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How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 1:59pm On Jan 08, 2010
how do they do this? look to the bottom of the page for green holiday village, you will see a link called "Top Keyword" on that page, they have a list of keywords for the website that links to other pages that then link back to the home page using the selected keywords. How do they do that? is it a script or what? i want to put it on www.mountainviewcyprus.com please if you know how, let me know, a client wants same feature on his website. thanks
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by yawatide(f): 2:40pm On Jan 08, 2010
hmmm, I don't quite understand your question but taking a guess, could mod rewrite have something to do with it? 
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 2:47pm On Jan 08, 2010
i think mod rewrite has something to do with the solution.

ok, let me try re-explaining again. look at that page again: www.greenholidayvillage.com

scroll to the end of the page, you'd see "Top KeyWords" when you click on that link, it takes you to a page with some dummy content. when you scroll down, you'd see a list of keywords.

Top KeyWords

Northern Cyprus holidays
holidays in North Cyprus
hotels in North Cyprus
elcin kahvecioglu
five finger holiday village
Kyrenia holiday village

and so on and so forth. then when you click on a keyword, say the first one for example, it will take you to another page, with same dummy content, but with a different list of keywords but this time, these keywords link back to the home page of the website.

Top KeyWords

Northern Cyprus holidays
Northern Cyprus
North Cyprus holidays
Kyrenia
Cyprus hotels
hotels North Cyprus
North Cyprus villas

and so on and so forth. those people with SEO experience should have an idea what's really going on cos this is some SEO stuff. i'm just trying to figure out how they do it. this is the second website i've seen with this same kinda stuff. the other site is www.princeinn.com
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by yawatide(f): 2:56pm On Jan 08, 2010
poster:
Your latest post has been marked as spam and I have sent a message to Seun to unblock it.

To answer your question, as I now have a better understanding:

It is definitely mod rewrite. They are most likely reusing the same landing page with keywords specific to each link clicked on a prior page. If you ask me though, that dummy content is redundant and gives me the impression that I am not getting the content I need.

It is definitely a mod rewrite
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 2:59pm On Jan 08, 2010
ok, i think my real question (or what i'm really wondering) is, HOW OR FROM WHERE DO THEY GENERATE THOSE KEYWORDS
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by yawatide(f): 4:24pm On Jan 08, 2010
Probably from a database. The keywords are thus fetched via like: keyword=$keyword in the URL and on the backend, the mod rewrite takes the variable and converts it to an SEO-friendly string.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 5:42pm On Jan 08, 2010
its not from a database. there are tools that generate keywords. does anyone in here know anything about SEO

PS: i've kinda noticed that SEO is not common with many nigerian developers. someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by Afam(m): 6:14pm On Jan 08, 2010
A webpage with a list of keywords all pointing to the same website.

Why would a client want that? What is the essence of the feature if it is implemented on the same website SEO is supposed to help in finding or locating?

I know these questions don't answer your questions but I needed to ask them as I cannot understand the WHY.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by yawatide(f): 6:32pm On Jan 08, 2010
my friend,

SEO isn't rocket science.  Sure there are tools that can generate keywords but that doesn't mean one can't generate them themselves and insert same into a database.  Either way, same difference.  If this means I know nothing about SEO, so be it.  In the time you have used posting here, you could have come up with over 100 keywords without relying on a tool.

PS: i've kinda noticed that SEO is not common with many nigerian developers. someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

Let me be the first to correct you.  On what grounds do you make the statement?  Do you have facts and figures to back this claim up?  Have you google'd with certain keywords and not found Nigerian sites ranked at the top? wink

Again, based on one of my responses and that of Afam, the website's approach doesn't make sense, IMHO.  Even if you are held at gunpoint, if the solution sucks, tell the client so, even if it means losing your job or the client.  I do it all the time and guess what? I win every single time cool
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 9:09pm On Jan 08, 2010
ok, one at a time. as at middle of last year, i would definitely make the same comments or similar as the ones you guys are making here. yes, SEO is about getting found using keywords, but how to make that happen?? it goes far beyond what you guys know, as i later found out.

and yes, nigerian websites are being found, doesnt really mean the web masters did any SEO. go to google and search for "kheme" and my personal website comes up on 1st page, I NEVER DID ANY SEO ON THAT SITE! so, the fact that a site is on page one doesn't mean the webmaster did some SEO. but still, SEO is hard and serious work, especially when you have thousands of websites competing for page 1 for the same keywords as you.

the website i'm trying to optimize (www.mountainviewcyprus.com) used to be on page 1 on all major search engines as at 5yrs ago and the website then was crap and without any SEO. the owner realised he was getting market from the internet so decided to make a more attractive website and the new webmaster gave him a new site, but lost ranking and left 1st page. when i was given the job to work on its SEO, the site wasn't within the first 50results on major search engines.

working on the site since october/novermber last year, i've gotten it to page 2 or 3 on major search engines. the client wants page 1, so my work is not quite done. the current design has plenty comma, so i'm working on rearranging things, which is about my final stages in its SEO. anyways, those who work on SEO should know about website grader. when i picked this site up, it scored 47 on website grader. presently, it scores a fair 86 http://websitegrader.com/site/www.mountainviewcyprus.com. (my so-called new design scored 92 grin)

so what those websites are doing is using those links to 'reinforce' theose keywords, making them more relevant for the website. that's the link building aspect of SEO. external links as well as internal links play a big role in SEO, especially the anchor text of those links.

for example, your site sells gaming software. an anchor text saying "Home" or "click here" that points to your home page doesn't really help. but an anchor text saying "games software" or "games" or "gaming software" that points to your home page makes your site more relevant to the keyword in google's eyes. so you get the concept now?

so having those links on those keywords pointing back to the website reinforces those keywords for the website. maybe is black-hat SEO, i'm not sure yet, but sure it might not make much sense to humans, but to search engines, it makes a whole lotta sense.

and as for the issue of nigerian developers not knowing SEO, i'm not talking of surface knowledge of SEO like i had 6months ago. i'm talking of SEO professionals or experts. i've asked all my developer friends about SEO, they dont seem to know any strategies beyond what everyone else knows about SEO. i mentioned it to a developer here who started explaining links and php to me (clearly he had no idea what SEO was).

you guys have a clue, but not helping as such. and yawa, those keywords are not from a database. that's the typical output of a keyword generator. yes, i can manually list keywords, but that means i have to manually change them as search traffic changes for different keywords related to the website. that list changes (i repeat, it's not from a database) with queries, and new keywords are generated as search traffic changes on search engines.

after thinking much about it, i can write a php script to perform same function. just that most keyword generation tools out there require CAPTCHA to generate keywords, which is what amazes me about these websites, you figure?

am i making any sense here? or am i making my self less clear? grin
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 9:12pm On Jan 08, 2010
ok, one at a time. as at middle of last year, i would definitely make the same comments or similar as the ones you guys are making here. yes, SEO is about getting found using keywords, but how to make that happen?? it goes far beyond what you guys know, as i later found out.

and yes, nigerian websites are being found, doesnt really mean the web masters did any SEO. go to google and search for "kheme" and my personal website comes up on 1st page, I NEVER DID ANY SEO ON THAT SITE! so, the fact that a site is on page one doesn't mean the webmaster did some SEO. but still, SEO is hard and serious work, especially when you have thousands of websites competing for page 1 for the same keywords as you.

the website i'm trying to optimize (www.mountainviewcyprus.com) used to be on page 1 on all major search engines as at 5yrs ago and the website then was crap and without any SEO. the owner realised he was getting market from the internet so decided to make a more attractive website and the new webmaster gave him a new site, but lost ranking and left 1st page. when i was given the job to work on its SEO, the site wasn't within the first 50results on major search engines.

working on the site since october/novermber last year, i've gotten it to page 2 or 3 on major search engines. the client wants page 1, so my work is not quite done. the current design has plenty comma, so i'm working on rearranging things, which is about my final stages in its SEO. anyways, those who work on SEO should know about website grader. when i picked this site up, it scored 47 on website grader. presently, it scores a fair 86 http://websitegrader.com/site/www.mountainviewcyprus.com. (my so-called new design scored 92 grin)

so what those websites are doing is using those links to 'reinforce' theose keywords, making them more relevant for the website. that's the link building aspect of SEO. external links as well as internal links play a big role in SEO, especially the anchor text of those links.

for example, your site sells gaming software. an anchor text saying "Home" or "click here" that points to your home page doesn't really help. but an anchor text saying "games software" or "games" or "gaming software" that points to your home page makes your site more relevant to the keyword in google's eyes. so you get the concept now?

so having those links on those keywords pointing back to the website reinforces those keywords for the website. maybe is black-hat SEO, i'm not sure yet, but sure it might not make much sense to humans, but to search engines, it makes a whole lotta sense.

and as for the issue of nigerian developers not knowing SEO, i'm not talking of surface knowledge of SEO like i had 6months ago. i'm talking of SEO professionals or experts. i've asked all my developer friends about SEO, they dont seem to know any strategies beyond what everyone else knows about SEO. i mentioned it to a developer here who started explaining links and php to me (clearly he had no idea what SEO was).

you guys have a clue, but not helping as such. and yawa, those keywords are not from a database. that's the typical output of a keyword generator. yes, i can manually list keywords, but that means i have to manually change them as search traffic changes for different keywords related to the website. that list changes (i repeat, it's not from a database) with queries, and new keywords are generated as search traffic changes on search engines.

after thinking much about it, i can write a php script to perform same function. just that most keyword generation tools out there require CAPTCHA to generate keywords, which is what amazes me about these websites, you figure?

am i making any sense here? or am i making my self less clear? grin
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by Afam(m): 10:14pm On Jan 08, 2010
@kheme,

Your last post was probably flagged off as spam but from what you wrote it seems you have used your own newly acquired knowledge to judge Nigerian developers which is unfortunate in my opinion.

As far back as 2004/2005 I knew more than enough of SEO to the extent that I don't even bother with it and many developers that have asked me about it have met the same response - it is not necessary because I am not in the business of modelling websites to satisfy google or yahoo but to satisfy the clients or intended users of the websites.

This might appear strange to you but when you learn more about it you may come to the same conclusion. All you need to do is learn how web crawlers work and how content is picked up and used by them.

Someone might know how to swallow pounded yam and still decide not to do so, it doesn't mean he doesn't know how to swallow it. Chew on this.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by yawatide(f): 10:16pm On Jan 08, 2010
By the way, you can't say you didn't do any SEO because the mere fact that your site has content means that it has something that search engines like.  Besides, what are the odds there are many "kheme" out there.  Case in point:

I once had a dictionary site for my language.  Tons of pages.  One day, some guy calls me wanting to partner.  I felt he was going too fast so i balked.  The guy bought a domain that was my descriptive than mine (for example: mine was myyoruba.com whereas his was yorubadictionary.com) and guess what? with NO content whatsoever, his ranked higher than my site for at least a year.

Of course, SEO is a science and has to be studied fully to get its full effect.   Having said that, if you want that level, get ready to shell out thousands of dollars because it doesn't come cheap.  In the meantime, do what your time and money and afford and hope for the best.  Personally, any site I put up gets indexed (for random keywords) within 3 weeks of launch.  Why? I register them on google site maps and google I set up google analytics on each one.  IMHO, by registering with these google products, I am hoping that google sees those sites and indexes them much quicker than if it were done purely organically.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 10:30pm On Jan 08, 2010
dont get me wrong oh, i'm not judging nigerian developers. all i'm saying is that i haven't met any nigerian developer with enough knowledge on SEO. try and visit www.webceo.com and learn a little about SEO or do some personal SEO research in your spare time, maybe that would enlighten you about what SEO is altogether.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 10:30pm On Jan 08, 2010
and why are my replies being marked at spam? angry
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 10:39pm On Jan 08, 2010
PS: i just did a search on "seo" and "search engine optimization" on nairaland.com and i couldn't get much on the topic. but still, there are a few people have know SEO here and i've tried directing some to this thread.

thanks all the same, guys, for your input so far. i need more comments and ideas oh! lol smiley
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by Afam(m): 3:47am On Jan 09, 2010
kheme:

dont get me wrong oh, i'm not judging nigerian developers. all i'm saying is that i haven't met any nigerian developer with enough knowledge on SEO. try and visit www.webceo.com and learn a little about SEO or do some personal SEO research in your spare time, maybe that would enlighten you about what SEO is altogether.

Seems you missed the point in my last email. I know a lot about SEO its just that I am not buying what it is selling based on what I know so asking me to learn a little about it just because you got into it now doesn't make sense to me.

The same way I rejected every single suggestion to buy stocks in Nigeria while a lot of people swore and claimed it was the best thing in the world is the same way I am telling you that I know more than enough in that area not to buy into what it is selling.

About your post that was flagged, I guess the filter thought it was spam due to the length, it has happened to me before. Trying breaking the post into smaller chunks.
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 10:36am On Jan 09, 2010
ok, thanks for the tip, shorter text,  got it.

to buy stocks in Nigeria while a lot of people swore and claimed it was the best thing in the world

LMBAO lol. best thing in the world?!?! 
Re: How To Get A List Of Top Keywords For A Website by kheme(m): 5:47pm On Jan 16, 2010
the site i'm working on is www.mountainviewcyprus.com. i've figured out what i need to know. when i effect the changes, i'd let you guys know. thanks for all your inputs.

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