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Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by buragidi(m): 4:26pm On Nov 30, 2017
Since the past few months, the issue of tithing in the church has remained on the front-burner as it draws controversy from around and within the Christian religion. For a general avoidance of doubt, Tithe is believed by many Christians as a scriptural obligatory payment of 10% of a beleiver's income to the Account of his local church. While many believers are made to believe that payment of this payment of tithe connects them to open heavens to enjoy the abundance of blessings on earth, there is also a general belief that non-payment of tithe by Christians attract curse from God; This is generally backed up by preachers using Malachi 3: 9-11 which read thus:

"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it"


The fear of this scripture has made many christians to fearfully dole out a tenth of their daily, weekly, monthly and annual income to their church. There are also evidence that many believe that once they tithe, they are immuned from any misfortune. It is not unusual to hear christians saying "that is not my portion, not when i pay my tithe" In the same vein, some christians are quick to ask their brothers/sisters if they are faithful in the payment of tithe whenever the later seem to be going through a hard time. While many beleivers remain faithful in tithing, evidences abound that many pastors in charge of churches live flamboyant, extravagant and affluent life, while poverty can be perceived with the nooks and cranny of the church. For example, It is not uncommon to see MOG owing as much as three ptivate jets, while majority of the church members who fund this lifestyle live from hand to mouth. Besides, the churches also appear to have contributed little or nothing to the develoment of the society, in relation to the resources available at their disposals; not to mention the dishonourable conducts, scandal and other exploitative issues that trail some MOG.

While the above continues and some members struggle to pay their tithes grumbly, an OAP-Daddy Freeze started a crusade called 'freethesheeple' movement with a mandate to enlighten the christians about the exploitative and manipulative tendencies of the church and the MOG in Nigeria. Emphatically, Daddy freeze stated that " If you pay your tithe to any Nigerian Pastor, you are a goat" The OAP draws a number of scriptural verses to argue while its wrong to pay tithe in the first instance. With biblical references, he argued that Tithing has no place in christianity under the dispensation of grace as it is a mere commandment to the jews under the Mosaic law; which has been abrogated by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. He asked to know while Jesus Christ (whom the Bible calls the author and the finisher of our faith) nor any of the apostles like Paul, Peter and John never received Tithe. Rather being a one-off posting on social media, Daddy freeze has been tenaciously dedicated to this movement and the whole 'show' seems to be gaining popularity on daily basis on the internet. Initially, his message was originally ignored by christians and pastors. However, in the recent time, Various men of God, including the revered General Overseer of the Redeemed Church, Pastor Adeboye and others like Bishop Oyedepo, Apostle Suleiman, Pastor Paul Enenche, Paul Adefarasin Pastor (Mrs) Adejumo and others have responded swiftly to Daddy Freeze at various events in their churches.

From a detailed analysis of all the responses provided so far, it appears that the Pastors deliberately left the message of Pastor Freeze, but attack his personality. Unlike Freeze who backed up his argument with scriptural references, the men of God opposing him appear to be using sentiment and emotional blackmail to approach the issue by putting fear into the minds of their followers. For example, Pastor Adeboye of the redeemed church was quoted as saying non-payment of tithe by his members will attract divine curse. He also said that He knew Freeze can not be taken seriously when he mentioned that tithe should be used to by alcohol (Freeze was reading a verse in the book of Deuteronomy 14:26). Adeboye did not make refrence to any scripture to counter what Freeze said. In the oipinion of Adefarasin, non-payment of tithe does not attract curse, but christians are mandated to pay. He added that someone who is not a Pastor (Freeze) lacks the ability to discuss spiritual matter. His view is reinforced by Apostle Suleiman who said since someone who is not a Doctor can not teach a Doctor how to do his job, a person who is not a Pastor (Freeze) lacks the knowledge to talk about tithing and other church matters. According to Paul Enenche, 'as long as you do not tithe, things cannot work" Similarly, Oyedepo claims that tithing is the key that unlocks the blessing of God. To Adejumo, a man who has failed in his marriage (obviously refreing to Freeze's marriage problems) lacks the spirituality to understand the things of God. While Daddy Freeze has succintly responded to these pastors on his social media accounts with biblical verses, it seems non of them is loaded with adeuquate scriptural refrences to counter the position of Daddy Freeze.

In the course of event however, some Pastor have started supporting the position of Freeze on the subject matter with detailed analysis of the scripture. The attached videos are the views of two different Nigerian Pastors dissecting the issue of tithe based on scripture and they both agree with the position of Freeze. Please watch the videos and comment. If these men of God are correct, does it mean that our highly reputable MOG have lied and deceived us for long? Do we call this daylight robbery or outright fraud? Can we mandate them to account and refund the money they have brainwashed us into paying for long? Do we continue to be mugus, mumu and gullible in the name of Jesus? Please watch videos and comment.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6vlahoXlA


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Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by Munae(f): 4:27pm On Nov 30, 2017
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Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by lumzybo: 4:46pm On Nov 30, 2017
Hmmmmn... we are getting there.
Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by OBAGADAFFI: 9:11pm On Dec 01, 2017
Lol,

Every Christian is a Sheep, if you don't want be a sheep you can be a Christian.

First, the Church don't survive on Tithes only in fact without Tithes they'll still survive.

Second, you need to separate between giving and Pastors life style. Because when your given is to GOD.

On Tithes, the tithing practiced by Christian is based Abraham faith and Obedience, not according to Moses Law.
Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by buragidi(m): 9:43pm On Dec 01, 2017
Please, can you please back-up this your position with the scripture? Can you authoritatively give us biblical evidences of either Jesus or any of the apostles receiving or paying tithe or where they commanded us to pay?

Can you please state with biblical reference where it is stated that 'Christians should pay tithe under the Abrahamic faith"?

If you position is true, is it not only once in his lifetime that Abraham was recorded to have paid tithe to Melchizedek, how come it now becomes a daily, weekly, monthly and annual obligation in today's Christianity?

Is it not also recorded that Abraham tithed from the spoils of war (and not from his personal belonging), how come that people are now asked to tithe from every income they make?

Is it not stated that Abraham voluntarily gave a tithe to Melchizedek (not that God mandated him, like it was commanded under the mosaic law), how come that today's Pastor succinctly tells Christians that tithe is a commandment from God and non-payment attract curse?

Is there anywhere in the Abrahamic tithing story that it was stated that tithe was paid in cash? How come that today's pastors automatically preach that tithe is in monetary term?

What do you think is the implication of Heb 7:12 on this your Abrahamic principle of tithing. Please back-up your position with fact (biblical references), not what you think or what your pastor just put on your lips.

OBAGADAFFI:
Lol,

Every Christian is a Sheep, if you don't want be a sheep you can be a Christian.

First, the Church don't survive on Tithes only in fact without Tithes they'll still survive.

Second, you need to separate between giving and Pastors life style. Because when your given is to GOD.

On Tithes, the tithing practiced by Christian is based Abraham faith and Obedience, not according to Moses Law.

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Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by OBAGADAFFI: 10:02pm On Dec 01, 2017
buragidi:
Please, can you please back-up this your position with the scripture? Can you authoritatively give us biblical evidences of either Jesus or any of the apostles receiving or paying tithe or where they commanded us to pay?

Can you please state with biblical reference where it is stated that 'Christians should pay tithe under the Abrahamic faith"?

If you position is true, is it not only once in his lifetime that Abraham was recorded to have paid tithe to Melchizedek, how come it now becomes a daily, weekly, monthly and annual obligation in today's Christianity?

Is it not also recorded that Abraham tithed from the spoils of war (and not from his personal belonging), how come that people are now asked to tithe from every income they make?

Is it not stated that Abraham voluntarily gave a tithe to Melchizedek (not that God mandated him, like it was commanded under the mosaic law), how come that today's Pastor succinctly tells Christians that tithe is a commandment from God and non-payment attract curse?

Is there anywhere in the Abrahamic tithing story that it was stated that tithe was paid in cash? How come that today's pastors automatically preach that tithe is in monetary term?

What do you think is the implication of Heb 7:12 on this your Abrahamic principle of tithing. Please back-up your position with fact (biblical references), not what you think or what your pastor just put on your lips.


What do you mean by the bold.

I am not here the trade words or arguing unnecessary.


Hebrews 7:12-15, 17 (NKJV)
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
17 For He testifies: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."


According to 14 Jesus cannot receive Tithes since he is not a priest according to Moses Law.

But Jesus Christ has Melchizedek received Tithes of Abraham.
Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by Bukolar1(f): 10:07pm On Dec 01, 2017
cool
Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by buragidi(m): 10:42pm On Dec 01, 2017
That is the problem. You are quoting the scripture out of context to achieve your objective. The preceding verses spoke about how Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and how , by implication, even the levites, wholater received tithe under the mosaic law have tithed to Melchizedek through Abraham (since they were in his loins).

Now, if Jesus could not receive tithe because he has once received once as Melchizedek from Abraham (whom the bible says has paid for his children e.g Levites). How come that the Pastors of today now receive the same tithe? are they higher in rank than Jesus Christ who could not receive it more than once?

How come that Pastors now receive it on daily basis (when even Jesus Christ could not receive it twice-premised on the Melchizedek link to Jesus Christ). If truly Abraham has paid for his children, how come that you still say God command us to pay?

Please enlighten me with biblical verses.
OBAGADAFFI:


What do you mean by the bold.

I am not here the trade words or arguing unnecessary.


Hebrews 7:12-15, 17 (NKJV)
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
17 For He testifies: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."


According to 14 Jesus cannot receive Tithes since he is not a priest according to Moses Law.

But Jesus Christ has Melchizedek received Tithes of Abraham.


Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by Teebilion: 11:37pm On Dec 01, 2017
OBAGADAFFI:


What do you mean by the bold.

I am not here the trade words or arguing unnecessary.


Hebrews 7:12-15, 17 (NKJV)
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
17 For He testifies: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."


According to 14 Jesus cannot receive Tithes since he is not a priest according to Moses Law.

But Jesus Christ has Melchizedek received Tithes of Abraham.


as at when melchizedek collected the tithes of spoils,there was nothing such as levi or levites....GET ur facts right sir
Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by OBAGADAFFI: 12:09am On Dec 02, 2017
Teebilion:
as at when melchizedek collected the tithes of spoils,there was nothing such as levi or levites....GET ur facts right sir

Where did I make any reference to Levi in my post?

You are quoting the wrong person.
Re: Still On The Tithe Matter: At Last, Men Of God Agree With OAP Freeze (Video) by OBAGADAFFI: 12:12am On Dec 02, 2017
buragidi:
That is the problem. You are quoting the scripture out of context to achieve your objective. The preceding verses spoke about how Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and how , by implication, even the levites, wholater received tithe under the mosaic law have tithed to Melchizedek through Abraham (since they were in his loins).

Now, if Jesus could not receive tithe because he has once received once as Melchizedek from Abraham (whom the bible says has paid for his children e.g Levites). How come that the Pastors of today now receive the same tithe? are they higher in rank than Jesus Christ who could not receive it more than once?

How come that Pastors now receive it on daily basis (when even Jesus Christ could not receive it twice-premised on the Melchizedek link to Jesus Christ). If truly Abraham has paid for his children, how come that you still say God command us to pay?

Please enlighten me with biblical verses.

Again what do you mean by the bold.
This is the second time you will be making such remarks.

Since you want to argue base on prejudice, I will have to leave you alone.

Your faith isn't my faith.

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