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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by waldigit: 7:18pm On Aug 06, 2017
plaetton:
With almost daily encounters with Christians out in the streets, on the buses and on airwaves, beckoning anyone who cares to listen to rely on god and accept Jesus, I have come to realize that today's popular religion s , particularly on account of their histories, that the middle East religions have been on permanent membership recruitment drive since their foundings.
In Islam ,for example, not believing in god or renouncing a belief in god can earn one a death sentence.

So, the simple and most important question we ask is :

Does god exist if No one believes in him ?

For the answer to that question, let's ask Zeus, Amen Ra, Ahura Mazda, Apollo , and other dead and forgotten gods whose corpses litter the streets of history.

The one single ingredient that brings a god, any god for that Matter , into existence is Faith.
Without belief/Faith gods have tended to wither and die.

Knowing this fact, the promoters and profiteers of today's religions have , over the millennia, set up many layers of self-defense and self-preservation mechanisms that keeps recruitment permanent, and attrition at the barest minimum.

God, like all imaginary friends , heroes , villains and monsters, ceases to exist the moment people stop believing .
.Without faith you, your spirit man is dead. Faith is what can make you experience God. I connects you with revelation which brings knowledge via experiences. As you what is living you is soul and body. That the state the devil want to put you so you will not the truth. Remember the truth is not a function of what you believe. What you believe is your choice.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by plaetton: 7:28pm On Aug 06, 2017
waldigit:

.Without faith you, your spirit man is dead. Faith is what can make you experience God. I connects you with revelation which brings knowledge via experiences. As you what is living you is soul and body. That the state the devil want to put you so you will not the truth. Remember the truth is not a function of what you believe. What you believe is your choice.

Again, let me put it to you.
Can belief and faith in Santa Claus or the ToothFairy make me experience either of these two supernatural entities ?
Is it the devil that is making you not see the truth of Santa or the ToothFairy ?

Is it also the lack of faith or the devil that robbed the former worshippers of Zeus , Ra , Apollo, etc, and made these supernatural entities wither away and die ?

Does having faith in something make that thing real ?
If so, what happened to all the dead and forgotten gods of history ? Lack of faith in them killed them ?

Do you now see how you have unwittingly made my argument for me ? That faith and belief sustains God, and without it, god is dead ( non-existent) ?

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:43pm On Aug 06, 2017
plaetton:


You have your definition of everything. You tend to define things to suit yourself or your beliefs.

There are people who have deified humans , elements of nature , natural and planetary bodies ; as an atheist , you reject the deification of these things not denying their existence .

Firstly, I don't believe in anything deified, except of course, the Toothfairy. wink

Exactly sir ! So you are not exactly rejecting the mind behind the existence of everything , you just don't see it as 'God' .

That's why atheos in greek means godless - 'I have no gods' which means I don't deify things or confer the godhood upon anything

Modern atheists are really confused . Extricate yourself from this quandary sir ! Before its too late .

I also know that there is absolutely ZERO evidence of a MIND(?) behind the existence of everything.
At most, the existence of such a mind is nothing but speculative.

Oh please not your usual arguments from incredulity

Natural laws or processes do not create anything . The universe is an like an abode not a creator of things

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by waldigit: 7:56pm On Aug 06, 2017
plaetton:


Again, let me put it to you.
Can belief and faith in Santa Claus or the ToothFairy make me experience either of these two supernatural entities ?
Is it the devil that is making you not see the truth of Santa or the ToothFairy ?

Is it also the lack of faith or the devil that robbed the former worshippers of Zeus , Ra , Apollo, etc, and made these supernatural entities wither away and die ?

Does having faith in something make that thing real ?
If so, what happened to all the dead and forgotten gods of history ? Lack of faith in them killed them ?

Do you now see how you have unwittingly made my argument for me ? That faith and belief sustains God, and without it, god is dead ( non-existent) ?
Yes that exactly what I am trying to say God does not exist because that's a fact you have chosen to believe but that's not necessarily the truth. The truth is independent of your belief system. But it is your responsibility to find out the truth, if you choose otherwise the consequence is better imagine than experienced. Best of luck.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by plaetton: 8:02pm On Aug 06, 2017
waldigit:

Yes that exactly what I am trying to say God does not exist because that's a fact you have chosen to believe but that's not necessarily the truth. The truth is independent of your belief system. But it is your responsibility to find out the truth, if you choose otherwise the consequence is better imagine than experienced. Best of luck.

If you make a proposition that god or something exists, then you are the one saddled with the responsibility to prove it. You can't tell me to accept it first before it becomes true or apparent.
My own is to reject any ridiculous proposition that lacks proof.
For example, I cannot ask you to prove that the Sun exists because everything in our immediate solar system experiences the effects of sunlight or lack of it.
But this god you talk of, is created in your mind accordingly with the mental and intellectual configuration of your mind( the reason that there many religions and many gods).

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by Barywhyte(m): 8:23pm On Aug 06, 2017
One type of argument I won't get myself involved in is this issue of whether god exist or not. It's fruitless, baseless and ungodly too. If you say there is no such personality as God, the Bible says you are fool. That settles it! I strongly believe that. Why going into arguments with a fool? Before you know it, he turns you into a fool.

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by hopefulLandlord: 8:32pm On Aug 06, 2017
Barywhyte:
One type of argument I won't get myself involved in is this issue of whether god exist or not. It's fruitless, baseless and ungodly too. If you say there is no such personality as God, the Bible says you are fool. That settles it! I strongly believe that. Why going into arguments with a fool? Before you know it, he turns you into a fool.

this guy just proved his imaginary friend is real

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by plaetton: 9:02pm On Aug 06, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


this guy just proved his imaginary friend is real

Funny logic, isn't it.
It is ungodly to argue or disapprove the existence of God.
Can you just imagine the level of cognitive dissonance involved in this logic shocked
This is what I meant that the promoters of these dying myths grafted a built-in self-preservation mechanism to checkmate the inevitable fallouts from the use of Common sense.

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by waldigit: 10:04pm On Aug 06, 2017
plaetton:


If you make a proposition that exists, then you are the one saddled with the responsibility to prove it. You can't tell to accept it first before it becomes true or apparent.
My own is to reject any ridiculous proposition that lacks proof.
For example, I cannot ask you to prove that the Sun exists because everything in our immediate solar system experiences the effects of sunlight or lack of it.
But this god you talk of, is created in your mind accordingly with the mental and intellectual configuration of your mind( the reason that there many religions and many gods).

Do you know that men in history killed themselves over the truth about solar system. Some opined that earth was flat and is the centre of solar sys. For centuries the truth still remain unchanged until men came to terms with it.
You are as limited as what you know and your perception.
You are wired to know the truth. Thats why your maker expects you to do because you can, except you choose not to do it.Shalom.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by Zither: 8:38am On Aug 07, 2017
plaetton:


You still don't get it.

A Christian person who has an OBE would undoubtedly attribute the experience to an angelic or Jesus experience.
A moslem who has an OBE would also attribute the experience to his particular religious belief.
Likewise, a pagan who has an OBE would also attribute the experience to his ancestral spirits or gods.
Your god is created in your mind, and fits perfectly into whatever mold your mind builds to house him/her/it.
This is the point that continues to elude you. undecided

I have had many lucid dreams and OBEs. Yes. And I am an atheist.
And such experiences did nothing to point out that there is an invisible skydaddy up there.

Again, you keep digressing and dodging the point. Quit the lecture and provide proofs, examples to back your opinion up. For example, give me a name or two of Muslims who died for hours, were certified dead but came back to life and reported having experienced and seen Allah. Prove your point.

Besides, you have managed to avoid giving any explanation regarding the possibility of a person dying and coming back to life even after being certified dead by medical practitioners. The longest a person can stay without oxygen supply to the brain is 4 - 6 minutes at which time resuscitation is possible. However, after the elapse of that time frame the brain function becomes dead which means the person dies and nothing medical science can do to help them. They are pronounced dead and the time which death occurred is recorded. When a person comes back to life after being brain dead for a very long period of time it is called resurrection. Tell me how Daniel Ekechukwu and Dean Braxton manage to defy science and come back to life after hours of being certified dead.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by Zither: 8:46am On Aug 07, 2017
NPComplete:


**Sigh** Not all of them sees God. Some see light. Some see their family members. Some see their own gods. I am sure if we go back some centuries, some will have seen Zeus or Odin.

http://www.horizonresearch.org/near-death/intro-to-the-nde-phenomena/religion-culture-and-near-death-experiences/

The problem is paucity of information from non-western sources. I will find some very intriguing ones and post it later

Until you post the more intriguing sources this link is balderdash as it is just lectures on the subject.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by NPComplete: 8:56am On Aug 07, 2017
Zither:


Until you post the more intriguing sources this link is balderdash as it is just lectures on the subject.

What sort of senseless argument is this? Lectures on the subject is less valid than the anecdotal evidence u have of people seeing God? U are giving me an example of what u claim people saw. And I just gaveu other examples of what other people claim people saw but somehow u think your example is more valid?

I am not even going to waste my time fishing for those sources anymore. Keep wallowing in ur illogical sense of superiority. Cheers.

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Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by plaetton: 4:48pm On Aug 07, 2017
NPComplete:


What sort of senseless argument is this? Lectures on the subject is less valid than the anecdotal evidence u have of people seeing God? U are giving me an example of what u claim people saw. And I just gaveu other examples of what other people claim people saw but somehow u think your example is more valid?

I am not even going to waste my time fishing for those sources anymore. Keep wallowing in ur illogical sense of superiority. Cheers.
It just shows you how the religious brain is wired .
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by JMAN05: 4:26am On Aug 14, 2017
plaetton:


When did you start worshipping me as a god ?

That's not the meaning of my words. But let's go along with what you make of it. Assuming someone stops worshipping you or another person, does that make you or that one wither and die?
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by plaetton: 1:36pm On Aug 14, 2017
JMAN05:


That's not the meaning of my words. But let's go along with what you make of it. Assuming someone stops worshipping you or another person, does that make you or that one wither and die?

Why would anyone worship me ?

Secondly, for someone to admire me , have reverence for me or worship me ,the person has to have had seen me, interacted with me or directly influenced by me, and be assured that I exist, not conveniently invisible and living in the sky or some imaginary place.
In other words, I have an identity that is not in doubt. I have flesh and blood. I have a family, friends, etc. I am not self-begotten. I am not a mystery. Therefore, anyone foolish enough to worship me as a god suffers the same delusions that the worshippers of middle east gods suffer.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by JMAN05: 10:30pm On Aug 17, 2017
plaetton:


Why would anyone worship me ?

Secondly, for someone to admire me , have reverence for me or worship me ,the person has to have had seen me, interacted with me or directly influenced by me, and be assured that I exist, not conveniently invisible and living in the sky or some imaginary place.
In other words, I have an identity that is not in doubt. I have flesh and blood. I have a family, friends, etc. I am not self-begotten. I am not a mystery. Therefore, anyone foolish enough to worship me as a god suffers the same delusions that the worshippers of middle east gods suffer.

The delusion is not the issue here, the issue is that his halt in worshiping you doesn't make you inexistent.

People can worship whomever they wish, whether they ve seen the person or not, but they are sure he/she exists. Someone can still have the same reverence for you, a movie star, an artiste etc etc, even when they ve not seen the person. Now if they cease worshiping this person, that doesn't make the person inexistent. The point: Not worshiping God doesn't make him vanish. I just don't see how your point is plausible. That's all.
Re: The Simplest Proof That God Doesn't Exist. by obisco4u: 11:59pm On Aug 17, 2017
This is a brilliant post. Christians are really scared because their schemes will soon come to light.
The "End Times" that christians talk about is NOT the end of the world or when jesus will come, NO. The "End Times" is when humanity will discover that the stupidest story ever told and the idea of a god and christianity IS ALL A BIG LIE. End time is the end of christianity.
Just like OP said, if no one belives in god, then the idea is dead!

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