I don't have my copy of the constitution handy and even if i did, i think i'd still require some help from the Lawyers in the house. A question that's been coming up in my mind is, If Jonathan ascends as President, (south) and then He selects a norther as his Vice, will that not put David Mark's Job and consequently Dimeji Bankole's Job in jeopardy? Since their continued occupation in their present offices would negate the zoning system? Is this perhaps the reason why there has been no major headway in the NASS?
Answers please!!!

Im coming, let me get something! But wait, dis zoning stuff is it constitutional? Selfishness, agradisement,cowardise and ignorant are setting us back. Excuse me pass.

this zoning stuff came about cos of [ower shift, i think its high time we d people tell our so call leaders we dont recognise zoning, this is the major problem now, they cant think of how to balance the equation now?

What benefit has the nation and her citizens derived form these two guys and the positions they are holding especially the Dimeji guy who is a well known Yar Adua boy and has since blocked all forms of debate concerning the president's AWOL.

hasyak:

this zoning stuff came about cos of [ower shift, i think its high time we d people tell our so call leaders we dont recognise zoning, this is the major problem now, they cant think of how to balance the equation now?

In a true federation, zoning is an aberation just like quota system and the like. Yet until we are ready to confront the issue of true federalism in 9ja headlong, we'll keeping marking time while the rest of the world advances in progress

Zoning, Quota system, catchment area, federal character, etc are all the rigmarols we are doing to keep Nigeria "one".
Yet, Nigeria is not one, has never been and will never be. Meanwhile, we can continue to decieve our selves.

Constitutionally, their jobs won't be in danger. Assuming Jonathan becomes President, David Mark will authomatically become the vice, in accordance with the constitution. Note that this situation is not normal therefore zonning will have no effect here. This situation will only help to complete the Yar'dua's tenor. It is untill 2011 when the next election will be held that quota system, zonning and other nonsense stuff will be put into consideration.

jamace:

Assuming Jonathan becomes President, David Mark will authomatically become the vice, in accordance with the constitution.

While this is what is right according to the constitution, it is most unlikely that Mark would become the VP going by the schemings that are already going on.

Whether zoning or rotational presidency is constitutional or not,it is morally right in our polity right now,hence there will be some reshuffling if and only if the VP becomes acting president

While this is what is right according to the constitution, it is most unlikely that Mark would become the VP going by the schemings that are already going on.

Anything contrary to the constitution is dangerous to the corporate existence of Nigeria as a nation.

Zoning is never part of Nigerian constitution but part of PDP constitution, so its not binding on us ok?

really zoning has nothing to do with our constitution,but it is only fair that we allow equal reprsentations from all relevant zones of the country

I hope the leaders of that country will see the problem that the zonal power sharing has caused the nation and hope they will do something to fix it and fast too

They are protecting their own selfish interest

This is not an issue

There is no part of the constitution that says if President is from the South, the Senate President can not be from the North.

Zoning is a mere PDP arrangement. Even the PDP Zoning arrangement is not necessarily in jeopardy if Jonathan becomes President. Zoning is all about allowing all geopolitical zones in the country to feel included in the scheme of things.
I think the zoning arrangement is a very very good thing.

@Jamace

David Mark does not automatically become VP if Jonathan becomes President except Jonathan chooses Mark. Altimately Jonathan will have to choose his VP whoever that may be.

there is no zoning in nigeria constitution.  Any party that is using zone, is doing it on its own, which is illegal under the nigeria constitution. You cant not use zoning in nigeria. or zone a position if you look at the nigeria constitution.  check the nigeria constitution.  The president has the right to pick from any where he want. senate leader or house can be from anywhere. it is illegal. thier job is not affected.


There was no time in Nigeria, where we agree to zone. The whole of the south east, is nearly about the population of oyo state,  how can you zone. It means Oyo state would be a zone. and lagos state must be a zone.  


this is why the need to call remove the yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa state into benin republic.

But note that Jonathan does not need to pick a VP as Acting President.

He can only do that if Yar'adua gets impeached or declared incapacitated by the FEC.

I don't have my copy of the constitution handy and even if i did, i think i'd still require some help from the Lawyers in the house. A question that's been coming up in my mind is, If Jonathan ascends as President, (south) and then He selects a norther as his Vice, will that not put David Mark's Job and consequently Dimeji Bankole's Job in jeopardy? Since their continued occupation in their present offices would negate the zoning system? Is this perhaps the reason why there has been no major headway in the NASS?
Answers please!!!

What the hell you dont make sense when was zoning constitutional? And who cares if dunlop-lipped bankole loses his job?

My quetion here is, do the nominee has rigth over elected?

if not, why are thinking that mark and bankole are in danger

There is no zoning in the nigeria constitution. Zoing was Abacha idea which came from an igboman to cheat other ethnics group.  Abacha was a kanuri man who wanted to deal with the hausa/fulani . so he quickly agree with plan. You see, if you pick from the north. Abacha zoning formula make sure his kanuri people got one representive like the hausa/fulani. Which are at least twice thier population. if you pick 3 people from the north.

You have to pick one from the north west, who is going to be an fulani/hausa man.
One from the middle belt
one from the north east  which must be a kanuri man, because you have already pick a fulani/kanuri man.  Abacha was only playing games with the fulani/hausa people.

If you go to the North east. Bauchi/gombe are mostly fulani/hausa , while borno/yobe are mostly kanuri.   but Adamawa people have a lot of fulani/hausa.

So while the kanuri are in 2 state in the North east. The fulani/hausa are in 4 state. But would not be picked in the silly zoing formular. How fair is that. It was just Abacha 419,  to get kanuri selected alll the time.  And because the plan was coming from an igboman, the igbo got the edge. And some ungodly, wicked igbo p[eople want it to continue. it is not possible.   Now why did they not make it





A nation must be fair to his people.  Zoing is an unfair arrangement. And it is not constitutional.

if you look at what abacha did,  Abacha knew , if he put kano and jigawa into the North east, which is where kano and jigawa is on nigeria. His people would not be selected. so he took adamawa and taraba, which are more  middle state and join it to north east.

he was smart. abacha was only playing with the fulani/hausa people.


And for the igboman who design the whole idea, he want something for his igbo people. So he took, had to destroy the mid west. And created a zone for his own people. And did not care for the mid western people. How fair can that be. most people in river are Ikwerri igbo. They should be in the south east, so also should be akwa ibom and cross rivers. It was a smart move by an igboman , when abacha was in govt. It lead to the arrest of the senate president  before abacha tried to force it on us. see what i mean in this map.

Becoomrich wetin nah? You don come again oooo with your excess maps wey dey everywhere

Look at the South east zone and compare that to ibadan only. You know that Ibadan is bigger. And you want zoing, what hell are you talking about.

There can not be zone in nigeria.

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I cant blv that someone would blv in this zonal thing . . . We are not more in the club age

dont mind them.

i have a question to all of u complaining about the zoning issue. What happens if there was no zoning and then the North as they are all united decided to put up a candidate every four years for elections? would you complain if the President always came from the North since North is more of a unit and the south is divided into yorubas, igbos and the midwest?

panalyst:

i have a question to all of u complaining about the zoning issue. What happens if there was no zoning and then the North as they are all united decided to put up a candidate every four years for elections? would you complain if the President always came from the North since North is more of a unit and the south is divided into yorubas, igbos and the midwest?

If they put up candidates every month and they win every months, that means they have master the game and it is time for other zones to do what they need to do.
i think instead of worrying about zonal nonsense, we need to worry about how to make sure the right people won

panalyst , if the north put up a candidate does not matter, that northerner candidate would lost.  if you look at the satellite pictures. we do not need to go to the north to become president. even if nobody vote for a southern candidate in the north , he can still become president.


So you see, Yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa are the majority in nigeria, we decide who get the president under democracy.


So we need to make a decision now, and remove us into benin republic . if not. it is call democracy. so you northern and igbos should not complain later, when we win all the election. if you fail to remove Yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa into benin republic. So dont complain. when jonathan finish him own, he pass it to mimiko, and mimiko finish, he pass it Uduaghan, he finish, pass it to fashola, if he finish, he pass to akala or akinbobotola. Do not complain after. na democracy.


And really, Yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa can continue to present candidate every 4 years and we may decide to remain president and no northerner or igbo would ever be president under democracy. This is why we are trying to help you, it is call democracy. But  you see we are fair people. and we are only trying to help you people.
we believe in been fair.

So Zoning is alien to the Nigerian constitution? How come all states have Guv, Dep Guv,and Speaker are from different Sen Zones even in states not controlled by PDP?

Becomrich
Are you insane