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What We Can Learn From Catalonia by initiate: 2:38pm On Oct 02, 2017
Here the Catalonia's regional leader Carles Puigdemont poses next to a pro-independence supporter with a Catalan flag. Which south east governor can do this? Vote for pro Biafra politician come 2019. A unified voice is more effective than the scattered rebellious groups

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by nosiebaba(m): 2:45pm On Oct 02, 2017
You get mouth
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by deedeedee1: 3:24pm On Oct 02, 2017
This is what we have been saying. The easiest way you can get Biafra is when your leaders support you, even if other regions dont support it.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by qimo: 4:05pm On Oct 02, 2017
How can day win the support of pigs and idiots

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by tashashiel(f): 4:56pm On Oct 02, 2017
qimo:
How can day win the support of pigs and idiots
if you don't know what to say, better skip to other page... Conehead.....

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by initiate: 7:50pm On Oct 02, 2017
For trying to renounce their role in the proscription of Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB), second republic lawmaker, Junaid Muhammad, has described the Southeast governors as a bunch of confusionists.

Muhammad made the remark in response to an alleged declaration by Governor Okiezie Ikpeazu of Abia State, that southeast governors only banned IPOB, without declaring it a terrorist organisation.

It could be recalled that the governor had reportedly disclosed that “my duty and responsibility as at that day was to make sure that I avert bloodshed of monumental proportion

But in an interaction with The Guardian, the second republic lawmaker maintained that “owing to the fact that the southeast governors sat and held a meeting to proscribe the activities of IPOB as a result of their violent nature of agitation, justified their move to proscribe the activities of the terrorist group, what President Buhari did was only to enact a decision, which had been taken earlier by them.

“But I want to assure you that whether they proscribe it or not, whether they regard IPOB as terrorist, illegal or legal organisation, it remains proscribed and if they play games, they are going to be dealt with by the law.


“IPOB is an Igbo project, so don’t confuse yourself, the Igbo are the ones financing it, I don’t care whether the southeast governors are not in support of the proscription or not.”

https://m.guardian.ng/news/ipob-proscription-southeast-governors-are-confusionists-says-junaid/

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by UchaNwababa: 9:11pm On Oct 02, 2017
E concern me joor
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by pazienza(m): 9:32pm On Oct 02, 2017
Exactly. We are yet to put our house in order.

There are many pro Spain unity Catalonians, but Catalonians had so much put their house in order, that these pro Spanish Catalonians are not wielding much power or influence in Catalonia .

They had ensured that the pro independence Catalonians are in positions of authority.

The reverse is what we have in Igboland , and until we correct that , we would never be ready to truly push our self determination agenda.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by potipher7: 10:06pm On Oct 02, 2017
pazienza:
Exactly. We are yet to put our house in order.

There are many pro Spain unity Catalonians, but Catalonians had so much put their house in order, that these pro Spanish Catalonians are not wielding much power or influence in Catalonia .

They had ensured that the pro independence Catalonians are in positions of authority.

The reverse is what we have in Igboland , and until we correct that , we would never be ready to truly push our self determination agenda.
my brother those guys are selfless leaders that have the interest of their people in heart but over here we have bunch of selfish bastards that out of their selfishness will rather tell you to be biafran by heart and not by country.
I guess the catalan leaders are telling their people to be catalans by heart just like our selfish leaders do .
My brother the nigeria system is designed to favour politicians and you expect them to go against it.
Well the only one proving me wrong is Sen Abaribe .

Cc
Amarabae
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Throwback: 10:48pm On Oct 02, 2017
pazienza:
Exactly. We are yet to put our house in order.

There are many pro Spain unity Catalonians, but Catalonians had so much put their house in order, that these pro Spanish Catalonians are not wielding much power or influence in Catalonia .

They had ensured that the pro independence Catalonians are in positions of authority.

The reverse is what we have in Igboland , and until we correct that , we would never be ready to truly push our self determination agenda.

Goodmorning Sir!

So you finally woke up to the reality that IPOB firstly needed to influence regional politics, so that the constitutional regional leadership would be the ones to demand for whatever they desire at the center, whether constitutional or not.

When the recognised SouthEast leadership are ready to table their demands, only then would we have a mature debate as to the constitutionality, or political compromise to allow a referendum for the people of the SouthEast and other Igbo speaking sections to decide in agreement with their leaders or otherwise.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Nobody: 10:54pm On Oct 02, 2017
initiate:

“IPOB is an Igbo project, so don’t confuse yourself, the Igbo are the ones financing it, I don’t care whether the southeast governors are not in support of the proscription or not.”


Confirmed

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Throwback: 10:58pm On Oct 02, 2017
initiate:
Here the Catalonia's regional leader Carles Puigdemont poses next to a pro-independence supporter with a Catalan flag. Which south east governor can do this? Vote for pro Biafra politician come 2019. A unified voice is more effective than the scattered rebellious groups

The mistake you even make is to think that the Catalonian followership stirred up support in their leadership. Rather, it is the leadership that championed this demand and carefully orientated their citizens over the years towards embracing this agenda.

In Scotland, after the political leadership got the opportunity to have a referendum, the followership rejected the move and majority voted No.

In Nigeria, Kanu was just making noise and craftily setting up his own people to be massacred in other regions as a reaction to his vile hate propaganda. Hoping to use such event to advertise his campaign to the rest of the world that Igbos are being massacred, so they require independence, was Kanu's major game plan. He did not even care that the same SE region has an existing political leadership that was democratic and constitutional. He was simply living a megalomaniac's delusion.

It will never be well with Kanu up to his very last generation.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Dedetwo(m): 11:02pm On Oct 02, 2017
pazienza:
Exactly. We are yet to put our house in order.

There are many pro Spain unity Catalonians, but Catalonians had so much put their house in order, that these pro Spanish Catalonians are not wielding much power or influence in Catalonia .

They had ensured that the pro independence Catalonians are in positions of authority.

The reverse is what we have in Igboland , and until we correct that , we would never be ready to truly push our self determination agenda.

Bros this is not the matter of putting a house in order but a matter of selfish and idiocy endeavor on the part of the so-called Igbo governors. They simply became blinded with free money from Nigeria and totally forgot where some of the money are sourced. The names of these fools should not be spoken in Igbo land.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by proudlyYoruba(m): 11:04pm On Oct 02, 2017
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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Adetewa: 11:11pm On Oct 02, 2017
initiate:
Here the Catalonia's regional leader Carles Puigdemont poses next to a pro-independence supporter with a Catalan flag. Which south east governor can do this? Vote for pro Biafra politician come 2019. A unified voice is more effective than the scattered rebellious groups
@op
this is the only lesson you can learn from Catalonia?
what about;
i. greediness of Catalan
ii. the lawlessness of Catalan
iii. their lack of respect to human life and human union.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by pazienza(m): 11:14pm On Oct 02, 2017
Dedetwo:


Bros this is not the matter of putting a house in order but a matter of selfish and idiocy endeavor on the part of the so-called Igbo governors. They simply became blinded with free money from Nigeria and totally forgot where some of the money is sourced. The names of these fools should not be spoken in Igbo land.

Those politicians were pro Nigeria from the word go.
They were never Biafrans.
Money always meant more for them than the love for mother Biafra.

We must start puting real men whose love for Biafra can never be compromised on positions of influence.
These men would also start preparing for total independence of our region by working out an economic model that would see us less and less dependent on Nigeria and her systems. This would translate to good governance and foresight on part of these leaders.

Catalonia didn't become what it is today by happenstance. It was by carefully thought out and executed design by passionate pro independence leaders who worked for the future, and saw the present we currently live in years ago.

Look at what Barcelona president and other top influential Catalonians are doing. They are leading from the front lines.

Catalonia had managed to place die hard pro Catalonia independence men and women who can never be cowed by the lucre from Madrid or political threats, in positions of authority.

We in Biafra haven't. It pains me when we refuse to recognize this.
You can't be fighting outside enemies when you are yet to take care of the in house ones who would happily serve as their corraborators.
Doing this is tantamount to self destruction.

Look at influential men like Xavi, Pique, Guardiola, speaking out publicly for Catalonia independence and referendum , without fear of Spanish government that had since labelled the referendum illegal.
What it means is that, by supporting the referendum, pique, Xavi, and co are commiting a crime.
Yet, they are such diehards that they don't care.

How many of our Igbo celebrities identity with the Biafra ideology? They are more interested in keeping large Nigerian fan base, it's all about lucre for them.

Our work is cut out for us. We can nolonger deny the obvious, there is no hiding place for us now.

We must go to the basics. We must put our house in order first .

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Mujaheeeden: 11:59pm On Oct 02, 2017
tashashiel:
if you don't know what to say, better skip to other page... Conehead.....
You look damn pretty. Are you a Nigerian?
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Blue3k(m): 3:14am On Oct 03, 2017
Throwback:


Goodmorning Sir!

So you finally woke up to the reality that IPOB firstly needed to influence regional politics, so that the constitutional regional leadership would be the ones to demand for whatever they desire at the center, whether constitutional or not.

When the recognised SouthEast leadership are ready to table their demands, only then would we have a mature debate as to the constitutionality, or political compromise to allow a referendum for the people of the South East and other Igbo speaking sections to decide in agreement with their leaders or otherwise.

Alot of IPOB are slow learners. People have been suggesting tell your representatives to pass a motion. Elect people that are sympathetic to struggle they wont listen. They don't use their supposed popularity for political influence like their ideological brothers.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Dedetwo(m): 4:09am On Oct 03, 2017
pazienza:


Those politicians were pro Nigeria from the word go.
They were never Biafrans.
Money always meant more for them than the love for mother Biafra.

We must start puting real men whose love for Biafra can never be compromised on positions of influence.
These men would also start preparing for total independence of our region by working out an economic model that would see us less and less dependent on Nigeria and her systems. This would translate to good governance and foresight on part of these leaders.

Catalonia didn't become what it is today by happenstance. It was by carefully thought out and executed design by passionate pro independence leaders who worked for the future, and saw the present we currently live in years ago.

Look at what Barcelona president and other top influential Catalonians are doing. They are leading from the front lines.

Catalonia had managed to place die hard pro Catalonia independence men and women who can never be cowed by the lucre from Madrid or political threats, in positions of authority.

We in Biafra haven't. It pains me when we refuse to recognize this.
You can't be fighting outside enemies when you are yet to take care of the in house ones who would happily serve as their corraborators.
Doing this is tantamount to self destruction.

Look at influential men like Xavi, Pique, Guardiola, speaking out publicly for Catalonia independence and referendum , without fear of Spanish government that had since labelled the referendum illegal.
What it means is that, by supporting the referendum, pique, Xavi, and co are commiting a crime.
Yet, they are such diehards that they don't care.

How many of our Igbo celebrities identity with the Biafra ideology? They are more interested in keeping large Nigerian fan base, it's all about lucre for them.

Our work is cut out for us. We can nolonger deny the obvious, there is no hiding place for us now.

We must go to the basics. We must put our house in order first .

Have you seen any of those jackasses even dressed as Igbo man in the purest of Igbo cultural attire. Most dressed like Hausawa.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by pazienza(m): 4:26am On Oct 03, 2017
Dedetwo:


Have you seen any of those jackasses even dressed as Igbo man in the purest of Igbo cultural attire. Most dressed like Hausawa.

Exactly. Which is the more reason we must wrestle political influence from them. If we don't do this we will continue to move in circles.

Do you know that even in Catalonia, there are many politicians who favour Spanish unity.

Difference being that the most influential ones are pro independent Catalonia.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by OjukwuWarBird: 5:29am On Oct 03, 2017
Blue3k:


Alot of IPOB are slow learners. People have been suggesting tell your representatives to pass a motion. Elect people that are sympathetic to struggle they wont listen. They don't use their supposed popularity for political influence like their ideological brothers.



The problem with people like you and throwback is that you guys think you are smart but you guys aren't smart at all



Few questions you guys should ask yourselves are


1) Elections in Catalonia territory in Spain and Biafra territory in Nigeria are they the same.?


2) Do politicians undergo a juju initiation in Catalonia territory as required in Biafran territory before being given power.?

3) Uche Ogah the owner of Masters Energy was told to swear an allegiance to a shrine before being given power and as a Christian, he backed out. Do things like this occur in Catalonia territory in Spain.?

4) Electoral Manipulation, does it occur in Catalonia territory in Spain as it does in Biafra territory in Nigeria.?



As for you Pazienza, Dedetwo and potipher7 , do you know that they are many ways to prepare a yam for supper

You can fry it, cook it, boil it, roast it etc

My point is that, in life don't approach a problem with only a solution. Rather approach a problem with multiple solutions so that where one solution fails, another might succeed.

Example, if you want to gain admission into the university and you have money, then go for predegree and post UTME simultaneously so that if one fails another will succeed.



NOW TO THE MAIN POINT


One way all Biafran groups can achieve what you said Pazienza, is to use the funds raised by Biafrans in diaspora to establish Small & Medium scale industries that can employ only Pro-Biafrans and to establish a not more than 5% annual interest loan for Pro Biafrans especially market women & youths who have technological products that can be industrialized.

The names of these industries established by the Biafran groups using the Diaspora funds will not be made public over Biafran radio but rather the Biafrans will just say funds are being used to industrialize Biafran land in order to encourage more Diaspora Biafrans to make more contributions. The same should be done for financial institutions set up by the Biafrans.

Once people realize that being connected to Biafra lift them out of Nigerian Stagnancy unto Biafran Prosperity, the population of fanatical Pro Biafrans will swell.

These fanatical Biafrans will be the ones who will ensure that during election, that our people are mobilized to vote for Pro-Biafrans into power.


Since our people are fed up with Pro Nigerian Igbos in power, they will vote massively for those Pro Biafran Igbos but the election might be rigged against them because they have not swore loyalty to a Juju shrine by the powers that be who control INEC and ISEC.




HOW DO WE CROSS OVER THE LAST HURDLE ( Juju Shrine Oath of Allegiance )

1) With wealth generated by the covert industries and financial institutions established by Biafrans, sponsor people to become INEC and ISEC officials at all levels since they are the ones that announces results.

2) Train members of Biafran Secret Service to conceal their membership in public in order to easily protect these INEC officials from assassinations and kill those Pro Nigerian Igbos in power that want to kill these INEC & ISEC officials.



IN SUMMARY ON HOW TO GET POLITICAL POWER IN BIAFRA TERRITORY IN NIGERIA

1) Take away hunger from the belly of people in order to win their allegiance. Do this through industrial jobs and Cheap loans.

2) Fix bold people into INEC and ISEC jobs who will announce the real results no matter the threat to their lives.

3) Ensure that secret members of BSS are always available in shadows to protect them and kill thugs sent to assassinate them.

4) Tell them who to vote in each political party primaries in order to have Biafrans in all political parties.

5) Tell them who to vote for on the day of election.


6) Use money to ensure that Pro Biafrans are given jobs in the police army navy etc in order to cover up the tracks of BSS after the assassination of thugs sent against Pro Biafran INEC & ISEC officials.

7) Use money to finance people to the post of judges as back up plan to annul the elections that were rigged against Pro Biafrans.

8 ) Set up Biafran Technological Research Society that will harness the knowledge of Biafrans in establishing industries with indigenous ideas.

This society will not only conduct Research but also empower those with technological products that can be industrialized


Pazienza Dedetwo and potipher7 , hope my points are clear.


Correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by OjukwuWarBird: 5:34am On Oct 03, 2017
Pazienza Dedetwo and potipher7 pls endeavor to carefully go through my post directly above
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Eastfield1: 5:37am On Oct 03, 2017
pazienza:


Exactly. Which is the more reason we must wrestle political influence from them. If we don't do this we will continue to move in circles.

Do you know that even in Catalonia, there are many politicians who favour Spanish unity.

Difference being that the most influential ones are pro independent Catalonia.
its not about pro Biafra.
this is abt Fear factor
SE leaders are Cowards
Do you espect People who couldn't stand with you against Fulani herdsmen to stand with you against a government that they fear will come after their corrupt asses & their money siphoning position??
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by OjukwuWarBird: 5:42am On Oct 03, 2017
Eastfield1:
its not about pro Biafra.
this is abt Fear factor
SE leaders are Cowards
Do you espect People who couldn't stand with you against Fulani herdsmen to stand with you against a government that they fear will come after their corrupt asses & their money siphoning position??


You are saying almost the same thing with him


He is saying that we must install Pro Biafrans into power and you know that Pro Biafrans are fearless.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by Eastfield1: 5:44am On Oct 03, 2017
OjukwuWarBird:



You are saying almost the same thing with him


He is saying that we must install Pro Biafrans into power and you know that Pro Biafrans are fearless.
How do we know when they get there that they won't become like others after testing the pot
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by OjukwuWarBird: 5:52am On Oct 03, 2017
Eastfield1:
How do we know when they get there that they won't become like others after testing the pot


Assassinate them if they fail the Biafrans.


Through that means, everyone will know that death will surely visit them if they betray the objective


That is why I believe that BSS should have secret assassination squad whose members are unknown to other Biafrans.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by potipher7: 6:30am On Oct 03, 2017
OjukwuWarBird:
Pazienza Dedetwo and potipher7 pls endeavor to carefully go through my post directly above
correct though some sound unrealistic especially in nigerian settings where our youths care about money that their future generations
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by initiate: 7:41am On Oct 03, 2017
OjukwuWarBird:









HOW DO WE CROSS OVER THE LAST HURDLE ( Juju Shrine Oath of Allegiance )

1) With wealth generated by the covert industries and financial institutions established by Biafrans, sponsor people to become INEC and ISEC officials at all levels since they are the ones that announces results.

2) Train members of Biafran Secret Service to conceal their membership in public in order to easily protect these INEC officials from assassinations and kill those Pro Nigerian Igbos in power that want to kill these INEC & ISEC officials.




Correct me if I am wrong.


if you are in Nigeria you will know that this allegiance cant be guaranteed without the said oath!

you even want to amass funds from the diaspora and administer liberally without guarantee once anyone claims ipob? in your dreams man!
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by gidgiddy: 8:04am On Oct 03, 2017
initiate:
Here the Catalonia's regional leader Carles Puigdemont poses next to a pro-independence supporter with a Catalan flag. Which south east governor can do this? Vote for pro Biafra politician come 2019. A unified voice is more effective than the scattered rebellious groups

A pro Biafra Governor? A Governor who will be eagerly waiting for monthly allocation from Abuja which can be jeopardised by being pro Biafran

A pro Biafran Governor who will have to swear several oaths of allegiance to Nigeria.

A pro Biafran governor who is likely to face impeachment for pro Bisfran activity?

I think the most important thing to learn about the Catalan referendum is that referendum is not a call for war.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by OjukwuWarBird: 8:04am On Oct 03, 2017
potipher7:
correct though some sound unrealistic especially in nigerian settings where our youths care about money that their future generations


Use those covert industrial jobs to win them over to your side


A youth that has benefitted from the job placement can easily convince his unemployed or poor friends that your plan will benefit them as it benefitted him.
Re: What We Can Learn From Catalonia by OjukwuWarBird: 8:06am On Oct 03, 2017
gidgiddy:


A pro Biafra Governor? A Governor who will be eagerly waiting for monthly allocation from Abuja which can be jeopardised by being pro Biafran

A pro Biafran Governor who will have to swear several oaths of allegiance to Nigeria.

A pro Biafran governor who is likely to face impeachment for pro Bisfran activity?

I think the most important thing to learn about the Catalan referendum is that referendum is not a call for war.




Go and read the story of late Sam Mbakwe the former governor of old IMO State.

No matter the money given to him from the center, he never abandoned his people


Have you heard of IMO airport.?

It was built in his time using state funds and citizens contributions.

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