Opiletool:


LOL!

Olu317:
Yes ooo.Imagine such fallacious information that distort Adimunia's history. The man was associated with Ram killing for sacrifice. Then the man was associated with God of the sky (Eledumare). The method used to worship God is still being done forever to to pay worship God. . The man was associated with the burial of their ancestors/Descendants in an ENGRAVE CIRCLE ROUND his descendants at ILE IFE. The man was associated with IRUNMOLE worshipping. What are these people feeling like? They want glory by force by trying to create a mysterious IZODUWA,, who was chased away because he was a WEAKLING, now metamorphose into a warrior king. Absolute,grade A LIES ... someone like isn't just ordinary Yoruba because I know deep part of my history.....

Opiletool:


What baffles me is the fact that, the story of this Izoduwa never existed even orally until one egoistic king of their's started writing the fictional events.
HHow can someone just wake up and Base a conclusion on a vague assumption that the so called Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa must have been the one that ended up at ile-ife?
I don't blame them though, I rather blame the custodians of our history who did little to refute this ridiculous fiction which has become a big delusion for them.

Sadly we'll continually drag this issue back and forth because we're all poor at telling our stories as regard to history. Imagine, we all [igbo /hausa/yoruba] don't even know where we all come from. We rely on the whites to tell our history. So sd that their haven't been any effort worthy of commendation as regards to making an empirical research on this issue. Yet we have professors of history. There are questions of where and how did we arrive here before separating into different ethnics begging for answers. That is what I'm really hoping to read one day.

Opiletool:


What baffles me is the fact that, the story of this Izoduwa never existed even orally until one egoistic king of their's started writing the fictional events.
HHow can someone just wake up and Base a conclusion on a vague assumption that the so called Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa must have been the one that ended up at ile-ife?
I don't blame them though, I rather blame the custodians of our history who did little to refute this ridiculous fiction which has become a big delusion for them.

Sadly we'll continually drag this issue back and forth because we're all poor at telling our stories as regard to history. Imagine, we all [igbo /hausa/yoruba] don't even know where we all come from. We rely on the whites to tell our history. So sd that their haven't been any effort worthy of commendation as regards to making an empirical research on this issue. Yet we have professors of history. There are questions of where and how did we arrive here before separating into different ethnics begging for answers. That is what I'm really hoping to read one day.

Olu317:
My dear brother, a lot need be done .The reality is that they find Yoruba story very hard to believe because of the certain tradition peculiar to them. Don't blame the white because, they were looking for a lost people, whom the white have read about in the Bible. However, I strongly believe that most of these professors are not looking at the right place for Yoruba history,which is best known to them. Egypt has record of people that had lived there over thousands of years and Yoruba at one time lived in that country but under a different name. Have you for once, ask why and what does Ora mean in Yoruba?There are many names in Yoruba land today that has similarity with ancient names of Egypt, yet these historians always try to subdue the truth or try to knock it off. Until lately that some scholars have begun to agree that ILE IFE had moved to different locations for more than 7 times. A lot need be done to perfect our history from where we migrated from. In due season, we will get there.

Olu317:
My dear brother, a lot need be done .The reality is that they find Yoruba story very hard to believe because of the certain tradition peculiar to them. Don't blame the white because, they were looking for a lost people, whom the white have read about in the Bible. However, I strongly believe that most of these professors are not looking at the right place for Yoruba history,which is best known to them. Egypt has record of people that had lived there over thousands of years and Yoruba at one time lived in that country but under a different name. Have you for once, ask why and what does Ora mean in Yoruba?There are many names in Yoruba land today that has similarity with ancient names of Egypt, yet these historians always try to subdue the truth or try to knock it off. Until lately that some scholars have begun to agree that ILE IFE had moved to different locations for more than 7 times. A lot need be done to perfect our history from where we migrated from. In due season, we will get there.

RedboneSmith:


By the 12th century, the 21st Ooni was already reigning in Ile-Ife, if the radiocarbon-dating for the Luwo pavements match the oral tradition.

The 'Oduduwa Era' must have begun by the 9th or 10th century.

PrinceOgun:



Story Story......sSTORY

Olu317:
Is this not inferiority complex on your path? You can't even use your EDO /IDU/AKA/IKA names as your username? You people were and are perpetually looking unto Yoruba culture for fruitfulness.

You dey craze

Ogun was the Edo name given to oba Ewaure the First at birth, who is now worshiped as a diety by Edo people and of course our Yoruba children had to copy thier father!

This is one of the reasons I really dislike yoruba people. Why do you keep making all these laughable claims ?
Can you provide any proof of the Palace of Omo n'Oba n'Edo ever speaking yoruba ?
The Oba was visited by countless europeans in the middle ages and none of them said "he was speaking yoruba", actually your yoruba didn't even exist as a people nor as a land. The reason why people hate you guys is that not only you are inventing your "history", but you want to rewrite other people's to suit your previous creations. Our history is well documented in the british museum and in several european libraries. You people keep trying to steal our history by claiming everything which is ours.
The british stole our Bronzes from our Oba Ovonramwen's palace, and then the yoruba went on to claim that they taught the Edo how to make that Bronze. Even the title of our King "Oba" you people copied. You also had to go on and claim we were from ife. You had to go on and claim that our Kings used to be buried in ife...Why are you guys obsessed with us, let us be !!!!!
The worse is that you idiots don't even know our name, we are not "bini" we are Edo ! You are trying to rewrite our history while you don't even know our name.

rhektor:

How would the British who did not understand the languages tell what language was been spoken? I'm not saying he was right to have asserted that the yoruba language was spoken in the Benin palace but to refute it with British not stating that is joke in itself. I still find it difficult to believe that the Edo will Speak Yoruba in the palace but this should be refuted in way that will not make mockery of common sense

Olu317:
Information bring forth enlightenment and if such information is contested based on ego, then there is any basis. However, information I have given on this platform is supposed to be verified if some people feel bittered about the truth. The earlier the better for some people to get acquitted with the truth rather than the assumption without fact to counter my submission based on research . I am not one of those that engage in falsified info and I will reaffirm it again that Yoruba language was spoken in BINI court in the past!

rhektor:

How would the British who did not understand the languages tell what language was been spoken? I'm not saying he was right to have asserted that the yoruba language was spoken in the Benin palace but to refute it with British not stating that is joke in itself. I still find it difficult to believe that the Edo will Speak Yoruba in the palace but this should be refuted in way that will not make mockery of common sense

googi:
Can not believe this new denial that Yoruba was the lingual franca in Benin palace similar to Itsekiri. Read the Oba of Benin book that started this novel theory of Oduduwa.

He translated Benin to Yoruba as Ile-Ibinu. He translated Eweka to Owo mi ka.

Soon you guys will deny you ever bear Yoruba names if you belong to the royal family.

All the novel theory started because Ogiso has never accepted Oba and Oba has to lease the land each time at coronation from Ogiamen.

Now, do you have to speak Italian and German to tell the difference, if you are exposed to both?

There are Kora that speak your language better than you. Portuguese cannot speak your language but you took pride in your Oba speaking foreign language.

You guys are just using pedestrian logic since no serious historian will even touch your rejected Oba in Benin looking for relevance with igbale.

Olu317:
Let them continue in the denial of the truth. And we will see where it will leads them all. They will soon turn around and tell us that Yoruba language developed from EDO. Yet Yoruba don't bear their names but reverse is the case. Cancerous pride is in the blood of many of them. They killed the last ogiamien and declared him missing for more than ten years , Just to stop the ceremony to showcase that Bini was ancestrally of Yoruba lineage and that Oba BINI and the oranmiyan entourage are tenant on that land

Christistruth00:



According to ancient history Oduduwa did not travel from the east alone he came with the ancestors of the Kanuri"s of Borno state ,and with the ancestors of the Gobir Hausa who were reputed to be his brothers and also the ancestors of the Bariba tribe. The Kanuri have an Oral history which confirms this relationship with Oduduwa the father of the Yoruba.

Christistruth00:



According to ancient history Oduduwa did not travel from the east alone he came with the ancestors of the Kanuri"s of Borno state ,and with the ancestors of the Gobir Hausa who were reputed to be his brothers and also the ancestors of the Bariba tribe. The Kanuri have an Oral history which confirms this relationship with Oduduwa the father of the Yoruba.

macof:


there is no such history.

Olu317:
Yeah ,I read something close to that but I don't agree on the part that Odua was a brother to those you mentioned. Perhaps, his greatness was heard and many theories begun by different scholars. The reason I said this was because, Yoruba had a system that's different and tradition or beliefs without Islamic influence that were alien to these other groups. Upbringing of children—to freedom to aspire to be be the greatest was well enshrined in Yoruba beliefs, Yoruba had more Twins etc. Again, Take for instance, Ba —Abba—UBa mean father, this word is alien to all groups except Yoruba enclave only. The method of connecting and praying to God by oneself, which is embedded in Éri(Ori) ,which mean head is different from others .Secondly, Odua,his ancestors knew a God called El—edumare and the method of worshiping El—edumare was done in an open place, although away from prying eyes, while in this place, a circle is made with Éfun(Chalk-potash) and every other things are put in place to pray to God. Thirdly, the Yoruba were developed scientifically before arrival at this part of the world because, the Beads made by Yorubas were more advanced than the Caucasians—Europeans as far back as over 1,000 years ago etc and no West African had similarity with the production of this beads. Again, Yoruba fabric known as Aso Okè—Ofi etc were different from all sub Sahara fabrics yet there were other fabric before Yoruba emergence but this fabric emerged out of nowhere through Yoruba and were different .If truly, outside intermarriages,The Yoruba or Odua and his group were related to the Hausas, Kanuri, Fulani, Igala, Nupe etc, the development would have been at par or closely related either via religious beliefs or otherwise but am yet to actually pin such down . This doesn't mean that humanity as a whole didn't descended via same link but the fact is that at a point in time , evolution through human development made all differ. This is the reason, there are different development in different places but to achieve same goal as a force to be reckon with. However, if you have evidence to proof the connection, I shall be delighted reading it.

Christistruth00:


It is in Samuel Johnsons book "History of the Yorubas " published in 1921 and the Kanuri's told me this History when I lived in Maiduguri, that their own ancestors and Oduduwa the father of the Yorubas were brothers and that they had travelled from the east together.
The ancestors of the Kanuri settled around lake Chad while Oduduwa and his group continued their journey till they got to Ile ife in todays Osun state. According to the Bariba tribe the starting point of their journey was Yemen in Arabia after the Muslims drove out the Pagans who refused to convert.

macof:
And that has been debunked, a debunked claim loses it's right to be called History#

no historian regards that as history in 2018

Christistruth00:


That history is still fact , revisionist propaganda can not debunk history especially when it is corroborated by many different sources.

macof:

what evidence exists to prove that claim accurate?

Christistruth00:


Loads and Loads you heard the Itsekiri,Ijaw,Kanuri ,Bariba and British versions but are still not happy, how many different tribes corroborated your own version?
I have not even mentioned the version that Sultan Bello of Sokoto told Clapperton that the Yoruba are a remnant of the Children of Canaan who were driven out of Arabia.

macof:

I ask for evidence you give me this post?

I have never come across Itsekiri, Ijaw,Kanuri ,Bariba and British versions of Yoruba origin or Odudwa's origin

and i wonder why ijaw, kanuri and Bariba would have a tradition about Yoruba origin when they haven't finished with theirs

Sorry i do not have a version, i don't formulate history like Sultan sokoto or the people you hold in high esteem. Yoruba traditions about origins might not be clear as spring water but it sure is clear enough to conclude a very much west african origin of the yorubas. And it appears you assume Yoruba started with Oduduwa. I don't even know where to begin with you, as you are still too naive and ignorant to see the very common errors of these claims, maybe as you read more books you will learn to tell the difference between falsification and valid history
I recommend, books from Prof. Eluyemi and prof. Akintoye

The children of canaan were never in arabia to begin with! Canaan was clearly separate from Arabia.