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Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Fitbillionairep: 9:21am On Jan 04
ushafe:

The developed nations achieve their goals based on government policy and regulations not religious, nigeria the difference is case, our government should be accountable for our present state as a nation not the church
This is Nigeria and not Europe, this is an underdeveloped nation and not a develop nation so we mustnt do what they are doing, also, we can start up a new trend with the church so others can follow. The money naija churches make can't be compared with other churches. Must we always copy? Let's be the first to start up developing Nigeria with the church money
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 10:32am On Jan 04
In other words, you've insufficient funds for the project.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 10:46am On Jan 04
1. But did He not go ahead before announcing it last year?
2. What go ahead is he looking for, after announcing that he will embark on the project?
3. Don't you seek for divine go ahead, before even announcing that you are embarking on a project?
4. Why embark on a project and then stop mid-way saying that you are waiting for go ahead from God?

bezimo:
Thats one thing about my father and prophet Bishop David Oyedepo. He dont embark on any project except he gets the go ahead from heaven.
Thats one of the secrets to the success of the Winners chapel International.. doing things as commanded from above.

My new dawn indeed.

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Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Nobody: 11:13am On Jan 04
ibnew:


It amazes me how we run to the Old Testament to justify thing we do. Are we still building tabanacles? Are we still building temples? Then what did christ came for. Is'nt our body now the temple of God or am i not reading the bible correctly. Doing the work of God is good any day. After penticost they went about preaching the word and setting up people (churches) not mega structures. Let us remember to also reach out to the need. Let us continue to build organizations and industries that will employ and help the need and positively affect the economy. The missionaries came to Africa to help educate including oversea scholarship and expose us when Africa was poor. They built schoola and make it affordable for our forefathers to attend. Children of peasant farmers.They could have continue to build their mega structures and may be you and I will not be where we are today.
Everything Apostle Paul ever said he justified with the Old Testament.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Nobody: 11:20am On Jan 04
Hautside:



Ofcourse there will always be the poor. Even in Jesus's days, there were poor folks(The widow with the best offering)... But, agree with me, most of the churches are profit oriented!!!! They do things, not for the masses, but to get profits!!! What happens to the expensive universities? when most of these pastors went to free missionary schools?? Dont just talk about standard or cost of maintenance here because missionary schools were the best and were maintained....We as Christians should learn to ask questions and not just follow churches the way we follow football clubs. Jesus never had a personal Donkey, He rode on a donkey for a purpose,Call it chattered but he never owned one!! Why will a pastor own 1,2,3,4 jets?? Warren Buffet who is even more busy than these pastors,never ever own a Private Jet!!!...Let me rest here!!!

I hope you know that Missionary schools were funded by governments. Up till 1950 the US was still sponsoring missionary activities so don't compare. Yale University was built by Methodist and today is a very expensive university. So yes education is expensive.

Secondly living faith owns just one jet.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Nobody: 11:24am On Jan 04
GreatrAnalyst:



Thanks @statsocial as usual.
It is funny when some individuals accuse churches for not getting rid of poverty among people.
Where exactly I should begin to lecture such people, I seem not to know, and as such, in most cases I'd rather distance myself from arguing with any.

But to hit it straight and head-on, the Owner of the church, Jesus Himself, didn't cure poverty of all the poor souls when He came.
What those people who argue in favour of the poor don't know is that, even the poor have a Scripture that 'justifies' their existence, but it is individual's choices to belong and then remain poor.
Deuteronomy 15:11 says the poor will always be in the land; God Himself said this, so anyone trying to fight the church for not making all the poor in the land rich should take the fight to God, and this same Scripture Jesus indirectly quoted saying you would always have the poor among you in John 12:8.

In Proverbs, it is said that the poor and the rich meet together, and that God made them both, not that God made them so.
It would never be possible that there won't be poor people on earth again, BUT it is always possible that you choose by yourself not to be poor or remain poor.

With all the billions in the country, why couldn't the government just share the money to everyone, so that there won't be any poor man again?
Kiyosaki painted what would happen if any government would ever do that to her citizens some years ago; he said before long, the money in the hands of those with choice or mentality of poverty will find its way back in the pocket of those who know how to attract money by offering solutions to problem.
To be poor is a state of life, to remain poor is a choice of life.

Summarily, Church can't terminate poverty in the lives of every countrymen for the reasons God alone knows according to Scriptures, but individuals have the number one choice to remain in penury. For example, that you give offering and tithe doesn't even mean you will still be very rich, there are many more laws that control riches than just giving money. Many Christians also miss it here and should blame their poverty on ignorance of how things work.
This is Amazing!
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by TheUbermensch: 11:34am On Jan 04
lastmessenger:
Good one there.lets build more and shame the devil while the other people keep bombing their place of worship

So your aim of building more is to shame the devil?! Lol
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by TheUbermensch: 11:40am On Jan 04
GreatrAnalyst:



Thanks @statsocial as usual.
It is funny when some individuals accuse churches for not getting rid of poverty among people.
Where exactly I should begin to lecture such people, I seem not to know, and as such, in most cases I'd rather distance myself from arguing with any.

But to hit it straight and head-on, the Owner of the church, Jesus Himself, didn't cure poverty of all the poor souls when He came.
What those people who argue in favour of the poor don't know is that, even the poor have a Scripture that 'justifies' their existence, but it is individual's choices to belong and then remain poor.
Deuteronomy 15:11 says the poor will always be in the land; God Himself said this, so anyone trying to fight the church for not making all the poor in the land rich should take the fight to God, and this same Scripture Jesus indirectly quoted saying you would always have the poor among you in John 12:8.

In Proverbs, it is said that the poor and the rich meet together, and that God made them both, not that God made them so.
It would never be possible that there won't be poor people on earth again, BUT it is always possible that you choose by yourself not to be poor or remain poor.

With all the billions in the country, why couldn't the government just share the money to everyone, so that there won't be any poor man again?
Kiyosaki painted what would happen if any government would ever do that to her citizens some years ago; he said before long, the money in the hands of those with choice or mentality of poverty will find its way back in the pocket of those who know how to attract money by offering solutions to problem.
To be poor is a state of life, to remain poor is a choice of life.

Summarily, Church can't terminate poverty in the lives of every countrymen for the reasons God alone knows according to Scriptures, but individuals have the number one choice to remain in penury. For example, that you give offering and tithe doesn't even mean you will still be very rich, there are many more laws that control riches than just giving money. Many Christians also miss it here and should blame their poverty on ignorance of how things work.


I think the church is spending money on rather useless things.

I see these winners people share flyers round my area. Once a woman was asked why they share flyers instead of helping people directly. Her useless reply was "these flyers would help people more" . In what way exactly?!

50billion is not small cash. They should have instead invested it in the lives of their members directly. Help some start up businesses and stuff like. That is when people would understand that God is working. Not building needless magnificent structures were only the very rich would get to sit at the fronts while the poor stay outside. It happens in Churches these days.

Jesus Christ didn't eradicate poverty, but He took care of His flock. He didn't ever set up one place of worship.

But these men of God these days just do stuff according to how they feel.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Nobody: 11:53am On Jan 04
TheUbermensch:



I think the church is spending money on rather useless things.

I see these winners people share flyers round my area. Once a woman was asked why they share flyers instead of helping people directly. Her useless reply was "these flyers would help people more" . In what way exactly?!

50billion is not small cash. They should have instead invested it in the lives of their members directly. Help some start up businesses and stuff like. That is when people would understand that God is working. Not building needless magnificent structures were only the very rich would get to sit at the fronts while the poor stay outside. It happens in Churches these days.

Jesus Christ didn't eradicate poverty, but He took care of His flock. He didn't ever set up one place of worship.

But these men of God these days just do stuff according to how they feel.

In 2015 or so, LFC allocated 500 million for their widows. Did you know about it You don't know everything about the church so let it rest.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by BluntBoy(m): 11:58am On Jan 04
seguno2:


Exactly.
Jesus Christ said that one should go into a quiet corner of his own room to pray to God instead of shouting at Him and showing off like the Pharisees.
Yet many people who claim to be Christians are behaving like the Pharisees, whom Christ castigated regularly.
Children of perdition being led by their gods of men.

Don't mind those businessmen masquarading as pastors. They are just after the money. Their ambition is to expand their business empires.

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Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by TheUbermensch: 12:04pm On Jan 04
Statsocial:

In 2015 or so, LFC allocated 500 million for their widows. Did you know about it You don't know everything about the church so let it rest.


I won't let it rest because I'm a Christian and I hate to see Church leaders act in ways Christ didn't.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by mikeweezy(m): 12:14pm On Jan 04
SalamRushdie:
Nothing can grow during a Buhari govt .
our source is not from buhari but from God who God has bless no man shall cursed not even buhari
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by bezimo(m): 1:51pm On Jan 04
KaptainAfrika:
1. But did He not go ahead before announcing it last year?
2. What go ahead is he looking for, after announcing that he will embark on the project?
3. Don't you seek for divine go ahead, before even announcing that you are embarking on a project?
4. Why embark on a project and then stop mid-way saying that you are waiting for go ahead from God?


Dont be ignorant and be ranting nonsense. The project was never started as in actual construction..we only saw a 3D design of the proposed construction project of the faith theatre as designed by covenant university students and in Bishop idea he wanted the project to start but Heaven has not given the go ahead so actual construction havent really started. How is that hard to understand. Smh.

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Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by hakeem4(m): 1:59pm On Jan 04
Nice point sir,but what is the advantage of having a big religious center to Nigeria?
GreatrAnalyst:



Thanks @statsocial as usual.
It is funny when some individuals accuse churches for not getting rid of poverty among people.
Where exactly I should begin to lecture such people, I seem not to know, and as such, in most cases I'd rather distance myself from arguing with any.

But to hit it straight and head-on, the Owner of the church, Jesus Himself, didn't cure poverty of all the poor souls when He came.
What those people who argue in favour of the poor don't know is that, even the poor have a Scripture that 'justifies' their existence, but it is individual's choices to belong and then remain poor.
Deuteronomy 15:11 says the poor will always be in the land; God Himself said this, so anyone trying to fight the church for not making all the poor in the land rich should take the fight to God, and this same Scripture Jesus indirectly quoted saying you would always have the poor among you in John 12:8.

In Proverbs, it is said that the poor and the rich meet together, and that God made them both, not that God made them so.
It would never be possible that there won't be poor people on earth again, BUT it is always possible that you choose by yourself not to be poor or remain poor.

With all the billions in the country, why couldn't the government just share the money to everyone, so that there won't be any poor man again?
Kiyosaki painted what would happen if any government would ever do that to her citizens some years ago; he said before long, the money in the hands of those with choice or mentality of poverty will find its way back in the pocket of those who know how to attract money by offering solutions to problem.
To be poor is a state of life, to remain poor is a choice of life.

Summarily, Church can't terminate poverty in the lives of every countrymen for the reasons God alone knows according to Scriptures, but individuals have the number one choice to remain in penury. For example, that you give offering and tithe doesn't even mean you will still be very rich, there are many more laws that control riches than just giving money. Many Christians also miss it here and should blame their poverty on ignorance of how things work.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 2:05pm On Jan 04
Wait a minute. Let me take a deep breath.
- When does a project start? from construction or from the plans? or from approval from the owners of the project?
- A man did a plan for a building without "divine approval"
- But the same man is saying that he is waiting for "divine approval" before construction can start.
- So who gave him permission to draw up the plan?
- Let make this simple for you. Julius Berger gets permission from government, even before they draw up a plan and the only reason they don't start construction, is because money hasn't been released. (permission-plans-permission-funding-execution)
- Does Julius Berger draw up plans, even before getting government approval and then announce that they can't start construction without government approval??
Q.E.D: Living Faith does not have funds for the project.

bezimo:


Dont be ignorant and be ranting nonsense. The project was never started as in actual construction..we only saw a 3D design of the proposed construction project of the faith theatre as designed by covenant university students and in Bishop idea he wanted the project to start but Heaven has not given the go ahead so actual construction havent really started. How is that hard to understand. Smh.

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Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Goke7: 2:37pm On Jan 04
Hautside:





Did Solomon do a"fund raising" Was he a Pastor or prophet? How many Men of God was rich in the bible? Even Jesus wan born in a manger and to a carpenter... Solomon built the temple with "his personal money" ..Till date, he is the richest man in the world!!!

If I ask you.."Why are Nigerian Pastors rich"...You will tell me that as a christian,you are entitled to the good things of life but...

Read this: Matt 19 vs 23...Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
what manner of ignorance? chai
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Goke7: 2:41pm On Jan 04
Hautside:



Ofcourse there will always be the poor. Even in Jesus's days, there were poor folks(The widow with the best offering)... But, agree with me, most of the churches are profit oriented!!!! They do things, not for the masses, but to get profits!!! What happens to the expensive universities? when most of these pastors went to free missionary schools?? Dont just talk about standard or cost of maintenance here because missionary schools were the best and were maintained....We as Christians should learn to ask questions and not just follow churches the way we follow football clubs. Jesus never had a personal Donkey, He rode on a donkey for a purpose,Call it chattered but he never owned one!! Why will a pastor own 1,2,3,4 jets?? Warren Buffet who is even more busy than these pastors,never ever own a Private Jet!!!...Let me rest here!!!


Pastors will continue to be rich and there is nothing you can do about it. Why? Because they solve problems and only problem solvers become rich in today's world
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Goke7: 2:49pm On Jan 04
Iamzik:


And when the church population exceed 100,000 then what? Abandon the stadium and start a bigger building?

You guys love quoting that "poor will always be in the land " ish

Didn't you read about the early church? What was the rational behind people selling their stuff and bringing the money to meet the need of others?

Why were 7 Deacons appointed? Was it not to see to members welfare? So why have our church leaders downplayed that all important aspect? The bible said they were in one accord. There was love. Inequality was greatly reduced. They became the envy of the world and the church grew. How many cathedrals did Peter and Paul build? They practically ran house fellowships and shared their things in common.

I understand the urge to possess the earth but brother let's face the truth. The time of building mighty cathedrals is gone. Now is time to build and invest in people .

Shalom
Are you aware of what churches are doing for the welfare of the society? Do you know what a church like House on the Rock has been doing for public schools in Lagos state over the years? Do you know what they have been doing for prisoners in Lagos prisons?

You guys come online to express your damn ignorance, don't blame you people. It's the churches I blame for not publicizing all the welfare programs they do out there for you guys to shut your mouths. Common politicians will throw indomie on the streets for poeple and get all the publicity but when churches do their welfare programs, even the journalists deny them fair coverage. Nonsense.

The most well run professional football club In Nigeria that don't owe players salaries is owned by the church-MFM. No one commends them for that, it's all abuses and insults where rich states like Rivers state don't pay at all. smh
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by bezimo(m): 3:23pm On Jan 04
KaptainAfrika:
Wait a minute. Let me take a deep breath.
- When does a project start? from construction or from the plans? or from approval from the owners of the project?
- A man did a plan for a building without "divine approval"
- But the same man is saying that he is waiting for "divine approval" before construction can start.
- So who gave him permission to draw up the plan?
- Let make this simple for you. Julius Berger gets permission from government, even before they draw up a plan and the only reason they don't start construction, is because money hasn't been released. (permission-plans-permission-funding-execution)
- Does Julius Berger draw up plans, even before getting government approval and then announce that they can't start construction without government approval??
Q.E.D: Living Faith does not have funds for the project.

You can argue with yourself.. it doesn't change the fact that, God said the project should wait for now and Bishop simply obeyed. Your garbage opinion notwithstanding. Smh.
You are funny.. You mean the arguably one of the richest churches in the world don't have funds for that project... Now I know you really don't know anything at all.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 4:29pm On Jan 04
Just read what you just wrote. The omnipotent God who sends His word and it does not return to Him without accomplishing it, has decided to break with His character by asking Oyedepo - to pause on a project He had given him permission to embark on, maybe God is looking for counterpart funding to complete the project, God forbid. This is Oyedepo's albatross and he does not have the money to start.
The richest church in the world, according to you by virtue of what they have in their bank accounts?
I don't blame you materialist, when the only reason you became a Christian was the promise of wealth and health.

bezimo:

You can argue with yourself.. it doesn't change the fact that, God said the project should wait for now and Bishop simply obeyed. Your garbage opinion notwithstanding. Smh.
You are funny.. You mean the arguably one of the richest churches in the world don't have funds for that project... Now I know you really don't know anything at all.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 4:32pm On Jan 04
LOOOL Your idol is about to undo himself! a 50 billion naira building...go and learn of prosperity preachers that met their downfall, embarking on gigantic edifices to their pride.

bezimo:

You can argue with yourself.. it doesn't change the fact that, God said the project should wait for now and Bishop simply obeyed. Your garbage opinion notwithstanding. Smh.
You are funny.. You mean the arguably one of the richest churches in the world don't have funds for that project... Now I know you really don't know anything at all.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by lexy2014: 5:13pm On Jan 04
GreatrAnalyst:



I appreciate the fact that you didn't go personal and calling names.
This you should note, I am not speaking for any man of God, neither am I defending any.

That said.
If there is anything quite easy to do, it is to criticise. You would agree with me.
Looking at some questions holistically,
Was Jesus criticized for his approach to ministry, not doing it the way of John the Baptist?
Yeah, very well criticized, what I would want you hold on to today is, regardless of how you run a ministry if you are a Pastor, there will always be some folks who feel some things you are doing are wrong. Take it or leave it.
But before you condemn, how sure are you that building those cathedrals you mentioned was not a divine instruction given to them?So why acting as if you are always in the know of divine instructions given to them.As much as I knew of Faith Tabernacle for instance, the prophecy for it came when there was not even a gathering of church numbering up to 15,000 congregation anywhere in this part of the world, nor when the church could build a 10,000 capacity. Would it not be unwise to think then that some men of God (not all) are building big churches because they want to show off?
What informed your assertion that some ministries are not investing in people or impacting lives? So from your 1,000 kilometers away, you quite know much how very un-impactful they are to people? I don't think there is any single ministry, either secular or religion that can meet the needs of all though, yet to think that they are not building people is ridiculous.


The truth is, there is more to what God could do than what foremost Apostles did. It would be very parochial to think that because Apostles didn't build big buildings you called 'cathedral', that it is a self-sponsored endeavour when few ones are doing it today. Even the Apostles were criticized and fought. Your criticism can't be the standard for knowing what is erroneous or outlandish.

We could have as well called all the men of God today dissenters, because they founded different denominations, after all, Apostles never started denomination thing!

Don't get me wrong, there are many so-called Pastors in errors, but there are also many who don't do things except God tells them to do it.

This you should know: become a leader, a coach, a pastor or a frontliner today and see if someone out there wouldn't tell you what you are doing wrong and how he can do it better than you.
Nobody anywhere has ever succeeded in pleasing everybody at same time.
if u say d guy wasn't in d know when "divine instruction" was given 2 them, does that mean u were in d no?were u also there when they got their "calling"?
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by bezimo(m): 6:23pm On Jan 04
KaptainAfrika:
Just read what you just wrote. The omnipotent God who sends His word and it does not return to Him without accomplishing it, has decided to break with His character by asking Oyedepo - to pause on a project He had given him permission to embark on, maybe God is looking for counterpart funding to complete the project, God forbid. This is Oyedepo's albatross and he does not have the money to start.
The richest church in the world, according to you by virtue of what they have in their bank accounts?
I don't blame you materialist, when the only reason you became a Christian was the promise of wealth and health.


Get lost with your garbage opinion.. Hypocrite!!
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by bezimo(m): 6:25pm On Jan 04
KaptainAfrika:
LOOOL Your idol is about to undo himself! a 50 billion naira building...go and learn of prosperity preachers that met their downfall, embarking on gigantic edifices to their pride.


Whatever, its not your business whether My Prophet engages on the project or not. So keep your garbage opinion in the dustbin were it belongs.Nonsense
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 8:15pm On Jan 04
LOL! You mean your god, that you worship. I am sure you have his picture in your home. Do you see him in your dreams too? do you shout the god of oyedepo also? Prophet that went ahead to do a project, got stuck financially and is now claiming that he is waiting for God's approval...lwkmd! You know what? come and borrow money from Dangote, he was blessed by oyedepo's mentor - Idahosa, maybe he can help cheesy.

bezimo:


Whatever, its not your business whether My Prophet engages on the project or not. So keep your garbage opinion in the dustbin were it belongs.Nonsense
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by KaptainAfrika: 8:18pm On Jan 04
Whatever makes you feel better. I am sure Dangote is a man that respects Oyedepo, considering the fact that it was Oyedepo's mentor Idahosa that prayed for him and made him wealthy, maybe Dangote can help out...you know as they say, one good turn deserves another.
bezimo:


Get lost with your garbage opinion.. Hypocrite!!
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by kress2m1: 9:00pm On Jan 04
Daddy Freeze, we must give you thanks for the reduction in the flow of tithes to fund this ego trip.
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Hautside(m): 9:33pm On Jan 04
Goke7:


Pastors will continue to be rich and there is nothing you can do about it. Why? Because they solve problems and only problem solvers become rich in today's world

They dont solve problems. God does. Very soon, we shall all know the truth and the truth shall set us free. Let them keep enriching their pockets. There is time for everything
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Hautside(m): 9:55pm On Jan 04
Statsocial:

I hope you know that Missionary schools were funded by governments. Up till 1950 the US was still sponsoring missionary activities so don't compare. Yale University was built by Methodist and today is a very expensive university. So yes education is expensive.

Secondly living faith owns just one jet.

Missionary schools in Nigeria were sponsored by Missionaries.. Get the facts...Mission schools, which since the 1800s offered free or low-cost education to the majority of Nigeria's youth, were nationalized after the West African nation's civil war ended in 1970 in an attempt to defuse tribalism

The government had to take charge of these schools later.

Moreso, Living faith doesnt have only 1 jet maybe her pastor has. Thank you
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Iamzik: 10:02pm On Jan 04
Goke7:

Are you aware of what churches are doing for the welfare of the society? Do you know what a church like House on the Rock has been doing for public schools in Lagos state over the years? Do you know what they have been doing for prisoners in Lagos prisons?

You guys come online to express your damn ignorance, don't blame you people. It's the churches I blame for not publicizing all the welfare programs they do out there for you guys to shut your mouths. Common politicians will throw indomie on the streets for poeple and get all the publicity but when churches do their welfare programs, even the journalists deny them fair coverage. Nonsense.

The most well run professional football club In Nigeria that don't owe players salaries is owned by the church-MFM. No one commends them for that, it's all abuses and insults where rich states like Rivers state don't pay at all. smh

Bros stop directing people to criticize government.
Even In the says of the early church there was human government and it fell short of expectations. God did not create human beings to be ruled by fellow humans and there will never be a perfect human government.

That the church is able to manage better schools and football club should tell you that the church is capable of doing far greater things given it's potential and resources.

All you listed above is a drop of water in the mighty ocean. The apostles didn't need the press to cover and publicize their giving ministry. It was real and the people spread it by word of mouth (most powerful channel) while preaching the gospel.

Bros the church is sitting on billions and I have had access to information to confirm this point.
If we believe that this world is vanity and we are mindful of eternity then why have we allowed materialism to engulf the church this much?

Do you think a bokoharam or ISIS member is concerned about building cathedrals and flying jets? All he wants Is to spread his ideology. How much more we who should be heavenly minded?

God did not create poverty. Human beings do when they refuse to share and redistribute wealth. And the church is in the best position to do that as exemplified by the early church

Practical love within the local church is the fastest way to win those souls not building mighty cathedrals.
The church organizations encourage members to give endlessly and then keep a large chunk of what is given. Why cant the church practice what she preaches? OR is there no more blessing in giving?

And before you claim people are attacking the church you need to realize that the church of Christ universal is a superset of your local church organizations/denominations led by your GO. The church is bigger than you think.

Almost all our GOs attended mission schools tuition free and then suddenly realize now that education is expensive. Who payed for their's? Was it not missionary bodies funded by Christians in Europe? Why can't these local churches do thesame? They didn't have to fast to get admission yet prescribe fasting for youngsters seeking admission today.

Bros the gospel is practical love that leads to Salvation. The earlier church organizations change strategy the better

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Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by Iamzik: 10:14pm On Jan 04
GreatrAnalyst:



I appreciate the fact that you didn't go personal and calling names.
This you should note, I am not speaking for any man of God, neither am I defending any.

That said.
If there is anything quite easy to do, it is to criticise. You would agree with me.
Looking at some questions holistically,
Was Jesus criticized for his approach to ministry, not doing it the way of John the Baptist?
Yeah, very well criticized, what I would want you hold on to today is, regardless of how you run a ministry if you are a Pastor, there will always be some folks who feel some things you are doing are wrong. Take it or leave it.
But before you condemn, how sure are you that building those cathedrals you mentioned was not a divine instruction given to them? So why acting as if you are always in the know of divine instructions given to them. You have not always been there when they have their callings. As much as I knew of Faith Tabernacle for instance, the prophecy for it came when there was not even a gathering of church numbering up to 15,000 congregation anywhere in this part of the world, nor when the church could build a 10,000 capacity. Would it not be unwise to think then that some men of God (not all) are building big churches because they want to show off?
What informed your assertion that some ministries are not investing in people or impacting lives? So from your 1,000 kilometers away, you quite know much how very un-impactful they are to people? I don't think there is any single ministry, either secular or religion that can meet the needs of all though, yet to think that they are not building people is ridiculous.


The truth is, there is more to what God could do than what foremost Apostles did. It would be very parochial to think that because Apostles didn't build big buildings you called 'cathedral', that it is a self-sponsored endeavour when few ones are doing it today. Even the Apostles were criticized and fought. Your criticism can't be the standard for knowing what is erroneous or outlandish.

We could have as well called all the men of God today dissenters, because they founded different denominations, after all, Apostles never started denomination thing!

Don't get me wrong, there are many so-called Pastors in errors, but there are also many who don't do things except God tells them to do it.

This you should know: become a leader, a coach, a pastor or a frontliner today and see if someone out there wouldn't tell you what you are doing wrong and how he can do it better than you.
Nobody anywhere has ever succeeded in pleasing everybody at same time.

Bros even in your defense of the present denominational systems, you have also mentioned that there is lot that is being done that is not in line with written account of the early church.

Understand that the church of Christ is not your denominational church organization led by your GO.

Read Acts 1-3 account of the early church and you will agree that there is great disparity compare to our church denominations of today. Question is Why can't we practice it the way the apostles did it then?

OR do we now know more than the apostles who heard directly from Jesus?

If they received no offerings, no tithes, built no mighty cathedrals or amass unending wealth or ask people to sow money seeds and yet they could raise the dead, open blind eyes and make the dead hear then surely there is something wrong with this our generation that does all of the above without practical manifestation of the Apostolic anointing
Re: Living Faith Church Temporarily Puts N50 Billion Faith Theatre Project On Hold by bezimo(m): 11:20pm On Jan 04
KaptainAfrika:
Whatever makes you feel better. I am sure Dangote is a man that respects Oyedepo, considering the fact that it was Oyedepo's mentor Idahosa that prayed for him and made him wealthy, maybe Dangote can help out...you know as they say, one good turn deserves another.

When you have nothing reasonable and sensible to say please shut up, instead of making a caricature of yourself and advertising how lame your level of reasoning is. Go find your mate to talk with..I ain't got your time. smh.

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