Ubenedictus:

It is "the called out ONES" not one! that should clearly tell u the church is an group not an individual.

italo:


God has given his Church the authority to teach his truth (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit) to men.

Trust the Catholic Church. It has the fullness of God's revealed truths.

It is because some Christians believed they can know God's teaching more than the Church, by interpreting the Bible privately, that they now have millions of 'denominations' teaching contradictory doctrines, all claiming to be from One Holy Spirit.

They forget that Jesus never gave us the Bible. He gave us The Church - The Catholic Church. He never gave us denominations. It was the Catholic Church that gave us the Bible, almost 400 years after Christ.

analice107:

Every believer who has the Holy Spirit indwelling him/her has the Keys of the Kingdom, not Peter.

Do you believe that Peter was Satan who The Master rebuked?

Ubenedictus:
NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. The greek word used the is the 2nd person SINGULAR
www.biblehub.com/grammar/ppro-d2s.htm
it literally refers to only one person.

So i ask again who was given the keys in that passage by Jesus?

satan means adversary, at d time peter wanted to prevent d master from his job hence he was rebuked as adversary.

Ubenedictus:
NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. The greek word used the is the 2nd person SINGULAR
www.biblehub.com/grammar/ppro-d2s.htm
it literally refers to only one person.

So i ask again who was given the keys in that passage by Jesus?

satan means adversary, at d time peter wanted to prevent d master from his job hence he was rebuked as adversary.

analice107:


You are now talking about disputes, is the OP about settling disputes?

How do you know the truth about Scriptures? Should you rather ask men or the author of the Scriptures?

I taka the Holy Spirit sir.

analice107:

So, Peter the Church, the custodian of the Keys if heaven was also an adversary?

analice107:

The Keys of the Kingdom are given to every believer who has a revelation of who and what Christ is.
Yeah, satan is adversary but Jesus called Peter by name and referred to him as satan, was Peter satan?

analice107:

Dearest Italo.
I can see that only Catholics holds strongly to Peter being the Church referred to by Jesus in Matt 16:18, that is because of their Pope.

analice107:

Now this is what The Master meant there. Peter had a revelation of what and who Christ is, and The Master said, upon 'That' revelation He 'The Master shall build his Church and no gate of hell shall prevail against that revelation.

Continue na...

...And in verse 19, Jesus said 'I will give that revelation the keys of the kingdom abi?

Nonsense.

If you believe Peter was the Church, (which is still okay, because Peter was an individual light carrier), you must of necessity believe that Peter is satan.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Matthew:16:23


The Master turned to Peter and said, Get thee behind me satan. Peter became Satan now, now now?

Was Peter who just got conferred with the Title of the Pope according to you, all of a sudden became Satan?

Hmmmm, The Master wasn't referring to Peter personally in both verses.

If only you'd understand how the Master responds to issues...

analice107:

See what i said about taking Scriptures out of context?

What was the issue at hand here? Circumcision.

Shd the Gentiles be circumcised before they are known and received as believers? This was a big issue, although Paul had the Holy Spirit's conviction, but becos he was particularly taking Timothy a Greek with him to Jerusalem, he needed to present the matter to others.
God cab accept you yet men can reject you.

Paul didn't leave taking matters to God and took them to Men. God hates it.

italo:


It was a simple question:

Is that what the early Christians did in Acts 15? Didnt they rather go to the heirarchy of the Church for clarification?

analice107:

Shd the Church hierarchy replace God? Men and their philosophies, Men and their Polarizing shd take preeminence in spiritual matters when the Author of the Gospel is available?


Well, Christians take matters to God, those who follow the traditions of men, take their matters to men.

Ubenedictus:
Yes peter who was given d custody of the keys of heaven also denied Jesus 3 time at a time and acted as an adversary at another time.

God doesnt chose d perfect, he perfects the chosen.

analice107:

So, Peter the Church, the custodian of the Keys if heaven was also an adversary?

felixomor:


Have u heard of the bereans Christians?

italo:


Yes.

Have you heard of the Council in Jerusalem?

Someone said i should cross-reference their statements with the Bible? That was also written by ‘men of God’. How do i know when they are not making mistakes? Since we know a couple of them actually did make mistakes?

larisoft:
How do we know what God is saying? Whom do we trust?


Most pastors i’ve had dealings with were very selfless, humble, and did their best to be good examples...but then; i also saw the a thing or two that showed me they are just humans. If they are humans, get it right sometimes and do make mistakes sometimes; how do i know they are not making mistakes when they say “God told me”?

Someone said i should cross-reference their statements with the Bible? That was also written by ‘men of God’. How do i know when they are not making mistakes? Since we know a couple of them actually did make mistakes?

In these circumstances, it seems to me that its not just a question of believing in God; but there’s also a high probability one could follow God’s instructions sincerely and religiously and still end up in hell.

Ubenedictus:
You just want to dig a pit for urself wit this arguement over sematic. A ritual is a ritual whether u like the terminology or not. There is an old saying, if it looks like a duck, walks like one and quack like a duck... Then it is a duck. You cant say i don't like d work duck so i'll call it a bird when u clearly know d specie is a duck.

It sounds like that d goofy semantics i hear sometime -christianity is not a religion it is a way of life - i say balony.

italo:


I think its safe to assume you're not normal.

Where did anyone say Peter was the Church.

Is it that when you're debunked, rather than keep quiet, you start to argue against your own silly made-up opinions?

italo:


So Paul was not a Christian, since he take the matter to Church leaders?

italo:


Gal 2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up in response to a revelation. Then I laid before them (though only in a private meeting with the acknowledged leaders) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure that I was not running, or had not run, in vain.

Paul gave his reason in bold. You manufactured your own reason on the altar of lies.

italo:


When they have been debunked, they start to play dumb. Where did I or any Catholic ever say Peter is the Church?


You're just saying nonsense. I asked you: are you the pillar and foundation of the truth in 1Tim3:15?

urheme:



"Catholic church gave us the Bible" other churches have produce Books for divine purposes too.....let me ponder for a while...

Is the Bible now a church manual or constitution

MZLady39:



Good for you brother!! !!
You guys never fail to amaze me!!
With all due respect, you guys are insane!!!
I've never met such "insane" & "weird" Christian guys in my life.
Don't worry....it's not just you two that are creepy.
Just won't let a discussion die...& must win an argument.
It's got to be you guys' way or no way.
Since it'll make you guys feel better...here I go.
"You masters are correct!" "You win!" LOL!
Well let me stay in the ditch...& bury me
Blessings to you guys....

felixomor:


Please can u show is the scripture where keys were given to specifically only Peter?
Please be specific.
I dont think I have seen such scripture

analice107:

Are these people even sane? Why do they keep rehearsing 'The Catholic Church gave us the Bible?'. Chinua Achibe is dead, If he wrote a book which he didn't publish before he died, and i pick it up and publish, will i become the author of that book?

What nonsense is this sef? The catholic Church compiled the Bible, COMPILED, that's what she did, compiled different scrolls and made it into one book, how does that imply that she wrote the Bible?

Weren't the early Christians using the Bible before the Catholic Church was formed in 4 Century AD?

Was Paul a Catholic? I don tire for these people abeg.

analice107:

Are these people even sane? Why do they keep rehearsing 'The Catholic Church gave us the Bible?'. Chinua Achibe is dead, If he wrote a book which he didn't publish before he died, and i pick it up and publish, will i become the author of that book?

What nonsense is this sef? The catholic Church compiled the Bible, COMPILED, that's what she did, compiled different scrolls and made it into one book, how does that imply that she wrote the Bible?

Weren't the early Christians using the Bible before the Catholic Church was formed in 4 Century AD?

Was Paul a Catholic? I don tire for these people abeg.

Ubenedictus:

Hey, nobody is trying to get you. Calm down.
I left the ritual topic in the ritual thread and i have left it there...i do not hunt people with their mistake.

Italo brought d topic as a test of sincerity, i expected you to simple say, i made a mistake there but i'm sure about this...that means u are sincere and have no problem correcting urself if important points are raised but u decided to go wit d sematics arguement....
Insane and weird is just over d top.

Ubenedictus:
D church didnt just compile d bible, d church set d canon of scripture, the books u see in d bible are there because the church has put them there and didnt add others.

Ubenedictus:

Tempers are flaring, everybody please take a deep breath.

analice i am suprised u are asking these questions, i remember u were in d dralien thread and i specifically remember pastoraio did justice to this issue there. There we many books early catholics were using like shepherd of hermas etc but they are not found in d bible because we didnt add them.

larisoft:


How do i know its the holy spirit talking to me? So many people say the holys spirit is talking to them and they sound sincere....yet the holy spirit seems to be telling them different, contradictory things.