Junia:


No Christian will lose his or her faith in Christ.

1 John 5:4
For every child of God defeats this evil world, and we achieve this victory through our faith.


Check the scripture again.
It says "every child of God"

Even the one who became a child of God just this moment.

In other words you are saying no Christian can backslide, no?

plainbibletruth:


Since sin is "whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it" James 2:10 THEN even ONE SIN disqualifies anyonefrom claiming a sin-free life.

In other words, a person who fails to KEEP one single command of God is GUILTY of sin.

SIN is not just murder, adultery, lying, and obvious sins that people usually look at. SIN is both a nature and exists even in thought - "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matt. 5:28.

For example, how many Christians can HONESTLY CLAIM to obey Philippians 2: 3-4 "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others."

Now, if a Christian FAILS to obey Phil. 2: 3-4 will he be eventually saved?

Here is another devotional for you to prayerfully read and be blessed.

Daily Manna
SATURDAY, JULY 8, 2017

BLESSEDNESS ALL THROUGH

TEXT: MATTHEW 5:3-11

"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy" (Matthew 5:7).

A young man on National Service in his country was moved with compassion when a stranded boy and his younger sister begged long distance travellers for financial assistance at a motor park. Fares had gone up in response to fuel scarcity. The youngsters did not anticipate the hike and needed help to make up for the cost of their trip back home hundreds of kilometres away. The national service man bailed them out as they joined him in the cab.

Several hours later, close to midnight, the siblings found their benefactor wandering at a deserted garage in a violence-prone area of the town. All the cab operators had retired home, so, he could not depart for his station in another village a couple of kilometres away from the town. The brother and his sister took the helpless traveller to their home in the neighbourhood. This act shielded him from danger and the unfriendly weather.

Jesus was proved right: "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy." The man who showed the young siblings mercy obtained mercy. The Beatitudes of our Lord or the Sermon on the Mount are not a legal code. They teach us how we need to respond to the love of God in our relationship with fellow man. We need to show mercy to others as the Lord has been to us with regard to our sin. Conversely, the unmerciful would not court mercy.

The Lord also demands inward purity as a condition to see Him in heaven. There must be no guile or evil motives in our dealings with God and man. That way, we shall be counted partners with a pure God. We also must be peacemakers, if we have been saved by the Prince of peace Himself.

We must not be quarrelsome or have a spirit of contention that is constantly finding fault with others, thus provoking them. Those who exhibit these evil traits cannot be called the children of God.

Jesus points out in the Sermon on the Mount that His followers are not to be guided by unworkable and merely religious legalism, but by a divinely ordained response to the love of God. Our Creator should be our model as He says in Matthew 5:48. We must be perfect like our Father in Heaven.

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OLAADEGBU:

In other words you are saying no Christian can backslide, no?

You can backslide. But you won't lose your salvation.

Junia:


You can backslide. But you won't lose your salvation.

Let's consider some verses then:

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Romans 8:13).

Are you saying that it is not possible for a Christian to live after the flesh and die in sin?

Here are other conditions and warnings to believers:

"But Christ as a son over His own house, whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end" (Hebrews 3:6).

This verse seems to be saying that the believer that doesn't hold fast to the end will lose his/her salvation.

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

Is it not clear from these verses that a Christian can lose his faith through unbelief and the deceitfulness of sin and that we see the need to consciously be stedfast till the end for us to receive the final salvation?

OLAADEGBU:


Is it not clear from these verses that a Christian can lose his faith through unbelief and the deceitfulness of sin and that we see the need to consciously be stedfast till the end for us to receive the final salvation?

When a person believes in Jesus Christ does he receive only a "partial" or "initial" or "temporary" salvation awaiting this "final salvation" you're alluding to here?

plainbibletruth:


When a person believes in Jesus Christ does he receive only a "partial" or "initial" or "temporary" salvation awaiting this "final salvation" you're alluding to here?

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

If there is no chance of losing one's salvation why the trembling and fearing while working it out until it is completed? Listen to what our Lord and Saviour said when asked about the endtimes:

"And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end shall be saved" (Matthew 24:11-13).

He/she that endures till the end shall be saved. We need God's grace for salvation, we need grace to continue being saved and we need grace to endure to the end.

OLAADEGBU:


"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

If there is no chance of losing one's salvation why the trembling and fearing while working it out until it is completed? Listen to what our Lord and Saviour said when asked about the endtimes:

"And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end shall be saved" (Matthew 24:11-13).

He/she that endures till the end shall be saved. We need God's grace for salvation, we need grace to continue being saved and we need grace to endure to the end.

This is from gotquestions.org:
Question: "What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)?"

Answer: In Philippians 2:12-13, Paul writes, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his purpose.”

This text is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. What does it mean to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in the God who authors our salvation. The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.

The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.


endures to the end saved
Question: "What does it mean that he who endures to the end will be saved (Matthew 24:13)?"

Answer: In Matthew 24:13 Jesus says, “He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (KJV), or, as the NIV has it, “The one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This verse is part of Jesus’ Olivet Discourse, an explanation to His disciples about things to come.

Jesus told the Twelve that the temple would be destroyed (Matthew 24:2), and, in response, they asked Him, “When will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (verse 3). Their question had two parts and so required two answers. Jesus combined those answers into one long discourse about what was ahead before He returned. Some of those prophecies were fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The remainder has yet to happen.

This specific verse is best understood when read in context. Verses Matthew 24:9–14 says, “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

From God’s viewpoint outside our timeframe, the “end times” began with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2:16–21, Peter describes this event as “the last days.” From that perspective, it makes sense that Jesus combined events in AD 70 with those yet to come. They are all “the last days.” He then warns that, as persecution increases, many who considered themselves His followers will reveal their true spiritual condition when they turn away from the faith. This had already happened during His ministry (John 6:66) and would escalate until the end. True Christian faith would be tested by deception, false prophets, and the increase of wickedness. Not only will there be some who turn away, but Jesus foretold that “the love of most will grow cold.” The implication is that those who “stand firm to the end” will be the minority (see Matthew 7:14).

We can dissect this passage even further to glean relevant truths. Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm through persecution. Matthew 24:9 warns that Jesus’ followers would be “handed over to be persecuted and put to death.” From the time of the apostles until present day, millions of Christians have been persecuted and put to death. We are seeing an escalation of that in more recent days with global terrorism, but martyrdom has always been common in most areas of the world. Verse 9 goes on to state that Christians will “be hated by all nations because of me.” As Islam and atheism increase in nations that once held to Judeo-Christian values, we are seeing a greater fulfillment of this prophecy. Hatred can be expressed in many ways, one of which is the radical secularization of culture and governments that once honored time-tested morality and faith. When a culture actively strips from its history and public life any vestiges of God’s involvement in its success, that nation is displaying hatred toward Jesus.

Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm through ridicule and hatred. Matthew 24:10 says that when many turn away from the faith, they will “betray and hate each other.” With the proliferation of internet websites, blogs, and Facebook pages, we are seeing the polarization of opinions leading to angry diatribes and un-Christlike dialogue. Everyone has an opinion about everything, and opinion, it seems, has become a god worth defending through anger. Even among professing “Christians,” the comments and editorializing have taken a decidedly downward turn. Issues not worth dividing over have become hot-button topics that alienate brothers and sisters and, sadly, the unbelieving world. Issues that are worth dividing over have been swept under the rug in the name of “tolerance.” Anyone who does not bow to the god of tolerance becomes an object of ridicule and self-righteous hatred.

Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm through false teaching. Matthew 24:11 goes on to warn of “many false prophets” appearing and deceiving the masses. We tend to imagine a “false prophet” as a flamboyant type, easily spotted and easily rejected. However, if this were true, then many would not be deceived by them. Instead, the false prophets are men and women with outward displays of Christianity, charismatic charm, and a way with words. They weave their heresies with Scripture, just as Satan does (see Luke 4:1–10), so that those who do not know God’s Word thoroughly are taken in by their great-sounding teachings (2 Timothy 4:3–4). We are already seeing this take place with the explosion in recent years of hyper-grace teaching and the prosperity gospel. Millions are being deceived, with Bibles in their laps, because the words of the false prophets are ego-soothing, exciting, and more desirable than Scripture’s focus upon self-sacrifice and surrender.

Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm even in the midst of a rampantly sinful culture. Matthew 24:12 says that “because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.” This is a cause-and-effect statement that we are seeing played out before our eyes. As culture redefines reality according to its lusts and depravity, those clinging to scriptural definitions of sin are being quickly outnumbered. As wickedness becomes more popular and socially acceptable, people without a solid biblical worldview are being swept up by its grandiose promises. They are “rethinking” and “reevaluating” the Bible’s relevance in our modern world. The definitions of gender, sexuality, and morality are being challenged, even within some segments of the church, causing those unschooled in truth to collapse beneath the weight of these “new insights.” It is no wonder that the flicker of love that may have been ignited by the Holy Spirit is squelched in favor of a new love and a new god created in the image of the culture.

When Jesus says, “The one who endures to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:13, ESV), He is speaking of those who are truly born again, whose lives are transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit. True followers of Jesus Christ will withstand the onslaught of wickedness, recognize and reject false teaching, and cling fast to the truth of God’s Word. They will overcome this world and be granted reward in the world to come (Revelation 3:21). Those who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13; 4:30; 2 Corinthians 1:22) have His power working in them to enable them to stand firm (Romans 14:4; Jude 1:24–25).

plainbibletruth:


This is from gotquestions.org:
Question: "What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)?"

Answer: In Philippians 2:12-13, Paul writes, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his purpose.”

This text is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. What does it mean to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in the God who authors our salvation. The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.

The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.

What's the point of the epistle if knowing we cannot lose our salvation no matter the case?

plainbibletruth:

endures to the end saved
Question: "What does it mean that he who endures to the end will be saved (Matthew 24:13)?"

Answer: In Matthew 24:13 Jesus says, “He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (KJV), or, as the NIV has it, “The one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This verse is part of Jesus’ Olivet Discourse, an explanation to His disciples about things to come.

Jesus told the Twelve that the temple would be destroyed (Matthew 24:2), and, in response, they asked Him, “When will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (verse 3). Their question had two parts and so required two answers. Jesus combined those answers into one long discourse about what was ahead before He returned. Some of those prophecies were fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The remainder has yet to happen.

This specific verse is best understood when read in context. Verses Matthew 24:9–14 says, “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

From God’s viewpoint outside our timeframe, the “end times” began with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2:16–21, Peter describes this event as “the last days.” From that perspective, it makes sense that Jesus combined events in AD 70 with those yet to come. They are all “the last days.” He then warns that, as persecution increases, many who considered themselves His followers will reveal their true spiritual condition when they turn away from the faith. This had already happened during His ministry (John 6:66) and would escalate until the end. True Christian faith would be tested by deception, false prophets, and the increase of wickedness. Not only will there be some who turn away, but Jesus foretold that “the love of most will grow cold.” The implication is that those who “stand firm to the end” will be the minority (see Matthew 7:14).

We can dissect this passage even further to glean relevant truths. Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm through persecution. Matthew 24:9 warns that Jesus’ followers would be “handed over to be persecuted and put to death.” From the time of the apostles until present day, millions of Christians have been persecuted and put to death. We are seeing an escalation of that in more recent days with global terrorism, but martyrdom has always been common in most areas of the world. Verse 9 goes on to state that Christians will “be hated by all nations because of me.” As Islam and atheism increase in nations that once held to Judeo-Christian values, we are seeing a greater fulfillment of this prophecy. Hatred can be expressed in many ways, one of which is the radical secularization of culture and governments that once honored time-tested morality and faith. When a culture actively strips from its history and public life any vestiges of God’s involvement in its success, that nation is displaying hatred toward Jesus.

Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm through ridicule and hatred. Matthew 24:10 says that when many turn away from the faith, they will “betray and hate each other.” With the proliferation of internet websites, blogs, and Facebook pages, we are seeing the polarization of opinions leading to angry diatribes and un-Christlike dialogue. Everyone has an opinion about everything, and opinion, it seems, has become a god worth defending through anger. Even among professing “Christians,” the comments and editorializing have taken a decidedly downward turn. Issues not worth dividing over have become hot-button topics that alienate brothers and sisters and, sadly, the unbelieving world. Issues that are worth dividing over have been swept under the rug in the name of “tolerance.” Anyone who does not bow to the god of tolerance becomes an object of ridicule and self-righteous hatred.

Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm through false teaching. Matthew 24:11 goes on to warn of “many false prophets” appearing and deceiving the masses. We tend to imagine a “false prophet” as a flamboyant type, easily spotted and easily rejected. However, if this were true, then many would not be deceived by them. Instead, the false prophets are men and women with outward displays of Christianity, charismatic charm, and a way with words. They weave their heresies with Scripture, just as Satan does (see Luke 4:1–10), so that those who do not know God’s Word thoroughly are taken in by their great-sounding teachings (2 Timothy 4:3–4). We are already seeing this take place with the explosion in recent years of hyper-grace teaching and the prosperity gospel. Millions are being deceived, with Bibles in their laps, because the words of the false prophets are ego-soothing, exciting, and more desirable than Scripture’s focus upon self-sacrifice and surrender.

Those who endure to the end and are saved will stand firm even in the midst of a rampantly sinful culture. Matthew 24:12 says that “because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.” This is a cause-and-effect statement that we are seeing played out before our eyes. As culture redefines reality according to its lusts and depravity, those clinging to scriptural definitions of sin are being quickly outnumbered. As wickedness becomes more popular and socially acceptable, people without a solid biblical worldview are being swept up by its grandiose promises. They are “rethinking” and “reevaluating” the Bible’s relevance in our modern world. The definitions of gender, sexuality, and morality are being challenged, even within some segments of the church, causing those unschooled in truth to collapse beneath the weight of these “new insights.” It is no wonder that the flicker of love that may have been ignited by the Holy Spirit is squelched in favor of a new love and a new god created in the image of the culture.

When Jesus says, “The one who endures to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:13, ESV), He is speaking of those who are truly born again, whose lives are transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit. True followers of Jesus Christ will withstand the onslaught of wickedness, recognize and reject false teaching, and cling fast to the truth of God’s Word. They will overcome this world and be granted reward in the world to come (Revelation 3:21). Those who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13; 4:30; 2 Corinthians 1:22) have His power working in them to enable them to stand firm (Romans 14:4; Jude 1:24–25).

Why should Jesus warn those who are truly born again since He knows they can't lose their salvation regardless?

OLAADEGBU:


What's the point of the epistle if knowing we cannot lose our salvation no matter the case?



Why should Jesus warn those who are truly born again since He knows they can't lose their salvation regardless?

Bros e be like say you like arguement o.

OLAADEGBU:


Let's consider some verses then:

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Romans 8:13).

Are you saying that it is not possible for a Christian to live after the flesh and die in sin?

Here are other conditions and warnings to believers:

"But Christ as a son over His own house, whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end" (Hebrews 3:6).

This verse seems to be saying that the believer that doesn't hold fast to the end will lose his/her salvation.

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

Is it not clear from these verses that a Christian can lose his faith through unbelief and the deceitfulness of sin and that we see the need to consciously be stedfast till the end for us to receive the final salvation?

Romans 8:13 is surrounded by definitions put there to help us understand. For example Romans 8:5 says those who live according to the sin nature have their minds set on what that nature desires. Romans 8:7 says the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law nor can it do so.

These verses tell us that Paul was not speaking of behavior but of intent. If a person’s intent is to live according to the sin nature, it’s an indication he or she is not saved. But a person whose mind is set on living according to the Spirit, even though he or she still sins, is saved.

Note the next verse tell us which people are saved.
Thats, Spirit led people.

So if a person actually lives in the flesh, it should tell you tgat he or she is not saved


You can read about Hebrews 3 here.
http://www.wolfcreekbaptist.com/index.php wcsermons/1146-hebrews-3-the-nature-of-salvation







Can I also give you scriptures to show that we cannot lose our salvation ?

Scholar8200:


We are saved by faith through Grace and we stand by faith(Eph 2:8 and 2 corinth 1:24b)...can a Christian lose his faith? and/or can a Christian abandon his faith? If yes, does he remain saved and is he still standing?

Good question.

Jennygiveme:


Bros e be like say you like arguement o.

Let's hear what the Lord has to say and that's if we have his hearing.

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matthew 24:24).

If the very elect can be deceived who says we can't? Don't let any man/woman/ministry/church deceive you. Be like the Bereans and study to show yourself approved of God rightly dividing the word of truth.

Junia:


Romans 8:13 is surrounded by definitions put there to help us understand. For example Romans 8:5 says those who live according to the sin nature have their minds set on what that nature desires. Romans 8:7 says the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law nor can it do so.

These verses tell us that Paul was not speaking of behavior but of intent. If a person’s intent is to live according to the sin nature, it’s an indication he or she is not saved. But a person whose mind is set on living according to the Spirit, even though he or she still sins, is saved.

Note the next verse tell us which people are saved.
Thats, Spirit led people.

So if a person actually lives in the flesh, it should tell you tgat he or she is not saved


You can read about Hebrews 3 here.
http://www.wolfcreekbaptist.com/index.php wcsermons/1146-hebrews-3-the-nature-of-salvation







Can I also give you scriptures to show that we cannot lose our salvation ?

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

It would be a complete waste of time for Jesus or His apostles to be warning the Church not to walk in the flesh if as you say they cannot lose their salvation regardless of how they live their lives. Why would Jesus tell Christians to watch and pray if He knows that we cannot depart from the faith?

OLAADEGBU:


Let's hear what the Lord has to say and that's if we have his hearing.

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matthew 24:24).

If the very elect can be deceived who says we can't? Don't let any man/woman/ministry/church deceive you. Be like the Bereans and study to show yourself approved of God rightly dividing the word of truth.

If it were possible

owoleola:


If it were possible

Can Christians be deceived?

matthew 24:21-22 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. [b]But for the sake of the elect [/b]those days will be cut short. the elects must be saved brother.

owoleola:


matthew 24:21-22 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. [b]But for the sake of the elect [/b]those days will be cut short. the elects must be saved brother.

I repeat the question again, can true Christians be deceived?

OLAADEGBU:


Can Christians be deceived?

Into losing their salvation?.......,NO

OLAADEGBU:


"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

If there is no chance of losing one's salvation why the trembling and fearing while working it out until it is completed? Listen to what our Lord and Saviour said when asked about the endtimes:

"And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end shall be saved" (Matthew 24:11-13).

He/she that endures till the end shall be saved. We need God's grace for salvation, we need grace to continue being saved and we need grace to endure to the end.

you were not patient enough to read the following verse after philippians 2:12.......13 says ''For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do his good will''. The question now is,can God fail at His work?

owoleola:


Into losing their salvation?.......,NO

Let's consider this verse:

"Brethren, If any of you do err from the truth and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinners from the error of his way shall save a soul from death and shall hide a multitude of sins" (James 5:20).

A Christian is not a sinner and a sinner is not a Christian. If a brother errs from the truth and he is not restored before he dies what happens to his soul?

OLAADEGBU:


Let's consider this verse:

"Brethren, If any of you do err from the truth and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinners from the error of his way shall save a soul from death and shall hide a multitude of sins" (James 5:20).

A Christian is not a sinner and a sinner is not a Christian. If a brother errs from the truth and he is not restored before he dies what happens to his soul?

who gets converted,a believer?......,converted to what again?

OLAADEGBU:


"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

It would be a complete waste of time for Jesus or His apostles to be warning the Church not to walk in the flesh if as you say they cannot lose their salvation regardless of how they live their lives. Why would Jesus tell Christians to watch and pray if He knows that we cannot depart from the faith?

They want us to be who we actually are. Imagine a human living like a dog, does it make sense ??
A cat barking
A bird crowing
An eagle in the midst of little birds.
Its just absurd.

God will not leave His children to stay and in to unbelief.

True believers may go through times of doubt and sin, but they can’t remain there. God’s discipline will bring them back.

True believers are also led by the Spirit of God.
They may yield to the lust of the flesh but won't continue live in sin.
Those who live in sin are actually not born of God.

Hebrews 12:8
If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.








Can I start quoting my scriptures

owoleola:


you were not patient enough to read the following verse after philippians 2:12.......13 says ''For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do his good will''. The question now is,can God fail at His work?

Ok. Let's go there and beyond:

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain" (Philippians 2:12-16).

You can see that murmurings and disputings as a result of their unbelief was what made the Church in the wilderness to miss the promise land. What we are being taught here is that we should not repeat the same mistake of murmuring because we don't understand the word of God. We should depend on God who works in us both to will and to do His good pleasure. Believing that we can live a holy life in this crooked generation by the power of God is what makes us work out our salvation with fear and trembling because we don't want to have the same fate of those that fell in the wilderness because of unbelief. God plays His part and we have our own part to play. Trust in the finished work of Christ and obey His Words.

owoleola:


who gets converted,a believer?......,converted to what again?

The passage is clear enough:

"Brethren, If any of you do err from the truth and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinners from the error of his way shall save a soul from death and shall hide a multitude of sins" (James 5:20).

Let me spell out the facts about backslidders in this verse as enumerated from a reputable Bible commentary:

1. It is possible for Christians to err from the truth and become unconverted. An example is Apostle Peter in Luke 22:32.
2. An erring Christian can be converted again.
3. An erring Christian becomes a sinner again if he sins.
4. An erring Christian incurs the death penalty again when he sins.
5. If the erring Christian is saved from his error his soul will be saved again from death (See Rev.2:5; 1 John 1:9; 5:18).
6. If he repents and is saved again from death his sins will be forgiven and hidden.
7. If he does not repent he will be lost and will have to pay the penalty for his sins.

Junia:


They want us to be who we actually are. Imagine a human living like a dog, does it make sense ??
A cat barking
A bird crowing
An eagle in the midst of little birds.
Its just absurd.

God will not leave His children to stay and in to unbelief.

True believers may go through times of doubt and sin, but they can’t remain there. God’s discipline will bring them back.

True believers are also led by the Spirit of God.
They may yield to the lust of the flesh but won't continue live in sin.
Those who live in sin are actually not born of God.

Hebrews 12:8
If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.








Can I start quoting my scriptures

Let me remind you of the verses in question before you take us down some rabbit trails.

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

We can see here how Paul warns the holy brethren, using the examples of Israel's failures in the wilderness and how they came short of God's promises because of unbelief.

Apostle Paul states here categorically that Christians can also return to the evil heart of unbelief and depart from the living God and that they can equally be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin and that they can be cut off by God and be finally lost, that is, losing their salvation.

OLAADEGBU:


Let me remind you of the verses in question before you take us down some rabbit trails.

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:12-14).

We can see here how Paul warns the holy brethren, using the examples of Israel's failures in the wilderness and how they came short of God's promises because of unbelief.

Apostle Paul states here categorically that Christians can also return to the evil heart of unbelief and depart from the living God and that they can equally be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin and that they can be cut off by God and be finally lost, that is, losing their salvation.

The Israelites' lack of trust caused them to fall away from God, and this resulted in discipline. They gave in to fear, and that led to disobedience and stubbornness. They did not "hold fast," and as a result, that generation was not allowed to enter into the Promised Land. God did not send Israel back into slavery in Egypt, but He disciplined the people for their lack of faith.

The author of Hebrews is warning the Jewish Christians who read these words not to make the same mistake. The context makes it clear that salvation is not at stake. The Promised Land is not a metaphor for heaven— Israel's rescue from Egypt is the symbol of salvation. God's wrath against the Jewish people in the wilderness was not to send them back to Egypt (symbolizing a return to an un-saved state). Rather, it was to deny them the blessings of the promised inheritance. Parts of chapter 4 will further support the idea that the author is speaking of sin in the life of a saved believer, not the potential loss of salvation.

The truth is simple. If a person does not "hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end" then what does this prove?

Think of scaffolding which is erected around a building during times of construction or repair. Scaffolding is merely a temporary attachment. It is not a real and genuine part of the building. Proof of this is in the fact that the scaffolding does not continue with the building but rather it is taken down and removed.
If a person does not "hold fast the beginning of his confidence stedfast unto the end" (see Heb. 3:14), then this indicates that this person never truly became a Partaker of Christ. He was just a temporary attachment.

John 10:26
But you don’t believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you.

Meaning there is no unbelief amongst Jesus' sheep. I am not saying they will always believe, because sometimes doubt comes into our hearts. What I mean is Christians will not stay in unbelieve. Thats why they are believers.

John 10:28
I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

What an assurance from our Lord.
If you have eternal life, you will never perish. Again never.

No one will snatch them out of my hand.
Wow, even if they run away, no one will snatch them.

This is God speaking. Believe Him.

Junia:


The Israelites' lack of trust caused them to fall away from God, and this resulted in discipline. They gave in to fear, and that led to disobedience and stubbornness. They did not "hold fast," and as a result, that generation was not allowed to enter into the Promised Land. God did not send Israel back into slavery in Egypt, but He disciplined the people for their lack of faith.

The author of Hebrews is warning the Jewish Christians who read these words not to make the same mistake. The context makes it clear that salvation is not at stake. The Promised Land is not a metaphor for heaven— Israel's rescue from Egypt is the symbol of salvation. God's wrath against the Jewish people in the wilderness was not to send them back to Egypt (symbolizing a return to an un-saved state). Rather, it was to deny them the blessings of the promised inheritance. Parts of chapter 4 will further support the idea that the author is speaking of sin in the life of a saved believer, not the potential loss of salvation.

The truth is simple. If a person does not "hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end" then what does this prove?

Think of scaffolding which is erected around a building during times of construction or repair. Scaffolding is merely a temporary attachment. It is not a real and genuine part of the building. Proof of this is in the fact that the scaffolding does not continue with the building but rather it is taken down and removed.
If a person does not "hold fast the beginning of his confidence stedfast unto the end" (see Heb. 3:14), then this indicates that this person never truly became a Partaker of Christ. He was just a temporary attachment.

John 10:26
But you don’t believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you.

Meaning there is no unbelief amongst Jesus' sheep. I am not saying they will always believe, because sometimes doubt comes into our hearts. What I mean is Christians will not stay in unbelieve. Thats why they are believers.

John 10:28
I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

What an assurance from our Lord.
If you have eternal life, you will never perish. Again never.

No one will snatch them out of my hand.
Wow, even if they run away, no one will snatch them.

This is God speaking. Believe Him.

Interlude.

Daily Manna
SATURDAY, JULY 15, 2017

BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS

TEXT: JEREMIAH 29:20-32

"Send to all them of the captivity, saying, Thus saith the LORD concerning Shemaiah the Nehelamite; Because that Shemaiah hath prophesied unto you, and I sent him not, and he caused you to trust in a lie" (Jeremiah 29:31).

From the time of Adam, Satan, the devil, has been deceiving the whole world. His goal has been to twist and falsify the truth of God and to discourage humanity from following the path to godliness, true happiness and eternal life. To assist him in this effort, he influences people to become counterfeit prophets.

Jeremiah, the prophet had been instructed by God to send a message to the residue of the elders who had been carried away captives to Babylon, that they should build houses to dwell in, plant gardens and eat the fruit, get married and have children so that they may increase and not diminish in exile. Also they should seek the peace of the city where they were captives, so that they would have peace. The message was necessary because the captivity was to last 70 years. But Shemaiah sent a counter letter to the exiles, without hearing from the Lord, prophesying lies to the people and leading them to rebellion against God.

Today, there are many false prophets in the world. Apostle Peter forewarned when he stated that "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them..."

The main purpose of false prophets and teachers is to lead people to rebel against God by disobedience to His word, just as Satan deceived Adam and Eve to do in the Garden of Eden. Today, some Christians are led by false prophets and teachers to put their faith in holy water, anointing oil, unscriptural prayers and dramatic display of spiritual powers. Others are focused on prophesying events and teaching eternal security (once saved, forever saved). Do not be a victim of false prophecies and false prophets. Christ our Saviour has made us victors over all the circumstances of life.

Bible Reading in one Year: GENESIS 45-47

Higher Everyday for Youths - Link: http://highereveryday.dclmhq.org/

Thought for the day: No excuse, if you are deceived by false prophets

See more HERE:

OLAADEGBU:


Interlude.

False prophets abound as much as false believers abound.

owoleola:


False prophets abound as much as false believers abound.

You can say that again.

"In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren" (2 Corinthians 11:26).

This shows that we are at perilous times/endtimes.

analice107:

What about Judas?
He was with the Master throughout, He was Baptized, Ate and drank with him. went out and came back with him. Witnessed all the miracles, signs and wonders performed by the master.

He was a worker in the fold, a treasurer. When the Master sent them out to preach the Gospel, He empowered them with the Holy Spirit to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the Lepers, and cast out demons. Judas was not left out. He also received that power.

He partook of the Table where Christ gave them his body and blood to commemorate his dead.

Was Judas a follower of Christ? Yes. Did he backslide? Yes.

l think if a Christian becomes insensitive to the spirit, he can fall into Satan's hands.
Satan is very crafty.

Actually Judas was saved by Christ but something happened......- covetousness.
Sin comes in little by little by little.
He had the thought in his heart and Satan assisted him. He did not reject the devil. He didn't have peace and pardon.
Jesus did not force him but fell by his own transgression-

Apostle who became an apostate.
Believer who became a betrayer,
Convert who became covetous,
Disciple who became devilish,
Externally righteous but extremely rottened,
Friend but a foe,
Grace but fell to grass,
Heaven candidate but became captive of hell,
Instructed but incorrigible,
Just but judged,
King's acquittance but a kissing adversary,
Leader but became lost,
Minister but loved Mammon,
Negotiator but Negligent,
Opportunistic but obstinate,
Preacher but a pervert,
Quiet fellow but with questionable character,
Reaper but became a reprobate,
Schemer but sold to Satan,
Teacher but treacherous,
Used but of no use,
Vulture and a violator,
Watchman but a wolf,
Xpelled after being exalted,
Yoked to Satan after yielding to Jesus,
Zealous for money but zero in ministry.

At this week's bible study.

OLAADEGBU:


Interlude.

"For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain" (Isaiah 26:21).

Daily Manna
WEDNESDAY, JULY 19, 2017

JUDGE OF ALL

TEXT: ISAIAH 26:12-21

"For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain" (Isaiah 26:21).

John Bunyan, the author of the Pilgrims' Progress, stated: "This rushing world has a time to stand; which time when ended, judgment shall be issued out of hand upon all sorts of men. The Judge we find, in God's record: the Son of man. For He by God's appointment is made Lord and Judge of all that be. Before this Judge, no one shall shroud himself under pretence of knowledge, which hath made him proud, nor seeming penitence. No high profession here can stand, unless sincerity hath been therewith commixed and brought forth simplicity. No mask nor visor here can hide the heart that rotten is, all clock now must be laid aside, no sinner must have bliss."

In the Bible, you will find that many people were judged and punished by God for their transgressions. The first man and woman were judged for their disobedience. Cain was judged for his wickedness. All those who refused to repent in the time of Noah were judged, so also the sinful people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Even the children of Israel were not spared judgement when they sinned in the wilderness.

The Scriptures describes God as the Almighty Creator, loving Father and merciful Redeemer; but He is also described as the all-knowing Judge. He watches our thoughts, words and actions (in secret and in the open) to see if they conform to His laid-down precepts of righteousness and holy living. And anyone who chooses to disregard His commandments will certainly be judged (Acts 17:30,31).

Perhaps, the picture of your present life is not too different from that of Israel, who had forsaken the true God to follow after dead gods. Remember that God is angry with the wicked (sinners) every day. Be wise. It is now that you can determine whether you will be judged unto condemnation by the Righteous Judge, or whether you will be eternally rewarded.

Bible Reading in one Year: EXODUS 8-11

Higher Everyday for Youths - Link: http://highereveryday.dclmhq.org/

Thought for the day: God is merciful; but He is also a consuming fire.

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"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead" (Acts 17:30-31).

SHALOM!

OLAADEGBU:
Can a Christian lose salvation? Is there any way that salvation can be lost? Once I am saved, is that salvation assured and secured?

The Lord explained that to be the case in several Teachings.

There are procedures for stripping a Servant of God of whatever they think they have received from God.