What is the ruling on what people do on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, such as wearing kohl, taking a bath (ghusl), using henna, shaking hands with one another, cooking grains (huboob), showing their happiness and so on…? Has any saheeh hadeeth to that effect been narrated from the Prophet peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or not? If there is no saheeh hadeeth to that effect, does doing these things constitute bid’ah, or not? What about the things that the other people do, such as mourning, grieving, going without anything to drink, eulogizing, wailing, rending their garments, etc.? Is there any basis for that or not?
Published Date: 2013-11-12
Praise be to Allah
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked this question and he replied as follows:
‘Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Nothing to that effect has been reported in any saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from his Companions. None of the imaams of the Muslims encouraged or recommended such things, neither the four imaams, nor any others. No reliable scholars have narrated anything like this, neither from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), nor from the Sahaabah, nor from the Taabi’een; neither in any saheeh report or in a da’eef (weak) report; neither in the books of Saheeh, nor in al-Sunan , nor in the Musnads . No hadeeth of this nature was known during the best centuries, but some of the later narrators reported ahaadeeth like the one which says “Whoever puts kohl in his eyes on the day of ‘Aashooraa’ will not suffer from eye disease in that year, and whoever takes a bath (does ghusl) on the day of ‘Aashooraa’ will not get sick in that year, etc.” They also narrated reports concerning the supposed virtues of praying on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, and other reports saying that on the day of ‘Aashooraa’ Adam repented, the Ark settled on Mount Joodi, Yoosuf returned to Ya’qoob, Ibraaheem was saved from the fire, the ram was provided for sacrifice instead of Ismaa’eel, and so on. They also reported a fabricated hadeeth that is falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which says, “Whoever is generous to his family on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, Allaah will be generous to him for the rest of the year.”
(Then Ibn Taymiyah discussed the two misguided groups who were in Koofah, Iraq, both of whom took ‘Aashooraa’ as a festival because of their bid’ah). The Raafidi group made an outward show of allegiance to the Ahl al-Bayt although inwardly they were either heretics and disbelievers or ignorant and bound by whims and desires. The Naasibi group hated ‘Ali and his companions, because of the troubles and killings that had occurred. It is reported in Saheeh Muslim that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In (the tribe of) Thaqeef there will be a liar and an oppressor [].” The liar was al-Mukhtaar ibn Abi ‘Ubayd al-Thaqafi, who made an outward show of allegiance to and support of the Ahl al-Bayt, and killed ‘Ubayd-Allaah ibn Ziyaad, the governor of Iraq, who had equipped the party that killed al-Husayn ibn ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with them both); then he (al-Mukhtaar) made it clear that he was a liar, by claiming to be a prophet and that Jibreel (peace be upon him) brought revelation to him. People told Ibn ‘Umar and Ibn ‘Abbaas about this, and said to one of them, “al-Mukhtaar ibn Abi ‘Ubayd is claiming to receive revelation [ annahu yanzilu ‘alayhi ].” He said, “He is telling the truth, for Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Shall I inform you (O people) upon whom the shayaateen (devils) descend [tanazzalu]? They descend upon every lying, sinful person.’ [al-Shu’ara’ 26:221] .” [Translator’s note: the words translated as “receive revelation” and “descend” both come from the same root in Arabic]. They said to the other: “Al-Mukhtaar is claiming that he receives inspiration.” He said, “he is telling the truth. ‘… And certainly, the Shayaateen (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind) to dispute with you…’ [al-An’aam 6:121 – interpretation of the meaning] .” As for the oppressor , this was al-Hajjaaj ibn Yoosuf al-Thaqafi, who was opposed to ‘Ali and his companions. Al-Hajjaaj was a Naasibi and al-Mukhtaar was a Raafidi, and this Raafidi was a greater liar and more guilty of fabrication and heresy, because he claimed to be a prophet…
There was much trouble and fighting between these two groups in Kufa. When al-Husayn ibn ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with them both) was killed on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, he was killed by the sinful, wrongdoing group. Allaah honoured al-Husayn with martyrdom, as He honoured other members of his family, and raised his status, as He honoured Hamzah, Ja’far, his father ‘Ali and others. Al-Husayn and his brother al-Hasan are the leaders of the youth of Paradise. High status can only be attained through suffering, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him said, when he was asked which people suffer the most. He said, “The Prophets, then righteous people, then the next best and the next best. A man will suffer according to his level of faith. If his faith is solid, he will suffer more, but if his faith is shaky, he will suffer less. The believer will keep on suffering until he walks on the earth with no sin.” (reported by al-Tirmidhi and others). Al-Hasan and al-Husayn achieved what they achieved and reached the high status they reached by the help and decree of Allaah. They did not suffer as much as their forefathers had, for they were born and raised during the glory days of Islam, and the Muslims respected and honoured them. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died when they were still young, and Allaah blessed them by testing them in such a manner that they would be able to catch up with the rest of their family members, as those who were of a higher status than them were also tested. ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib was better than them, and he was killed as a shaheed (martyr). The killing of al-Husayn was one of the things that caused fitnah (tribulation) among the people, as was the killing of ‘Uthmaan, which was one of the greatest causes of fitnah, because of which the ummah is still split today. Thus the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are three things, whoever is saved from them is truly saved: my death, the killing of a patient khaleefah, and the Dajjaal (‘antichrist’).”
Then Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) mentioned a little about the biography of al-Hasan and his just character, then he said:
“Then he died, and Allaah was pleased with him and honoured him. Some groups wrote to al-Husayn and promised to support and help him if he went ahead and declared himself khaleefah, but they were not sincere. When al-Husayn sent his cousin [son of his paternal uncle] to them, they broke their word and gave help to the one they had promised to defend him against, and fought with him against [al-Husayn’s cousin]. Those who were wise and who loved al-Husayn, such as Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn ‘Umar and others, advised him not to go to them, and not to accept any promises from them. They thought that his going to them served no useful interest and that the consequences would not be good. Things turned out just as they said, and this is how Allaah decreed it would happen. When al-Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him) went out and saw that things were not as he had expected, he asked them to let him go back, or to let him join the army that was defending the borders of Islam, or join his cousin Yazeed, but they would not let him do any of these things unless he gave himself up to them as a prisoner. So he fought with them, and they killed him and some of those who were with him, and he was wrongfully slain so he died as a shaheed whose martyrdom brought him honour from Allaah, and so he was reunited with the good and pure members of his family. His murder brought shame on those who had wrongfully killed him, and caused much mischief among the people. An ignorant, wrongful group – who were either heretics and hypocrites, or misguided and misled – made a show of allegiance to him and the members of his household, so they took the day of ‘Aashooraa’ as a day of mourning and wailing, in which they openly displayed the rituals of jaahiliyyah such as slapping their cheeks and rending their garments, grieving in the manner of the jaahiliyyah. But what Allaah has commanded us to do when disaster strikes – when the disaster is fresh – is to bear it with patience and fortitude, and to seek reward, and to remember that all things come from Allaah and we must return to Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “… but give glad tidings to al-saabiroon (the patient ones), who, when afflicted with calamity, say: ‘Truly, to Allaah we belong and turly, to Him we shall return.’ They are those on whom are al-salawaat (the blessings) (i.e., who are blessed and will be forgiven) from their Lord, and (they are those who) receive His Mercy, and it is they who are the guided ones.” [al-Baqarah 2:155-157] .
It is reported in al-Saheeh that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “he is not one of us who strikes his cheeks, rends his garments and prays with the prayer of Jaahiliyyah.” And he said: “I have nothing to do with those who strike [their cheeks], shave [their heads] and rend [their garments].” And he said: “If the woman who wails does not repent before she dies, she will be raised up on the Day of Resurrection wearing trousers made of tar and a shirt of scabs.” In al-Musnad , it is reported from Faatimah bint al-Husayn, from her father al-Husayn, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no man who suffers a calamity, and when he remembers it, even if it is old, he says ‘ Innaa Lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji’oon (Truly, to Allaah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return),’ but Allaah will give a reward equal to the reward He gave him on the day he suffered the calamity.” This is how Allaah honours the Believers. If the disaster suffered by al-Husayn, and other disasters, are mentioned after all this time, we should say “Innaa Lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raaji’oon (Truly, to Allaah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return),” as Allaah and His Messenger commanded, so as to be given the reward like that earned on the day of the disaster itself. If Allaah commanded us to be patient and steadfast and to seek reward at the time of the disaster, then how about after the passing of time? The Shaytaan made this attractive to those who are misled, so they took the day of ‘Aashooraa’ as an occasion of mourning, when they grieve and wail, recite poems of grief and tell stories filled with lies. Whatever truth there may be in these stories serves no purpose other than the renewal of their grief and sectarian feeling, and the stirring up of hatred and hostility among the Muslims, which they do by cursing those who came before them, and telling many lies, and causing much trouble in the world. The various sects of Islam have never known any group tell more lies or cause more trouble or help the kuffaar against the Muslims more than this misguided and evil group. They are even worse than the Khawaarij who went beyond the pale of Islam. They are the ones of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “They will kill the people of Islam and will leave alone the people who worship idols.” This group cooperated with the Jews, Christians and mushrikeen against the members of the Prophet’s household and his believing ummah, and also helped the mushrik Turks and Tatars to do what they did in Baghdaad and elsewhere to the descendents of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), i.e., the ‘Abbaasid rulers and others, and the believers; the Turks and Tatars killed them, enslaved their women and destroyed their homes. The evil and harm that they do to the Muslims cannot be enumerated by any man, no matter how eloquent he is. Some others – either Naasibis who oppose and have enmity towards al-Husayn and his family or ignorant people who try to fight evil with evil, corruption with corruption, lies with lies and bid’ah with bid’ah – opposed them by fabricating reports in favour of making the day of ‘Aashooraa’ a day of celebration, by wearing kohl and henna, spending money on one's children, cooking special dishes and other things that are done on Eids and special occasions. These people took the day of ‘Aashooraa’ as a festival like Eid, whereas the others took it as a day of mourning. Both are wrong, and both go against the Sunnah, even though the other group (the Rafidis) are worse in intention and more ignorant and more plainly wrong… But Allaah commands us to be just and to treat others well. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Those of you who live after my death will see many disputes. I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the sunnah of my rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’ al-raashidoon) who come after me. Hold onto it as if biting it with your eyeteeth. Beware of newly-innovated matters, for every innovation is a going astray.” Neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his rightly-guided successors (the khulafa’ al-raashidoon) did any of these things on the day of ‘Aashooraa’, they neither made it a day of mourning nor a day of celebration.
But “when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, he saw the Jews fasting on the day of ‘Aashooraa’. He said, ‘What is this?’ They said, ‘This is the day when Allaah saved Moosa from drowning, so we fast on this day.’ He said, ‘We have more right to Moosa than you,’ so he fasted on that day and commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day.”
Quraysh also used to venerate this day during the Jaahiliyyah. The day on which people were ordered to fast was just one day. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah it was Rabee’ al-Awwal, and the following year he fasted ‘Aashooraa’ and commanded the people to fast. Then in that year fasting in Ramadaan was made obligatory and fasting on ‘Aashooraa’ was abrogated. The scholars disputed as to whether fasting on that day (‘Aashooraa’) was waajib (obligatory) or mustahabb (encouraged). Of the two best known opinions, the more correct view is that it was waajib, then after that whoever fasted it did it because it was mustahabb. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not tell ordinary Muslims to fast on ‘Aashooraa’, but he used to say, “This is the day of ‘Aashooraa’; I am fasting on this day and whoever wishes to fast on this day may fast.” And he said: “Fasting on ‘Aashooraa’ expiates for the sins of one year and fasting on the day of ‘Arafaah expiates for the sins of two years.” When, towards the end of his life, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) heard that the Jews took the day of ‘Aashooraa’ as a festival, he said, “If I live until next year, I will certainly fast on the ninth” – to be different from the Jews, and not to resemble them in taking the day as a festival.
There were some of the Sahaabah and scholars who did not fast on this day and did not regard it as mustahabb, but thought it makrooh to single out this day for fasting. This was reported from a group of the Koofiyeen (scholars of Kufa). Some other scholars said that it was mustahabb to fast on this day. The correct view is that it is mustahabb for the one who fasts on ‘Aashooraa’ to fast on the ninth day [of Muharram] too, because this was the ultimate command of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as he said: “If I live until next year, I will certainly fast on the ninth as well as the tenth.” This was reported with a variety of isnaads. This is what is prescribed in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
As for the other things, such as cooking special dishes with or without grains, or wearing new clothes, or spending money on one’s family, or buying the year’s supplies on that day, or doing special acts of worship such as special prayers or deliberately slaughtering an animal on that day, or saving some of the meat of the sacrifice to cook with grains, or wearing kohl and henna, or taking a bath (ghusl), or shaking hands with one another, or visiting one another, or visiting the mosques and mashhads (shrines) and so on… all of this is reprehensible bid’ah and is wrong. None of it has anything to do with the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or the way of the Khulafa’ al-Raashidoon. It was not approved of by any of the imaams of the Muslims, not Maalik, not al-Thawri, not al-Layth ibn Sa’d, not Abu Haneefah, not al-Oozaa’i, not al-Shaafa'i, not Ahmad ibn Hanbal, not Ishaaq ibn Raahwayh, not any of the imaams and scholars of the Muslims.
The religion of Islam is based on two principles: that we should worship nothing besides Allaah Alone, and that we should worship Him in the manner that He has prescribed, not by means of bid’ah or reprehensible innovations. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord.” [al-Kahf 18:110].
Righteous deeds are those which are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, those which are prescribed in Islam and in the Sunnah. Thus ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) used to say in his du’aa’: “O Allaah, make all of my deeds righteous and make them purely for Your sake, and do not let there be any share for anyone or anything else in them.”
(The above is summarized from the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah – may Allaah have mercy on him. Al-Fataawa al-Kubra, part 5). And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path.

;Ddon

jazakhallah bi khair, may Allah (s.w.t) accept our ibadat ameen

Learn to summarize.

I.T.K

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refreshrate:
In all this confusion no wonder buhari is the way he is and a large population of the white walkers who support him are also of this certain demographic.

Don't go and look for how to improve your life in facets that matter you hear?

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Mashallah

Thanks alot, may Allah guide and protect us. Jazakalahkhaira

SUMMARY OF THE THREAD

# Unfortunately, this thread is too lumped up of different issues making it very difficult to read. However, following are discussed:

* Significant of fasting on the day of Ashura (10th Muharram)

* The martyrdom of Imam Hussain (alayhi salam)

* Extreme practises towards in

1. celebrating Muharram as period of merriments

2. mourning the death of Imam Hussain (alayhi salam).

* Challenge to those (shia especially) who commemorate yearly the martyrs of Kar'bala.


RESPONDS TO VITAL POINTS

While I won't waist my time commenting on the extremisms as highlighted above, following deserve few comments:

* POINT ONE: Significant of fasting on the day of Ashura (10th Muharram).


# What is crystal clear about the fasting on the day of Ashura is that it was a pre-Islamic practice which was also practised (in Islam) before the command of Ramadan fast.


# That Nabi commanded fasting of tasua and Ashura as a result of what he "learnt" from the Jews after the advent of Ramadan in the 2nd year of hijra , is a gross lie against Islam.

Fasting on/of Ashura is obviously an abandoned fasting.


# Imam Bukhari documents an Hadith that perfectly gives summary of the whole epilogue and give understanding and the practice of a Sahabi:


Narrated Ibn `Umar:

"The Prophet(s) observed the fast on the 10th of Muharram ('Ashura), and ordered (Muslims) to fast on that day, but when the fasting of the month of Ramadan was prescribed, the fasting of the 'Ashura' was ABANDONED. Abdullah did not use to fast on that day unless it coincided with his routine fasting by chance."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 1892

In-book reference : Book 30, Hadith 2

http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/30


# You can read exposition of the so-called Ashura fasting here:
www.nairaland.com/3394383/significance-ashura-part

POINT TWO: Challenge to those (shia especially) who commemorate yearly the martyrs of Kar'bala.


# The question is how does Nabi felt and took Ashura?

1. Nabi during his lifetime used to "commemorate" the day Hussein will be murdered alongside member of his ahlulbayt with his companions. Nabi used to cry and feel mournful. Hadith on this is Mutawattir (authentically authentic via many chain).

2. Nabi after his demise in alam barzakh reacted with crying, sorrow and mourning on the day Hussein was murdered.

Here's one of long list of ahadith:

# Imam Ahmad (d. 241 H) in his Musnad [annotator: Shuaib al-Ar'naut and Adil Murshid], volume 4, page 59 and 336 documents:

From Ibn Abbas who said:

I saw the Prophet, peace be upon him, in my dreams during mid-day and he was dusty and disheveled. He was holding a bottle which contain blood or he was collecting something.

I said: O Messenger of Allah, what is that?

He said: The blood of Al-Hussein and his companions and I have been collecting it since day-time.'

Ammar said: We memorized this day and we found out he (Al-Hussein) was killed on that day."

Sheik al-Ar'naut says: The chain of narration is strong according to the conditions set by Muslim.

And he also says: Al-Tabarani narrated it in Hadith no.2822 and 12837, al-Hakim al-Naysaburi narrated it in al-Mustadrak vol. 4, pg.397-398 from Hammad ibn Salama with this chain, and al-Hakim authenticated it according to the conditions set by Muslim, and al-Dhahabi agreed with it.


# On points 1&2 above, read some of the ahadith to their effects here:
www.nairaland.com/3394720/prophet-day-ashura-significance-ashura


LASTLY: We (shia) believed that Killing Hussein is like killing the Nabi himself. Nabi says, "Hussein is from me and I am from Hussein" {Sunan Tirmidhi}.

# Qur'an says, "say (O Muhammad): if (truly) you (the believers) love Allah, then follow me (i.e Nabi Muhammad); Allah will love you and forgive your sins".

* So, shia choose to remember Hussein on the day the Ummah of his father murdered him alongside member of his ahlulbayt and companions by crying, with sorrowful heart and deep mourning. Are we not following and upholding the Sunnah of Nabi?


# Paradise awaits

In the book Fadail as-Sahabah of Imam Ahmad b. Hanbal,
vol. 2, p. 675, # 1154, there is this sahih Sunni hadith:
Narrated al-Rabi' b. Munzir:

Husayn b. 'Ali used to say: "Anyone whose eyes are filled with tears for our sake, or tears drop from his eyes for our sake, Allah the Almighty, the Most Glorious will reward him with the Paradise."

Link: http://islamport.com/w/ajz/Web/2294/1170.htm

The report has an absolutely sahih sanad.

Jazakalahhu khaira

AlBaqir:

POINT TWO: Challenge to those (shia especially) who commemorate yearly the martyrs of Kar'bala.


# The question is how does Nabi felt and took Ashura?

1. Nabi during his lifetime used to "commemorate" the day Hussein will be murdered alongside member of his ahlulbayt with his companions. Nabi used to cry and feel mournful. Hadith on this is Mutawattir (authentically authentic via many chain).

2. Nabi after his demise in alam barzakh reacted with crying, sorrow and mourning on the day Hussein was murdered.

Here's one of long list of ahadith:

# Imam Ahmad (d. 241 H) in his Musnad [annotator: Shuaib al-Ar'naut and Adil Murshid], volume 4, page 59 and 336 documents:

From Ibn Abbas who said:

I saw the Prophet, peace be upon him, in my dreams during mid-day and he was dusty and disheveled. He was holding a bottle which contain blood or he was collecting something.

I said: O Messenger of Allah, what is that?

He said: The blood of Al-Hussein and his companions and I have been collecting it since day-time.'

Ammar said: We memorized this day and we found out he (Al-Hussein) was killed on that day."

Sheik al-Ar'naut says: The chain of narration is strong according to the conditions set by Muslim.

And he also says: Al-Tabarani narrated it in Hadith no.2822 and 12837, al-Hakim al-Naysaburi narrated it in al-Mustadrak vol. 4, pg.397-398 from Hammad ibn Salama with this chain, and al-Hakim authenticated it according to the conditions set by Muslim, and al-Dhahabi agreed with it.


# On points 1&2 above, read some of the ahadith to their effects here:
www.nairaland.com/3394720/prophet-day-ashura-significance-ashura


LASTLY: We (shia) believed that Killing Hussein is like killing the Nabi himself. Nabi says, "Hussein is from me and I am from Hussein" {Sunan Tirmidhi}.

# Qur'an says, "say (O Muhammad): if (truly) you (the believers) love Allah, then follow me (i.e Nabi Muhammad); Allah will love you and forgive your sins".

* So, shia choose to remember Hussein on the day the Ummah of his father murdered him alongside member of his ahlulbayt and companions by crying, with sorrowful heart and deep mourning. Are we not following and upholding the Sunnah of Nabi?


# Paradise awaits

In the book Fadail as-Sahabah of Imam Ahmad b. Hanbal,
vol. 2, p. 675, # 1154, there is this sahih Sunni hadith:
Narrated al-Rabi' b. Munzir:

Husayn b. 'Ali used to say: "Anyone whose eyes are filled with tears for our sake, or tears drop from his eyes for our sake, Allah the Almighty, the Most Glorious will reward him with the Paradise."

Link: http://islamport.com/w/ajz/Web/2294/1170.htm

The report has an absolutely sahih sanad.

salam alaikum.I wouldn't comment on your hitherto comments but this last one about tears and reward piqued my interest and deserves to be set straight as i will be fulfilling my bid in the 'struggle for the cause of Allah' and might not know how many doubts i may be clearing here so we seize misrepressenting Islam privately and especially publicly. Please, i am open for learning and correction as i am only human and is prone to err.Brother, please try and be rational in your thinking and decisions based on facts and not be objective. You even said "we shia" and not "we muslims". I'm glad about this. Please, Islam is a peaceful religion. If,and only if that point is true,its validity is based on real and true tears and not crocodile tears, reality and not acting. How can you be throwing yourself on the ground and hitting yourselves with heavy objects or tearing yourself with sharp objects and you believe it makes Allah happy? Allah says we shouldn't harm or hurt our muslim brothers and sisters and even extended that commandment to non-muslims if they don't threaten or harm us or the religion. And then,you think that God will be glad you cause harm to your own self or another just to please him? Remember Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma'il story?? Allah does not derive joy from anybody's blood or tears. Like i've explained,if it is real for His cause and not acted for YOUR cause, you will surely be rewarded here or There- or both. Wataqullah, sir.salam alaikum.

uniqUN:


Please, Islam is a peaceful religion. If,and only if that point is true,its validity is based on real and true tears and not crocodile tears, reality and not acting. How can you be throwing yourself on the ground and hitting yourselves with heavy objects or tearing yourself with sharp objects and you believe it makes Allah happy? Allah says we shouldn't harm or hurt our muslim brothers and sisters and even extended that commandment to non-muslims if they don't threaten or harm us or the religion. And then,you think that God will be glad you cause harm to your own self or another just to please him? Remember Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma'il story?? Allah does not derive joy from anybody's blood or tears. Like i've explained,if it is real for His cause and not acted for YOUR cause, you will surely be rewarded here or There- or both. Wataqullah, sir.salam alaikum.

# Really, I don't know where your assertions and accusations @underlines came from but obviously it is not via my comments. You only churned that out of what is best known to you.

# If you carefully read my first comment, you will clearly see where I left out comment on "extremism" of

1. those who celebrate Ashura as a joyous day

2. those who mourn Imam Hussain.

# You have cited a best example for point 2 above in tatbir practice (those that slash themselves with knives and swords in the name of mourning). Kindly point out where my submissions call towards this.

# If you care to read, here's a thread on the issue of tatbir:
www.nairaland.com/3395202/tatbir-flagellation-disturbing-innovation

www.nairaland.com/4085793/why-should-ban-tatbir-zanjir


# Please let's be fair in our comments and address issues exactly the way it is submitted.

Wa Salam alaykum.

uniqUN:


salam alaikum.I wouldn't comment on your hitherto comments but this last one about tears and reward piqued my interest and deserves to be set straight as i will be fulfilling my bid in the 'struggle for the cause of Allah' and might not know how many doubts i may be clearing here so we seize misrepressenting Islam privately and especially publicly. Please, i am open for learning and correction as i am only human and is prone to err.Brother, please try and be rational in your thinking and decisions based on facts and not be objective. You even said "we shia" and not "we muslims". I'm glad about this. Please, Islam is a peaceful religion. If,and only if that point is true,its validity is based on real and true tears and not crocodile tears, reality and not acting. How can you be throwing yourself on the ground and hitting yourselves with heavy objects or tearing yourself with sharp objects and you believe it makes Allah happy? Allah says we shouldn't harm or hurt our muslim brothers and sisters and even extended that commandment to non-muslims if they don't threaten or harm us or the religion. And then,you think that God will be glad you cause harm to your own self or another just to please him? Remember Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma'il story?? Allah does not derive joy from anybody's blood or tears. Like i've explained,if it is real for His cause and not acted for YOUR cause, you will surely be rewarded here or There- or both. Wataqullah, sir.salam alaikum.

Jazakumullah khaeran Bro. for your nice contribution!

AlBaqir please are you a Shia

Housing:
AlBaqir please are you a Shia

# Yes sir, I am.

Sheik Muhammad Ibn Yahya al-Ninowy ash-Shafi'i on "Message of Ashura":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6M9gZVoh5U&itct=CBcQpDAYASITCNDM6uSpzNYCFQnyVQodhfMG2FI3U2hlaWsgTXVoYW1tYWQgSWJuIFlhaHlhIGFsLU5pbm93eSAtIG1lc3NhZ2Ugb2YgS2FyYmFsYQ%3D%3D&hl=en&gl=US&client=mv-google

Death with dignity is better than life with humiliation: Imam Hussain

A liar's biggest punishment in this world is that even his truth is rejected. Imam Ali (AS).

Do not disappoint the one whose hope lies with you. Imam Ali (AS).

AlBaqir:

POINT TWO: Challenge to those (shia especially) who commemorate yearly the martyrs of Kar'bala.


# The question is how does Nabi felt and took Ashura?

1. Nabi during his lifetime used to "commemorate" the day Hussein will be murdered alongside member of his ahlulbayt with his companions. Nabi used to cry and feel mournful. Hadith on this is Mutawattir (authentically authentic via many chain).

2. Nabi after his demise in alam barzakh reacted with crying, sorrow and mourning on the day Hussein was murdered.

Here's one of long list of ahadith:

# Imam Ahmad (d. 241 H) in his Musnad [annotator: Shuaib al-Ar'naut and Adil Murshid], volume 4, page 59 and 336 documents:

From Ibn Abbas who said:

I saw the Prophet, peace be upon him, in my dreams during mid-day and he was dusty and disheveled. He was holding a bottle which contain blood or he was collecting something.

I said: O Messenger of Allah, what is that?

He said: The blood of Al-Hussein and his companions and I have been collecting it since day-time.'

Ammar said: We memorized this day and we found out he (Al-Hussein) was killed on that day."

Sheik al-Ar'naut says: The chain of narration is strong according to the conditions set by Muslim.

And he also says: Al-Tabarani narrated it in Hadith no.2822 and 12837, al-Hakim al-Naysaburi narrated it in al-Mustadrak vol. 4, pg.397-398 from Hammad ibn Salama with this chain, and al-Hakim authenticated it according to the conditions set by Muslim, and al-Dhahabi agreed with it.


# On points 1&2 above, read some of the ahadith to their effects here:
www.nairaland.com/3394720/prophet-day-ashura-significance-ashura


LASTLY: We (shia) believed that Killing Hussein is like killing the Nabi himself. Nabi says, "Hussein is from me and I am from Hussein" {Sunan Tirmidhi}.

# Qur'an says, "say (O Muhammad): if (truly) you (the believers) love Allah, then follow me (i.e Nabi Muhammad); Allah will love you and forgive your sins".

* So, shia choose to remember Hussein on the day the Ummah of his father murdered him alongside member of his ahlulbayt and companions by crying, with sorrowful heart and deep mourning. Are we not following and upholding the Sunnah of Nabi?


# Paradise awaits

In the book Fadail as-Sahabah of Imam Ahmad b. Hanbal,
vol. 2, p. 675, # 1154, there is this sahih Sunni hadith:
Narrated al-Rabi' b. Munzir:

Husayn b. 'Ali used to say: "Anyone whose eyes are filled with tears for our sake, or tears drop from his eyes for our sake, Allah the Almighty, the Most Glorious will reward him with the Paradise."

Link: http://islamport.com/w/ajz/Web/2294/1170.htm

The report has an absolutely sahih sanad.

is it allowed in Islam to cry in grief (wail)when u lost someone (as practised during d period of jahhiliyya)?
d answer Is no because it burdens D soul of d deceased but wen u pray instead Allah will relieve his pain
dat wat I know since my 18yrs in life nd ISLAM
but thank GOD u metioned it your self"you shia" not "we muslims or mumin"
asalamu alaikum

umarsheks6:




is it allowed in Islam to cry in grief (wail)when u lost someone (as practised during d period of jahhiliyya)?
d answer Is no because it burdens D soul of d deceased but wen u pray instead Allah will relieve his pain
dat wat I know since my 18yrs in life nd ISLAM
but thank GOD u metioned it your self"you shia" not "we muslims or mumin"
asalamu alaikum

# I believe you are more intelligent than this. What you should've ask is: what brings about crying?

* Sometimes, and all the time (depending on who) that Quran is being read, the reciter shed tears. Why?

* A person that lost his/her child(ren), sometimes s/he remember the child perhaps with something specific, tears flows.

* Now forget about all the ahadith that reveal how our Prophet used to cry "anytime" he thinks about the death of his grandson, let's forget about those for a while. If you read what happened to Imam Hussain and his households with companions at the hand of the Ummah of his grandfather, if you are not cold hearted person, you will cry.


* Now if shia says s/he cries for Imam Hussain, what does it mean? It is usually as a result of dhikr (remembrance) Hussein: the heartfelt story of his shahadat.


# I heard a story about a Sunni sheik, a lecturer at college of Education, Oro, Kwara state. His speciality is sira (Islamic History). When the class reached the story of shahadat of Imam Hussain at Karbala, the sheik simply could not control his tears. He had to stop the class. The following day, the same thing happened, and the third day. Wallahi I heard from authoritative source that they have to switch to another story, and he asked them to go and read the story of Karbala themselves (i.e his students). Like I said, except you are a stone cold hearted person that tears will not roll down your eyes.

# Every year on the 10th of Muharram, shia attend various majalis where they listen to what happened to the Prophet's households at the hand of the Ummah of the Prophet. This is what usually brings tears. Haqiqatan, we are not crying for Hussein because he is sayyid shuhada (lord of all martyrs). We are crying for ourselves, for the Ummah of Muhammad, and asking what have we done. Nabi before he died says:

"O people! I have left two weighty things that if you hold on to it, you will never go astray; the book of Allah and my offspring, my Ahl al-Bayt. I remind you by Allah, of my Ahl al-Bayt! ]I remind you by Allah, of my Ahl al-Bayt! ]I remind you by Allah, of my Ahl al-Bayt!"

# How will this Ummah face their Prophet on the day of Qiyamat? According to Qur'an, the children of Israel were cursed as a result of their crimes which was killing of Prophets of God in their midst.

Our Prophet says:
"Husseinu minni wa ana min Hussein - Hussein is from me, and I am from Hussein

wa Salam alaykum

I didn't say don't cry for a dead u cry in ur hearth but not shouting like animals even up to d point of using sharp objects to tear ur self's INNALI LLAHI WA INNA ILLAHI RAGIUN
and d Imam u see or u hear crying wen dey read d Quran is wen dey come across wer Allah is reminding us of d Azaba of Dun'ya, kabar nd Ahira if u don't knw derre is azaba attached to every sinful act and Allah doesn't forgive shirka
my brother in Islam bcoz I still believe u r one of us we are muslims not animals Allah does no derive any joy frm us wailing and sheding blood even unbeliever who doesn't mean any harm talk less of our blood
frm griefing =anger =blood thirst=u start wounding urself den thirst grows and u start demanding for more blood= den u start killing other den u go rogue and uncontrolable

umarsheks6:
I didn't say don't cry for a dead u cry in ur hearth but not shouting like animals even up to d point of using sharp objects to tear ur self's INNALI LLAHI WA INNA ILLAHI RAGIUN
and d Imam u see or u hear crying wen dey read d Quran is wen dey come across wer Allah is reminding us of d Azaba of Dun'ya, kabar nd Ahira if u don't knw derre is azaba attached to every sinful act and Allah doesn't forgive shirka

# So, in your truthful research so far that is what MILLIONS of Shia Muslims worldwide do every year @underline?

# Those who engage in such weird practices are not terrorists rather they are SOME Shia Muslims acting and practising EXTREMISM. Using this fraction to represent the whole of MILLIONS of world Shia Muslims is not only ignorance but also unfair.


# ISIS, AL-QAEDA, BOKO HARAM et al with their barrage of atrocities profess SUNNI/SALAFI brand of Islam. Does that mean the whole of Sunni are terrorists or support terrorism?


# If western media were to report terrorism, they will say "the Islamist". You and I get furious at that. Isn't it? Good news, good deeds and good practices done by Muslims in their Millions is not praised, is not broadcasted BUT the heresy of "Islamist, the false representative of Sunni and Islam" who are fraction among the Muslims is joyously broadcast repetitively.


# Same goes for Shia commemorating Ashura. Millions don't practice tatbir or zanjir. To Shia enemies, that is not a news. However, the extreme practices that has no basis in any of Shi'i books of fiqh, is widely spread in the name of Shiism.


# Kindly read on Tatbir and Zanjir here:
www.nairaland.com/4085793/why-should-ban-tatbir-zanjir

www.nairaland.com/3395202/tatbir-flagellation-disturbing-innovation

# Attached pics below is Ashura commemoration in my Madrasa, in Qum.

You can watch video here, and read news here:
www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/10/01/537063/Islam-Shias-Ashura-Imam-Hussein-Iran-Karbala

am just pointing out real facts bcoz dat is how all d terorist groups starts b4 dey bcome uncontrollable

I watched dat live on hadiTV5 frm wat I saw yesterday (wat dey were practicing) it definately not ISLAM

umarsheks6:
I watched dat live on hadiTV5 frm wat I saw yesterday (wat dey were practicing) it definately not ISLAM

# If you want to watch satellite TV that represent the view of Shia majority of the world, watch

Ahlulbayt TV.

AlBaqir:


# If you want to watch satellite TV that represent the view of Shia majority of the world, watch

Ahlulbayt TV.

am tryin to pass a message and u r jst beating around d bush

umarsheks6:
am tryin to pass a message and u r jst beating around d bush

# Which message exactly are you trying to pass o? You are being enlighten on misconceptions yet you said you are passing a message. Kindly further enlighten me perhaps I will follow.

umarsheks6:
am just pointing out real facts bcoz dat is how all d terorist groups starts b4 dey bcome uncontrollable

# Was that how ISIS, AL-QAEDA, BOKO HARAM et al started , by (in your own word): "shouting like animals even up to d point of using sharp objects to tear ur self's"? Haba!

AlBaqir:


# Was that how ISIS, AL-QAEDA, BOKO HARAM et al started , by (in your own word): "shouting like animals even up to d point of using sharp objects to tear ur self's"? Haba!

yes one act leads to another
a donkey can only taken to a river but cannot b force to drink water d river


just close dis topic bcoz u r beginin to anoy me self

maasalaam

umarsheks6:
yes one act leads to another
a donkey can only taken to a river but cannot b force to drink water d river


just close dis topic bcoz u r beginin to anoy me self

maasalaam

# Obviously people like you can only get annoyed in a civil discussion where Quran commands, "...and argue with them in best possible way".


# Note, I am not forcing you or anybody else to the river (to accept), we are only here (on a public forum) to dialogue with sound argument.