Pavore9:


It doesn't have to come to me just as German's budget does not come to me but German government did pay me for working for their GTZ!

Good for u.
U can only speak for yourself

felixomor:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Vatican_City

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2014/08/14/this-pope-means-business

Just a few

Are you sure you took the time to read through the links you posted at all??

sirusX:

Are you sure you took the time to read through the links you posted at all??

Are u sure u read it?
U want more
Including those on how the catholic church used millions of dollars to suppress cases of sexual abuse?

Anyway, i have nothing against them.
But i just want to remind you that they are mere humans.

Only Jesus Christ is the one we should glorify

I thought u re enlightened enough o understand breakdown of what budgetary amount are used for. For ur info, u can't align the Catholic Church, its administration with the one-man show act that is reminiscent of pentecostalism. I have listed to you how the Vatican is run, the ministeries/congregations and diplomatic/embassies it cater for, yet ur hatred for the Catholic Church be clouds ur reasoning. For 13 years under Pope John Paul the second, the institute of religion which also known as Vatican bank ran on deficit until it was reformed by Benedict/Francis. Yes there is corruption in the Vatican, sex induced settlement which is a fallout of the evil of society esp when u think that the Catholic Church accommodate all manner of people 1.2 billion to be precise, but that can never align with ur lies that the Pope is an inheritor of the €400M that is budgeted. The Catholic pontiff oversees a very wealthy institutions that carries out far reaching poverty alleviation and spiritual succour to millions of souls thirsty for Christ, yet he isn't a materialist nor prosperity preachers like self-appointed G.Os

felixomor:


Are u done?

No matter the amount of gymnastics,
The truth is right before u.

You are telling us things funded by catholic church and trying to mix it up with vatican budget.
Only kids fall for that.

Your pope is human, just like the pastors u r trying to criticize.
Do you even know how much the vatican used to suppress cases of sexual abuse.?

Abe just rest.
Promote Jesus Christ alone

cyrilamx:
I thought u re enlightened enough o understand breakdown of what budgetary amount are used for. For ur info, u can't align the Catholic Church, its administration with the one-man show act that is reminiscent of pentecostalism. I have listed to you how the Vatican is run, the ministeries/congregations and diplomatic/embassies it cater for, yet ur hatred for the Catholic Church be clouds ur reasoning. For 13 years under Pope John Paul the second, the institute of religion which also known as Vatican bank ran on deficit until it was reformed by Benedict/Francis. Yes there is corruption in the Vatican, sex induced settlement which is a fallout of the evil of society esp when u think that the Catholic Church accommodate all manner of people 1.2 billion to be precise, but that can never align with ur lies that the Pope is an inheritor of the €400M that is budgeted. The Catholic pontiff oversees a very wealthy institutions that carries out far reaching poverty alleviation and spiritual succour to millions of souls thirsty for Christ, yet he isn't a materialist nor prosperity preachers like self-appointed G.Os

At the bolded line is all i need
There is corruption. Period

In the eyes of God, corruption is corruption.
So rest. You are not better

Damibiz:
Hello,can u hear ur self....this why we fail examz....check the topic again nd comment,thank me later

Go back and read again. We do not need to learn anything from the Antichrist, the pope!

cyrilamx:
The Catholic Church is both divine and human institutions - divine cos it was instituted by Christ upon St. Peter the Rock, human cos its leadership and followers are humans. The Church is paradoxically living...home to most humble saints and proud sinners. Wealthy and yet poor. The riches of the Church are beyond comparison and likewise her care for the "abandoned" the Church has the largest charities ever known to mankind. Its love for knowledge makes her to be the greatest preversator/patron of learning in western civilization despite the scandal of Galileo. The Church founded prominent universities like Oxford, Cambridge, louvain, Paris. Today abt 2300 universities and colleges are owned and run by the Church. The Church as the mystical body of Christ has never been wanting in scandal --- a testimony that Christ handed in church in care of human beings but there has never been a doctrinal error a testimony that the Church is led by the holy spirit.

on point

felixomor:

Are u sure u read it?
U want more
Including those on how the catholic church used millions of dollars to suppress cases of sexual abuse?

Anyway, i have nothing against them.
But i just want to remind you that they are mere humans.

Only Jesus Christ is the one we should glorify

the pope explained to the group that for his spiritual message to be credible, the Vatican’s finances must be credible as well. After centuries of secrecy and intrigue, it was time to open the books to the faithful.

Francis declared that sound financial management was a pillar of his greatest mission: aiding the poor and underprivileged

The Vatican’s inept practices had inhibited giving, he explained, and had to stop. “When the administration is fat, it’s unhealthy,” he said

Francis wanted a leaner, more efficient Vatican administration that would be solidly “self-sustaining.” That, he said, would free up more money for his charities.

“The Holy Father’s message was crystal clear: ‘Let us make money to go to the poor”

By contrast, Francis’s upbeat, quotable approach and emphasis on charity over doctrine have quickly made him perhaps the most talked-about and admired person on the planet. (Fortunenamed him No. 1 on its World’s Greatest Leaders list earlier this year.) His famous “Who am I to judge?” declaration on homosexuality distanced him from Benedict’s severe criticism of gays.

Indeed, Francis has brought in some of the biggest brand names in the world of business. KPMG is implementing uniform, internationally accepted accounting standards to replace the Vatican’s previous crazy quilt of bookkeeping. EY (the former Ernst & Young) is scrutinizing management of the Vatican’s stores, utilities, and other municipal services. Deloitte & Touche now audits the accounts at the Vatican bank

Pope Francis has a complex but pragmatic view of money. “Money is useful to carry out many things, for works to support humanity,” he has said. “But when your heart is attached to it, it destroys you.” His humble lifestyle follows those precepts. He resides in a one-bedroom, second-floor suite in Casa Santa Marta overlooking the entrance.

He’s frequently spotted in the buffet line, tray in hand, at the Santa Marta dining room, where the cuisine isn’t fancy

He takes no holidays, explaining that if the poor can’t take vacations, why should he?

One of his rules is that big donors and companies that do business with the church should get no special treatment.

He also refused to attend fundraising dinners, usually regarded as one of a cardinal’s top jobs. His aversion to catering to the wealthy didn’t stop with his ascension to the papacy. It’s a Vatican tradition that the Secretariat of State, which receives donations from the rich on the pontiff’s behalf, would reward big donors by arranging special audiences and masses with the pope. Pope Francis ended the practice.

The catholic church is highly decentralized financially. In terms of money, the Vatican basically stands on its own.

The members of the 296 religious orders and congregations are priests, nuns, and brothers who specialize in education (the Jesuits), missionary work (the Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus), and helping the poor (Franciscans).

The dioceses do send substantial amounts of money to the Vatican each year, but most of it is earmarked for either missionary work or the pope’s charitable giving. The funds sent to support the Vatican’s operations are important but account for around 4.5% of total revenues.

safarigirl:
you have been deceived already, so much that your reasoning capacity is gone just like Adam and Eve

At least the Pope preaches LOVE which is the most important teaching of Christ, while you keep fostering hate for your fellow human beings because of their choices in life as if attacking homosexuals will guarantee you a place in heaven.

Good day

You truly lack understanding. Jesus Christ is both the Lamb of God and also the Lion of Judah! Loving God and humanity is the most important teaching of Christ.

Loving and supporting homosexuality is not Christian in anyway, shape or form. Telling a fellow human being that the lifestyle he is defending is not Biblical is NOT hate but the truth.

You children of nowadays that hates to hear the truth have invented another name for the truth, hate.

Telling your child that bullying other children is wrong is not hate...it is the truth.


And the greatest act of love is to be truthful to your Neigbhor.

So Safari girl, you who know that homosexuality is not of God but instead encourages others to engage in it so that they won't be offended, you are the one that HATES them.

Who made u a judge over us ?.......Do not judge so that u may nt be judge....if u qoute me again ehmmm ?

Donjazzy12:

Go back and read again. We do not need to learn anything from the Antichrist, the pope!

felixomor:
While u write these things,
Know that the annual budget of vatican is running into 400 million dollars
Just for one year.

You can add that to your post.
So that the Nigerian pastors u are blasting can also copy that.

they are the largest charity donor in the world .

Damibiz:
Who made u a judge over us ?.......Do not judge so that u may nt be judge....if u qoute me again ehmmm ?

The righteous Judge is the Almighty God who stated clearly in his word that homosexuality is an abomination. And He also says that those who are not with Him are against him. Your pope is against Christ!

felixomor:


Too much stories.
All these because u want to Justify 400 million dollars.

Say this to the kids

how old are you again? You obviously don't know it costs a lot to run a country. The 400 million was not gotten by deceit as is common with your pastors and is being put into good use and not personal gains. You obviously lack understanding. Now mention me one last time and hide your face. Got no more words for you...... Now you may speak and hold ur peace after that or you can just help us both by keeping ur words to urself.

koladebrainiac:
they are the largest charity donor in the world .

U mean vatican?
Or Catholic church?

Which one?

INDUSTRIALFAN:
how old are you again? You obviously don't know it costs a lot to run a country. The 400 million was not gotten by deceit as is common with your pastors and is being put into good use and not personal gains. You obviously lack understanding. Now mention me one last time and hide your face. Got no more words for you...... Now you may speak and hold ur peace after that or you can just help us both by keeping ur words to urself.

Last population of vatican: 500

Keep lying to yourself

sirusX:

the pope explained to the group that for his spiritual message to be credible, the Vatican’s finances must be credible as well. After centuries of secrecy and intrigue, it was time to open the books to the faithful.

Francis declared that sound financial management was a pillar of his greatest mission: aiding the poor and underprivileged

The Vatican’s inept practices had inhibited giving, he explained, and had to stop. “When the administration is fat, it’s unhealthy,” he said

Francis wanted a leaner, more efficient Vatican administration that would be solidly “self-sustaining.” That, he said, would free up more money for his charities.

“The Holy Father’s message was crystal clear: ‘Let us make money to go to the poor”

By contrast, Francis’s upbeat, quotable approach and emphasis on charity over doctrine have quickly made him perhaps the most talked-about and admired person on the planet. (Fortunenamed him No. 1 on its World’s Greatest Leaders list earlier this year.) His famous “Who am I to judge?” declaration on homosexuality distanced him from Benedict’s severe criticism of gays.

Indeed, Francis has brought in some of the biggest brand names in the world of business. KPMG is implementing uniform, internationally accepted accounting standards to replace the Vatican’s previous crazy quilt of bookkeeping. EY (the former Ernst & Young) is scrutinizing management of the Vatican’s stores, utilities, and other municipal services. Deloitte & Touche now audits the accounts at the Vatican bank

Pope Francis has a complex but pragmatic view of money. “Money is useful to carry out many things, for works to support humanity,” he has said. “But when your heart is attached to it, it destroys you.” His humble lifestyle follows those precepts. He resides in a one-bedroom, second-floor suite in Casa Santa Marta overlooking the entrance.

He’s frequently spotted in the buffet line, tray in hand, at the Santa Marta dining room, where the cuisine isn’t fancy

He takes no holidays, explaining that if the poor can’t take vacations, why should he?

One of his rules is that big donors and companies that do business with the church should get no special treatment.

He also refused to attend fundraising dinners, usually regarded as one of a cardinal’s top jobs. His aversion to catering to the wealthy didn’t stop with his ascension to the papacy. It’s a Vatican tradition that the Secretariat of State, which receives donations from the rich on the pontiff’s behalf, would reward big donors by arranging special audiences and masses with the pope. Pope Francis ended the practice.

The catholic church is highly decentralized financially. In terms of money, the Vatican basically stands on its own.

The members of the 296 religious orders and congregations are priests, nuns, and brothers who specialize in education (the Jesuits), missionary work (the Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus), and helping the poor (Franciscans).

The dioceses do send substantial amounts of money to the Vatican each year, but most of it is earmarked for either missionary work or the pope’s charitable giving. The funds sent to support the Vatican’s operations are important but account for around 4.5% of total revenues.

Does all these stories include the millions used to settle sexual abuse cases?

tstx:


http://listwand.com/2017/11/7-things-our-nigerian-pastors-can-learn-from-pope-francis/

So you haven't seen all these and more in Nigerian pastors.....

felixomor:
While u write these things,
Know that the annual budget of vatican is running into 400 million dollars
Just for one year.

You can add that to your post.
So that the Nigerian pastors u are blasting can also copy that.

Vatican is a City, not a Church

profolaolu:
Why do MOD normally push rubbish and controversial thread about Christianity to the front-page when they can never try it with Islam or muslims

Islam no they tolerate criticism

felixomor:


Last population of vatican: 500

Keep lying to yourself

oya you've spoken... Now get off my mention..... Just so you know, 500 residents is a large number.

Egbon donjazzyr,if u hate him that much,go nd impeach him thank u

Donjazzy12:

The righteous Judge is the Almighty God who stated clearly in his word that homosexuality is an abomination. And He also says that those who are not with Him are against him. Your pope is against Christ!

makoota:

Vatican is a City, not a Church

A city of 500 people that budget 400 million dollars
Clap for yourself

cyrilamx:
The Catholic Church is both divine and human institutions - divine cos it was instituted by Christ upon St. Peter the Rock, human cos its leadership and followers are humans. The Church is paradoxically living...home to most humble saints and proud sinners. Wealthy and yet poor. The riches of the Church are beyond comparison and likewise her care for the "abandoned" the Church has the largest charities ever known to mankind. Its love for knowledge makes her to be the greatest preversator/patron of learning in western civilization despite the scandal of Galileo. The Church founded prominent universities like Oxford, Cambridge, louvain, Paris. Today abt 2300 universities and colleges are owned and run by the Church. The Church as the mystical body of Christ has never been wanting in scandal --- a testimony that Christ handed in church in care of human beings but there has never been a doctrinal error a testimony that the Church is led by the holy spirit.

not only that what about caritas, or even st. Vincent de por, what about mission schools all over the world.

INDUSTRIALFAN:
oya you've spoken... Now get off my mention..... Just so you know, 500 residents is a large number.

Hehehehe
Yeah very large city indeed

felixomor:



But wait, lets analyze deeper
Budget of vatican is 300 million dollars
Population of vatican is not up to 1000
Work force of about 4,000 people

Who is deceiving who?
In short. There is no need to even debate
Just rest. You will just end up blabbing

and a sizeable amount of that budget goes to maintaining one of if not the oldest cache of artifacts and books at the Vatican vault, also to maintaining several other ancient churches. also have you seen the size of st peter basilica do you know how much goes into maintaining it. there is also the scholarship provided for priests to go to the university, funding for Caritas (people in Edo state just benefited from them through their giving of free mosquito nets) and other charitable institutes like st Vincent de por, funding for mission schools and evangelical outreach e.t.c and even funding for other organisations like research, medical outreach, even the paranormal fighting division. my friend if you know how many organizations are under the catholic church you will realise why its a nation

Dsov2016:


and a sizeable amount of that budget goes to maintaining one of if not the oldest cache of artifacts and books at the Vatican vault, also to maintaining several other ancient churches. also have you seen the size of st peter basilica do you know how much goes into maintaining it. there is also the scholarship provided for priests to go to the university, funding for Caritas (people in Edo state just benefited from them through their giving of free mosquito nets) and other charitable institutes like st Vincent de por, funding for mission schools and evangelical outreach e.t.c

Dont mix up budget of Catholic church with Vatican

They need not learn from anybody. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Everybody, including Pope Francis, should learn from Jesus.

The bible calls all that unnecessary humility and angelic worship. The pope does not have the interest of christians. Everywhere he has gone, he went to fight for MUSLIMs and ARABS confirming the fact that he is an anti Christ. Wolf in sheep clothing. So, take down this rubbish article.

Donjazzy12:

You truly lack understanding...

And the greatest act of love is to be truthful to your Neigbhor.

Darling, do you mean this, or at you just trying to win an argument?

The greatest act of love-
Love your neighbor as yourself
Live, and let live
Treat others as you would have them treat you
Do not judge ...and etc

Certainly not that thing you put up there
Cheers

Donjazzy12:

The pope is not a Christian please. We do not worship the same God. He is an occultist, because no genuine Christian can ever fault Trump from moving the American Embassy to Jerusalem and declaring same the capital of Isreal.

keep quiet about things you don't understand, Jerusalem is a gun powder keg people use as a war excuse. what trump did was to make a bad situation worse and was immediately condemned by the UN among others.


the Coptic Orthodox just also issued condemnation.

this is an international problem keep quiet and learn until u understand

felixomor:
While u write these things,
Know that the annual budget of vatican is running into 400 million dollars
Just for one year.

You can add that to your post.
So that the Nigerian pastors u are blasting can also copy that.

Also know that Vatican is an independent country of its own that Carter for security and well being of its citizens. Who does your daddy Go Carter for or provide for in terms of security and amenities?

Donjazzy12:
He is also a supporter of homosexuality.

Will shut that trap of yours. He admonishes up not to condemn them but pray for them. In his words: "who am I to condemn them"? . Don't say what you don't know