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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Nobody: 9:49am On Sep 22, 2017
Heck,do you know how much effort Turkey has put into this diplomatically to see that it(the independence referendum) doesn't happen? Erdogan would rather die than seen an independent Kurdistan spring up just across the border in Iraq. Don't forget that the Kurds in Turkey have been agitating for independence for decades now. As far as Turkey is concerned,this referendum is a threat to Turkish sovereignty. Erdogan even asked the Kurds to suspend it but they just want to go ahead with it. They(the Kurds) feel cheated for a plethora of reasons. One of such reasons is the fact that the kurds are the 4th largest ethnic group in the middle East but have no independent State of their own and they are looking to right what they see as a historical wrong.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by proudlyYoruba(m): 9:51am On Sep 22, 2017
magoo10:
If it were in Nigeria apc clueless miscreants ,confused mofos and compromised judiciary would have labelled them terrorist.

shey u dey follow iraqi news sef, these fellas bear arms they fought isis and reclaimed territories the government could not. Iraq is almost in a state of anarchy nobody respects their judiciary

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by lonecatt(m): 9:51am On Sep 22, 2017
omenka:
In addition to this, the Spanish government has started screwing the Catalonia authorities up their assess, aided by the UN and US, yet some people put their hopes in those bodies.

I laugh.

If there's gonna be a referendum, the Nigerian parliament is the only body that can bring that about.

The earlier these guys wake up to the realities of international diplomacy and politics, the better for them.
the call for seccession in nigeria is a win win affair, if the apc government escapes the seccession call they will never escape restructuring rather they will give way for a more serious government that will restructure nigeria, as it stands now apc is incapable of going that direction .

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by omenka(m): 9:52am On Sep 22, 2017
Throwback:


And Nigeria is not formidable and IPOB has a better game plan despite not being the constitutionally recognised political leadership of the Igbos?
They talk about game plan. What exactly is ipob's game plan besides inundating cyberspace with hopeless lies and propaganda?

If those two could get them there, their plans would have come to fruition a long time ago.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 9:53am On Sep 22, 2017
victorvezx:

Kosovo is not independent either


The 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence was adopted on 17 February 2008 by the Assembly of Kosovo.[1] In a meeting attended by 109 of the total 120 members,[1] the assembly unanimously declared Kosovo to be independent from Serbia,[2] while all 11 representatives of the Serb minority boycotted the proceedings.[3] It was the second declaration of independence by Kosovo's Albanian-majority political institutions; the first was proclaimed on 7 September 1990.[4]

The legality of the declaration has been disputed. Serbia sought international validation and support for its stance that the declaration was illegal, and in October 2008 requested an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice.[5] The Court determined that the declaration did not violate international law[/b].[6]

As a result of the ICJ decision, a joint Serbia-EU resolution was passed in the United Nations General Assembly which called for an EU-facilitated dialogue between Kosovo and Serbia to "promote cooperation, achieve progress on the path to the European Union and improve the lives of the people."[7] [b]The dialogue resulted in the 2013 Brussels deal between Serbia and Kosovo which abolished all of the Republic of Serbia's institutions in Kosovo
. Dejan Pavićević is the official representative of Serbia to Kosovo.[8] Valdet Sadiku is the official representative of Kosovo to Serbia.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence


Seems like they are on the right part, don't you think! everything in due time cool
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Abbeyme: 9:53am On Sep 22, 2017
ifeanyija:
But Uk held referandum to exit EU

EU na country??

Haba. No fall my hand na

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Nobody: 9:53am On Sep 22, 2017
@Mrchippychappy South Sudan,yes but Kosovo is not yet a member State of the UN as it enjoys limited recognition as Russia and China,two permanent members of the UN do not recognize it. Serbia too. Please take note.
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by magoo10(m): 9:54am On Sep 22, 2017
proudlyYoruba:
shey u dey follow iraqi news sef, these fellas bear arms they fought isis and reclaimed territoriesh government could not. Iraq is almost in a state of anarchy nobody respects their judiciary
No I no dey follow am ,na the news dey follow me ni. mr lecturer.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 9:55am On Sep 22, 2017
mansakhalifa:
@Mrchippychappy South Sudan,yes but Kosovo is not yet a member State of the UN as it enjoys limited recognition as Russia and China,two permanent members of the UN do not recognize it. Serbia too. Please take note.


victorvezx:

Kosovo is not independent either


The 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence was adopted on 17 February 2008 by the Assembly of Kosovo.[1] In a meeting attended by 109 of the total 120 members,[1] the assembly unanimously declared Kosovo to be independent from Serbia,[2] while all 11 representatives of the Serb minority boycotted the proceedings.[3] It was the second declaration of independence by Kosovo's Albanian-majority political institutions; the first was proclaimed on 7 September 1990.[4]

The legality of the declaration has been disputed. Serbia sought international validation and support for its stance that the declaration was illegal, and in October 2008 requested an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice.[5] The Court determined that the declaration did not violate international law[/b].[6]

As a result of the ICJ decision, a joint Serbia-EU resolution was passed in the United Nations General Assembly which called for an EU-facilitated dialogue between Kosovo and Serbia to "promote cooperation, achieve progress on the path to the European Union and improve the lives of the people."[7] [b]The dialogue resulted in the 2013 Brussels deal between Serbia and Kosovo which abolished all of the Republic of Serbia's institutions in Kosovo
. Dejan Pavićević is the official representative of Serbia to Kosovo.[8] Valdet Sadiku is the official representative of Kosovo to Serbia.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence


Seems like they are on the right part, don't you think! everything in due time cool
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by dantewest: 9:56am On Sep 22, 2017
magoo10:
If it were in Nigeria apc clueless miscreants ,confused mofos and compromised judiciary would have labelled them terrorist.


****Kurdistan political party is labelled as a terrorist group by Turkey. Iraq and Syria are equally against any form of carving out any portion of their country for the aspirations of Kurdistan.

Get your facts right before spewing trash on public forum, exposing your illiteracy and foolishness.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 9:56am On Sep 22, 2017
mansakhalifa:
Heck,do you know how much effort Turkey has put into this diplomatically to see that it(the independence referendum) doesn't happen? Erdogan would rather die than seen an independent Kurdistan spring up just across the border in Iraq. Don't forget that the Kurds in Turkey have been agitating for independence for decades now. As far as Turkey is concerned,this referendum is a threat to Turkish sovereignty. Erdogan even asked the Kurds to suspend it but they just want to go ahead with it. They(the Kurds) feel cheated for a plethora of reasons. One of such reasons is the fact that the kurds are the 4th largest ethnic group in the middle East but have no independent State of their own and they are looking to right what they see as a historical wrong.


Exactly what I spoke about in my first post, some of these clowns here don't have a clue on how world politics work! Some clown actually tried to compare the Strength and Political influence of Nigeria to that of the Turkish nation. How laughable!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E7_(countries)



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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Throwback: 9:57am On Sep 22, 2017
Mrchippychappy:


No one said anything about IPOB, this misconception that IPOB = Igbos is totally wrong. IPOB are just a minute fraction of the Igbos. The call for referendum in Nigeria is totally constitutional and if a region in Nigeria decides to have a referendum then NO one can stop them, Nigeria is not formidable, make no mistake!

A referendum would be a contingency plan in the event that the call for restructuring is disregarded by those parasitical elements in the Nation who bring little or nothing yet consume more than those who contribute the most!

So besides IPOB, which Igbos have been making any call for referendum?

State their names and their political position that is representative of the region in Nigeria that wants to employ referendum to achieve secession.

State how they intend to achieve this call in the National Assembly?

Show me where secession which is the intention of such referendum, written in the constitution of the federal republic.

Or is referendum an objective, and not just a tool to many objectives of which separation is just one of many?

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by hatchy(f): 9:58am On Sep 22, 2017
Ipobians please ye all should come and see something!

Our hope is dashed if UN,UK and US will come out openly to disassociate themselves from a whole Kurds that is the mainstay of Iraqi economy thru oil in abundance in that region.

We in the Y'east that have nothing to export our faith is doomed.That is to say that Nnamdi Kanu have been telling us quantum lies about the UN,UK,US,France and even that country that have Turkey in abundance.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by KanuJEWSarePIGS: 9:59am On Sep 22, 2017
Some TERRORIST are so confused now. Dey intended siping PIG URINE, but ended up with RAW CRUDE OIL mixed with 5 shots of COW TAIL.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by proudlyYoruba(m): 10:00am On Sep 22, 2017
Mrchippychappy:


This argument doesn't make any sense, for every Kurdistan, there's a Kosovo, South Sudan etc, the list is endless so we can't assume that any call for referendum in Nigeria wouldn't get the support of the UN just because the UN refused to support the Kurdish referendum . Kurds probably don't have their game plan right and lets not forget Iraq and Turkey are two countries that don't want the Kurds to gain independence, the UN can't be seen as an organisation siding the Kurds against the Turkish government, the Turks play a very important role in world politics, most people don't know this but besides Israel the strongest army in the Middle east is the Turkish army, it is imperative that the UN keeps Turkey as an ally.

The kurds are going up against a very formidable country and quite frankly, the Kurdish referendum is coming at an ill timed moment. They should have done their home work better.
After the israeli army bro it is iran that nation is fuçking dogged

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by victorvezx(m): 10:01am On Sep 22, 2017
Mrchippychappy:






The 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence was adopted on 17 February 2008 by the Assembly of Kosovo.[1] In a meeting attended by 109 of the total 120 members,[1] the assembly unanimously declared Kosovo to be independent from Serbia,[2] while all 11 representatives of the Serb minority boycotted the proceedings.[3] It was the second declaration of independence by Kosovo's Albanian-majority political institutions; the first was proclaimed on 7 September 1990.[4]

The legality of the declaration has been disputed. Serbia sought international validation and support for its stance that the declaration was illegal, and in October 2008 requested an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice.[5] The Court determined that the declaration did not violate international law[/b].[6]

As a result of the ICJ decision, a joint Serbia-EU resolution was passed in the United Nations General Assembly which called for an EU-facilitated dialogue between Kosovo and Serbia to "promote cooperation, achieve progress on the path to the European Union and improve the lives of the people."[7] [b]The dialogue resulted in the 2013 Brussels deal between Serbia and Kosovo which abolished all of the Republic of Serbia's institutions in Kosovo
. Dejan Pavićević is the official representative of Serbia to Kosovo.[8] Valdet Sadiku is the official representative of Kosovo to Serbia.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence


Seems like they are on the right part, don't you think! everything in due time cool
They only declared independence. It is not recognised by United Nations. Russia, Serbia strong ally has vowed it will never let Kosovo gain independence. There are many regions that declared independence, but it is useless because they were never recognised by United nation or many countries, examples of such regions are northern Cyprus, somaliland, Kosovo etc.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by KanuJEWSarePIGS: 10:02am On Sep 22, 2017
hatchy:
Ipobians please ye all should come and see something!

Our hope is dashed if UN,UK and US will come out openly to disassociate themselves from a whole Kurds that is the mainstay of Iraqi economy thru oil in abundance in that region.

We in the Y'east that have nothing to export our faith is doomed.That is to say that Nnamdi Kanu have been telling us quantum lies about the UN,UK,US,France and even that country that have Turkey in abundance.
Bn scammed and doomed is bad.
Kanu's IPOB are sad. cry

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Ahmedhussain3463: 10:02am On Sep 22, 2017
Talkwell:
grin

If U.N can distance itself from the Kurds what of our brothers in the east cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
if UK can distance itself from kurdistan referendum,why will they now support the breakup of nigeria they created?i swear this Uk will give nigeria government nuclear bomb,amoured tank,granade,landmines,iEds,Ak 47,nukes and drones for free to keep nigeria one.hahahahahhahahaha broda nice comment .i pity nnamdi kanu wey they lie to em mumu supporter say em done pettision Uk,UN,US and russia.ahahhahah

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by KingMicky3286: 10:03am On Sep 22, 2017
grin
IamPatriotic:


And be.replaced with.Ohanaeze ndigbo worldwide. ;-)
grin grin you are funny... My hand no dey ooo grin
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 10:03am On Sep 22, 2017
Throwback:


So which Igbos have been making any call for referendum?

State their names and their political position that is representative of the region in Nigeria that wants to employ referendum to achieve secession.

State how they intend to achieve this call in the National Assembly?

Show me where secession which is the intention of such referendum, written in the constitution of the federal republic.

Or is referendum an objective, and not a tool to many objectives of which separation is just one of many.


The only card the Nigerian government has to play now is to agree to a national dialogue on restructuring and strictly adhere to the agreements of that dialogue, failure to do so would result in an unstoppable call for referendum, it cannot be stopped my friend. One way or another, the FG are in a very dicey situation, one could even say its checkmate. Things are looking interesting, #squeakybumtime cool
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 10:07am On Sep 22, 2017
proudlyYoruba:
After the israeli army bro it is iran that nation is fuçking dogged




Do your research first bro! Some would even argue that the Turkish army are stronger than the Israeli army, the only reason I put the Israelis first is because of the unwavering support of the US / UK army behind the Israeli army.





http://www.businessinsider.com/most-powerful-militaries-in-the-middle-east-2014-8?IR=T

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-powerful-militaries-in-the-middle-east-2014-8?IR=T#no-2-turkey-15
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Throwback: 10:08am On Sep 22, 2017
Mrchippychappy:



The only card the Nigerian government has to play now is to agree to a national dialogue on restructuring and strictly adhere to the agreements of that dialogue, failure to do so would result in an unstoppable call for referendum, it cannot be stopped my friend. One way or another, the FG are in a very dicey situation, one could even say its checkmate. Things are looking interesting, #squeakybumtime cool

Referendum on what exactly?

Referendum is just a tool, but what exactly is the purpose of this magical referendum you keep harping on?

Is it referendum to allow 3terms for the Governors and President?

Is it referendum to scrap the Senate and retain only the House of reps?

Is it referendum to change the national flag?

What is the purpose of your desired referendum and is that purpose allowed by the constitution?

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by casdoruche: 10:08am On Sep 22, 2017
A lot of is do not understand diplomacy antics. What you hear in public speeches is not necessarily what is obtainable. As the Kurdish leader said no one has brought something palatable to the table. But Un recognizes the fact that this same people did not support isis and fought as US and Un allies. Just few days to the referendum US tries to play safe so as not to raise suspicion among world powers like Russia who are tackling Georgia or China who have Taiwan to face. It just playing safe. But an intelligent mind would know they support it fully knowing the outcome.



Biafra who toe that line too. What happens on the surface is still on the surface. But the depth of it is the essence
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by ifeanyija(m): 10:10am On Sep 22, 2017
Abbeyme:


EU na country??

Haba. No fall my hand na
what of Scottish referandum
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 10:12am On Sep 22, 2017
Throwback:


Referendum on what exactly?

Referendum is just a tool, but what exactly is the purpose of this magical referendum you keep harping on?

Is it referendum to allow 3terms for the Governors and President?

Is it referendum to scrap the Senate and retain only the House of reps?

Is it referendum to change the national flag?

What is the purpose of your desired referendum and is that purpose allowed by the constitution?


Common sense would let you know what a National referendum means and the purpose of such referendum. There are only two options now and I know the parasites hate to hear this but its either

A. RESTRUCTURING

or

B. NATIONAL REFERENDUM!

Chi'kena !
Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by LordOfNaira: 10:13am On Sep 22, 2017
magoo10:
If it were in Nigeria apc clueless miscreants ,confused mofos and compromised judiciary would have labelled them terrorist.


Compare Kurdish methods of seeking self determination to that of the coward and ignorant Kanu and you will understand why Kanu's thugs are to be regarded as terrorists and confused elements.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Throwback: 10:18am On Sep 22, 2017
Mrchippychappy:



Common sense would let you know what a National referendum means and the purpose of such referendum. There are only two options now and I know the parasites hate to hear this but its either

A. RESTRUCTURING

or

B. NATIONAL REFERENDUM!

Chi'kena !


What is a national referendum?

It seems the IPOB idiocy has caught up with you. Stop shouting referendum like an illiterate who just learnt the word on radio Biafra.

Referendum is just a tool that can be used for determining an unlimited number of questions.

So I ask again, is the question you desire to be answered allowed by the constitution of the federal republic?

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by free2ryhme: 10:19am On Sep 22, 2017
omenka:
Instead of reading "Jesus Christ is coming soon", your signature should have read "my brain is coming soon". cheesy

Maybe ipob terrorists should look to Cameroon to come help salvage their hopeless situation. wink

Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by victorvezx(m): 10:19am On Sep 22, 2017
casdoruche:
A lot of is do not understand diplomacy antics. What you hear in public speeches is not necessarily what is obtainable. As the Kurdish leader said no one has brought something palatable to the table. But Un recognizes the fact that this same people did not support isis and fought as US and Un allies. Just few days to the referendum US tries to play safe so as not to raise suspicion among world powers like Russia who are tackling Georgia or China who have Taiwan to face. It just playing safe. But an intelligent mind would know they support it fully knowing the outcome.



Biafra who toe that line too. What happens on the surface is still on the surface. But the depth of it is the essence
If America don't support u openly, u think somehow u will win? Let Ipob do it anyhow, they won't still win

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by kindklemz(m): 10:25am On Sep 22, 2017
Mrchippychappy:


No one said anything about IPOB, this misconception that IPOB = Igbos is totally wrong. IPOB are just a minute fraction of the Igbos. The call for referendum in Nigeria is totally constitutional and if a region in Nigeria decides to have a referendum then NO one can stop them, Nigeria is not formidable, make no mistake!

A referendum would be a contingency plan in the event that the call for restructuring is disregarded by those parasitical elements in the Nation who bring little or nothing yet consume more than those who contribute the most!

You are wrong man except you want to continue courting for more deaths from the Nigerian Army.
Referendum is alien to the Nigerian constituted law and unless it is amended it can not be achieved.

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Re: UN, UK Distance Self From Kurdistan Referendum And Secession by Mrchippychappy(m): 10:35am On Sep 22, 2017
Throwback:



What is a national referendum?

It seems the IPOB idiocy has caught up with you. Stop shouting referendum like an illiterate who just learnt the word on radio Biafra.

Referendum is just a tool that can be used for determining an unlimited number of questions.

So I ask again, is the question you desire to be answered allowed by the constitution of the federal republic?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

Kai proper aboki man, see stupidity being exhibited at its finest. The international law (read here : http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.html) states that every people or nation are ENTITLED to self determination (something the parasites would tag as secession), the international law is supreme in all ramifications to that of the laws of nations / countries, Nigeria is part of the international community / UN. So unless Nigeria decides to stupidly pull out of the UN, then I am afraid Nigeria has to adhere to these laws, so the Nigerian constitution cannot over ride the international law of self determination

Lesson one : served!

Lesson two: Cooking, look below

Secondly, look up the word referendum - there isn't a single definition of referendum

A referendum (plural referendums, see below) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is invited to vote on a [b]particular proposal. This may result in the adoption of a new law. In some countries, it is synonymous with a plebiscite or a vote on a ballot question.

Some definitions of 'plebiscite' suggest that it is a type of vote to change the constitution or government of a country.[1] However, some other countries define it differently. For example, Australia defines 'referendum' as a vote to change the constitution, and 'plebiscite' as a vote that does not affect the constitution.[2] In Ireland, the vote to adopt its constitution was called a "plebiscite", but a subsequent vote to amend the constitution is called a 'referendum', and so is a poll of the electorate on a non-constitutional bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Referendums_by_country
[/b]



In the Nigerian context, we can rightly say that referendum doesn't apply to constitutional amendment, why? because we use the term "constitutional amendment" in Nigeria whenever we want to amend the constitution! You and I both know what a referendum means in the Nigerian context, a referendum also means the same to the Catalans and numerous nations. Me and you no dey go ansarudden or almajiri school, Eagle and vulture no be the same lol. The proposal defines the referendum, In Nigeria we all know what the term "national referendum" stands for

Oya come and go and ask your Almajiri "intellectuals" for more propaganda fire power lol

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