earthrealm:


@ceaser skillfully avoided answering my questions.
Profit, bms, case etc never enter o..yet its already almost 1.8m, yet felicity claims to sell same for 1.5m , and some ignorant people here think felicity is doing them a favour, no body be father christmas. You get exactly what you pay for

Bro sincerely I did not avoid it ó. I just didn't want to do the calculation for you as (I no want rack my brain too much). That is why I based my point on Valto making his price point revolve around direct experience with purchases and procurement as compared with someone who just bought off of another and decide to slap an arbitrary price.

Besides asides from the fact that I have a rough idea of the price setpoint for DIY LFP, the internet is there to compare prices. So if anyone inflates, people doing due diligence will quickly decipher the difference.

But if you insist, your profile fits into my radius of patronage price-wise and quality wise. At least for instance we know the history of Valto's sources of cells and also for a few other DIYers here who package cells and that is enough to set minds at rest. It's just that I haven't needed to get cells of late.

But even if I go buy from you, just know that as is customary, I won't go down without fighting haggling.

zeestone99:


Many people want to judge what a fair price should be but are gainfully employed in companies that inflate prices when dealing with their clients or get government contracts at over inflated prices.

Well, I'm glad I don't have a log in my eyes before opting to clear the speck in my brother's eye. That actually is my philosophy

So for ya information, I don't inflate arbitrarily, for it is to me an antisocial attitude. You must have read here before that I have some businesses which I somehow invested solar power supply in, a few shops being one of such and managed by wify.

So I'm glad to tell you that in line with my principle of not being selfish and a price gouger, every item in that place is strategically made to be cheaper for radius of kilometers around. This increases patronage. These discounts isn't gonna ruin the business, but it motivates patronage nevertheless and guess what, the profit from the turnover makes up for the discounts on items. Not just that, I encourage that they accept returns when customers complain about items and with such people, an arrangement or agreement is reached where both parties do not feel cheated.

People around say to my wife that this is easy for her to do because as they put it, she does not feed with proceeds from the business. But I daresay that it's all about being principled rightly.

I also have a few employees and I also make it a duty to be fair to them in remuneration, and I am truly happy with myself and with my conscience.

It's a social responsibility to be fair in pricing, not price gouging like many will want to justify. So I can boldly judge what a fair price should be.

earthrealm:


@ceaser skillfully avoided answering my questions.
Profit, bms, case etc never enter o..yet its already almost 1.8m, yet felicity claims to sell same for 1.5m , and some ignorant people here think felicity is doing them a favour, no body be father christmas. You get exactly what you pay for

to couple a good 280ah in a metal box and good bms will cost atleast 2.1m.,but a company with huge overhead cost is offering higher capacity for 1.5m , it might even be 160ah cells labelled as 300ah.

Valto:
to couple a good 280ah in a metal box and good bms will cost atleast 2.1m.,but a company with huge overhead cost is offering higher capacity for 1.5m , it might even be 160ah cells labelled as 300ah.

I think you meant to say "cheap overhead cost". With more manufactured volumes and automated assembly and manufacturing process, the overhead expenses should come down significantly compared to a one room, one man factory like Valto's. Yet they lie to us about the capacity.

ceaser:




Bro sincerely I did not avoid it ó. I just didn't want to do the calculation for you as (I no want rack my brain too much). That is why I based my point on Valto making his price point revolve around direct experience with purchases and procurement as compared with someone who just bought off of another and decide to slap an arbitrary price.

Besides asides from the fact that I have a rough idea of the price setpoint for DIY LFP, the internet is there to compare prices. So if anyone inflates, people doing due diligence will quickly decipher the difference.

But if you insist, your profile fits into my radius of patronage price-wise and quality wise. At least for instance we know the history of Valto's sources of cells and also for a few other DIYers here who package cells and that is enough to set minds at rest. It's just that I haven't needed to get cells of late.

But even if I go buy from you, just know that as is customary, I won't go down without fighting haggling.




Well, I'm glad I don't have a log in my eyes before opting to clear the speck in my brother's eye. That actually is my philosophy

So for ya information, I don't inflate arbitrarily, for it is to me an antisocial attitude. You must have read here before that I have some businesses which I somehow invested solar power supply in, a few shops being one of such and managed by wify.

So I'm glad to tell you that in line with my principle of not being selfish and a price gouger, every item in that place is strategically made to be cheaper for radius of kilometers around. This increases patronage. These discounts isn't gonna ruin the business, but it motivates patronage nevertheless and guess what, the profit from the turnover makes up for the discounts on items. Not just that, I encourage that they accept returns when customers complain about items and with such people, an arrangement or agreement is reached where both parties do not feel cheated.

People around say to my wife that this is easy for her to do because as they put it, she does not feed with proceeds from the business. But I daresay that it's all about being principled rightly.

I also have a few employees and I also make it a duty to be fair to them in remuneration, and I am truly happy with myself and with my conscience.

It's a social responsibility to be fair in pricing, not price gouging like many will want to justify. So I can boldly judge what a fair price should be.

I think this is the right time to say give unto ceaser what belongs to him

Una dey spoil people's market here oh.

isangjohnson:
Una dey spoil people's market here oh.

do we rather promote cheating, why market 24v 200ah as 300ah, 24v 120ah as 200ah,48v 120ah as 200ah and 48v 200ah as 300ah...i no call any company name oo

earthrealm:


@ceaser skillfully avoided answering my questions.
Profit, bms, case etc never enter o..yet its already almost 1.8m, yet felicity claims to sell same for 1.5m , and some ignorant people here think felicity is doing them a favour, no body be father christmas. You get exactly what you pay for

If a global firm can compromise quality for big bucks, what stops a Nigerian DIY coupler from coupling used and under-rated cells for ignorant buyers like me?

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coldcandy:


If a global firm can compromise quality for big bucks, what stops a Nigerian DIY coupler from coupling used and under-rated cells for ignorant buyers like me?

thats why the list of trusted lithium battery suppliers at alibaba are listed here. u can easily order yours and couple by yourself, it is not that hard. btw, there are some brands that markets real capacity in Nigeria. but ignorant buyers will think it is overpriced

coldcandy:


If a global firm can compromise quality for big bucks, what stops a Nigerian DIY coupler from coupling used and under-rated cells for ignorant buyers like me?

it seems you misunderstand my motive,

1. to let people be aware of the true price of lithium cells, and how felicity , yohako and the like lithium packs cant be true capacity based on the above.

2, to encourage you/people that they can easily build their packs, if they so desire and get true capacity

3. a diy coupled pack can easily be opened and cells inspected if new or used...factory packs are a lot more difficult to do this.
etc

Valto:
thats why the list of trusted lithium battery suppliers at alibaba are listed here. u can easily order yours and couple by yourself, it is not that hard. btw, there are some brands that markets real capacity in Nigeria. but ignorant buyers will think it is overpriced

Please drop the list again.

Abeg

ceaser:




Bro sincerely I did not avoid it ó. I just didn't want to do the calculation for you as (I no want rack my brain too much). That is why I based my point on Valto making his price point revolve around direct experience with purchases and procurement as compared with someone who just bought off of another and decide to slap an arbitrary price.

Besides asides from the fact that I have a rough idea of the price setpoint for DIY LFP, the internet is there to compare prices. So if anyone inflates, people doing due diligence will quickly decipher the difference.

But if you insist, your profile fits into my radius of patronage price-wise and quality wise. At least for instance we know the history of Valto's sources of cells and also for a few other DIYers here who package cells and that is enough to set minds at rest. It's just that I haven't needed to get cells of late.

But even if I go buy from you, just know that as is customary, I won't go down without fighting haggling.




Well, I'm glad I don't have a log in my eyes before opting to clear the speck in my brother's eye. That actually is my philosophy

So for ya information, I don't inflate arbitrarily, for it is to me an antisocial attitude. You must have read here before that I have some businesses which I somehow invested solar power supply in, a few shops being one of such and managed by wify.

So I'm glad to tell you that in line with my principle of not being selfish and a price gouger, every item in that place is strategically made to be cheaper for radius of kilometers around. This increases patronage. These discounts isn't gonna ruin the business, but it motivates patronage nevertheless and guess what, the profit from the turnover makes up for the discounts on items. Not just that, I encourage that they accept returns when customers complain about items and with such people, an arrangement or agreement is reached where both parties do not feel cheated.

People around say to my wife that this is easy for her to do because as they put it, she does not feed with proceeds from the business. But I daresay that it's all about being principled rightly.

I also have a few employees and I also make it a duty to be fair to them in remuneration, and I am truly happy with myself and with my conscience.

It's a social responsibility to be fair in pricing, not price gouging like many will want to justify. So I can boldly judge what a fair price should be.

So in essence you want everyone to be like you. Channel that energy across all sectors, from banking, oil and gas, telecoms etc. It's not this one you will single out a select few and start telling them they are inflating price blablabla whereas most of y'all are enjoying the benefits of inflation of price in your workplace.

I have access to corporate documents and I know what is being quoted there.
You don't dictate how one should sell his or her wares because no one will compell you to buy.
I can get a plate or decent meal in an eatery for maybe 3k/4k and I might not also get a plate of that same food for 10k in another eatery. Nobody will force you, patronize what you can afford.

zeestone99:


So in essence you want everyone to be like you. Channel that energy across all sectors, from banking, oil and gas, telecoms etc. It's not this one you will single out a select few and start telling them they are inflating price blablabla whereas most of y'all are enjoying the benefits of inflation of price in your workplace.

I have access to corporate documents and I know what is being quoted there.
You don't dictate how one should sell his or her wares because no one will compell you to buy.
I can get a plate or decent meal in an eatery for maybe 3k/4k and I might not also get a plate of that same food for 10k in another eatery. Nobody will force you, patronize what you can afford.

If you go to the market you will find several prices and you will choose the one that suits you.
Buying cheap don't necessarily mean you got the best deal, many times I buy stuffs at higher prices than I have seen elsewhere. It's not because I'm stupid or I have moni to lavish, I could get some extra benefits later when the need arises. It could be anything from consultations, credit, aftersale service etc.
If a price is too expensive, you have the option to try other sellers, go to the market physically or something.

isangjohnson:
Una dey spoil people's market here oh.

Not everyone has the time or patience to import + most people would miss the conversation

isangjohnson:
Una dey spoil people's market here oh.

Not so bro. Honesty and customer satisfaction goes a long way in business.

It's better they place the real capacity of their sundry products with actual price, rather than stating otherwise.

Do you know how many clients Felicity will loose by virtue of these exposed fraud of theirs?

In business, the lost of one client is the lost of 10 prospective clients, but if you are able to gain one client, then you have 10 prospective clients.

So real capacity should always be stated irrespective of the price. Those who can afford it will definitely go for it. By so doing they reputation is preserved!

ceaser:


Have you honestly found "recall" as a vocabulary in Nigerian manufacturers' dictionary? Hehehehe.

Few days ago cos of the exigencies, I purchased a usb charger from a roadside truckware pusher. Deep down I had the strong urge it was not gonna work and I was right. I got to where I was going and it was nonsense. The following day, the guy had switched location and new guys have replaced him. Now I suspect that was a deliberate cycling done everyday by these bunch to throw scammed buyers off their scent.

What I'm trying to say is that the Nigerian culture has not matured to the point where manufacturers or sellers are held into account/or accept responsibilities themselves. They know this and therefore dump substandard products here. Few posts back we discussed about Nigerian/African version of LG TVs and ACs (made in LG factory for Africa) versus the versions made for Europe and North America.

We are no less humans and deserve what is as good especially when we are ready to pay for such. But a situation where you are being sold duds for the price of the real deal, like Felicity tries to do, is annoying. And some middlemen/sellers are always complicit in this racketeering cos it is them that tell the manufacturers to make substandard specs for them and they smile to the bank's with insane profits.

I vividly recall on this thread when lithium first took the mainstream with members here and we were all wowed by the performance over LA, we expressed the worry that the expectations might soon be cut short when the markets start getting flooded, like it did with LA, with substandard and fake LFP. We didn't even envisage it will be in the form of overrated capacity or use of salvaged cells let alone it being done by a popular household name like Felicity. At worst, we expected something like "FELOCITY" as opposed to the real "Felicity", you know like it does with "SQNY", "PANASOANIC" or "NOKLA" as the usual methods.

Why not just put 10kwh nameplate on actual 10kwh and sell it as the price they still sell it.

The direct consequences of the persistent devaluation of the naira

I wish Felicity is reading the reviews of informed buyers ....

[quote author=Valto

Gloria cells na premium.... price no be here
Sandy Zou gives122uds for 280ah though claiming 299ah-300ah is the real capacity with busbar and nuts.
Only God knows what may likely happen with dollars rate before Dec. Unfortunately, the targeted masses in Nigerian market are poor citizens who are busy looking for daily meals/water and cared less about electricity.... Na only few of us dey talk about renewable energy

To be very sincere, this dollars issue just dey make me vex anyhow.
I wish someone could take me back to "old time religion" where freedom, rest of mind, affordable price of goods, love, unity was embedded.

isangjohnson:
[quote author=Valto

Gloria cells na premium.... price no be here
Sandy Zou gives122uds for 280ah though claiming 299ah-300ah is the real capacity with busbar and nuts.
Only God knows what may likely happen with dollars rate before Dec. Unfortunately, the targeted masses in Nigerian market are poor citizens who are busy looking for daily meals/water and cared less about electricity.... Na only few of us dey talk about renewable energy

To be very sincere, this dollars issue just dey make me vex anyhow.
I wish someone could take me back to "old time religion" where freedom, rest of mind, affordable price of goods, love, unity was embedded.

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mctfopt:
I wish Felicity is reading the reviews of informed buyers ....

They might not be reading from this thread but they're aware >>> YET SELL LIKE TOMORROW NEVER EXISTS !

Quite an ambiguous market! You're simply getting value for what you paid for as 80% using same lithium brand don't basically complain >> they serve them as some of my customers share their review.

zeestone99:


If you go to the market you will find several prices and you will choose the one that suits you.
Buying cheap don't necessarily mean you got the best deal, many times I buy stuffs at higher prices than I have seen elsewhere. It's not because I'm stupid or I have moni to lavish, I could get some extra benefits later when the need arises. It could be anything from consultations, credit, aftersale service etc.
If a price is too expensive, you have the option to try other sellers, go to the market physically or something.

Salient point Brotherly!

Observe we've reduced number of old members applying time & energy to type type type these days

Save yourself stress & type a few .. Many talk no dey full basket for farm tho "it requires regular planning et hardwork" ..

Dishtech:
Good morning @All please who sale 96v lithium battery or 48v that can be serries here?

that is not common in the market but you can get a 32s lifepo4 BMS and DIY.

mctfopt:
I wish Felicity is reading the reviews of informed buyers ....

They don't care, because even if its under capacity, the average user would not be able to know, --- only medium to advanced users would be able to decode the under-capacity, so those are the people who would find this information useful.
2ndly based on poor performance most users have experienced from leadacid battery, the felicity lithium packs would be like a breath of fresh air,.well used 2nd hand or even 3rd hand lithium battery still has some useful life in them

kiekie1:


Salient point Brotherly!

Observe we've reduced number of old members applying time & energy to type type type these days

Save yourself stress & type a few .. Many talk no dey full basket for farm tho "it requires regular planning et hardwork" ..

Naso chief.

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[quote author=mctfopt

Majority of reviews now na fake.
Most companies do beg customers for positive review. Some do offer give away items for dropping positive review.

zeestone99:


So in essence you want everyone to be like you. Channel that energy across all sectors, from banking, oil and gas, telecoms etc. It's not this one you will single out a select few and start telling them they are inflating price blablabla whereas most of y'all are enjoying the benefits of inflation of price in your workplace.

I have access to corporate documents and I know what is being quoted there.
You don't dictate how one should sell his or her wares because no one will compell you to buy.
I can get a plate or decent meal in an eatery for maybe 3k/4k and I might not also get a plate of that same food for 10k in another eatery. Nobody will force you, patronize what you can afford.

Okay. I hear you. No vex sir.

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