lonikit:


I'm not sure if u actually read wht u quoted above. was it God that instructed him or Judah his father. pls read the bible bfr u make ur point. the instruction came from Judah sir. any other one.... waiting....

Is it Judah that killed Onan for not marrying Tamar or it is Yahweh? So tell me whether yahweh didn't support the matchmaking and I will ask you why he had to kill Onan when he isn't in support of it.

OtemAtum:


Is it Judah that killed Onan for not marrying Tamar or it is Yahweh? So tell me whether yahweh didn't support the matchmaking and I will ask you why he had to kill Onan when he isn't in support of it.

Genesis 38:8-10 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

that is the portion u are talking abt. pls read and carefully bring out the meaning u can deduce.
he was not killed for issue of marriage but killed for spilling the semen on ground. its just like committing abortion on the part of women.
matchmaking has totally notin to do with this portion. it was their tradition dat time that wen a brother died, his brother will inherit the wife. as a matter of fact, it was practiced it the traditional societies of Nigeria.

lonikit:


Genesis 38:8-10 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

that is the portion u are talking abt. pls read and carefully bring out the meaning u can deduce.
he was not killed for issue of marriage but killed for spilling the semen on ground. its just like committing abortion on the part of women.
matchmaking has totally notin to do with this portion. it was their tradition dat time that wen a brother died, his brother will inherit the wife. as a matter of fact, it was practiced it the traditional societies of Nigeria.

It's still matchmaking, cultural matchmaking, or how do you term such a thing? BTW, are you trying to tell me that the "withdrawal method" of birth control/family planning is equivalent to commiting abortion in the sight of your god Yahweh?

OtemAtum:
It's still matchmaking, cultural matchmaking, or how do you term such a thing? BTW, are you trying to tell me that the "withdrawal method" of birth control/family planning is equivalent to commiting abortion in the sight of your god Yahweh?

I didn't say controlling birth is a sin. I tink God judged the motive behind Oman's action.

Very interesting topic...
The fact is that God doesn't dictate the person to marry for someone. Because there is no ONE SPECIFIC PERSON meant for anybody. You can marry any Christian you wish to marry. However, there are certain people that God can warn us not to marry, even though they are Christians, since God sees tomorrow from today. No matter who you marry, marriage remains a game of chance.

lonikit:


I didn't say controlling birth is a sin. I tink God judged the motive behind Oman's action.

Now between Onan and Yahweh who appears more righteous? Onan refused to commit incest, yahweh wants him to do in_cest by force. Who was more righteous between the two of them?

OtemAtum:
Now between Onan and Yahweh who appears more righteous? Onan refused to commit incest, yahweh wants him to do in_cest by force. Who was more righteous between the two of them?

reading tru ur signature, u sound like an atheist. mind you the issue of marrying someone's sibling has bn in existence since the beginning. if u check tru ur bible, u will find out that most of them marry from their family (extended though).

the issue of inheriting the deceased wife was the law established by moses. the question came up in new testament and Jesus told them there is no marriage in heaven. onan was killed for the motive behind his action and mind u, It wasn't God that instructed him to marry tarmar but his father

lonikit:
marriage has become a very big issue in the christiandom. different pastors have preached, written books, organized seminars on marriage. most have concluded that GOd actually match make judging by the case of Adam and eve. but somebody argued that GOd stops matchmaking since Adam blamed God that he was deceived by eve whom God gave him. also in the preaching of Paul on marriage which many pastors will always avoid during marriage messages, Paul sees love as the major perequisite. also in psalms, he who findeth... etc. my one million questions are:
1. if God is a matchmaker, what is the essence of genotype test which is mandatory in most Pentecostal churches, is civilization more than God.
2. why is it that dere is always an alternative if the partner breakup before the marriage
3. why is it that some persons will claim that they find it difficult to love the person they see through revelation.
4. is marriage compulsory??
, if yes, why is it that most people that God used in the bible like Elijah,john,Ezekiel,Isaiah,Elisha, Paul etc did not marry.
if no, then, in my opinion, God doesn't match make.

pls mod, help forward it so as to gather opinions.

God does match make if we give Him the permission to do so.

The general biblical injunction for believers is to make sure that you marry someone also in the Lord

1Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; ONLY IN THE LORD.

A christian is at liberty to marry another christian. That is the general rule.

But you must know that there are also carnal christians in the Lord, there are spiritual christians not compatible with your calling and destiny also in the Lord. Then even among the many christian suitors who are spiritual and may also be compatible with your calling, there would be one that the Lord would appoint and ask you to go for if you ask Him.

That was exactly what Abraham's servant did when he went to look for a wife for Isaac.

Abraham's instruction to him was to make sure he picks a wife from the City of Nahor, and not from among the Canaanite women.

Gen 24:4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac.

Gen 24:38 But thou shalt go unto my father's house, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son.

So if the servant had just gone to the City of Nahor and wooed any lady for his Master's son, he still would have been well within the boundaries of the instructions he was given. But he didn't want to leave it at that. He asked God to appoint for him, and God did.

Gen 24:12 And he said, O LORD God of my master Abraham, I pray thee, send me good speed this day, and shew kindness unto my master Abraham.

14 And let it come to pass, that the damsel to whom I shall say, Let down thy pitcher, I pray thee, that I may drink; and she shall say, Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also: let the same be she THAT THOU HAST APPOINTED FOR THY SERVANT ISAAC; and thereby shall I know that thou hast shewed kindness unto my master.

Gen 24:44 And she say to me, Both drink thou, and I will also draw for thy camels: let the same be THE WOMAN WHOM THE LORD HATH APPOINTED OUT FOR MY MASTER'S SON.

Abraham's servant asked God for she whom God would appoint for Isaac among all the ladies in the City of Nahor, and the Lord answered and appointed Rebecca.

So while the general instruction of the Bible is for a christian to marry someone in the Lord (someone from our Father's house), and you will not be breaking any law if you do just that; If you ask the Lord to appoint for you, and do the matchmaking Himself, He will surely answer and be happy to do so, as He did for Isaac.

And it would be worthy of note, that among the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and all the kings of Israel; Isaac, the only person God appointed and match-made a wife for, was the only one who did not practise polygamy or have a concubine or mistress. All the others had.

That should make a good point towards letting God appoint for you, even though you would not be breaking any law if you choose for yourself someone in the Lord.

So yes, God can match-make if you ask Him and give Him the permission to do so. And we should.

Shalom

lonikit:



you are seriously on point bro. Paul stated it clear that u can marry an unbeliever if u can live wit him/her but I ahv not heard it preached in any marriage conference. he equally say if a widow must remarry, let her marry whom she love only in the lord. so I'm yet to knw where the doctrine of "there is a person ordained as ur wife/husband" comes from.

I used to tell people that Jesus does not emphasis much on marriage hence none of his discipes got married. The only marriage Jesus is interested of is his own marriage on the last day. So you cant be talking of marriage when their war, or has you seen that happened before? you also cant be talking of marriage when the christians are in a serious pesecution. Therefore Jesus did not lay any enphasis on marriage but go yee into the world and preach the good news.

Edited. There is nothing like christian marriage. So the principle of marriage is from the old testament. Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and cleve to his wife... this was taken from the old testament. Now the botton line is you to find a woman whom you love and let both parents bless and comfirmed the union. Simple. The bible never stated that it must be your pastor that have the right to bless the couple. It is never in the bible. weather old or new. You can check it yourself. The only marriage that was done in the bible was a traditional marriage, even Jesus attended one.


I can also tell you that all this issue of God ordaining man for a woman is just a fallacy, why?

Alright. When Jacob wanted to marry he laboured for seven for the sake of racheal instead they gave him leah, he had to work for another seven years to make sure he have racheal. Now he has them both as wife and they both have children for him. Which is now the twelve tribe of isreal.

Now the question is which of these women were ordained for Jacob? Racheal or Leah or both of them? If it was racheal then leah is not his wife and if leah is not his wife than Jacob has comnited a sin by marrying a strange woman. Again why was God angry with Jacob for hating leah,
The bible says when God realises that Jacob loved racheal and hated leah he open the womb of leah and closed the womb of racheal. It is there in Jenesis . Lastly if the two of them were ordained for Jacob then it means that God support polygamy.

Solomon married plenty woman but when he was led astray to worship other gods that was when God now have issue with him. David sin was the killing of urriah because of his wife, He has every right to marry another woman and leave the poor man alone.

Modified. God is only concerned about about fornication and adultery. But any legal marriage is accepted by him.

Its not scriptural that God has destined a particular person for anyone, not at all ... Infact in a case where a couple got divorced on the basis of adultery or probably one of them died. The other is free to marry another person in the Lord. that surely dismiss the idea of a predestined special person .


Yet this doesn't mean you can't ask for God's guidance while choosing a mate , A person that seek God's guidance will be able to look for a person who loves God like they are and also have. other good qualities.

nice topic op

ayoku777:


God does match make if we give Him the permission to do so.

The general biblical injunction for believers is to make sure that you marry someone also in the Lord

1Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; ONLY IN THE LORD.

A christian is at liberty to marry another christian. That is the general rule.

But you must know that there are also carnal christians in the Lord, there are spiritual christians not compatible with your calling and destiny also in the Lord. Then even among the many christian suitors who are spiritual and may also be compatible with your calling, there would be one that the Lord would appoint and ask you to go for if you ask Him.

That was exactly what Abraham's servant did when he went to look for a wife for Isaac.

Abraham's instruction to him was to make sure he picks a wife from the City of Nahor, and not from among the Canaanite women.

Gen 24:4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac.

Gen 24:38 But thou shalt go unto my father's house, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son.

So if the servant had just gone to the City of Nahor and wooed any lady for his Master's son, he still would have been well within the boundaries of the instructions he was given. But he didn't want to leave it at that. He asked God to appoint for him, and God did.

Gen 24:12 And he said, O LORD God of my master Abraham, I pray thee, send me good speed this day, and shew kindness unto my master Abraham.

14 And let it come to pass, that the damsel to whom I shall say, Let down thy pitcher, I pray thee, that I may drink; and she shall say, Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also: let the same be she THAT THOU HAST APPOINTED FOR THY SERVANT ISAAC; and thereby shall I know that thou hast shewed kindness unto my master.

Gen 24:44 And she say to me, Both drink thou, and I will also draw for thy camels: let the same be THE WOMAN WHOM THE LORD HATH APPOINTED OUT FOR MY MASTER'S SON.

Abraham's servant asked God for she whom God would appoint for Isaac among all the ladies in the City of Nahor, and the Lord answered and appointed Rebecca.

So while the general instruction of the Bible is for a christian to marry someone in the Lord (someone from our Father's house), and you will not be breaking any law if you do just that; If you ask the Lord to appoint for you, and do the matchmaking Himself, He will surely answer and be happy to do so, as He did for Isaac.

And it would be worthy of note, that among the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and all the kings of Israel; Isaac, the only person God appointed and match-made a wife for, was the only one who did not practise polygamy or have a concubine or mistress. All the others had.

That should make a good point towards letting God appoint for you, even though you would not be breaking any law if you choose for yourself someone in the Lord.

So yes, God can match-make if you ask Him and give Him the permission to do so. And we should.

Shalom

let me start with the issue of Isaac. do u knw that Abraham had already had his own will regarding where to marry for his son?
do u knw in some cases God can support ur own will for u like in the case of Saul the king.

u said Isaac was the only one who had no concubine. do u knw Joseph married an Egyptian and never had concubine, his children even had their own inheritance. can u tell me the concubine of moses after he married from Africa.

do u knw that Rebecca had problem of bareness for good 20yrs. do u knw that this same Rebecca scattered her home. and she never lived to eat the fruit of her labour. with the above points, I think Rebecca was a permissive will.
and finally can u interprete this portion for me

1 Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

lonikit:



reading tru ur signature, u sound like an atheist.

I am not an atheist and I can't be one till death because of the extraordinary things that has happened to me and is still happening till today. I have experienced what has left me out of the option of no God.

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the issue of inheriting the deceased wife was the law established by moses.

who gave Moses that in_cest law? Is it not Yahweh? And for Onan to have refused to commit incest, he must have been thinking out of the box far far many years ago. I see Onan as a modern man in an ancient world. He knew thousands of years ahead before even Yahweh could think of it. He knew that in_cest would sooner or later be seen as something abnormal, but yahweh lack such foresight and went ahead to kill Onan. This is the reason why it is not good to condemn those who think out of the box, because they might actually be acting according to the ordinances of the future. I praise Onan for such great achievement of foresight.

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it wasn't God that instructed him to marry tarmar

of course God wouldn't stoop so low to say that a human being must marry another human being by force. It's only children of God like Allah, yahweh, Moloch etc that can do such a thing. God Almighty the father of Yahweh and other small gods don't impose his own personally philosophy on people. Only the gods his children did that and are still doing that through their various 'holy books'.

OtemAtum:
I am not an atheist and I can't be one till death because of the extraordinary things that has happened to me and is still happening till today. I have experienced what has left me out of the option of no God.

who gave Moses that in_cest law? Is it not Yahweh? And for Onan to have refused to commit incest, he must have been thinking out of the box far far many years ago. I see Onan as a modern man in an ancient world. He knew thousands of years ahead before even Yahweh could think of it. He knew that in_cest would sooner or later be seen as something abnormal, but yahweh lack such foresight and went ahead to kill Onan. This is the reason why it is not good to condemn those who think out of the box, because they might actually be acting according to the ordinances of the future. I praise Onan for such great achievement of foresight.
of course God wouldn't stoop so low to say that a human being must marry another human being by force. It's only children of God like Allah, yahweh, Moloch etc that can do such a thing. God Almighty the father of Yahweh and other small gods don't impose his own personally philosophy on people. Only the gods his children did that and are still doing that through their various 'holy books'.

ur choice of words toward God will prevent me to go further with u on this. no offence sir. u really sound like an atheist considering ur choice of words. try and read ur bible. wish u all the best.

lonikit:



let me start with the issue of Isaac. do u knw that Abraham had already had his own will regarding where to marry for his son?
do u knw in some cases God can support ur own will for u like in the case of Saul the king.

u said Isaac was the only one who had no concubine. do u knw Joseph married an Egyptian and never had concubine, his children even had their own inheritance. can u tell me the concubine of moses after he married from Africa.

do u knw that Rebecca had problem of bareness for good 20yrs. do u knw that this same Rebecca scattered her home. and she never lived to eat the fruit of her labour. with the above points, I think Rebecca was a permissive will.
and finally can u interprete this portion for me

1 Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

You asked a question that does God match-make, and I answered you that yes, He does, if we ask and give Him the permission to. And I showed you in the scriptures where His help in matchmaking was sought and he obliged.

So that is settled.

Then secondly I never said Isaac was the only one that didn't have a concubine or mistress in the Bible, I said among the patriarchs and kings of Israel.

But let's not digress, truth is even people that God match-makes can still have issues in marriage if they stop being Christlike. So being match-made by God doesn't still make your marriage storm-proof. So let's stick to the question that does God match-make, which is yes.

Then as for that scripture you quoted. Your interpretation is greatly flawed .

Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

This is NEVER a licence to marry an unbeliever. According to the scriptures a christian is not permitted to be joined to someone who is not in Christ.

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel (or unbeliever)?

According to the scriptures anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus is the Christ is an Antichrist.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Someone with the Spirit of Christ and someone with the spirit of the Antichrist should never be joined together in Holy matrimony. That is why the scriptures said a believer should only marry someone in the Lord.

1Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; ONLY IN THE LORD.

In the light of these many verses, the scenario of the scripture you quoted is only applicable if two people married as unbelievers and one of them later became born again and converted to Christianity, if the other partner is willing to still stay married to the convert without making serving God impossible for him or her, they should stay together. Who knows, the other partner too might later be converted.

Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

This is what this verse means. Not that a believer can open his eyes and decide to marry an unbeliever, someone with the spirit of the Antichrist.

Shalom

ayoku777:


You asked a question that does God match-make, and I answered you that yes, He does, if we ask and give Him the permission to. And I showed you in the scriptures where His help in matchmaking was sought and he obliged.

So that is settled.

Then secondly I never said Isaac was the only one that didn't have a concubine or mistress in the Bible, I said among the patriarchs and kings of Israel.

But let's not digress, truth is even people that God match-makes can still have issues in marriage if they stop being Christlike. So being match-made by God doesn't still make your marriage storm-proof. So let's stick to the question that does God match-make, which is yes.

Then as for that scripture you quoted. Your interpretation is greatly flawed .

Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

This is NEVER a licence to marry an unbeliever. According to the scriptures a christian is not permitted to be joined to someone who is not in Christ.

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel (or unbeliever)?

According to the scriptures anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus is the Christ is an Antichrist.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Someone with the Spirit of Christ and someone with the spirit of the Antichrist should never be joined together in Holy matrimony. That is why the scriptures said a believer should only marry someone in the Lord.

1Cor 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; ONLY IN THE LORD.

In the light of these many verses, the scenario of the scripture you quoted is only applicable if two people married as unbelievers and one of them later became born again and converted to Christianity, if the other partner is willing to still stay married to the convert without making serving God impossible for him or her, they should stay together. Who knows, the other partner too might later be converted.

Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

This is what this verse means. Not that a believer can open his eyes and decide to marry an unbeliever, someone with the spirit of the Antichrist.

Shalom

I tink the truth of the matter is that marriage is not seen the way we see it. jesus talked less regarding marriage, he said dere is no such in heaven wen he was asked. Paul emphasises the same tin wen he was preaching abt marriage in corin 7. according to him, its just to avoid fornication, he even urge christians to remain single. going through the bible, most of the oracles of God never married.
and it was never recorded that God match made any one. Joseph married in Egypt and no problem was recorded regarding his marriage, I think Jacob married for love, Bathsheba's son became the greatest among the children of david.
I want to beliv that there is no scriptural bases for this because if they exist, then, marriage shud be made compulsory.

tnx so much for ur contributions sir.

lonikit:



ur choice of words toward God will prevent me to go further with u on this. no offence sir. u really sound like an atheist considering ur choice of words. try and read ur bible. wish u all the best.

Lol, I experienced God Almighty the creator of the gods of all supposed holy book. The words in the bible are not the words of God but the words of Yahweh one of his children. Even the words of Atum the brother of Yahweh and the words of many other gods have been given to me and it is with me and cannot be stopped or made hidden to humanity. See the link below for more.

OtemAtum:
Lol, I experienced God Almighty the creator of the gods of all supposed holy book. The words in the bible are not the words of God but the words of Yahweh one of his children.

who is Yahweh and how many children does God has?

who/what is atum the brother of Yahweh then finally, who are u??

lonikit:


who is Yahweh and how many children does God has?

who/what is atum the brother of Yahweh then finally, who are u??

yahweh is one of the children of God Almighty. Everything about God Almighty is uncountable. The first beings he created are the ones I call his children. Atum is one of the gods of Africa, Egypt was the place where he was well known before he went away into space with many other good gods to do findings of the works of God Almighty his creator. I am Otem, a representative of truth on earth, sent to reveal the truth in all lost and hidden scrolls and to write the programming codes of truth that would turn the gullible brain codes of Africa into wise and reasonable ones.

OtemAtum:
yahweh is one of the children of God Almighty. Everything about God Almighty is uncountable. The first beings he created are the ones I call his children. Atum is one of the gods of Africa, Egypt was the place where he was well known before he went away into space with many other good gods to do findings of the works of God Almighty his creator. I am Otem, a representative of truth on earth, sent to reveal the truth in all lost and hidden scrolls and to write the programming codes of truth that would turn the gullible brain codes of Africa into wise and reasonable ones.

may God lead u ryt.

lonikit:


may God lead u ryt.

Ase!

OtemAtum:
Ase!

u are a traditionalist.

lonikit:


have u forgotn dat peter moved about wit Christ and after Christ throughout his life until death, yet he was married. hope u remember that Ezekiel, Isaiah, were not missionaries and still they were not married.

You also forgot that Peter left his wife and family to move around. In this modern day who doesn't that? Even when Jesus died was it recorded after the descending of the Holy Ghost that Peter went back to his family? Why do think he had to leave them instead of the task ahead Ezekiel and Isaiah were missionaries yet they didn't marry. In this century how missionaries aside rev fathers and sisters go about preaching without having children and wives?

Princewell2012:


Honestly you made a good observation, no doubt but to your own understanding what do you think that is responsible why this generation christians were not following the parts of those aforementioned ministers? 2 why do we choose the lesser part?
Now this will take us to the main issue here.
Alright since this first ministers/ christians does not believe or have interest in marriage, due to one or two reasons. So is there anything like Christian marriage? If yes, where do we gets the doctrine from?

Thank you.

There's nothing like christian marriage. It's the traditional marriage that's recognized based on the scripture.The Christian marriage is man made doctrine and should be removed. What they call Christian marriage is the traditional wedding of the white man. Trace the history and even the bible, you wouldn't see anyone wearing white gown, black suit, having best man and bride's mate.

lonikit:


u are a traditionalist.

No. Does saying it shall be so in someone's local language amount to being a traditionalist?

asuustrike2009:

God doesn't match make if you don't seek his opinion. He gives you the choice to choose be it good or evil. Marriage isn't compulsory at all it's a matter of choice even though the will of Yahweh is for man to have companion. The above ministers didn't marry because they had huge task that marrying wasn't an option as their wives will be neglected. In this era marriage is necessary because an average man has sexual feelings towards the opposite sex, that's why apostle Paul advocate marriage to avoid fornication. If you can withstand sexual orge leading to sex then you can decide not to marry.its not a sin if you don't marry but becomes sin when you commit fornication

Well said....