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|History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 10:00pm On Jan 03|
Note: The below is verbatim copy from Wikipedia. This thread is aimed at educating people about how Muslims come to be a part of the city's history and make up, and how impossible and unfair it is to try to annihilate from a city they have been a part of, developed and maintained for 1400 years. It is also noteworthy that it Muslims more than other people that gave the inhabitants the freedom to practice their faith and law the way they liked. It was Muslim leadership that allowed and even encouraged the Jews exiled by oppressive regimes to return to the city on many occasions. Both times that Muslims captured the were bloodless, and they end with guaranteed religious freedom and tolerance to the extent that even non-Muslims yearned for the return to Muslim after the city was pillaged by the barbaric crusaders.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 10:06pm On Jan 03|
Nobody is saying Jerusalem belongs to the Muslims alone, but to make accessible and conducive for Christians Jews an Muslims alike. Just like how the Muslim leadership had been doing for 1400 years; and more importantly how UN had instructed as guidelines, during the creation of the state of Israel in 1946.
Now compare the above scenario with European arrival to the Americas only 600years ago.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Pierohandsome: 10:20pm On Jan 03|
So how does Jerusalem belong to the muslims? Jerusalem belonged to the Jews which muslims besieged and took over the city frm the original owners and now ,the owners collected it back and announced the place their capital and they started shouting that it belongs to them.
Una no serious
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 10:33pm On Jan 03|
Pierohandsome:Oga if you know how history works you should know that you cant claim something lost for centuries. If that's the rule even Jews don't own Jerusalem. And besides Muslims never claimed the sole ownership of the city even as far back as when they took the city for the first time.
The white Americans arrived there less than 600 years ago, how ridiculous do you think it'd sound if the native Americans now try to claim their ancestral sites that have now being converted to night clubs and Walmart?
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by yanshDoctor: 11:11pm On Jan 03|
EazyMoh:when the Muslims were attacking the Arab tribe, Rome didn't do anything and was not interested in the Arabs.
it was when they attack Jerusalem, they killed the Jews on sabbath day. the Rome set up the crusader to retook Jerusalem back because they saw it as the holy city and embarrassing in the hands of Muslims. when the crusader retook the town they where not interested to stay there and only stay for few time before they left.
by that time the Jews were scattered allover Europe many was not interested to go back for fear of their life's. the land because deserted before the philistine settled there. when they were crisis in Europe the UK brought Jews back to Israel.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Pierohandsome: 11:27pm On Jan 03|
EazyMoh:it can be claimed if there is a boundary proximity. If i choose not to claim my property lost years ago it is my choice, if i stil choose to claim it is my right
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 11:28pm On Jan 03|
Even UN 1946 that literally created Israel that Jerusalem should belong to neither Israel nor the Arabs.
Check out land grabbing scale of Israel over the decades.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 11:50pm On Jan 03|
Pierohandsome:Do you have a receipt? Most of the lands were voluntarily sold, and others simply converted other religions thereby making them appear non Jewish.
By the way the most important claim the Zionists have to the land is the birth certificate issued to Israel in 1946. But they violate the conditions of the resolutions serially, blatantly and arrogantly. Instead they kill civilians at will, and have been illegally occupying lands outside what was given to them.
If there is any justice in the world this shouldn't be allowed nor tolerated.
Anyway the aim of this thread is to highlight the civilized and just manner Muslims treated people of the city when they had the upper hand even as far back as the 7th century.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by plainbibletruth: 11:56pm On Jan 03|
Historically did the Palestinians ever have a nation under which they ruled themselves as a national entity or are talking about Arab settlers who are now in recent times desiring a place of their own?
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 12:08am On Jan 04|
Upon say I wasted time to copy the above, you still wouldn't read.
The siege is clearly explained to be bloodless yet you are claiming they killed Jews.
In the Aftermath of each Muslim take over of the city both Christians and Jews always troop back to the city to enjoy religious freedom and liberty under Muslim rule. Especially after th destruction by the crusaders.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 12:10am On Jan 04|
plainbibletruth:How is this question relevant?
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by tartar9(m): 5:08am On Jan 04|
yanshDoctor:Just keep desecrating history with your lies.
Oga do you know when Jerusalem was conquered by the Muslims and when it was conquered by the crusaders with the centuries that lay between?
Do you think Jerusalem was a Jewish city or even had Jewish inhabitants upon the Muslim conquest?
Do you know what the Muslims did for the Jews when they conquered Jerusalem as compared to what the crusaders did to the Jews when they conquered the city?
Do you say that the crusaders willfully left Jerusalem?
In short,are you people possessed by a lying spirit or what?
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Pierohandsome: 8:27am On Jan 04|
EazyMoh:if u take over my land and treat me well, that does not in anyway nullify the fact that the place belonged to me and u overtook it frm me.
As for if they Have receipt, do the muslims too have receipt that it is their land? This is a game of power, if u have receipt of what u robbed frm me, if i have power to take it back i wil take it back and that is what Isreal did
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 11:07am On Jan 04|
Pierohandsome:That is it go through history, nowhere did the Arabs ever robbed people of their lands. They bought and paid for everything and they also have receipts.
So you can't come back to demand for something your forefathers willingly sold.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Pierohandsome: 11:47am On Jan 04|
EazyMoh:there was no historical fact that the land in which Palestines occupied in Jerusalem was bought, those land were forcefully taken over by them, even the history u posted depicted that fact. Jews were killed in hundreds, siege laid on Jerusalem and hijacked the place Centuries ago. Isrealites were displaced frm their land by this maurading and radical islamists reduced a whole nation of Isreal into a non existent entity until a small portion was later aportioned to them again as a nation by United Nations in 1948.
Now the fowl has come home to roost, they stood like gallant men and fought the whole Arab nations and finished them in 6 days, now they harnessed their stregnth and annexed their boundary and recovered all that the arabs stole frm them and the whole world now started protesting. Whn the whole arab nation invaded that small Isreali nation, why didnt the UN condemn it and sanction the intruders? If Isreal didnt rise to finish off all of them , Isreal as a people and nation would have been wiped off and their entire land possessed and nobody wil say anything.
As of 70 -80 years ago, the Jews were left with only 650 people. Who killed the rest of them? The Arab nations!
Now that the parole changed gear, everybody is shouting. Isreal had been Long oppressed until now b4 nw.
They can cry all they want, Isreal is ready for the so-called religion of peace but oppressive in Nature, that was the same thing they did in Turkey ,killed the whole christian and overtook the whole nation and turned it to an islamic caliphate today.
Jerusalem today is Isreali capital ,and nothing can reverse it
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 12:05pm On Jan 04|
Pierohandsome:Repeating a lie hundred times doesn't make it truth.
Show where and when Muslims attacked Jerusalem and killed one person! In fact except for creation of Israel by UN, Muslim arrival in Jerusalem is the best thing that ever happened to the Jews!
A passage is there above where the caliph declined to patsy in a church because he didn't want Muslims to want to forcefully convert it to a Mosque.
So in your argument now native Americans/red Indians have the right to start annexing lands now owned by white Americans?
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Pierohandsome: 1:42pm On Jan 04|
EazyMoh:u are the one spreading lies. Go back to history and tell me any nation whr islam is that was invaded peacefully? Tel that to children. How did the muslims take over Jerusalem without killing, is it possible to take over another man's territory without over powering the occupants? The same thing boko haram is doing in north east today jst to establish a caliphate is same thing muslims have been doing since the birth of islam. Tell me any nation muslims invaded peacefully? Islam is a violent religion that dnt understand the meaning of peace, That was how North and some states in West was invaded by Usman danfodio but couldnt conquer East and South ,that is why those regions remain Christians.
51 years ago, Turkey was a christian nation, but today they are 99.9 Muslims after killing the whole christians.
So hw did they took over Jerusalem peacefully? U are talking to children abi? U think if Isreal can be conquered they wouldnt have started invading them again, they knw who is who and that is why they hired u to distort fact to win simpathy. That is the worst they can do-shout.
Let the whole Muslim nation cough near that territory, and see what Isreal wil do to u guys
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 2:03pm On Jan 04|
Pierohandsome:The your answer of the bolded in the OP.
Repeating this age long campaign of columny against Muslims will not hold water. I just gave you an account of Muslim conquest of Jerusalem which was clearly bloodless and you are here repeating baseless lies.
OK can you give us a contrary account of that first siege with your sources other than your biased and false opinion?
We are talking Muslim o not barbaric Crusaders nor Roman/Bazantyne/Saasanid empires.
Lalasticlala seun may we have fp audience may be we could have enlightened opinions.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 2:24pm On Jan 04|
tartar9:Don't mind these ignorant folks down here. See how confidently he keeps dishing out lies shamelessly.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Pierohandsome: 3:18pm On Jan 04|
EazyMoh:every of ur submission as regards the first siege are twisted facts , common sense will tell anyone that nobody takes over a territory of another without the use of force and blood shed not evn the colonial masters. The illustration of present day happenings in north east is a pointer to and fact ,nothing like campaign of calumnly.
Dispute the fact , this is what is happening presently. Maybe in another century, the facts wil also be distorted and telling our great grand children that boko haram, isis, talibans etc were establishing caliphates peacefully.
Evn at that, Jerusalem never belonged to muslims but the Isrealis. Argue it frm here til tommorw that is a fact
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 4:37pm On Jan 04|
Pierohandsome:Bros you are not the type I wanted to engage here, no offense. You defend your arguments entirely based on sentiments and your belief in repeated propaganda. Didn't you read they Muslim army decided to wait for months outside the city gate instead of launching an attack?
W rare talking about siege of Jerusalem you are talking of Boko Haram, focus on the subject.
Since I have a twisted version from Wikipedia why not give us the unbiased version from another source. After all it was an invent involving the three major religions.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by skumy(m): 5:29pm On Jan 05|
EazyMoh:why would they lay siege in another man's territory in d first instance if not to claim their land are you telling me you are justified to come and lock me inside my house for months without food and u think i ll survive..surely i ll surrender d house for my family's sake with d hope that one day my children's children guided by history and are powerful enough will claim back their lost house at the right time
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 8:48pm On Jan 05|
skumy:You got it wrong! They weren't there to claim your land, thru were only there to evangelize the message of Islam. If you like you accept otherwise you don't.
In the beginning Caliphs even forbid the conquering zamu slim forces from acquiring land, it was during Caliph Uthman that the Muslims were allowed to purchase land and property from the locals.
So your analogy is wrong.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Emmanystone: 10:49pm On Jan 05|
tartar9:Oga, make una go collect the land mae we see.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by tartar9(m): 11:23pm On Jan 05|
Emmanystone:Who's talking about collecting land
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Emmanystone: 11:09am On Jan 06|
tartar9:What is Islam after, isn't it Jewish land and Heritage they are after? Stealing from the Jews since Hagar.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by JesusPeople: 12:07pm On Jan 06|
its funny that, there are many mosques in Jerusalem which is a Christian state, while on the other hand, for the sake of peace, Muslims won't give Christians a small site to build a Church, all in the name of peace.
Where is the peace when you don't respect my believe but you are ready to kill me if I challenge your believes.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by tartar9(m): 12:24am On Jan 07|
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by EazyMoh(m): 2:43pm On Jan 08|
JesusPeople:Who told you Jerusalem is a Christian state? Did you know there are 7 times more Muslims than Christians in the city?
Every country has its own rules, some countries ban use of Hijab, others do not recognize polygamy. And so on. If you can't obey there rules, don't go there.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by true2god: 8:36pm On Jan 08|
EazyMoh:Mr Arab slave master, the race that started the wholesale conquest of other races are the Arabs under the Islamic khalifah. This is a well documented historical facts. The khalifa, after the death of Mohammed, took genocide and plundering to the next level, all sanctioned by allahh in the Qur'an and the hadith. The entire north Africa were not Arabs, but were conquered by the Arabs, and today Arabs remain their masters. Syrians, Persians and Sudanese are not Arabs but today they have technically been arabized as a result of years of war and enslavement.
Hitler is a learner when compared to Muslim Arab invaders. Hitler was defeated but the khalifas won most of their plundering wars. Ask the Spaniards how Spain was when the moors ruled Spain. How did the Islamic moors conquered Spain? This is my second semester test for you in my course HIST 313.
Do your research well so that you don't come here disgrace yourself.
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by true2god: 8:58pm On Jan 08|
EazyMoh:So the khalifa were distributing sweet and chocolate at every territory they entered? Even kindergarten children will not accept your claim.
The hadith below betray your falsehood:
SAHIH BUKHARI, VOL 4 CHAPTER 88:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "MY LIVELIHOOD IS UNDER THE SHADE OF MY SPEAR, FROM WAR BOOTY, AND HE WHO DISOBEYS MY ORDERS WILL BE HUMILIATED BY PAYING JIZYA TAX."
Muslims have been living on other people's sweat from time immemorial. What is the occupation of Allah's apostle and his sahabas? What is the means of livelihood of the khalifas who went about dislodging people of their lands and properties?
|Re: History: Muslim Siege Of Jerusalem Part 1 by Bethor: 9:39pm On Jan 08|
@ OP...taking your history from.Wikipedia is where you got it wrong..Anybody even a drunk can write history as it suit him and put it in Wikipedia..
If you are basing your argument on what you read from wikipedia..then I'm sorry for you...my advice to you is go back and do proper search on history as regard Jerusalem and all her wars...
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