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| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Fhemmmy: 2:51pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
BizBooks:. If you wish to know where a majority of the salvaged cars in Nigeria come from, then look no further than www.copart.com. There, you will understand the true meaning of the word "salvage". When I checked this morning, they had more than 60,000 vehicles in varying degrees of "salvage" ranging from the good, the bad and the ugly. You are very right. As a matter of fact, most of the rides were not even fixed in America, they tool most to Nigeria to fix, cos they wanna be able to use cheap labor, but i will give Nigeria mechanics and body work guys credit, but just that, there are no ways for them to check what is fixed right or not, they just turn it on, and zoom around the block and to them, that is good enuf. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 3:05pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
@Bizbooks and Femmmy Thanks for your comments and insight. Bizbooks there is something you are forgetting; Most people talking about "accident" cars here are not talking about cars that are imported - Most of them are already rolling in their "Tokumbo" cars, some are even expecting pre-orders and cannot even tell if those vehicles are accident or not. The simple reason is that whether Hispanic or Insurance rebuilt - they do well above average jobs; the replacement parts are there and are cheap. The accident they are talking about are those they can see by checking the "Carfax" or "VIN" before buying, meanwhile the one they are currently driving is probably a beyond-repair rebuild. I will not advise anyone to buy a local rebuild except you stay with them at the workshop because Nigerian mechanics are very good at "It will work, just use copper wire, or super glue" BUT out there, the parts are there and cheap and on the average, they do the job, unlike my people here at Owode-Onirin and Ladipo. You would be shocked what will happen IF everyone runs a VIN or Carfax check on the car or SUV they are currently driving. Then you will know how many people have been punked  .For me; overseas rebuild is chassis - The only thing is that our importers that buy accident vehicles as-is should keep up the standard of letting very good workshops handle the rebuild out there before shipping. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Fhemmmy: 3:12pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
^^^ You are very right, replacement is sometimes what made the difference. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by ib612(m): 7:48pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
@Onwan: That's very funny - super glue and copper wire. You've got the explanation out and it's left for those that are less experience on this matter to learn. If we are here to learn, let's read the good explanation that those of us at the front line of buying these cars have offered. Be aware that all this Vin numbers check will not do you the perfect good you seek in a car. That's the honest truth. The buyers have every right to disdain accident cars because they are labelled salvage. They don't really understand the terms as they are used in car title. There are lot of technicalities involved. As Bizbooks rightly said, you'll find the good, bad and the ugly at the auction whether clean, salvaged or non-repairables titles. I've seen a new car that has a bullet run through the glass and a door which was titled non-repairable by the insurance company. Can any one explain why i should not buy such car when it was going for cheap because it can't be driven again in N/America? All that needed changed was the glass and work on the door. Let's ask questions and be sure of what we are selling or buying. There are lot's of deceit in this business also, be it from the major auction company or a major dealer that sells used or new cars. What it's said, is that the responsibilities to declare all that it's necessary is required to be done by the dealer and the buyer to take inspection as full responsibilities. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by mamagee3(f): 7:49pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
We all say no to accidental Cars.  |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 9:01pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
People walk into car shops are buy brand new cars and SUVs; I suppose the reason you are buying the "Tokumbo" in the first place is because you cant afford a brand new one. So, you might want to make it easy on yourself by asking questions and being well researched before you buy. Its easy for anyone to say no to "accident" cars when you live in an environment where you are paying over 3 years for the "New" car you currently drive. I'm sure those recalled Toyota and GM cars are "accident" cars too. We only need some small research and diligence to figure out these titles. For me, once its well rebuilt (overseas), I'm cool with it - "clean", "dirty", "salvage", whatever. 1 Like |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Fhemmmy: 9:37pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
Onwan: I am following your contributions with such respect. Keep it coming |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by beecrofty(m): 10:49pm On Mar 15, 2010 |
Onwan: That is the point, i once bought a Honda Accord, and i think it was an acident car in the states, but was fixed before shipping. After i bought it, i used it for a long time and i never had a single problem with it, infact, i never went to the mechanic for more than once, and i used to travel alot with the car, with the a/c always on, Point is, If the car parts that had problems were replaced, then the car is as good as new. Just like in love-vendor MY RIDE. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Fhemmmy: 1:13am On Mar 16, 2010 |
beecrofty: ummmmm |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 4:16pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
Beecrofty's accord is one example of a good job done before shipping. That is a Tokumbo vehicle. Buyers should buy with confidence once rebuild is done out there. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by seal777(m): 5:34pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
So much words had gone the dealers way in terms of clean and faithful advertisement but how about this : if someone can work hard for 500,000, 1m and above to buy a car, wouldnt it be nice for the same to get some education on how to spend wisely on quality assets too?. It took me years of research to buy a car, in actual sense i started making research on durability, economy, maintainace and possible second hand value of cars at the time when i could hardly afford to buy a tyre. I am lucky to have a car that feels shy to dissapoint me, in actual sense, i am anxiously waiting for the day my car will dissapoint me to betray the trust i have in it, but not along the benin expressway sha o  .As much as the dealers spend time and money learning the trick on how to deceive the buyer ( sorry diplomatic ), the buyer should also spend time and money learning the antics of the business too to get the best out of it. IT TAKES THE SELLER AND THE BUYER TO TANGLE.  |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by lumzy2: 6:47pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
insurance write-off categories determines how bad the car is, In the states you see cars been restricted to get back on the road but can be shipped out of the country, But in the uk, these cars are only sold to companies who will break em. hence stating it as category B. category C - cost of repair is too much. higher than the car's value while category D is little or light damage. Personally i would prefer an accident car with a light damage. something like just replacing the bumper. my reason is u get cars with fair usage and low miles at cheap rates, something u might pay double if non-accident. even residents in the states or abroad where the car is been bought buy these cars too, so cant we buy em too? i only disagree with nasty accident cars cos they might not be safe to drive on our roads, below are 3 types of accident cars, first should as breaking never to get on the road, second one shd be repaired by experts & a vehicle identity check (VIC) must be done b4 ending back 2d road. 3rd one as you can see as light or no damage.some damage could be as a result of wear n tear, the fourth was written cos of mechanical reasons, (which could fix or engine replaced) however, if you do not buy me view about accident cars, can you really afford a clean ride without haggling? the truth is NO, dats y alot of us come online for bargain,
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| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 7:02pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
@Seal777 Thank you for that input, and I'm happy you are also one of those on nairaland that offer advise and help to intending car buyers and current users. I'm particularly happy for users of this forum, you can ask questions and be helped out by the information people will provide; for instance - our cousin who is thinking of buying a China car - I'm sure with comments from nairalanders he will not end up buying a new car with the brain-box merged with the A/C controls. Its very key that people ask questions before buying. @lum_zy If you read carefully you will see a poster sharing an experience about a car with simple bullet holes and tagged "Beyond repair" personally I think buying such a car is a very smart and intelligent move by any car dealer - fixed and shipped out. The thing is, we are in a world where we need all the help we can get BUT there must be a degree of trust between a seller and a buyer. The seller has to be someone who deals with integrity AND the buyer must know what he or she wants. Two things: You can ship the bullets riddled car to Nigeria and our people simply use body-filler to block the holes and "bake" the car and sell as tokumbo, OR a workshop overseas not only sorts out the bodywork for the holes BUT also check the vehicle wiring and interiors for possible damages where we would not ordinarily check. I think it all comes down to our importers doing a good job out there and selling us those tokumbo vehicles. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by lumzy2: 7:28pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
@Onwan i do agree with you but ppl really need get the idea dat not all accident cars are bad. long as its been repaired by experts abroad replacing what needs replacing and servicing wot needs serviced. alot of buyers would normally run-off once the buyer states the car's history. am sure alot sellers wouldn mind been sincere but we knw how ppl badmouth cars here on nairaland hence discouraging prospective buyers. some would make ridiculous offers cos the car has had accident in d past. there are accident cars and dir are accident cars, their prices vary so must reflect on sale prices too, |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Fhemmmy: 7:43pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
lum_zy: Nothing should make a seller sell an accidental cars intentionally pretending to be non-accidental. people will talk and bargain prices regardless, however, that is not enuf reason not to be open with the buyer . . . . . . However, if the seller was not aware of the accidents, then, that is different, but allow the buyers to make a decisions on what they wanna buy. Buyers too need to be real and be educated as per the cost of cars |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 8:00pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
@Lum-zy You are right and I believe we are actually on the same course, same as Femmmy. The solution is that sellers should proudly display their professional overseas rebuild status on any imported vehicle. This is simply because I believe that now, an average user or buyer understands that a good overseas rebuild involves outright replacement or affected part and top of the line general body work - simply because an average shop there has the equipments you will only find in places like Germaine, etc - Lets face it, which of us won't be feeling cool to say "my car was rebuilt by Germaine" ? Buying a 7 year old one-owner car from the US is like buying a second hand car here in Nigeria from a user who bought it brand new 7 years ago here. BUT what if in the 6th year of ownership the car was involved in an accident and most of those parts you would have to change in say 10 years time were all replaced? - It means you simply have a rebuilt car with those parts newly changed and you wont have to bother about those parts for a long time. Im sure that was beecrofty's experience. I see adverts on craigslist and eBay where they proudly state what was changed, and even the cost of changed items - people buy them even before the auction ends. Importers, please proudly post the name of the shops that did the good job online or have their stickers on the car/SUV - I'll be proud to drive a roll-out from one of those hot shops in p.i.m.p my ride. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by BlueMagic2(m): 11:27pm On Mar 16, 2010 |
what is the guaranty/chances that a u wont be involved in an accident with a new car than an accidented car. 50/50. Case in point the new Toyota cars being recalled. So make ur choice! |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Fhemmmy: 1:08am On Mar 17, 2010 |
Blue Magic: Personally, i just think we Nigerians worry so much about things that does not matter that we forget to ask the right questions. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by GeorgeD1(m): 8:50am On Mar 17, 2010 |
i think peeps here have missed the original intent of the poster. while we cannot run away from the fact that not every clean titled car is as clean as claimed by carfax or autocheck, what the poster was crying against is a dealer deliberately importing an accidented vehicle and selling it in on nl as 'clean'. i have personally encountered many of them here and will expose them when the time is right. now, as for the issue of knowingly buying salvage cars, i think it's a free world and people should have choices. for instance if i go to autotrader.com and come across a 2010 salvage camry going for $7,500 and i know the price of the non salvage type, same mileage is in the region of $27,500. depending on my taste, i will instantly see a good bargain and proceed to buy it after factoring in the cost of repairs. i knew the condition of the vehicle before i bought it, so no problem. on the other hand, if a dealer brings in a so-called clean vehicle to sell, believing same to be free of accidents (according to carfax and autocheck) but is is later discovered to be salvage, that is also understandable. he is not omniscient so cannot know all hidden details. he sold that vehicle with 'utmost good faith' which is what is most essential in a business transaction. in fact i have a friend who used to specialise in buying salvage cars at public auctions in the usa. he bids for them on behalf of his clients, buys them and puts them in order. the buyer gets to ride in a newer model car at the price of same car almost 5yrs older. not bad at all considering the buyer got what he wanted and with more than a little extra change in his pocket!  |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 11:07am On Mar 17, 2010 |
@George_D The poster would probably have known what he did not know about your so-called "clean" cars. If someone buys a "salvage" car and rebuilds it overseas as described before shipping to Nigeria - The seller should label it CLEAN. The seller can and should make it more attractive to people who know what they want by advertising what was changed and where it was changed. I see this post about some Highlander you pre-ordered; and I am positive that in your mind you think you are buying a "clean" ride, driven by an "old" woman and probably a "one-owner" ride - and the "Carfax" and "VIN" report checks out very "clean". I'm sure you have not one single idea how things work out there, if you did , you would only be concerned in the vehicle being drivable and hope most of the affected parts (either due for change with time OR one way or the other affected) had being changed before shipping to you. This has nothing to do with your importer - I'm sure he understands what I am saying and this will help him also bring out the best of his products. I still maintain that there was an inquiry I made with Kunle-A of a car that with Carfax and VIN checking out a while ago - he simply told me that if interested he has to tow it to a mechanic workshop he trusts and have the car tested physically - Now, that's a car dealer who knows about cars. Our car dealers and importers should please have whatever cars they buy there as-is fixed and thoroughly checked, then they should label them CLEAN by our standards. No pre-owned vehicle is 80% - It can only be IF aging parts are replaced and optimized. Even the brand new recalled GM and Toyota cars are not 50% until those affected parts are replaced. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by GeorgeD1(m): 11:24am On Mar 17, 2010 |
any dealer selling salvage cars and labelling them 'clean' is a fraud. regardless whether he has changed a thousand components in the said vehicle. we must all borrow a leaf from bizbboks: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-411632.99999.html#bot now that is how a honest dealer must operate. and if you must sell a salvage car at the price of a new one because you have changed out a million items in it and in your mind it is now clean, still you owe it to your prospective buyers to let them know. carfax and autocheck are not perfect but they're still a good reference for anyone wanting to buy a ride in the usa whether clean or salvage. they allow you make up your mind. like i said before there are many people who will go for a salvage car over a clean one because they want to get a newer model at a lesser cost but some nl auto dealers are only interested in ripping ignorant buyers off their hard earned money selling accidented vehicles passing them off as clean. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 11:39am On Mar 17, 2010 |
@George_D Biz_Books is very straight and correct with that advert BUT he has not fixed those cosmetic defects. If he fixes those cosmetic defects, then the car ceases to have any minor flaws and becomes clean. Don't label people frauds because you have no idea what car dealership entails. Once flaws are fixed, the car becomes clean. Get that straight. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 11:42am On Mar 17, 2010 |
Also, so you know - the reason Biz_books made that advert and wrote those things was from the confidence he got from this forum and thread. They don't have to hide anything anymore, they need to have the vehicles fixed and declare them clean - if they want, they can give us details of what they changed and where, IF they don't, they should not. Its not like you would drive them for years and tell their past anyways. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by GeorgeD1(m): 11:52am On Mar 17, 2010 |
well, i stand by what i said. any dealer selling accidented vehicles, knowing same to be true and deliberately hiding such facts from would-be buyers is a crook. whether they have fixed them or not, they owe to their customers a duty of full disclosure and that is what the law says. but of course in this country who enforces what? |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by german007(m): 11:58am On Mar 17, 2010 |
Ownan, George D, Fhemmy and Everyone else. This is probably the most indepth, assiduous and elaborative thread on the Auto section. Keep it up lads. Keep it flowing. One Love.  |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 12:17pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
@George_D What law?, what country?, How did Toyota know they had brake and pedal problems - after 52 deaths, what law would apply to the dealers that sold the vehicles. Please try and get facts across and not subjective thoughts. We are not talking peanuts here, so you might want to appreciate efforts made by people who are giving you the luxury of driving a pre-owned vehicle close to the state of a factory new one - which in the first most of us cannot afford. The first thing we all need to understand is that cars are made of parts; which needs to be replaced ordinarily with time. For instance in some models - that transmission (automatic gear system) is recommended to be changed after 50k Miles - BUT you want to buy a "Tokumbo", "Clean" one with a "true" mileage of 140k Miles and not have any problems with the transmission?, I'm sure you expect the factory air-filter also to still be in the "Clean" ride or maybe also there should be a "Toyota" battery in every Camry .Maybe you didn't know that the silver color reflector in most headlamps are changed after a while - BUT when you buy your "clean" ride with a clean reflector, you think its factory. Don't just drive cars, research on your favorite models and learn about parts, then you will understand why people take cars to workshops to overhaul and change things, whether accident or no accident. If you live in Ojuelegba and buy an accord brand new, in 6 months, the condition of the paint with scratches and okada people will be worse than that one Biz-books posted - would you call that an accident car? Ignorance can be blissful and at times can be a nightmare, so learn. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by GeorgeD1(m): 12:27pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
full disclosure is a must my brother and there is a consumer law on that. as for the toyota issue, get the facts straight, or better still stay glued to cnn. there is a class action suit already in the works which will fry those top brass execs if it is proven that they deliberately hid those defects from their customers. all i can say is stay tuned! |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 12:34pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
@George_D That action has no business with the dealers or the brake part manufacturers. Once you drive a car and its okay by you, you pay and drive off. I know that for a fact, even overseas. You might consider the option of walking into a car shop and buying a factory "new" car or SUV and not a used highlander. I wonder what your unfortunate importer will do when you drive you "clean" highlander for a week and have gear problems - you sue him? - get real. Consumer unions and boards wont nose into your choice. That's why you should come to a forum like this one and ask questions before you buy and not get punked. You need to appreciate that. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by GeorgeD1(m): 12:45pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
onwan, oh, sue his a.s.s i will especially when it is discovered he deliberately sold the vehicle with a defective gearbox knowing same to be true and pretending all the while he was not aware. however, if the car gearbox breaks down as you said and turns out the dealer was not aware of any such defect before it was sold, no problem. in life there is always an element of risk and that would be just one of those. i think this argument of salvage cars is becoming rather boring and it is dealers with an attitude like yours that give this forum a bad name. what is the big deal? if you must sell an accidented vehicle sell it but let your buyers know and price it as one and don't pretend it is clean. on the other hand, if you think because you have 'fixed' a salvage car then all is well and you are bold enough to start asking for a price the same amount as a clean car-without letting your buyers know what has been done on the car then you are a fraud! simple! |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Onwan: 12:50pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
@George_D I am not a car dealer BUT cars are my hobby  .The mission here is to appreciate our dealers and importers and to encourage them to do a good job of preferably fixing the as-is cars overseas with a great deal of integrity before shipping to us. We want to, wish to and have to trust them. |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by Busybody2(f): 4:59pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
Na wa oh, na so the goalpost just dey shift forward, left, right and centre  Anyway sha, would be back  |
| Re: Nigerians Should Say No To Accidented Cars by ib612(m): 7:54pm On Mar 17, 2010 |
@George_D: This is the point. Once a car is salvaged titled, whether it's bumper damaged only, nothing can changed it to clean title even after all the repairs are done. If such is done it becomes a fraud and its a criminal offence. They are ususally called rebuilt. It does not mean it's not clean. Secondly, if a car that was in an accident and has a clean title, no matter how bad the accident was, will not become a salvage titled car even though the car was damaged. It remains a clean title car no matter how bad it may drive. It remains clean title. Anyone that pretends to sell you a salvaged title car as a clean car, knowingly so, is a fraud. In the same way, if you demanded to buy a clean title car and you discovered that it was indeed an accidented car, you have no right whatsoever if you've failed to have a full inspection done. There is where he dilemmas of the poster lies. He has little or no information about how vehicles are titled. He used a general terms: acidented. We all know there are accidents on the roads every single minutes and as such, we can't stop driving because that car is accidented. Carefully consider what happened to Toyota and the likes, you'll notice that the recall bothers on safety and not on mere body panels. Those cars, even though newer, are worst than those accidented cars; they are salvage. Therefore, any accident that affects any of the safety equipment should be taken more serious. Body panels are meant to be changed over time; you can always drive with them. You can't and must not drive with a bad brake, chassis, frame or failed headlights or it's components. |
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