AxxeMan:
HATERS BETTER BOW DOWN TO GREATNESS BEFORE YOU DIE YOUNG!!

Lol, leave them they won't grab sense until they die

step1:


Shut the Bleep then and stop this awori bini connection. You can bring up Lagos is bini and yet no connection with yorubas. What is wrong with this new generation of ignorant boys

Oyaaaaaaa.... For your mind

SMH

#OldGenerationBoy

valirex:


Lol, leave them they won't grab sense until they die

Abi oo

KUBA1987:
I am starting to think you guys really don't understand english.
the autour of that book is still alive.
She is not doing anything different from you when you make claims and provide no proof.
She is in no way an eye witness of the event which she describes, because the event allegedly takes place around 600 years before she was born. Now one would like to know what historical document she is using as reference, but that doesn't seem to matter to you and you don't point that out and neither does she.
What you need to do is to go after historical documents (written by eye witnesses, or at least written in the period being studied).
The fact that the author is white and specializes in history of arts doesn't change the fact that this is not a historical document.
Do you have brains at all ?

It seems I made a mix up, Suzanne doesn't make these claims, these claims were made by a person of lesser reputation than Suzanne. Indeed Suzanne only writes the second text, not the first one. So sorry Madame Suzanne.

1260: Ife-Ife, Yoruban culture of non-Bantu Kwa-speakers, flourished in western Africa, producing remarkable terra cotta and bronze portrait heads, continuing Nok creative traditions.

Ancient West African City Typologies: Ife (Baobab Project: GIS):
http://baobab.harvard.edu/gis/WestAfricanCity/Ife/ifecity.html
Ife: An Ancient Yoruba City State (Baobab Project: Narratives), with maps:
http://baobab.harvard.edu/narratives/ife/Ife_intro.html

Examples & Descriptions of Ife Sculpture (Prof. Oguibe, Univ. of So. Florida):
[url]http://satie.arts.usf.edu/~ooguibe/africa7.htm Sorry! Link is broken, Dec. 2001.[/url]

The World of the Yoruba: Ritual and Performance in Yorubaland (Anthropology/Africana Studies 267: Peoples and Cultures of Africa, Prof. Misty Bastian, Franklin and Marshall College, Lancaster, PA):
http://www.fandm.edu/Departments/Anthropology/Bastian/ANT269/yoru.html

Oni of Ife, Nigeria (Daniel Laine, Kings of Africa, Tamarin):
[url] http://www.tamarin.com/king/kindire1.html [/url]

Benin was a great empire but only came after Ile-ife which is not an empire.

KUBA1987:
The ooni of ife didn't meet the europeans until the 19th century. And some people want to claim he used to be important.
You guys are players. The real kings of Africa all met the europeans around the 15th century or before, because the europeans were in desperate need of strong trading partners. The insignificance of the ooni of ife is such that either his throne is very new either he never was relevent and thus nobody went after him.

I would not dispute you claim will address it based on logic. Benin was a great empire no doubt. That does not mean it come before other great empires. The fact that Ife might not have commanded any influence does not mean it did not come before Benin.

Why are some people so ignorant.

Even the Yoruba Oba Omo N Oba or Eweka claimed a paternal relationship to Yoruba after he was called a son that made good in another land.

So how reasonable is it for children to claim NO relationship whatsoever?

Stop running from yourselves. If the Akenzua children accept their Yoruba-ness. Who the hell are their commoners, faceless e-warriors?

This obsession of who met Europeans first is so shameful like America did not exist until Columbus. Please grow up.

Please note Prof. Peter Ekeh on Bala Usman on who named Yoruba and Yoruba contact with Arab before European contact.

http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/BalaUsman/MischiefInHistory.html

I will leave the Yoruba to defend themselves. But it is noteworthy that Bala Usman chose Bolaji Akiyemi as a spokesman for the Yoruba, making mincemeat from his weak presentation of the Yoruba case. Even his detractors must acknowledge that Bala Usman’s campaign against the integrity of the history of Yoruba has masterful cruelty in it. It questions the origins of the name "Yoruba." As far as Bala Usman is concerned, that name was an imperial donation from the North. I am intrigued by Usman’s argument on this score. Note his words well. He says,

The fact is that, the earliest record we have of the use of the very name "Yoruba" was in the Hausa language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alafinate of Oyo. This came from the writings of the seventeenth century Katsina scholar, Dan Masani (1595-1667), who wrote a book on Muslim scholars of the 'Yarriba.' But it was from a book of the Sarkin Musulmi Bello, written in the early nineteenth century, that the name became more widely used. The Bishop Ajayi Crowther, the Reverend Samuel Johnson, and his brother Obadiah Johnson, among others, came, in the nineteenth century, to widely spread this Hausa name to the people who now bear it, in their writings.

So what is Bala Usman’s proof that the name "Yoruba" is an "Hausa name"? It is so, to repeat, because, he says, "the earliest record [sic] we have of the use of the very name 'Yoruba' was in the Hausa language" -- from the writings of a man born in 1595! [b]But in fact the name Yoruba was used by a Timbucktu theologian, Ahmad Baba, who was already a distinguished scholar long before Dan Masani was born in 1595. [/b]Moreover, Ahmad Baba (1556-1627) wrote in Arabic, not in the Hausa language. Ahmad Baba was captured along with other Songhai intellectuals by Moroccan Arab invaders of Songhai in 1591 – four years before Bala Usman’s Dan Masani was born -- and was taken to the Maghreb[/b]. On his return from captivity, Ahmad Baba complained bitterly, saying Muslims, Arab or African, were not supposed to be enslaved, as he was: "The Muslims among [the Blacks], like the people of Kano, Katsina, Bornu, Gobir, and all of Songhai are Muslims, who are not to be owned. Yet some [Muslims] transgress on the others unjustly by invasion as do the Arabs, Bedouins, who transgress on free Muslims and sell them unjustly" (see Hilliard 1985: 162). But in further argument with Arabs, Ahmad Baba allowed that non-Moslem Blacks, on account of their lack of faith, could be enslaved. Among these were the Yoruba. Ahmad Baba's infamous words were as follows:

Those who come to you from the following [sic] clans: the Mossi, the Gurma, the Busa, the Yorko, the Kutukul, the [b]Yoruba, the Tanbugbu, the Bobo are considered non-believers who still adhere to non-belief until now.... You are allowed to own all these without questioning. This is the ruling about these clans, and Allah, the Highest, knows and judges (please see Baba c1622: 137).

These words were penned when Bala Usman’s Dan Masani was a teenager. There is no evidence whatsoever that Ahmad Baba knew of the Yoruba through the Hausa or the Fulani who, like Dan Masani, spoke and wrote the Hausa language.

Stop claiming things when you have no proof to back them up.
I don't want to enter an other sensless debate with a yoruba fellow, you guys have a problem with facts and logics.
You decide things without having proof. Your are so ethnocentric that you can't even imagine it possible for someone to not place your "tribe" at the center of the world.
You don't know when Benin Kingdom/Empire started its existance. The first litterate people who visited the area met Benin Empire. And that is where it ends. Now all other talk is futile.

Theydontcare:


Benin was a great empire but only came after Ile-ife which is not an empire.

Yariiba

Trying to escape thier naming by the Hausa Fulani


Hahahahaha

This is so wrong in so many manners.

1) It is Omo n'Oba n'Edo

2) The event which you are trying to lie about didn't involve Oba Eweka

3) Our Oba and his subjects fought hard to get the hell out of the south-west in which the yoruba were trying to force their culture upon all others and had no respect for all that was not yoruba.

4) We are not yoruba and never will be, deal with it !

jara:
Why are some people so ignorant.

Even the Yoruba Oba Omo N Oba or Eweka claimed a paternal relationship to Yoruba after he was called a son that made good in another land.

So how reasonable is it for children to claim NO relationship whatsoever?

Stop running from yourselves. If the Akenzua children accept their Yoruba-ness. Who the hell are their commoners, faceless e-warriors?

This obsession of who met Europeans first is so shameful like America did not exist until Columbus. Please grow up.

KUBA1987:
This is so wrong in so many manners.

1) It is Omo n'Oba n'Edo

2) The event which you are trying to lie about didn't involve Oba Eweka

3) Our Oba and his subjects fought hard to get the hell out of the south-west in which the yoruba were trying to force their culture upon all others and had no respect for all that was not yoruba.

4) We are not yoruba and never will be, deal with it !

Oba Ewaure even said at his coronation right in front of thier useless ooni that the oduduwa they worship was a casted away Benin prince

jara:
Please note Prof. Peter Ekeh on Bala Usman on who named Yoruba and Yoruba contact with Arab before European contact.

http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/BalaUsman/MischiefInHistory.html

Great excerpt. I love to see historical minds in this forum

Is this why Oba Bini went past his ancestor in Ife to pay homage and respect in Sokoto!

His Benefactor.

Has Bini been ever recognized or invited as a regional traditional ruler from the South when regional leaders meet?

Just asking.


[q[b][/b]uote author=KUBA1987 post=64377321]This is so wrong in so many manners.

1) It is Omo n'Oba n'Edo

2) The event which you are trying to lie about didn't involve Oba Eweka

3) Our Oba and his subjects fought hard to get the hell out of the south-west in which the yoruba were trying to force their culture upon all others and had no respect for all that was not yoruba.

4) We are not yoruba and never will be, deal with it !


[/quote]

We Edo have no relationship with ife or yoruba.
The land of our ancestors is in Benin Kingdom, not in ife.
The Sultan of Sokoto visited Omo n'Oba n'Edo twice and visiting him was a very good thing to do, I wish there will be more visits and interactions between both Kingdoms. I would also like more interactions with the south-east.
Our Oba's ancestors are Edo they have nothing to do with ife.
Keep your silly stories for your retarded and mentally ill.
Now feel free to discuss with yourself or other decerebrated people from yaba.
I have left the building.

jara:
Is this why Oba Bini went past his ancestor in Ife to pay homage and respect in Sokoto!

I did not come here to exchange insults with ignoramus that cannot point to any authority more than a book written by a Yoruba Oba of Bini about 20 years ago, trying to crash Ogiso dynasty with strong resistance of Ogiamen.

He settled them by leasing a land at every coronation. They had no choice anyway, Oranmiyan crushed their forefathers resistance.

If he knew the history of Ogiso, he would have known that Ekhanleran founded Ughoton where he is celebrated every year.

Theydontcare:


I would not dispute you claim will address it based on logic. Benin was a great empire no doubt. That does not mean it come before other great empires. The fact that Ife might not have commanded any influence does not mean it did not come before Benin.

I am not sure either you are afraid to infer the truth or you want to psyche up the present Edo—Bini people to feel weighty beyond historical account . This is because, in all the contact the Portuguese had with Bini , they thought she controlled everywhere until truth came forth through questioning of the Oba Bini,who pointed to IFE ( Uhe in Bini)as the place his father came from and known with a title called Ooni( corrupted as Oghene by Binis) some later years. This is the reason some of them uses map to assume Bini was an Empire . Bini was a kingdom,that was the way it stood and will stand . An empire will influence the language of the conquered and their descendants will still exist there. There are people in Bénin, Togo, Ghana that claim descendants from ILE IFE. Attah of Igbira testified to the truth that some of their ancestors were of Yoruba origin, So why not call a spade a spade.? Let those proudly Bini that claimed they conquered territories who live outside the shore of Bini that claim no connection with Yoruba ,need be proud of themselves. Isn't it a shame that part of the area some Bini footsoldiers had lived and tried to dethrone the hierarchy in Eastern Yoruba were so many and one was Ondo town which was during the reign of Oba Arisekolasi. In fact, during the uprising, some of the indigenes collided with the Bini soldiers to kill Arisekolasi. And One of Oranmiyan descendant who was known as Prince Derin Ologbenla routed them out and gave Arisekolasi a befitting burial. And install another Yoruba king. Mind you, he didn't take over the kingdom as king. If you go to Ekiti state, you can verify the name and history of USI EKITI. This name and the town existed because of one warrior, a descendant of Oranmiyan known as Prince OLUSI/LUSI. He fought against Edos at Emure, Ado Ekiti etc to help his relatives whenever he was called upon. Mind you, he didn't overthrew the king and assume the position of the king. I mentioned two out of many. ILE IFE was a sacred and spiritual and physical home and was not expected to be an Empire. The instructions was always go out and bring fortune and greatness back to ILE IFE. Don't compare ILE IFE and Bini because the towns founded by Ooni descendants are everywhere ,how many towns did Bini dynasty founded? . They don't belong to the same class.


Cheers

N. B: Bini map by Professor OSARHIEME BENSON OSADOLOR

So the Oba of Benin finally went back home to visit like a good son that made good outside.

Is it really necessary to keep on repeating the same points over and over again when it has been established convincingly beyond any shadow of doubt that both Ogiso and Oba came from Ife.

There were original people there, the Efa and Oru over which the two dynasties ruled.

googi:

Is it really necessary to keep on repeating the same points over and over again when it has been established convincingly beyond any shadow of doubt that both Ogiso and Oba came from Ife.

There were original people there, the Efa and Oru over which the two dynasties ruled.

Thank you bro!

How many times and how much evidence do scholars have to submit before Edo bow to their Yoruba masters as their source of civilization?

ILE-IFE IS THE OLDEST KINGDOM IN NIGERIA, NOT BINI

Ile-Ife Kingdom is the Oldest Kingdom in Nigeria and 2nd oldest Kingdom after Sahelian kingdom of Ghana in West Africa which was recorded from 11th century.
Some historical evidence prove that Ile-Ife was 4th Century while others said Ile-Ife has been in existence in the history of mankind, and the proof shouldn't be known to anyone or recorded.

Greek Historian, Herodotus, the father of History who lived from 4824 BC until 424 BC said about Ife: " According to history there were five ancient cities in Africa between 3000 and 1000 BC of which one was Ife".

According to BBC UK, The kingdom of Ife developed in the rainforest in the 600s. Its art and religion influenced the culture of Benin, which began in the 900s and reached the height of its power between the 1400s and the 1600s.

Between 700 and 1600, there were three great empires in the centre of West Africa: Ancient Ghana, Mali and Songhai.They all grew immensely rich by trading in gold. One of the last great kingdoms was Asante. It was founded around 1700. The Asante people were famous for their work in gold.

The Bini Kingdom that was later destroyed by the British was formed in 1170CE. Bini Kingdom was a neighbouring Kingdom to Ile-Ife Kingdom, and this is why in the history of bini today, the Ruler that established Obaship in bini was from Ile-Ife (Olumense 1719) etc.

The largest ethnic in West Africa sources from Ile-Ife ranging from Nigeria, Benin Republic, Ghana, Gambia etc. The root of some of these ancient tribes in West African countries were traced to Ile-Ife.

Father of history Herodotus, put in his record that the Europeans only attacked Bini kingdom due to disagreement, it is not that there are no other neighbouring kingdoms. If there were no neighbouring kingdom, then the prince of Ile-Ife wont be invited by bini people to rule over their land.

Ile-Ife remains where it is today in a place now called Western Nigeria, but we can see majority of tribes even outside Nigeria tracing their roots to ile-ife. History reveals that Ile-Ife has been existing before historian started putting it in record. Ile-Ife wasn't created by any ruler or king. It was a forest before it was established by the inhabitant and records were taken.

By Prof. Omodion Imafidon
Nigeria, West Africa.

Gossip House

Syogbe:


Greek Historian, Herodotus, the father of History who lived from 4824 BC until 424 BC said about Ife: " According to history there were five ancient cities in Africa between 3000 and 1000 BC of which one was Ife".

Again. This recently-minted lie that you people are spreading without shame. I have asked you people countless time to tell me where in his 'Histories' Herodotus mentioned Ife, let me go and check it out. I've had his book for years. It is on my shelf right now. I have read it. There was no mention of Ife in that book. There is no way Herodotus could have written the quoted sentence up there. How could somebody living in the BC era have written "between 3000 BC and 1000 BC"? People in his time were not reckoning time by BC and AD since Christ hadn't even been born yet. That quote is a fake, and an unintelligent fake at that!

Tell us where in the book Herodotus said that, or share a screenshot of the page and let us read the words for ourselves.

Syogbe:


Father of history Herodotus, put in his record that the Europeans only attacked Bini kingdom due to disagreement, it is not that there are no other neighbouring kingdoms.

Herodotus who lived hundreds of years before Christ recorded the European attack on Benin which happened more than two thousand years later, in AD 1897? Ahn Ahn, boss. Fear God small na.

Some people are hilarious

Herodotus writings before or after Christ has become a distraction to sidestep the main facts published by the writer.

Did Ogiso and Ijaw come from Ife?

RedboneSmith:


Herodotus who lived hundreds of years before Christ recorded the European attack on Benin which happened more than two thousand years later, in AD 1897? Ahn Ahn, boss. Fear God small na.

laiperi:
Herodotus writings before or after Christ has become a distraction to sidestep the main facts published by the writer.

Did Ogiso and Ijaw come from Ife?

How is it a distraction or don't you understand chronology? Explain how someone who died around 425 BC could have written about an attack on Benin that happened in AD 1897. A full 2,321 years before the fact! Na Nostradamus im be?

Show us where Herodotus wrote the things you people are claiming. The book is available online. Screenshot the page and bring, let's see. Stop telling unintelligent lies.

Please forget about Herodotus and answer the pertinent issue.

Herodotus is superfluous here.

laiperi:
Please forget about Herodotus and answer the pertinent issue.

Herodotus is superfluous here.

Herodotus (a pioneer Historian of the Ancient World) was mentioned more than twice and false quotes were attributed to him. I fact-checked them, and the best you can come up with is "forget about Herodotus"?

Boy, you're a joker. Did the writer lie with Herodotus' name or not?

The writer did not mention Herodotus. Stop nah!

Face the real issue of Ogiso and Ijaw.

The Yorubas on this thread are jokers ..... Upon all the awolowo free education smh!!

laiperi:
The writer did not mention Herodotus. Stop nah!

Face the real issue of Ogiso and Ijaw.

Na wa o.
But why are you lying like this

That article was a mess, don't mess yourself up by defending the undefendable.

At best, retouch the article and remove all the nonsense laughable inaccuracies, so the main points will not be lost