sin is.

When I see categorical sentences like taking alcohol is Sin, I just know that someone who has a limited understanding of the Word is around, and I don't bother arguing.

It takes grace for a religious person to leave the law.

donmarshia:
The fundamental issue in Christendom is knowing exactly what sin is.

When I see categorical sentences like taking alcohol is Sin, I just know that someone who has a limited understanding of the Word is around, and I don't bother arguing.

It takes grace for a religious person to leave the law.

Can explain vividly what you mean by "categorical sentences like 'alcohol is a sin' before we discuss on this issue?

Follow the scripture.

To a large extent, behavior is cultural.

A lot of things we do these days were regarded as sacrilege back in the days.

If you look at the history of modern medicine, physicians were barbaric and not acceptable to the community back in the days (they practiced with dead bodies. Made contact with blood and all those types of things)

Drinking alcohol is regarded as a sin by some people but it is a cultural norm with some people. Jesus turned water into wine for "christ sake"

African/Nigerian christianity is infused with our ritualistic cultural practices and to make things worse, we are so judgmental of things that are not "ours" and we therefore contradict the whole essence of Jesus' message of acceptance.

Op, can you please write the scripture that explicitly says drinking alcohol is a sin. Please do. I had that mindset before until I failed to see a backing in the scripture.

ibolomo:

Please let us not bring up this long and unending topic of alcohol. maybe you should create thread on it and tag me.
If you are truly a Christian, you will know from several inferences that drinking alcohol is not right.

so are you telling me that jesus turning water into wine is a sin because i am sure the wine in the scripture is alcoholic if not it will be called grape juice, not wine, my dear wisdom is profitable to direct. John 2:1-10,1 tim 5:23,ps 104:15, eph 5:18. If you want more i got more. Bottoms up

Processor01:


Several inferences? Isn't that why this thread was created, because of people like you?

Why not simply put your points forward with valid scriptures?

Honestly, the OP clearly needs to examine himself first before bothering about others. A good start will be Romans 14 - I implore he drops all his 'inferences' and ask the Holy Spirit to teach him. You can join the OP too if you are willing to be taught.

What I mean by inferences in my earlier post was not rote learning of the scripture, but proper study of historical, biblical and spiritual contexts on the topic of alcohol.
Inference as I used meant that there were several places in scripture talking about the topic of alcohol.
I do not believe in study of the Bible outside the Holy Spirit, and I am already under tutelage of the Spirit in my study of the Bible.
What I meant is that many people read the Bible with modern cultural perspectives, but to completely understand the contexts of scripture (with the help of the Holy Spirit), one has to 'go back in time' to the languages and traditions of the Israelites.
And by the way, starting to blast scriptures on such a controversial topic as alcohol intake would derail the thread, hence my asking him to create a special thread where his concerns on alcohol will be dealt with