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Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:13am On Sep 17, 2017
Malachi 3:10 KJV
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it .


James 1:27 KJV
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


I have observed that the first reference is more preached in the churches more than the second.
this thread is not meant to mock but to correct the habit of selective teaching of the word of God.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by SUPERPACK: 8:22am On Sep 17, 2017
modern day tithe is simply an indoctrination by the pope and church, do the levites still exist?

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 8:23am On Sep 17, 2017
sad when u join pastoral, u'll knw whatsup.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:29am On Sep 17, 2017
SUPERPACK:
tithe is simply an indoctrination by the pope to fund the crusaders.

tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:31am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
sad when u join pastoral, u'll knw whatsup.

bible should be the standard not the circumstances

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by SUPERPACK: 8:39am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself
are u to pay tithe to the levites or pastors?.
are their any pastor who does nt have inheritance, work, or land?

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by xest(m): 8:41am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself
law to who? After christ death are we still living under the law?

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:42am On Sep 17, 2017
SUPERPACK:
are u to pay tithe to the levites or pastors?.
are their any pastor who does nt have inheritance, work, or land?

Levite's are equivalent to full time pastors in this generation. there are pastors who do not do anytin aside the work of God.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 8:43am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


bible should be the standard not the circumstances
whatever. God cannot be mocked. We'll reap what we sow.Mind u,Mal 3:10 trigger. FAITH.U rather serve God with ur tithes. so dat ur life won't remain TIGHT./U kip spending it on sickness.When u pray/exercise it.u'll see the wonders in the word

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by xest(m): 8:43am On Sep 17, 2017
SUPERPACK:
are u to pay tithe to the levites or pastors?.
are their any pastor who does nt have inheritance, work, or land?
. @superpack,thank u for that. Are Nigerian pastors levites? Is Nigeria part of the 12 tribes of Isreal? Pastors have jobs, while some uses church as there work cos of first fruit and tithe offerings

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:44am On Sep 17, 2017
xest:
law to who? After christ death are we still living under the law?

so are u saying old testament is not relevant again??

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:49am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
whatever. God cannot be mocked. We'll reap what we sow.Mind u,Mal 3:10 trigger. FAITH.U rather serve God with ur tithes. so dat ur life won't remain TIGHT./U kip spending it on sickness.When u pray/exercise it.u'll see the wonders in the word

don't be ignorant of the word. Jesus emphasized mercy, judgements and faith more. he sees tithe as lesser tinx.

I am not saying Christians shud not observed it but how many pastor talk more on wht constitute perfect religion as they do to tithing

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 8:52am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


don't be ignorant of the word. Jesus emphasized mercy, judgements and faith more. he sees tithe as lesser tinx.

I am not saying Christians shud not observed it but how many pastor talk more on wht constitute perfect religion as they do to tithing
it depend. on the church u worship.Nobody force anyone to pay tithe.Tell us the name of ur own church

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by xest(m): 8:52am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


so are u saying old testament is not relevant again??
is old testament a law?

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by SUPERPACK: 8:53am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


Levite's are equivalent to full time pastors in this generation. there are pastors who do not do anytin aside the work of God.
a levite is far different from the pastors,
1- they marry only fellow levites
2- the spend the rest of their live in the temple
3- all they do is to serve God, no farming, or selling.
.
modern day pastors have families , marry frm any family,
have land ,
live in their various houses and mansions,
have profitable investments,
have family inheritance etc.
.
they can never be same

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:55am On Sep 17, 2017
many pastors are ignorant of the law of tithing or maybe they don't want to talk abt it sha. tithe according to God is to be brought at the end of every 3years. it should be given to four set of people:
the widow
the Levite's
the fatherless
and the strangers.

the reverse is the case in this generation. many pastors are more conscious of tithes than what the bible says abt wht constitutes the perfect religion which is seen in James 1:27.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by SUPERPACK: 8:55am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
it depend. on the church u worship.Nobody force anyone to pay tithe.Tell us the name of ur own church
here in the anglican church before the church attend your wedding or anybody's burial your tithe and contribution must be up to date, or else the pastors wont come.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:56am On Sep 17, 2017
xest:
is old testament a law?

most of the laws of God are seen in the old testelament sir. it talks more abt the law. especially the books of the prophets
Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 8:59am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
it depend. on the church u worship.Nobody force anyone to pay tithe.Tell us the name of ur own church

don't be deceptive, every church I know observed it every Sunday, I never said its by force

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:00am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
it depend. on the church u worship.Nobody force anyone to pay tithe.Tell us the name of ur own church

don't be deceptive, every church I know observed it every Sunday, I never said its by force.

av they talked on how to help the widow, fatherless and the strangers like that.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:04am On Sep 17, 2017
SUPERPACK:
a levite is far different from the pastors,
1- they marry only fellow levites
2- the spend the rest of their live in the temple
3- all they do is to serve God, no farming, or selling.
.
modern day pastors have families , marry frm any family,
have land ,
live in their various houses and mansions,
have profitable investments,
have family inheritance etc.
.
they can never be same


at that, some pastors are still like levites

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 9:05am On Sep 17, 2017
SUPERPACK:
here in the anglican church before the church attend your wedding or anybody's burial your tithe and contribution must be up to date, or else the pastors wont come.
did they force u to siddon there?Listen. up,wherever u worship/grumble/ nothing change, leave there or God will leave 7.U can't be paying ur tithe and never see change.That one nor dey happen in RCCG,WINNERS,4SQUARE,CCC.even Catholic.

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by Backinfront(m): 9:06am On Sep 17, 2017
SUNDAY SERMON: THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING


I came across this piece on a Whatsapp page and it so represented my views on tithing that I could have written it myself. Please enjoy the read!

The Trial of Pastor Jones (Author unknown)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.

How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis Chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you
Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in Chap. 3, Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: Well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge: By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.
Sentencing....... All Arise .....

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:09am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
did they force u to siddon there?Listen. up,wherever u worship/grumble/ nothing change, leave there or God will leave 7.U can't be paying ur tithe and never see change.That one nor dey happen in RCCG,WINNERS,4SQUARE,CCC.even Catholic.

u are correct abt dat. though, all the churches u have mentioned don't force but still no Sunday will go without talking abt it. av they thoroughly observed the other side like that
Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 9:10am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


don't be deceptive, every church I know observed it every Sunday, I never said its by force.

av they talked on how to help the widow, fatherless and the strangers like that.
yes of cos.U can't plant on a fruitful land and won't reap.Listen up,whether u pay ur tithe in winners/ RCCG, that won't stop them from coming to ur naming/whatever.U invite them(the sec will even announce it on sundays/during fellowship)
Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:14am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
yes of cos.U can't plant on a fruitful land and won't reap.Listen up,whether u pay ur tithe in winners/ RCCG, that won't stop them from coming to ur naming/whatever.U invite them(the sec will even announce it on sundays/during fellowship)

out of context sir. I said all the churches u mentioned do talk and observe tithe every Sunday. do they talk on perfect religion which are in James 1:27 every Sunday??

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:14am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
yes of cos.U can't plant on a fruitful land and won't reap.Listen up,whether u pay ur tithe in winners/ RCCG, that won't stop them from coming to ur naming/whatever.U invite them(the sec will even announce it on sundays/during fellowship)

out of context sir. I said all the churches u mentioned do talk and observe tithe every Sunday. do they talk on perfect religion which are in James 1:27 every Sunday?? do they

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:18am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
yes of cos.U can't plant on a fruitful land and won't reap.Listen up,whether u pay ur tithe in winners/ RCCG, that won't stop them from coming to ur naming/whatever.U invite them(the sec will even announce it on sundays/during fellowship)

do they hav separate session to announce every Sunday that u should visit and help the widow and fatherless like they do to the tithe

do they tell u that tithe is meant for the following:
levites,
widow,
strangers and fatherless


be sincere with ur answers if u are truely a Christian

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Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 9:19am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


u are correct abt dat. though, all the churches u have mentioned don't force but still no Sunday will go without talking abt it. av they thoroughly obverses the other side like that
ofcos,let them talk am,do u think those with "IJEBU AFFINITY aka aradite" go gree give tithe
Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by ipobarecriminals: 9:21am On Sep 17, 2017
lonikit:


out of context sir. I said all the churches u mentioned do talk and observe tithe every Sunday. do they talk on perfect religion which are in James 1:27 every Sunday?? do they
how do u knw that dem nor talk about that on Sunday?Have u been to all?
Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:21am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
ofcos,let them talk am,do u think those with "IJEBU AFFINITY aka aradite" go gree give tithe

respond to my mentions. u are more concern with tithing than the other part. let's balance the equation
Re: Perfect Religion: Why Do Some Pastors Emphasise Mala. 3:10 More Than James 1:27? by lonikit: 9:23am On Sep 17, 2017
ipobarecriminals:
how do u knw that dem nor talk about that on Sunday?Have u been to all?


let's use ur church as case study. do they teach that every Sunday

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