GenBuhari:
The the engineering and construction of pyramids and the mathematics involved still baffle white engineers until this very day.

We were also ahead in the science of metallurgy.

which pyramid ,na naija o not Egypt.
which metal
do you know how long ago they moved from brass to steel.

Rossikki:


Without us THEY would have no lawyers and doctors.

please expatiate
explanation or link

It was their looting of Africa, India, and the Americas that allowed them to develop their professions,

but did you have said professions is what I asked
where did the training start, here or Cambridge
stop deceiving yourself

including doctors and lawyers. Before Europe started their looting spree, they were the most backward region of the entire earth. So without us, they would be nothing. In fact, it was black African moors

were talking Nigeria not black moors.
and secondly why did black moors disappear if they were so superior.

who guided them out of the barbarity of their Dark Ages into their so called Renaissance. Before that, the black African ancient Egyptians allowed the Greeks to learn the rudiments of philosophy, engineering, architecture, writing, medicine, mathematics and astronomy. I don't expect you to know any of this because you are a victim of colonial whitewashing of history designed to keep you ignorant of your huge African contribution to modern civilisation, and subservient to them.

you that you're not ignorant what is your contribution.?
all this chest beating cannot help you. there is a reason
they enslaved and colonised us .better get it out of yours system otherwise you will continue looking for their visa and not the other way round.

Rossikki:


The fact that you've reduced pre-colonial African medicine to "witch doctors" shows how tragically miseducated, ignorant, and brainwashed you are, courtesy of colonialism. One of the most tragic consequences of colonialism was that while the whites were looting your land, they made sure to imbibe in you a sense of worthlessness and racial inferiority, by belittling your culture and practices, to prevent you from challenging their theft. You need to shed your slave mentality, conduct some proper research into your heritage, and quit being a doormat and yes man for racists and neo nazis.

slave mentality this slave mentality that, yet 1 example of the 'doctorate ' you no fit come up with

Warship:



What year was that book written and what year are we now.?



The Caucasian people of those days aren't the same in mindset with this present generation of Caucasian people



Stop blaming the whites

You think the Caucasian ruling class has had a change of heart, and now wants Africa to develop? So where will they get raw materials for their industries? Do you have any clue why they killed Ghadaffi? Do you know Ghadaffi was leading an effort to give Africa a unified currency, to break its dependence on foreign exchange and international financial agencies, among other dramatic policies such as African political unification? Do you know how much the west fear such developments? Instead of standing there as a bodyguard to "whites", why not get your head out of their asss and stand up for your own interests?

Rossikki:


We have dealt with the Asian Tiger phenomenon. If you are as bright as you make out, you would have read the thread prior to contributing.

I have read the gibberish. Unless you want to say the West are "gods" that can do and undo, that is your business. But to utter that a country cannot get developed in 50 years is wrong and smacks of incompetence. Same Singapore that had a lower GDP per Capita than Nigeria in the '60s. Same Singapore Lee instituted anti-corruption laws? Same Singapore Lee travelled calling for investments? Same Singapore Lee made friends with around the world? Same Singapore Lee that appointed the best and brightest? Same Lee who introduced laws at harmonising different races as in the current HDB? And lots more.

If you do not want to take responsibility for your actions, your prerogative. The problem of Nigeria is Nigerians especially apportion-blame-Nigerians like you. The rulers leaders are not imported.


Learn to take responsibility for your actions. And stop calling shopping malls development when the average household does not have access to clean and affordable water from public works.

Gerrard59:


I have read the gibberish. Unless you want to say the West are "gods" that can do and undo, that is your business. But to utter that a country cannot get developed in 50 years is wrong and smacks of incompetence. Same Singapore that had a lower GDP per Capita than Nigeria in the '60s. Same Singapore Lee instituted anti-corruption laws? Same Singapore Lee travelled calling for investments? Same Singapore Lee made friends with around the world? Same Singapore Lee that appointed the best and brightest? Same Lee who introduced laws at harmonising different races as in the current HDB? And lots more.

If you do not want to take responsibility for your actions, your prerogative. The problem of Nigeria is Nigerians especially apportion-blame-Nigerians like you. The rulers leaders are not imported.


Learn to take responsibility for your actions. And stop calling shopping malls development when the average household does not have access to clean and affordable water from public works.

You call the Asian Tiger/western links gibberish because you prefer to ascribe superhuman abilities to non Africans. Tell me. Have you heard of Botswana? It has been Africa's best governed nation for over 40 years. Good infrastructure, good education, a progressive govt, great resource base including diamonds, near zero corruption.

Now, Botswana has been doing even more than what Lee Kuan Yew did, in terms of setting up the enabling environment for industrialisation, and working to attract foreign investment. For the last two decades, her officials have gone cap in hand to western capitals, begging for investment, capital, technology transfer etc, of the type granted Lee Kuan Yew and other Tiger leaders. The result? ZERO. The only serious western investors entering Botswana are interested in the extractive industry. Mining, cash crops etc. Nothing more. Appeals by Botswana for them to invest in manufacturing has fallen on deaf ears, despite Botswana meeting even more of the criteria than the Asian Tigers ever did, prior to their 'selection'.

In fact many African countries have done better than Lee Kuan Yew to build up themselves for investment - Ghana, Namibia, Rwanda, Kenya etc. So where are the investors? Nowhere to be seen.

Until you understand that western policy to Africa has not changed from the day they sat around at the Berlin Conference carving out areas of influence for raw material access, you will never understand them, and keep being their dummy and play thing. We are in a geopolitical game. You need to understand where you stand in that game, because for now, you are blind as a bat.

Rossikki:


You call the Asian Tiger/western links gibberish because you prefer to ascribe superhuman abilities to non Africans. Tell me. Have you heard of Botswana? It has been Africa's best governed nation for over 40 years. Good infrastructure, good education, a progressive govt, great resource base including diamonds, near zero corruption.

Now, Botswana has been doing even more than what Lee Kuan Yew did, in terms of setting up the enabling environment for industrialisation, and working to attract foreign investment. For the last two decades, her officials have gone cap in hand to western capitals, begging for investment, capital, technology transfer etc, of the type granted Lee Kuan Yew and other Tiger leaders. The result? ZERO. The only serious western investors entering Botswana are interested in the extractive industry. Mining, cash crops etc. Nothing more. Appeals by Botswana for them to invest in manufacturing has fallen on deaf ears, despite Botswana meeting even more of the criteria than the Asian Tigers ever did, prior to their 'selection'.

Until you understand that western policy to Africa has not changed from the day they sat around at the Berlin Conference carving out areas of influence for raw material access, you will never understand them, and keep being their dummy and play thing. We are in a geopolitical game. You need to understand where you stand in that game, because for now, you are blind as a bat.

Botswana is landlocked. You can't compare both countries.

Rossikki:


You call the Asian Tiger/western links gibberish because you prefer to ascribe superhuman abilities to non Africans. Tell me. Have you heard about Botswana? It has been Africa's best governed nation for over 40 years. Good infrastructure, good education, a progressive govt, great resource base including diamonds, near zero corruption. Now, Botswana has been doing even more than what Lee Kuan Yew did, in terms of setting up the enabling environment for industrialisation, and working to attract foreign investment. For the last two decades, her officials have gone cap in hand to western capitals, begging for investment, capital, technology transfer etc, of the type granted Lee Kuan Yew and other Tiger leaders. The result? ZERO. The only serious western investors entering Botswana are interested in the extractive industry. Mining, cash crops etc. Nothing more. Appeals by Botswana for them to invest in manufacturing has fallen on deaf ears, despite Botswana meeting even more of the criteria than the Asian Tigers ever did, prior to their 'selection'.
.

Still blaming. No, I'm not. You are, by apportioning everything on them. Thereby making them feel so-superhuman.

Yes, Botswana has been Africa's best run place. However, not close to Lee's Singapore (Lee did wonders). Talking about investments and transfer of technology, well, there exist no law that stipulates technology must to be transferred to anyone. If you need it so badly, develop yours (Japan) or copy (China, albeit, she is developing hers).

tensazangetsu20:

Botswana is landlocked. You can't compare both countries.

What's that got to do with anything? They are not surrounded by hostile nations, and the cost of transporting manufactured goods to the nearest ports can be easily offset by the relatively low wages that would be paid, which would STILL lead to massive development and industrialisation. And other similar countries like Ghana and Kenya are not landlocked, so that's no excuse.

Gerrard59:


Still blaming. No, I'm not. You are, by apportioning everything on them. Thereby making them feel so-superhuman.

Yes, Botswana has been Africa's best run place. However, not close to Lee's Singapore (Lee did wonders).

Explain. What "wonders" did he perform to attract such massive western investment? Tell us the magic he performed. And don't patronise us with that nonsense about "blaming". We are simply stating the FACTS.

Talking about investments and transfer of technology, well, there exist no law that stipulates technology must to be transferred to anyone. If you need it so badly, develop yours (Japan) or copy (China, albeit, she is developing hers).

But that is exactly what we are all doing in Africa, including here in Nigeria. We are going it alone. We DO manufacture stuff in case it escaped you. But because we do not have the dramatic levels of western investment of capital and technology, it will TAKE LONGER than it took the Asian Tigers, who benefited from such high levels of western investment for western geopolitical reasons.

Which is why when people like you shout "Singapore!", "South Korea!", people like us will remind you that their development was externally and artificially driven by outsiders for geopolitical reasons, so you can stop comparing our rate of industrialisation and development to theirs.

Rossikki:


What's that got to do with anything? They are not surrounded by hostile nations, and the cost of transporting manufactured goods to the nearest ports can be easily offset by the relatively low wages that would be paid, which would STILL lead to massive development and industrialisation. And other similar countries like Ghana and Kenya are not landlocked, so that's no excuse.

Don't even compare Ghana to Nigeria. I lived and schooled there and even though they have their problems, the country is a 100 times better than the cesspit "Nigeria".

tensazangetsu20:

Don't even compare Ghana to Nigeria. I lived and schooled there and even though they have their problems, the country is a 100 times better than the cesspit "Nigeria".

Can you explain? How is Ghana better?

mikolo80:

please expatiate
explanation or link



but did you have said professions is what I asked
where did the training start, here or Cambridge
stop deceiving yourself

Where did what start? Medicine? It started in Africa, thousands of years before the white man crawled out of the caves of the Caucasus mountains.

were talking Nigeria not black moors.
and secondly why did black moors disappear if they were so superior.

They were around for nearly a thousand years. Nothing in life is permanent. The whites you worship today haven't even been dominant for up to 500 years. Their turn to disappear from the scene will come too. It happens to everyone.

you that you're not ignorant what is your contribution.?
all this chest beating cannot help you. there is a reason
they enslaved and colonised us .better get it out of yours system otherwise you will continue looking for their visa and not the other way round.

I'm done debating a child. You wish to remain a slave with inferiority complex, that's your cup of tea. The whites have similarly been enslaved and colonised by blacks and Arabs in the past. There are not superior beings unless to the ignorant who haven't read human history. And no, I don't need a visa to anywhere.

freshest4live:

Can you explain? How is Ghana better?

Well to start with am a marine engineer and in the maritime sector in Africa the Ghanaian, Egyptian and south African licenses are well respected. The first job I got straight out of school was with my Ghanaian certificate and to think that the company was located in Texas. I am also working on another company now and once I told them where I graduated from they were very excited to have me join them but in Nigeria the reverse is the case our licenses are not even respected in Nigerian waters talk less of outside the country. Someone who has never even sailed before in Nigeria can forge a captains license. Nigerians ruined the maritime industry and the Nigerian license. The other federal universities like KNUST and university of Ghana are well respected all over. They have exchange programs with top universities in Europe and the USA, very quality lecturers. Their universities are well funded. Neat campuses, nice classrooms and well maintained hostels.

And Ghana has far better infastructure than Nigeria. Though they have smaller single carriage roads, roads are well maintained. They have constant electricity and their citizens live far better lives than Nigerians.

Rossikki:


You call the Asian Tiger/western links gibberish because you prefer to ascribe superhuman abilities to non Africans. Tell me. Have you heard of Botswana? It has been Africa's best governed nation for over 40 years. Good infrastructure, good education, a progressive govt, great resource base including diamonds, near zero corruption.

Now, Botswana has been doing even more than what Lee Kuan Yew did, in terms of setting up the enabling environment for industrialisation, and working to attract foreign investment. For the last two decades, her officials have gone cap in hand to western capitals, begging for investment, capital, technology transfer etc, of the type granted Lee Kuan Yew and other Tiger leaders. The result? ZERO. The only serious western investors entering Botswana are interested in the extractive industry. Mining, cash crops etc. Nothing more. Appeals by Botswana for them to invest in manufacturing has fallen on deaf ears, despite Botswana meeting even more of the criteria than the Asian Tigers ever did, prior to their 'selection'.

In fact many African countries have done better than Lee Kuan Yew to build up themselves for investment - Ghana, Namibia, Rwanda, Kenya etc. So where are the investors? Nowhere to be seen.

Until you understand that western policy to Africa has not changed from the day they sat around at the Berlin Conference carving out areas of influence for raw material access, you will never understand them, and keep being their dummy and play thing. We are in a geopolitical game. You need to understand where you stand in that game, because for now, you are blind as a bat.

What is wrong with you.?

Why do you keep blaming the whites for our stupidity.?

Pls what stops Botswanan from empowering their people with Technological Education which is a basic prerequisite for indigenous industrialization.


What stops Botswanan from challenging their people to develop Modern Technologies and reward them with huge money to start up their own industries.


This is one of the reason I believe Biafra will do well if they insist that every citizen of her undergo compulsory 3 years Technological Education so as to transform them into potential industrialists

tensazangetsu20:

Botswana is landlocked. You can't compare both countries.

The problem is not being landlocked but the absence of Technological Education which is a prerequisite for indigenous industrialization.


Africans don't take Technological Education serious that is why we aren't seeing massive proliferation of indigenous industrialization on the continent


Even Ghana you sited don't take Technological Education seriously. If you doubt me, ask yourself why Ghanaians still import Technological Products.

tensazangetsu20:

Well to start with am a marine engineer and in the maritime sector in Africa the Ghanaian, Egyptian and south African licenses are well respected. The first job I got straight out of school was with my Ghanaian certificate and to think that the company was located in Texas. I am also working on another company now and once I told them where I graduated from they were very excited to have me join them but in Nigeria the reverse is the case our licenses are not even respected in Nigerian waters talk less of outside the country. Someone who has never even sailed before in Nigeria can forge a captains license. Nigerians ruined the maritime industry and the Nigerian license. The other federal universities like KNUST and university of Ghana are well respected all over. They have exchange programs with top universities in Europe and the USA, very quality lecturers. Their universities are well funded. Neat campuses, nice classrooms and well maintained hostels.

And Ghana has far better infastructure than Nigeria. Though they have smaller single carriage roads, roads are well maintained. They have constant electricity and their citizens live far better lives than Nigerians.

What a load of garbage. Ghana's GDP per capita is lower than Nigeria's, meaning their citizens on average, earn less than Nigerians. They have just two or three places you can legitimately call cities, their rural areas are often very deprived and backward with no electricity. Don't come in here telling us about Ghana as if you think people here don't visit Ghana.

Warship:




What is wrong with you.?

Why do you keep blaming the whites for our stupidity.?

Pls what stops Botswanan from empowering their people with Technological Education which is a basic prerequisite for indigenous industrialization.


What stops Botswanan from challenging their people to develop Modern Technologies and reward them with huge money to start up their own industries.


This is one of the reason I believe Biafra will do well if they insist that every citizen of her undergo compulsory 3 years Technological Education so as to transform them into potential industrialists

Last time l checked, nothing stops them from doing it now in Nigeria to show excellent example.

Warship:



The problem is not being landlocked but the absence of Technological Education which is a prerequisite for indigenous industrialization.


Africans don't take Technological Education serious that is why we aren't seeing massive proliferation of indigenous industrialization on the continent

Stop placing "Africans" in a single box. Each country has its own policies. Have you been to Botswana, or studied their economy or educational system? How do you know technology is not highly valued in their educational system?

Rossikki:
What a load of garbage. [b]Ghana's GDP per capita is lower than Nigeria's, meaning their citizens on average, earn less than Nigerians. [/b]They have just two or three places you can legitimately call cities, their rural areas are often very deprived and backward with no electricity. Don't come in here telling us about Ghana as if you think people here don't visit Ghana.

That's a very fat lie Ghana has a higher per capita income than Nigeria and about the rural areas of Ghana not having electricity that is another lie. My final year project was on energy consumption in rural areas and I had to visit some of them to collect data. All the rural areas I went to had quality power supply.

freshest4live:

Last time l checked, nothing stops them from doing it now in Nigeria to show excellent example.

Do you live in space.?


Aba and Nnewi are they not known for Technological activities.?


What we need now is for IPOB to set up several Technological Educational centers to help replicate Technological knowledge throughout Biafran land before Biafra is established so that once Biafra is reestablished, the outputs from these centers will quickly help us transform into a developed society.

tensazangetsu20:

That's a very fat lie Ghana has a higher per capita income than Nigeria and about the rural areas of Ghana not having electricity that is another lie. My final year project was on energy consumption in rural areas and I had to visit some of them to collect data. All the rural areas I went to had quality power supply.

You are wrong, Ghana has lower GDP per capita than Nigeria but a higher HDI.
The Ghanians still complain of power cuts frequently especially when Nigerian gas has problems due to militancy but they owed Nigeria millions of dollars in debt for the gas supply.

Rossikki:


Explain. What "wonders" did he perform to attract such massive western investment? Tell us the magic he performed. And don't patronise us with that nonsense about "blaming". We are simply stating the FACTS.



But that is exactly what we are all doing in Africa, including here in Nigeria. We are going it alone. We DO manufacture stuff in case it escaped you. But because we do not have the dramatic levels of western investment of capital and technology, it will TAKE LONGER than it took the Asian Tigers, who benefited from such high levels of western investment for western geopolitical reasons.

Which is why when people like you shout "Singapore!", "South Korea!", people like us will remind you that their development was externally and artificially driven by outsiders for geopolitical reasons, so you can stop comparing our rate of industrialisation and development to theirs.

These "facts', any source?

This is wrong. Their leaders and people did it not the all-powerful West. Yes, we should be compared as we started on the same footing if not higher than most nations.

Warship:



Do you live in space.?


Aba and Nnewi are they not known for Technological activities.?


What we need now is for IPOB to set up several Technological Educational centers to help replicate Technological knowledge throughout Biafran land before Biafra is established so that once Biafra is reestablished, the outputs from these centers will quickly help us transform into a developed society.

Good, then do it and less talk.

Rossikki:
Stop placing "Africans" in a single box. Each country has its own policies. Have you been to Botswana, or studied their economy or educational system? How do you know technology is not highly valued in their educational system?

I know that Botswana don't value Technological Education


Have you heard of any Botswana award for Technological Innovations and Inventions.

freshest4live:

You are wrong, Ghana has lower GDP per capita than Nigeria but a higher HDI.
The Ghanians still complain of power cuts frequently especially when Nigerian gas has problems due to militancy but they owed Nigeria millions of dollars in debt for the gas supply.

Power cuts are not frequent and even when they are there its for like an hour a day unlike in Nigeria where there is no light for months and IKEDC still has the effontery to bring bills.

freshest4live:

Good, then do it and less talk.

What do you mean by less talk


If we don't draw attention of people like Op and you to stop blaming the whites and start looking inwards towards Technological Education, you guys will keep deceiving fellow Africans

freshest4live:

You are wrong, Ghana has lower GDP per capita than Nigeria but a higher HDI.
The Ghanians still complain of power cuts frequently especially when Nigerian gas has problems due to militancy but they owed Nigeria millions of dollars in debt for the gas supply.

That, Mr Freshest, is what matters as GDP is simply a reflection of the country's population and output (emphasis on the former).

To keep blaming the white man for the country's woes is ridiculous after nearly 57 years of independence.

freshest4live:

OP was not blaming the whites, he was educating those who believe we were better under the whites than what we have now.

Seems you are new to Nairaland. The bolded is what he does for a living here. His disciples are Cap28 and GenBuhari.

Their motto "The west (aka white man) is to be blamed for every single woe in Nigeria nay Africa and we're not in anyway responsible for them."

Warship:



What do you mean by less talk


If we don't draw attention of people like Op and you to stop blaming the whites and start looking inwards towards Technological Education, you guys will keep deceiving fellow Africans

OP was not blaming the whites, he was educating those who believe we were better under the whites than what we have now.

freshest4live:

OP was not blaming the whites, he was educating those who believe we were better under the whites than what we have now.

Let's tell ourselves the truth


Are we better now or then


The Whites never left us in hopelessness as our leaders do today

Gerrard59:


That, Mr Freshest, is what matters as GDP is simply a reflection of the country's population and output (emphasis on the former).

To keep blaming the white man for the country's woes is ridiculous after nearly 57 years of independence.

Nobody is blaming the white man, he was only saying they don't really have interest in your progress except for your resources. We can make it on our own, and we are on the path but with giant problems.

Gerrard59:


That, Mr Freshest, is what matters as GDP is simply a reflection of the country's population and output (emphasis on the former).

To keep blaming the white man for the country's woes is ridiculous after nearly 57 years of independence.

Blaming the Whites after 57years is product of witchcraft.


Singapore South Korea etc have all developed because they took Technological Education serious



Nigeria don't have a National Award for Technological Innovations and Inventions



@freshest4live :leave the whites out of this