how can they be partners in the looting spree and they come tearing themselves out in the open ?

Make we leave matter for Matthias jare, we the AC core guys know where this will lead ; we will defect to Labour Party since we have decided not to dance to Tinubu's orgy of shame of looting Lagos dry !!!

u guys wont understand . . .but please the educated ones should advise these illiterates that claim to have evidence against Fashola to take him to EFCC, take their case to the courts, at least if they claim he is subverting justice in the state, there are higher courts outside his immediate jurisdiction, all those are better than all this show of shame called THE ANTI-BRF CRUSADE !

if they are not partners, BRF would have cancelled these contracts or involved EFCC in the matter.
Is that as hard as building nukes?
or is he too much of a gentleman to ruffle feathers?

not so fast bro . . .

sinners dont get wiped off the surface of the earth that fast !

Dr Kitaun:

not so fast bro . . .

sinners dont get wiped off the surface of the earth that fast !

Dr. Kitaun, funny enough, I don't believe Fashola is benefitting from any of these deals. I believe him to be more circumspect than that. He will probably want to rely on the goodwill of guys like Olowo-what's-his-face for future directorships or what-not. That is not illegal, and he will not have soiled his hands in any way.

However, he will have a tough time with guys who have no inside information, and who have the power to REALLY grill him, if he does not begin to reverse the "spoils" which Tinubu seems to have cornered. No sector is sacred to Tinubu. Even health care is just another feeding point to him.

Fashola needs to urgently review the concession of Lekki-Epe expressway, and if possible, end the arrangement as soon as possible. The longer it drags on, the harder it becomes for him to convince anyone of his own personal innocence in the matter. Moreover, a large proportion of the employers of labour in Lagos inhabit that part of town, and they are not happy campers right now. The disaffection is growing with the sprouting up of the toll booths, and if allowed to grow, it may consume Fashola.

I am appealing to him, in the name of the preservation of his good family name, and his own future liberty, to do the right thing with ALL of Tinubu's "spoils" of office immediately.

doyin13:

I don't want to hold court for Fashola or Tinubu. . .

but the recent upsurge in criticisms stinks as much as
the contracts they are directed against.

There is a reason Fashola is widely revered, the formidable
public relations machine aside.

The formidable public relations machine that he has yet to use to CLEAR THE AIR on many of the allegations, some of which are so many years old. I think the man, by his inaction/refusal to address the issues/questions supposedly brought up by the PEOPLE continues to set himself up for more, and this will likely do more harm than good to his image.

doyin13:

There is a sense of direction and purpose that has given
many lagosians hope that is in short supply anywhere else in
the nation.

Sense of direction DOES NOT answer or erase allegations, and people know this. The concerns are legit in many of the cases. It makes no sense that answers are not been provided at all.

doyin13:

Now the critics have crawled from everywhere and cried to high
heavens over accountability. Remember, this contract is almost
half a decade old now, and all of a sudden a year to new elections
all this malarky.

Nothing stops the current governor from reviewing all contracts signed by previous administration to ensure they were handled by the book.

doyin13:

The clamour should be for openness in government and not for
Fashola's head. That is a crusade I might believe in and not
the buzz of opportunists as we have now.

If you really followed the situation carefully from the start, you would agree that majority were calls for openness and answers to questions. But the Government essentially decided instead to put together a PR force to sort of out-shout the critics, and since then we have seen more and more calls for the Governors head as a result. This development did not come out of thin air.

You can certainly understand the frustrations here. We even have some of the Governor’s PR folks on nairaland here and rather than DIRECTLY answer questions, what most have been doing is essentially try to INSULT and PUSH down any call for info on the part of the government. Not saying this is just a Lagos thing as I have seen PR folks for other governors on here who follow the same technique, which 99.9% of the times leaves people more suspicious of the arrangement than anything else.

Openness in government is essential and it goes a long way in answering critical questions asked and essentially helping the people understand that Government is on their side. However, when Government avoids providing direct answers to questions and chooses instead to set up PR machines to manage the government’s image, then the situation only gets worse, and that should be expected.

Good news is soon, the FOI bill will be signed in Law in the state, according to reports I have read, and groups and critics will, I hope, finally have, access to all information to help answer their questions and concerns.

This Kobojunkie is as dumb as ever!

Everybody here on NL since way back had known me to be die-hard AC, my maternal grandfather was a great leader of UPN, my father is himself a leader in the current setup so I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABT.

SILENCE IS GOLDEN, if y'all have facts and evidences, EFCC wouldnt turn u back!!!

Have u been to your Ikorodu lately? Tenancy rates there have become as high as BRF giving d tenancy bill utmost priority, do we call that backlash of development?

Felele

talk true, u lost out on that contract? LOL

Dr Kitaun:

This Kobojunkie is as dumb as ever!
Everybody here on NL since way back had known me to be die-hard AC, my maternal grandfather was a great leader of UPN, my father is himself a leader in the current setup so I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABT.

SILENCE IS GOLDEN, if y'all have facts and evidences, EFCC wouldnt turn u back!!!

Have u been to your Ikorodu lately? Tenancy rates there have become as high as BRF giving d tenancy bill utmost priority, do we call that backlash of development?

Felele

talk true, u lost out on that contract? LOL

Do you need more evidence of the sort of destructive methods applied by the so-called PR machine? @Doyin.

It is really terrible, and I wonder sometimes if the Government understands what a terrible job these so called PR Agents/Agberos are really doing to it's image at the end of the day.  When a call for information is met with BLOCKAGES and tactics meant to shift focus from the issue at hand to others, their is that tendency for people to wonder what is going on and and why the run arounds. That appears to be the case here.

We were told many months ago by some of the PR agents that there was no issues between Tinubua and Fashola camp, but now it is all too clear that there has been some serious rifts between the two camps and the same PR agents today do all to blame the other camp for it all.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-362534.0.html

Ode! No, I meant to say MUMU . . .no wonder ur junk worth is in kobo, only lowlifes have such appaling reputation!

BRF doesnt need any PR personnel, his silence is what is confounding known recidivists like u, gbengapro and forpeace

u guys should stop being pusillanimous and step ur game up, we are getting bored already OR HAVE UR HARD FACTS BEEN BURNT UP BY BRF TOO?

Awon irankiran eda, awon oponu ara galatia!!!

Kobojunkie

stop chatting bollocks, the cold war between BRF and BAT started long ago when BRF made it clear that IT WOULD NOT BE BUSINESS AS USUAL!

Dr Kitaun:

Kobojunkie

stop chatting bollocks, the cold war between BRF and BAT started long ago when BRF made it clear that IT WOULD NOT BE BUSINESS AS USUAL!

Dr Kitaun:

This Kobojunkie is as dumb as ever!

Everybody here on NL since way back had known me to be die-hard AC, my maternal grandfather was a great leader of UPN, my father is himself a leader in the current setup so I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABT.

SILENCE IS GOLDEN, if y'all have facts and evidences, EFCC wouldnt turn u back!!!

Have u been to your Ikorodu lately? Tenancy rates there have become as high as BRF giving d tenancy bill utmost priority, do we call that backlash of development?

Felele

talk true, u lost out on that contract? LOL

get off Kobo's case.
She is not as dumb as your comments portray you to be.
SILENCE IS GOLDEN is a misused maxim in this case.
Clear the air and puncture the hot air that is causing a distraction to your government and lets all move on.
By not clearing the air,the guy is giving the impression that he has answers that are contrary to the image that he has in the public.
again i ask, what is so hard in reversing fraudulent decisions of the past administration?
IT WILL NO LONGER BE BUSINESS AS USUAL but the fraud of the recent past will remain unvisited abi?
if you believe that crap, then give me a call cos i have a bridge to sell you.
by the way, the price is negotiable.

Dr Kitaun:

This Kobojunkie is as dumb as ever!

Everybody here on NL since way back had known me to be die-hard AC, my maternal grandfather was a great leader of UPN, my father is himself a leader in the current setup so I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABT.

SILENCE IS GOLDEN, if y'all have facts and evidences, EFCC wouldnt turn u back!!!

Have u been to your Ikorodu lately? Tenancy rates there have become as high as BRF giving d tenancy bill utmost priority, do we call that backlash of development?

Felele

talk true, u lost out on that contract? LOL

Er, actually, my good [size=20pt]Dr. Kitaun[/size], no. You couldn't be further from the truth on that one.

Besides the fact that I DO NOT do government contracts, I actually suspected this deal from day one, when they said it would cost N50 billion. It's not a completely new road, fer chrissakes, even if it were, it would still not cost [size=20pt]N1 billion per kilometre![/size]

The clincher for me was the sudden need of the Lagos State government of the day to part with [size=20pt]1500 hectares of prime Lekki land[/size] as their own contribution to the deal. If they are contributing about HALF the cost of building the road, why not kuku finance the whole thing with taxpayers' funds, which they alleged was about [size=20pt]N8 billion gross per month[/size] (Tinubu's boast on IGR, not mine), and not disenfranchise the indigenous landowners in the name of "Public Private Partnership", their buzzword of the time?

I am just pissed that Ikorodu road was built by some individuals with their funds and contributions from others, yet they did not ask for a penny in return, yet so called Governors are annexing public property in the name of development. Tinubu must think we all have sawdust for brains.

Fashola NEEDS TO CANCEL THIS DEAL AND RETURN THE ROAD TO PUBLIC OWNERSHIP, while at the same time revoke the 1500 hectares allocated to ARM and return same to the indigenous people who own the land!!!!

"Silence is Golden" in democracy? lol

Dr Kitaun:

This Kobojunkie is as dumb as ever!

Everybody here on NL since way back had known me to be die-hard AC, my maternal grandfather was a great leader of UPN, my father is himself a leader in the current setup so I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABT.

SILENCE IS GOLDEN, if y'all have facts and evidences, EFCC wouldnt turn u back!!!

Have u been to your Ikorodu lately? Tenancy rates there have become as high as BRF giving d tenancy bill utmost priority, do we call that backlash of development?

Felele

talk true, u lost out on that contract? LOL

Kobojunkie is dumb because she asked for accountability and openness in Governor Fashola's projects. I wonder what makes a person wise.

Since you are a die-hard AC member, you should be able to provide some of the answers we seek of the Lekki Road project, but you instead question the intelligence of people asking. Please tell me what AC as a party stands for, and how they are different from PDP. What differentiate you from all other parties in Nigeria. To me AC, PDP, and all other parties are one and the same. They are all a confused agglomeration of different selfish interest struggling for power for the sake of power only.

If your great-grand father was UPN, why did his siblings -you and your father abandon awoist philosophies, at least your grand father would have been inculcated with UPN (awoist) agenda. The core Awoist philosophies involves socialist philosophies like free education, free health care, mass housing, intensive social  agriculture, industrialization and other people oriented programmes. Please explain why you and AC are now core capitalists like the NPN of old and prefer to sell state assets to individuals including roads. You people have abandoned free education for expensive education, socialism for hard core capitalism. why have the Yorubas suddenly gone capitalist.

Please explain.

I hope i am not also asking dumb questions.

koboshemale

The formidable public relations machine that he has yet to use to CLEAR THE AIR on many of the allegations, some of which are so many years old. I think the man, by his inaction/refusal to address the issues/questions supposedly brought up by the PEOPLE continues to set himself up for more, and this will likely do more harm than good to his image.

this is the only time i have to agree with u but fool like dr kit thinks we are fools

Here we go again , the bandwagon of anti-progress, anti-success, anti-development and Jealous Fashola detractors.

To those who say he has not replied the allegations. . .

I wonder what he might say, ''It is the work of my political enemies. . .the work of my enemies''

Where have we heard that before eh?

The avenues for his critics are not closed. They should pursue him and get the EFCC to be on his case.
If the state courts prove to be an intractable course, they can always go Federal.

Come to think of it. . .It is weird these critics chose the State House of Assembly as the court of first instance

its so unfortunate that Fashola is like every other Nigerian politician, but more sophisticated and deceptive. We are facing the new generation of THIEVES. the shrewd use of propaganda and and the effect of illiteracy has made him a hero.

Illiterates like kobojunkie, mbulela, wirinet and the other twats just keep forgetting the EFCC and the various Courts are still active . . .

@wirinet

dont be foolish! Nobody is playing tribal politics any more and Awoist policies died with the man such that even HID has not been Awoist in behaviour. Its sad but the only way the Yorubas could get integrated into the mainstream was to move a little bit left.

Dr Kitaun:

Illiterates like kobojunkie, mbulela, wirinet and the other twats just keep forgetting the EFCC and the various Courts are still active . . .

@wirinet

dont be foolish! Nobody is playing tribal politics any more and Awoist policies died with the man such that even HID has not been Awoist in behaviour. Its sad but the only way the Yorubas could get integrated into the mainstream was to move a little bit left.

It is a pity, those calling others illiterates should test their literacy level. They are only literate in abusive words and are unable to string together a decent argument.

Awoist policies are not tribal in Nature, they are socialist. Except you want to equate socialism with tribalism. Awoist policies as i said is socialist and a lot of European nations are still practicing socialism. Further more HID had never claimed to be Awoist, the Known Awoist of old were Bola Ige, Jakande, Ebenezer Babatope and members of Action Group and UPN.

Your are showing your literacy levels by saying " the only way the Yorubas could get integrated into the mainstream was to move a little bit left.". Do you exactly know what you are saying, Doing you even know what "Left" means in terms of political orientation. The Yorubas had always been to the left, it is recently that Yorubas had shifted to the right - far right for that matter, as exemplified by AD and AC.

Please get some political education.

doyin13:

To those who say he has not replied the allegations. . .

I wonder what he might say, ''It is the work of my political enemies. . .the work of my enemies''
Where have we heard that before eh?

I think the man is too intelligent to use that ridiculous excuse. Like I said, All he needs to do is HONOR our democracy by understanding that the people HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. This blame game is not working for either camp.

doyin13:

The avenues for his critics are not closed. They should pursue him and get the EFCC to be on his case.
If the state courts prove to be an intractable course, they can always go Federal.

Come to think of it. . .It is weird these critics chose the State House of Assembly as the court of first instance

How do you get the EFCC on a case? By making an allegation? BY calling on the government to answer questions on how funds were used? By demanding the governments explain how resources and contracts were managed or doled out? Do you not see that the critics have already done a lot of that to this point? Only a couple of days ago, I read that the courts put down a call to investigate the government. I think that is a wrong move and a blow to democracy.


It is easy to think that critics are AGAINST or ANTI a certain government. That is not the case here, and I believe that is not even true in majority of the cases put forth. I think this time around, the people really want to know what is going on. I want to know! Why can’t the people ask questions? Why can’t the people get real answers( no excuses), and the rumors quelled?


Again, someone said SILENCE IN GOLDEN and I wonder if that person thinks Democracy is some sort of dictatorial system. “Silence is Golden” does not, I repeat, does not work in a democracy. It is ANTI-DEMOCRACY. We just went through a period were a whole nation of 150 million people were left in the dark as to the whereabouts of their president, and the state of their government. I am sure any sane mind out there would be willing to admit that it would be best we never have to deal with such again considering the impact that hard on the nation as a whole and our image on the global scene.

All these talk reminds of the animal kingdom.

Hyenas never attack the big bold lion who roars real loud,

they never attack the elephant coz of its size.

Instead, they go for the little animal, because they perceive it as weak.

True democracy is perfection, and Nigeria will eventually get there, but while we are on our way there, we shouldn't mistake people who try to be different from the rest by doing "good" as being weak.

Pls before you reply. take note that i'm not making a case for corruption, i'm just saying that all systems (even democracy) have to be adapted to the current situation in the place where it is being practiced.

And the current situation in Nigeria is far from perfect. So someone who is moving towards the ideal situation can be easily assumed as easy target for the idealists. But targeting the "good" people will not make anything better.

ziga:

Pls before you reply. take note that i'm not making a case for corruption, i'm just saying that all systems (even democracy) have to be adapted to the current situation in the place where it is being practiced.

And the current situation in Nigeria is far from perfect. So someone who is moving towards the ideal situation can be easily assumed as easy target for the idealists. But targeting the "good" people will not make anything better.

I have to respond to this one here. . . .

Why is it that we PICK AND CHOOSE, when most convenient for us, WHERE TO APPLY the above? Would you also apply the above to the situation with Yar adua? Iwu? Sanusi? Other state governors?

I think the problem with what you have above is you assume that choosing to ASK QUESTIONS OF GOVERNMENT, or CRITICIZE government IMPLIES TARGETTING GOVERNMENT. Is that the case here?

Criticism, Questions, etc have been part of most all systems from the get go. Yes, We have systems that ACTIVELY work to quell opposition/dissenting opinions of any kind, but NOTE- it is NOT the case that these opinions do not exist at all but that they are being put down in these systems.

What we have is a democracy, and we have had it for about 10 years now. One of the advantages of fundamentals of a democracy is that the people have a say in government. So, no matter what type of democracy you want to have, it is fundamental that the people be alongside government. IF NOT, it ceases to be a democracy and can then be defined as some other system of rule but democracy. So, I disagree with what you have above there. There is NO REASON why government SHOULD NOT provide people with information about how Government runs. NO EXCUSE IS GOOD ENOUGH IN THIS CASE. The almighty Nigerian excuse CANNOT be used, even in this case to justify SILENCE on the part of the government.

lol. . .I know ziga's line of thought is faulty kobojunkie.


But I empathise with him. . .

Sometimes one is just so burdened by hopelessness when it comes
to Nigeria that even the faintest glimmer will lead to a temporary suspension
of principles, beliefs, ideals etc.

We all know how it should be and the standards we should expect of our leaders.

But can I blame those who forgive Fashola the odd misdemeanour after he has given
the populace an idea of the possibilities.

And can I blame those who are so eager to get rid of Yaradua after three years
of ineptitude and inertia.

Or Iwu after incompetence in every respect.

@Wirinet

my bad! Meant to write : a little left to a little right- this explicable from the body of my statement.

So u are here claiming HID was never Awoist? Jesus wept!!!

Dont get it twisted, the Yorubas were always deemed guilty of tribal politics despite the strong culture of socialism

Kobojunkie:

I think the man is too intelligent to use that ridiculous excuse. Like I said, All he needs to do is HONOR our democracy by understanding that the people HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW. This blame game is not working for either camp.


Again, someone said SILENCE IN GOLDEN and I wonder if that person thinks Democracy is some sort of dictatorial system. “Silence is Golden” does not, I repeat, does not work in a democracy. It is ANTI-DEMOCRACY. We just went through a period were a whole nation of 150 million people were left in the dark as to the whereabouts of their president, and the state of their government. I am sure any sane mind out there would be willing to admit that it would be best we never have to deal with such again considering the impact that hard on the nation as a whole and our image on the global scene.

This becoming the greatest downfall of our present political space.
The tendency to govern by rumours,lies and deceit.
As Nigerians become more and more integrated to the global community, the need for information becomes more relevant.
The same thing happened in Yar Adua's presidency.His health issue began and the people began to ask questions.
Instead of answering the questions pointedly, the likes of Akunyili, Segun Adeniyi and that i.m.b.e.c.i.l.e who is the ambassador in Saudi Arabia were feeding the public outright lies and deceit.
The ruling cabal used the Nigerian media to perpetuate rumours (even went as far as deploying a noble and respected institution like the BBC).
The man will fly in and out and instead of doing the proper thing and keeping the public informed, we were told he was going for short hajj and long hajj.
Now they are embroiled and tangled in their own web of lies and deceit.
Now truth and rumour are so intimate that the public no longer cares for the demarcating line.

The same will be the end of this Lekki scam if Fashola does not address the issues at stake wholly and directly.
In a democracy, the people have a right to know.
A denial of that right destroys the government more than it destroys the people.

The problem here is: why should Fashola be bothered enuff to respond to all the applesauce passed his way, which STUPIDLY AND KNOWINGLY havent gone thru the right channel?

LSHA couldnt do much as they couldnt be the judge in their own case, WHY ACCUSE 2 PEOPLE AND TAKE TO 1 OF THEM TO JUDGE, ONLY TO COME BACK TO APOLOGISE TO THE ACCUSED_ JUDGE?

Nauseating!

As per the toll scam, I KNOW FOR ONE, BRF IS HOLDING CONSULTATIONS OVER THE MATTER!

Going back n forth with these clowns is absolutely unnecessary and pointless. Let them weave and swim in their conspiracy theories and mindless rants.

Why respond to people who don't have to prove their allegations and ridiculous innuendos with documented facts and evidence? All they have is mindless rants and hearsays. Till they come up with something, just ignore them.


The burden is on them, not you. They are nothing but needless distraction.

Very accurate!

babapupa:

Going back n forth with these clowns is absolutely unnecessary and pointless. Let them weave and swim in their conspiracy theories and mindless rants.

Why respond to people who don't have to prove their allegations and ridiculous innuendos with documented facts and evidence? All they have is mindless rants and hearsays. Till they come up with something, just ignore them.


The burden is on them, not you. They are nothing but needless distraction.

i know where we first heard a similar argument.

Kobojunkie:

I have to respond to this one here. . . .

Why is it that we PICK AND CHOOSE, when most convenient for us, WHERE TO APPLY the above? Would you also apply the above to the situation with Yar adua? Iwu? Sanusi? Other state governors?

I think the problem with what you have above is you assume that choosing to ASK QUESTIONS OF GOVERNMENT, or CRITICIZE government IMPLIES TARGETTING GOVERNMENT. Is that the case here?

Criticism, Questions, etc have been part of most all systems from the get go. Yes, We have systems that ACTIVELY work to quell opposition/dissenting opinions of any kind, but NOTE- it is NOT the case that these opinions do not exist at all but that they are being put down in these systems.

What we have is a democracy, and we have had it for about 10 years now. One of the advantages of fundamentals of a democracy is that the people have a say in government. So, no matter what type of democracy you want to have, it is fundamental that the people be alongside government. IF NOT, it ceases to be a democracy and can then be defined as some other system of rule but democracy. So, I disagree with what you have above there. There is NO REASON why government SHOULD NOT provide people with information about how Government runs. NO EXCUSE IS GOOD ENOUGH IN THIS CASE. The almighty Nigerian excuse CANNOT be used, even in this case to justify SILENCE on the part of the government.

I'm so sorry that you misunderstand my point like i thought.

Talking about picking and choosing, who is picking and choosing? You are selectively attacking the only government that has been trying to even listen to the people because he has been listening?

If we choose not to pick and choose, then the same agents spreading these allegations should go dig up the affairs of every politician in office and lay it out on the table. That will be true democracy.

@doyin13

I have a lot of hope in Naija. Change doesn't happen all of a sudden. It happens in stages. Go ask the man who has been walking for years in the desert why he hasn't had a bath. The standards of Democracy in Nigeria and many other countries is not where it should be, and it will take a while for us to get there.

And BRF is moving in the right direction.

ziga:

I'm so sorry that you misunderstand my point like i thought.

Talking about picking and choosing, who is picking and choosing? You are selectively attacking the only government that has been trying to even listen to the people because he has been listening?

Selectively attacking the ONLY government? How do you know these people are SELECTIVELY attacking the only government that according to you, has been trying to listen to the people?  How?

a) Are people to suddenly stop asking questions because, according to you they have an only government who has been trying to listen to them?

b) Don’t you think it is especially when the government is listening that the people should speak up?

c) How do you know other people are not asking THEIR OWN governments questions and demanding they be listened to?

d) Or are you SELECTIVELY choosing to play the victim card here for Fashola?

e) Are residents of Lagos, who are directly affected by the actions of their state government to instead go out to the Governor of Abia State or that of Katsina to get answers about Lagos State Government?

ziga:

If we choose not to pick and choose, then the same agents spreading these allegations should go dig up the affairs of every politician in office and lay it out on the table. That will be true democracy.

RUBBISH, my friend!!! Residents HAVE A RIGHT to demand answers/information from their government. If I live in Delaware, I do not go Massachusetts to ask questions of what is happening right where I live. I go straight to Governor Ruth Ann Miner to inquire about how she is running the state I live in. 

Please, let us end the BLIND ARGUING here, as this is likely to lead to more unreasonable assertions being made of what fundamentals of democracy should apply it favours us. Open your dictionary. Better yet, do some googling to learn what TRUE DEMOCRACY means. Do not assume you are interacting here with a bunch of dummies who will swallow up lame/Nigerian-like twists on the meaning of words all in your bid to make some moot point.

[size=15pt]DEMOCRACY IMPLIES RULE BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE! [/size]

If that there does not help you understand why it is imperative that Government  ANSWERS to the people, then I don’t know what else will.