Of course we know that there are various gospel, even a different Jesus, not that there's another, just that some have perverted his mission on Earth.

Below are various theories concerning Christ's mission on Earth, may God allow us understand (AMEN)

"What are the various theories on the atonement?"


: Throughout church history, several different views of the atonement, some true and some false, have been put forth by different individuals or denominations. One of the reasons for the various views is that both the Old and New Testaments reveal many truths about Christ’s atonement, making it hard, if not impossible, to find any single “theory” [b](with God all things are possible )[/b]that fully encapsulates or explains the richness of the atonement. What we discover as we study the Scriptures is a rich and multifaceted picture of the atonement as the Bible puts forth many interrelated truths concerning the redemption that Christ has accomplished. Another contributing factor to the many different theories of the atonement is that much of what we can learn about the atonement needs to be understood from the experience and perspective of God’s people under the Old Covenant sacrificial system.
The atonement of Christ, its purpose and what it accomplished, is such a rich subject that volumes have been written about it. This article will simply provide a brief overview of many of the theories that have been put forward at one time or another. In looking at the different views of the atonement, we must remember that any view that does not recognize the sinfulness of man or the substitutionary nature of the atonement is deficient at best and heretical at worst.


Some say it's Ransom to Satan: This view sees the atonement of Christ as a ransom paid to Satan to purchase man’s freedom and release him from being enslaved to Satan. (This is also refuted by understanding God's sovereignty) It is based on a belief that man’s spiritual condition is bondage to Satan and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to secure God’s victory over Satan. This theory has little, if any, scriptural support and has had few supporters throughout church history. It is unbiblical in that it sees Satan, rather than God, as the one who required that a payment be made for sin. Thus, it completely ignores the demands of God’s justice as seen throughout Scripture. It also has a higher view of Satan than it should and views him as having more power than he really does. There is no scriptural support for the idea that sinners owe anything to Satan, but throughout Scripture we see that God is the One who requires a payment for sin.

Recapitulation Theory: This theory states that the atonement of Christ has reversed the course of mankind from disobedience to obedience. It believes that Christ’s life recapitulated all the stages of human life and in doing so reversed the course of disobedience initiated by Adam. This theory cannot be supported scripturally.

Dramatic Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as securing the victory in a divine conflict between good and evil and winning man’s release from bondage to Satan. The meaning of Christ’s death was to ensure God’s victory over Satan and to provide a way to redeem the world out of its bondage to evil.

Mystical Theory: The mystical theory sees the atonement of Christ as a triumph over His own sinful nature through the power of the Holy Spirit. Those who hold this view believe that knowledge of this will mystically influence man and awake his “god-consciousness.” They also believe that man’s spiritual condition is not the result of sin but simply a lack of “god-consciousness.” Clearly, this is unbiblical. To believe this, one must believe that Christ had a sin nature, while Scripture is clear that Jesus was the perfect God-man, sinless in every aspect of His nature (Hebrews 4:15).


Moral Influence Theory: This is the belief that the atonement of Christ is a demonstration of God’s love which causes man’s heart to soften and repent. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually sick and in need of help and that man is moved to accept God’s forgiveness by seeing God’s love for man. They believe that the purpose and meaning of Christ’s death was to demonstrate God’s love toward man. While it is true that Christ’s atonement is the ultimate example of the love of God, this view is unbiblical because it denies the true spiritual condition of man—dead in transgressions and sins (Ephesians 2:1)—and denies that God actually requires a payment for sin. This view of Christ’s atonement leaves mankind without a true sacrifice or payment for sin.


Example Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as simply providing an example of faith and obedience to inspire man to be obedient to God. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually alive and that Christ’s life and atonement were simply an example of true faith and obedience and should serve as inspiration to men to live a similar life of faith and obedience. This and the moral influence theory are similar in that they both deny that God’s justice actually requires payment for sin and that Christ’s death on the cross was that payment. The main difference between the moral influence theory and the example theory is that the moral influence theory says that Christ’s death teaches us how much God loves us and the example theory says that Christ’s death teaches how to live. Of course, it is true that Christ is an example for us to follow, even in His death, but the example theory fails to recognize man’s true spiritual condition and that God’s justice requires payment for sin which man is not capable of paying.


Commercial Theory: The commercial theory views the atonement of Christ as bringing infinite honor to God. This resulted in God giving Christ a reward which He did not need, and Christ passed that reward on to man. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is that of dishonoring God and so Christ’s death, which brought infinite honor to God, can be applied to sinners for salvation. This theory, like many of the others, denies the true spiritual state of unregenerate sinners and their need of a completely new nature, available only in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). Really funny doctrine

Governmental Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as demonstrating God’s high regard for His law and His attitude toward sin. It is through Christ’s death that God has a reason to forgive the sins of those who repent and accept Christ’s substitutionary death. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is as one who has violated God’s moral law and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to be a substitute for the penalty of sin. Because Christ paid the penalty for sin, it is possible for God to legally forgive those who accept Christ as their substitute. This view falls short in that it does not teach that Christ actually paid the penalty of the actual sins of any people, but instead His suffering simply showed mankind that God’s laws were broken and that some penalty was paid.


Penal Substitution Theory: This theory sees the atonement of Christ as being a vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice that satisfied the demands of God’s justice upon sin. With His sacrifice, Christ paid the penalty of man’s sin, bringing forgiveness, imputing righteousness, and reconciling man to God. Those who hold this view believe that every aspect of man—his mind, will, and emotions—have been corrupted by sin and that man is totally depraved and spiritually dead. This view holds that Christ’s death paid the penalty for sin and that through faith man can accept Christ’s substitution as payment for sin. This view of the atonement aligns most accurately with Scripture in its view of sin, the nature of man, and the results of the death of Christ on the cross.


Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns
Justification by an imputed righteousness by John Bunyan

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Ferisidowu:
Of course we know that there are various gospel, even a different Jesus, not that there's another, just that some have perverted his mission on Earth.

Below are various theories concerning Christ's mission on Earth, may God allow us understand (AMEN)

"What are the various theories on the atonement?"


: Throughout church history, several different views of the atonement, some true and some false, have been put forth by different individuals or denominations. One of the reasons for the various views is that both the Old and New Testaments reveal many truths about Christ’s atonement, making it hard, if not impossible, to find any single “theory” [b](with God all things are possible )[/b]that fully encapsulates or explains the richness of the atonement. What we discover as we study the Scriptures is a rich and multifaceted picture of the atonement as the Bible puts forth many interrelated truths concerning the redemption that Christ has accomplished. Another contributing factor to the many different theories of the atonement is that much of what we can learn about the atonement needs to be understood from the experience and perspective of God’s people under the Old Covenant sacrificial system.
The atonement of Christ, its purpose and what it accomplished, is such a rich subject that volumes have been written about it. This article will simply provide a brief overview of many of the theories that have been put forward at one time or another. In looking at the different views of the atonement, we must remember that any view that does not recognize the sinfulness of man or the substitutionary nature of the atonement is deficient at best and heretical at worst.


Some say it's Ransom to Satan: This view sees the atonement of Christ as a ransom paid to Satan to purchase man’s freedom and release him from being enslaved to Satan. (This is also refuted by understanding God's sovereignty) It is based on a belief that man’s spiritual condition is bondage to Satan and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to secure God’s victory over Satan. This theory has little, if any, scriptural support and has had few supporters throughout church history. It is unbiblical in that it sees Satan, rather than God, as the one who required that a payment be made for sin. Thus, it completely ignores the demands of God’s justice as seen throughout Scripture. It also has a higher view of Satan than it should and views him as having more power than he really does. There is no scriptural support for the idea that sinners owe anything to Satan, but throughout Scripture we see that God is the One who requires a payment for sin.

Recapitulation Theory: This theory states that the atonement of Christ has reversed the course of mankind from disobedience to obedience. It believes that Christ’s life recapitulated all the stages of human life and in doing so reversed the course of disobedience initiated by Adam. This theory cannot be supported scripturally.

Dramatic Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as securing the victory in a divine conflict between good and evil and winning man’s release from bondage to Satan. The meaning of Christ’s death was to ensure God’s victory over Satan and to provide a way to redeem the world out of its bondage to evil.

Mystical Theory: The mystical theory sees the atonement of Christ as a triumph over His own sinful nature through the power of the Holy Spirit. Those who hold this view believe that knowledge of this will mystically influence man and awake his “god-consciousness.” They also believe that man’s spiritual condition is not the result of sin but simply a lack of “god-consciousness.” Clearly, this is unbiblical. To believe this, one must believe that Christ had a sin nature, while Scripture is clear that Jesus was the perfect God-man, sinless in every aspect of His nature (Hebrews 4:15).


Moral Influence Theory: This is the belief that the atonement of Christ is a demonstration of God’s love which causes man’s heart to soften and repent. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually sick and in need of help and that man is moved to accept God’s forgiveness by seeing God’s love for man. They believe that the purpose and meaning of Christ’s death was to demonstrate God’s love toward man. While it is true that Christ’s atonement is the ultimate example of the love of God, this view is unbiblical because it denies the true spiritual condition of man—dead in transgressions and sins (Ephesians 2:1)—and denies that God actually requires a payment for sin. This view of Christ’s atonement leaves mankind without a true sacrifice or payment for sin.


Example Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as simply providing an example of faith and obedience to inspire man to be obedient to God. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually alive and that Christ’s life and atonement were simply an example of true faith and obedience and should serve as inspiration to men to live a similar life of faith and obedience. This and the moral influence theory are similar in that they both deny that God’s justice actually requires payment for sin and that Christ’s death on the cross was that payment. The main difference between the moral influence theory and the example theory is that the moral influence theory says that Christ’s death teaches us how much God loves us and the example theory says that Christ’s death teaches how to live. Of course, it is true that Christ is an example for us to follow, even in His death, but the example theory fails to recognize man’s true spiritual condition and that God’s justice requires payment for sin which man is not capable of paying.


Commercial Theory: The commercial theory views the atonement of Christ as bringing infinite honor to God. This resulted in God giving Christ a reward which He did not need, and Christ passed that reward on to man. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is that of dishonoring God and so Christ’s death, which brought infinite honor to God, can be applied to sinners for salvation. This theory, like many of the others, denies the true spiritual state of unregenerate sinners and their need of a completely new nature, available only in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). Really funny doctrine

Governmental Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as demonstrating God’s high regard for His law and His attitude toward sin. It is through Christ’s death that God has a reason to forgive the sins of those who repent and accept Christ’s substitutionary death. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is as one who has violated God’s moral law and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to be a substitute for the penalty of sin. Because Christ paid the penalty for sin, it is possible for God to legally forgive those who accept Christ as their substitute. This view falls short in that it does not teach that Christ actually paid the penalty of the actual sins of any people, but instead His suffering simply showed mankind that God’s laws were broken and that some penalty was paid.


Penal Substitution Theory: This theory sees the atonement of Christ as being a vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice that satisfied the demands of God’s justice upon sin. With His sacrifice, Christ paid the penalty of man’s sin, bringing forgiveness, imputing righteousness, and reconciling man to God. Those who hold this view believe that every aspect of man—his mind, will, and emotions—have been corrupted by sin and that man is totally depraved and spiritually dead. This view holds that Christ’s death paid the penalty for sin and that through faith man can accept Christ’s substitution as payment for sin. This view of the atonement aligns most accurately with Scripture in its view of sin, the nature of man, and the results of the death of Christ on the cross.


Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns
Justification by an imputed righteousness by John Bunyan

Very nice write up...

jiggaz:
Very nice write up...

thanks brother God bless....

Ferisidowu:
thanks brother God bless....

you welcome

one issue is a lot Christians see the EXAMPLE THEORY as all (as I once did) though some can pretend to believe it's more than that, yet, they never affirm it....

God bless you@ Ferisidowu
Thank God for people like you who knew what Christ has done.

Christ has paid it all, it is really finished.


John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finishedand he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

solite3:
God bless you@ Ferisidowu
Thank God for people like you who knew what Christ has done.

Christ has paid it all, it is really finished.


John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished[color=#990000][/color]: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

it's God's grace brother ....

if it's not SUBSTITUTION I WONDER WHAT HE DID...

may he help us continue to EXPOUND his words

Ferisidowu:
one issue is a lot Christians see the EXAMPLE THEORY as all (as I once did) though some can pretend to believe it's more than that, yet, they never affirm it....

they don't know what sin is and its consequence no thanks to false gospel flying around.
Lol do you know many ministers are not comfortable with paul's message they say it will promote sin, they prefer preaching laws and making doctrines. A popular so called holiness minister was attaching the message of Paul claiming it is Paul's idea and he prefer to believe God.

Ferisidowu:


it's God's grace brother ....

if it's not SUBSTITUTION I WONDER WHAT HE DID...

may he help us continue to EXPOUND his words

Amen

solite3:
they don't know what sin is and its consequence no thanks to false gospel flying around.
Lol do you know many ministers are not comfortable with paul's message they say it will promote sin, they prefer preaching laws and making doctrines. A popular so called holiness minister was attaching the message of Paul claiming it is Paul's idea and he prefer to believe God.

even the most educated, Nigerian pastors..... I heard and actually believed one preaching that if you aren't preaching the gospel, and make disciples you cannot make heaven.. .. this person an talking about is one of the biggest pastors... having millions members ... . preaching works to them in disguise of Faith....
or mixing it

Paul was always in trouble because he would never mix the gospel.... he said "if Im still preaching circumcision then why am i being persecuted? in that case the offense of the Cross has abolished"( gal 5:11 ) showing that some Jews could bear the gospel being mixed with the law...

yet I know God is faithful to his course ... not one of his.. will fail.... the whole world would rather end than for one to fall away.

another beauty of Grace doctrine is that it diminishes view of Satan to the minimal .... knowing that God is in control

Ferisidowu:


even the most educated, Nigerian pastors..... I heard and actually believed one preaching that if you aren't preaching the gospel, and make disciples you cannot make heaven.. .. this person an talking about is one of the biggest pastors... having millions members ... . preaching works to them in disguise of Faith....
or mixing it

Paul was always in trouble because he would never mix the gospel.... he said "if Im still preaching circumcision then why am i being persecuted? in that case the offense of the Cross has abolished"( gal 5:11 ) showing that some Jews could bear the gospel being mixed with the law...

yet I know God is faithful to his course ... not one of his.. will fail.... the whole world would rather end than for one to fall away.

another beauty of Grace doctrine is that it diminishes view of Satan to the minimal .... knowing that God is in control

exactly! And what people don't know is that the gospel of grace actually disarm the flesh making it powerless.

I think the issue of atonement is very clear just let scriptures say what it says and not giving it our own twist version.
We know he is the Passover lamb. He died on the day of the passover. John the Baptist said behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
John the beloved said if we sin, we have an advocate who pleads before the father, once we repent and confess our sins.
Yahshua himself made it clear in mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life as ransom for many.
Angel Gabriel said. His name shall be called yahshua because he would save his people from their sins.
In the book of revelation John the beloved saw the Messiah as a lamb that has been slaughter.

In fact let me not beat about the bush here revelation 5 gives a detailed account of what happened and why mankind needs to be atoned for, that passage completely nailed it.
Yahweh warned the day you eat of this fruit you would surely die ( both spiritually and physical death came upon mankind and every living thing subordinate to mankind) . Now the plan of salvation Yahweh laid out in the scroll nobody in heaven or on earth could execute this plan of salvation , when John started crying that mankind would be lost forever as no one was found worthy to even look inside the scroll, yahshua stepped forward to execute the plan successfully!!!!!!
Folks I give you revelation 5

The Scroll and the Lamb

1Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

6Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits5:6 That is, the sevenfold Spirit of God sent out into all the earth. 7He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll

and to open its seals,

because you were slain,

and with your blood you purchased for God

persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,

and they will reign5:10 Some manuscripts they reign on the earth.”

11Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12In a loud voice they were saying:

“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,

to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength

and honor and glory and praise!”

13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”

14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

To me, Christ's atonement is a little of governmental theory and a whole of penal subtitution theory.
The law of God is a transcript of His character; it portrays the nature of God.
The atonement made by the Son of God testifies to man the immutability of God's law.
The value of the law of God is to be estimated by the huge price that was paid by the death of the Son of God to maintain its sacredness.
It's only through the atonement of Christ upon the cross that made certain, the destruction of satan who has the power of death, who was the originator of sin. I John 3:8b tell us that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.
When satan and his works are destroyed, there will be none to tempt to evil; the atonement will never need to be repeated; and there will be no danger of another rebellion (everyone will have learned the lesson).
The atonement is an eternal safeguard against defection in unfallen worker, as well as among the redeemed.
Remember, without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness of sin (Heb. 9:22). Why? Because, the punishment for sin is death (Rom. 6:23).
So for God to achieve His original plan because the fall of man, a worthy has to be made and the death of the Son of God is the highest sacrifice there is to make. Whosoever believes in this plan of salvation will partake of the gift of eternal life in the world to come where all will live as originally planned by God.

otr1:
To me, Christ's atonement is a little of governmental theory and a whole of penal subtitution theory.
The law of God is a transcript of His character; it portrays the nature of God.
The atonement made by the Son of God testifies to man the immutability of God's law.
The value of the law of God is to be estimated by the huge price that was paid by the death of the Son of God to maintain its sacredness.
It's only through the atonement of Christ upon the cross that made certain, the destruction of satan who has the power of death, who was the originator of sin. I John 3:8b tell us that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.
When satan and his works are destroyed, there will be none to tempt to evil; the atonement will never need to be repeated; and there will be no danger of another rebellion (everyone will have learned the lesson).
The atonement is an eternal safeguard against defection in unfallen worker, as well as among the redeemed.
Remember, without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness of sin (Heb. 9:22). Why? Because, the punishment for sin is death (Rom. 6:23).
So for God to achieve His original plan because the fall of man, a worthy has to be made and the death of the Son of God is the highest sacrifice there is to make. Whosoever believes in this plan of salvation will partake of the gift of eternal life in the world to come where all will live as
originally planned by God.

I appreciate your view thanks

Who are those that propounded these theories. The scripture is clear about this. Without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin. It is obvious from the scriptures that through one man , Adam death came, and through another man Jesus Christ, life came. Jesus Christ came to pay the ransom for sin once and forever.
Romans 5 : 12-18
12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, so death passed onto all men, for all have sinned.

13 For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the similitude of Adam’s transgression, he being the figure of Him that was to come.

15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one Man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one who sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is for many offenses unto justification.

17 For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by One, Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore as by the offense of one, judgment to condemnation came upon all men, even so by the righteousness of One, the free gift unto justification of life came upon all men.

1 Corinthians 15 : 21 & 22
21 For since by man came death, by Man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive;

Msngo40

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MsNgo40:

Analize701,
You have some knowledge of scripture.
What are your thoughts about what he has written here in light of the original topic?
I'm interested in knowing....if you don't mind.

Good day sister. How are you doing? Maranatha!

Do you know about the Amazing Facts Free library of articles? If not, I would like to introduce you to this e-library. It contains a lot of helpful information to Adventists. Find the link below:

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/read/c/1/t/free-book-library#studymore

God bless you

If a thirsty man is given water and he drinks, and his thirst is truly quenched and is body and mind is made cool ........

He will not then begin to argue different theories about the Water and how it relates to Thirst.

DoctorAlien:


Good day sister. How are you doing? Maranatha!

Do you know about the Amazing Facts Free library of articles? If not, I would like to introduce you to this e-library. It contains a lot of helpful information to Adventists. Find the link below:

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/read/c/1/t/free-book-library#studymore

God bless you

How are you brother?
Thank you very much. I am familiar with Amazing Facts....through their "28" study guides.
Thanks for pointing me back!
Please pray for me....seriously.
Maranatha

P.S... I just realized that u may have been speaking to Analize..
Was it to her or me?

MsNgo40:


How are you brother?
Thank you very much. I am familiar with Amazing Facts....through their "21" study guides.
Thanks for pointing me back!
Please pray for me....seriously.
Maranatha

P.S... I just realized that u may have been speaking to Analize..
Was it to her or me?

Thanks a lot. Yeah, the study guides were and still are helpful. However the link I gave contains great articles addressing most issues and questions, e.g. the one the OP put forward. Please check it out. Thanks once again.

I was speaking to you, Msngo40 I'll remember you in my prayers. Tread cautiously, sister.

PastorAIO:
If a thirsty man is given water and he drinks, and his thirst is truly quenched and is body and mind is made cool ........

He will not then begin to argue different theories about the Water and how it relates to Thirst.

I don't understand your parable....
no one is asking you to argue ..


atonement is a vital issue .... is it good for one not to know the doctrine of his Faith concerning atonement??

enlighten us if you would

DoctorAlien:


Thanks a lot. Yeah, the study guides were and still are helpful. However the link I gave contains great articles addressing most issues and questions, e.g. the one the OP put forward. Please check it out. Thanks once again.

I was speaking to you, Msngo/40 I'll remember you in my prayers. Tread cautiously, sister.

Thank u so, so much.....
Seriously & sincerely, God bless u.

Julivas:
Who are those that propounded these theories. The scripture is clear about this. Without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sin. It is obvious from the scriptures that through one man , Adam death came, and through another man Jesus Christ, life came. Jesus Christ came to pay the ransom for sin once and forever.
Romans 5 : 12-18
12 Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, so death passed onto all men, for all have sinned.

13 For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the similitude of Adam’s transgression, he being the figure of Him that was to come.

15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one Man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one who sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is for many offenses unto justification.

17 For if by one man’s offense death reigned by one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by One, Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore as by the offense of one, judgment to condemnation came upon all men, even so by the righteousness of One, the free gift unto justification of life came upon all men.

1 Corinthians 15 : 21 & 22
21 For since by man came death, by Man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive;

Msngo40

thanks a lot sir God bless you

Ferisidowu:


I don't understand your parable....
no one is asking you to argue ..


atonement is a vital issue .... is it good for one not to know the doctrine of his Faith concerning atonement??

enlighten us if you would

Okay, I'll break the parable down so that onto you has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom...


Anybody that has actually experienced the Atonement will not be arguing whether atonement comes from one theory or one doctrine or the other.

PastorAIO:


Okay, I'll break the parable down so that onto you has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom...


Anybody that has actually experienced the Atonement will not be arguing whether atonement comes from one theory or one doctrine or the other.

ok sir, since Faith comes by hearing God's word can you tell us the doctrine of the atonement you experienced I promise never to argue with you

Ferisidowu:


ok sir, since Faith comes by hearing God's word can you tell us the doctrine of the atonement you experienced I promise never to argue with you

I said if you've experienced it you will not be arguing about which theory it is. And you're asking me to tell you the doctrine I experienced. Are you suggesting that, like you, I have not experienced it

PastorAIO:


I said if you've experienced it you will not be arguing about which theory it is. And you're asking me to tell you the doctrine I experienced. Are you suggesting that, like you, I have not experienced it

oh sorry ... I thought I was in a conversation with a Christian lolz

this thread needs to be filtered

MsNgo40:

Analize701,
You have some knowledge of scripture.
What are your thoughts about what he has written here in light of the original topic?
I'm interested in knowing....if you don't mind.

Analize701 has been banned till 2028. Hahahahha. I will reapond anyways.

Emmanystone:

Analize701 has been banned till 2028

Ha! Wetin you do na?

Ishilove:

Ha! Wetin you do na?

I broke rule 2.